What would LeBron James have to do for you to personally consider him the GOAT?

[davidkimchi]

Some of you already have him as the GOAT. Some have him as 2nd place. Some top 5.

What does LeBron have to do for you to consider him the GOAT

[Spurs m8]

Nothing, that ship has already sailed

Too many blemishes, failures..even with the team hopping and colluding

His level of play just never even peaked to GOAT level either...

[davidkimchi]

Nothing, that ship has already sailed

Too many blemishes, failures..even with the team hopping and colluding

His level of play just never even peaked to GOAT level either...

What if hypothetically, he wins another 5 rings in a row, break Kareem's record, scores another 100 triple double

[Bawkish]

What if hypothetically, he wins another 5 rings in a row, break Kareem's record, scores another 100 triple double

yeah, in another multiverse perhaps

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Bron will have a GOAT case by the time he's retired. Quite a few will even give him that status after passing KAJ in points.

When its all said and done, though, Mike probably remains the consensus. Better peak and prime imo.

[John8204]

Play another 10 years at the level he's at right now.

[Full Court]

Win three more legit FMVPs.

[Baller789]

Play another 10 years at the level he's at right now.

You mean play another 10 years playing no D and keep being a lottery team?

[Jasper]

win 2 more chips

[Full Court]

more? for it to be more he would need at least 1 already

To be fair, he's had some great finals series to go along with his chokes (ala 2011). If he passes up Jordan in FMVPs, he would at least have a legit case for GOAT. I mean, the chances of that happening are less than slim to none, so as far as I'm concerned, the GOAT ship has sailed, but in my mind, that's what it would take.

[90sgoat]

A million dollars and I will lie for Lebron.

[mr4speed]

Nothing, that ship has already sailed

Too many blemishes, failures..even with the team hopping and colluding

His level of play just never even peaked to GOAT level either...

And for me the self proclamation "that right there made me the greatest of all time". True greatness is what others bestow upon someone else.

[zeerghit]

erase 2011

[RogueBorg]

Nothing.
1. Too many disappearances at the end of crucial games.
2. Too afraid to go to the basket to get fouled because he knows he's a bad free throw shooter.
3. When the shot clock is winding down he is not the guy that his teammates go to when they need a bucket.
4. Hiding in the corner wanting nothing to do with the basketball while Kyrie has to do it himself for Cleveland to win the championship.
5. Has to ask for respect.
6. "Not one, not two, not three, not four...." turning into a colossal failure.
7. "Playoff mode activate" quote turns into a colossal failure.
8. 2011
9. 2021 - Had 4 future Hall of Fame teammates and couldn't make the 10th seed.
10. Kobe, Deron Williams, and Melo have to get on Lebron at the end of the All-Star Game because he passed up the final shot *see number 1.
11. 4/10
12. No league MVP's after turning 30
13. No 1st-Team All-Defensive Teams after turning 30
14. Silver Medals embarrassing all of America on the World stage.
15. -86
16. In 20 seasons was only able to league the league in any statistical category...twice

[zeerghit]

Nothing.
1. Too many disappearances at the end of crucial games.
2. Too afraid to go to the basket to get fouled because he knows he's a bad free throw shooter.
3. When the shot clock is winding down he is not the guy that his teammates go to when they need a bucket.
4. Hiding in the corner wanting nothing to do with the basketball while Kyrie has to do it himself for Cleveland to win the championship.
5. Has to ask for respect.
6. "Not one, not two, not three, not four...." turning into a colossal failure.
7. "Playoff mode activate" quote turns into a colossal failure.
8. 2011
9. 2021 - Had 4 future Hall of Fame teammates and couldn't make the 10th seed.
10. Kobe, Deron Williams, and Melo have to get on Lebron at the end of the All-Star Game because he passed up the final shot *see number 1.
11. 4/10
12. No league MVP's after turning 30
13. No 1st-Team All-Defensive Teams after turning 30
14. Silver Medals embarrassing all of America on the World stage.
15. -86
16. In 20 seasons was only able to league the league in any statistical category...twice
u got one right, progressive

[8Ball]

He already passed Jordan.

40 000 points
20 all-nba teams
4 mvps
4 rings

Would be the nail in the coffin.

[GrayGoat]

LeBron has already passed MJ and is widening the gap

[Airupthere]

None at this point. He's not the guy. When the next guy comes, it will be clear and self-evident. Not forced by the media, stans, and self-aggrandizing bs.

[red1]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3AfIvJBcGo



https://i.ibb.co/yp0dcK9/Screen-Shot-2023-01-05-at-10-01-42-AM.png

so that's 4 gold medals and 6 silver medals. not a bad turnout.


facts are facts.


underdog in 7 of 10 finals. vegas odds.

only finals MVP in NBA history over a 70+ win team


played the spurs and warriors a combined a 7 times including some of the most lopsided odds in NBA history.


vegas never lies. look at the talent on both teams and spread for the 2007 spurs vs the 2007 cavaliers or the 2018 cavaliers vs the 2018 warriors. just lbj doing prime lbj things, carrying teams that had no business being there to the NBA finals.

[red1]

the same morons that complain about buh buh dwade buh kyrie and AD buh buh getting carried by all superstars


will never mention that all of those players had injury issues with lbj going up against healthy stacked teams....

[dankok8]

I've answered this a hundred times but here we go...

Lebron isn't quite as good as Jordan when comparing them in their primes but he can pass Jordan by having a better career... If Lebron manages to win more rings as the best player that improves his case rather significantly. With four rings he's the clear underdog, with five he's much closer, with six he passes him and with seven or more he's well clear. Right now he's behind MJ in rings, FMVP's, MVP's, scoring titles, DPOY's, all-defensive selections. Almost all major accolades he's behind. Most career points is nice but at best it's equal to one major accomplishment. Kareem's always had more career points and never considered better than Jordan by even a plurality of people.

[red1]

he's already 1a 1b status right now. so he'd just have to roll out of bed and take a shit, and that might put him over the edge as undisputed 1a.


40k points will be overkill

[red1]

the problem is his 4 "golds" aren't worth a damn due to lockouts, bail outs, bubble and suspensions. I would even let the colluding slide if he could turn those 6 losses into wins just to get 6 REAL titles

the hometown 2016 ring is the infinity war gauntlet gold medal ring

worth 5 rings



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EXm_Z1HXgAU589F.jpg

[Spurs m8]

A million dollars and I will lie for Lebron.

:roll:

Meanwhile he pays the corporation/and1allday/etc.... 5 cents a post to lie about him

[red1]

thats the only finals MVP over a 70-win team in NBA history and it broke a 52-year cleveland sports drought and fulfilled the hype.

got the one that matters. the other rings are just gravy.

sports fans wont care about "buh buh dray suspension" "buh buh kyrie is a good player too." thats like complaining about the byron russell push.





https://i.ytimg.com/vi/X0XoliwhSAk/maxresdefault.jpg

[red1]

:roll:

Meanwhile he pays the corporation/and1allday/etc.... 5 cents a post to lie about him

dude you have 22k posts about lebron...


your post history has more than double the posts about lebron than any other player or subject...

[Full Court]

do you know what the words collusion, lockout, bail out, bubble, suspension mean


good finals or not the guy cheated/rigged/manipulated his way to those trophies in fake seasons with teammates saving his legacy multiple times

Lol. You do realize that you have Lebron ranked higher than I do, right?

[red1]

he literally tampered to get love trading Wiggins before eligible

then colluded by calling Adam silver to get draymond suspended


got bailed out by kyrie in game 7

got outscored by double before the first 3 cavs wins became blow outs

lebron padded garbage time stats to win finals mvp


it's a horrible title. what was with curry fouling out on touch fouls in game 6


and iggy and bogus were injured


it's a total shit show. who did they even beat to make the finals that year? does anyone even remember?


who had the better big 3?


kyrie out performed curry ffs

kyrie was amazing no doubt. lebron was still the best player in the series.


it's over. kerr himself at the end of those 4 finals (2015-2018), kerr himself put lebron over durant and curry those years they were facing off.


he said the only two players he'd ever seen playing at the level lebron at during that run- the only two players he'd seen on that level were michael and lebron.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MG8wjJNdf4&t=1s&ab_channel=ESPN


it's over.



best player each year of the decade:


2011 dirk
2012 lebron
2013 lebron
2014 lebron
2015 lebron
2016 lebron
2017 lebron
2018 lebron
2019 kawhi
2020 lebron


dominated the entire decade :oldlol:

[Spurs m8]

Nothing.
1. Too many disappearances at the end of crucial games.
2. Too afraid to go to the basket to get fouled because he knows he's a bad free throw shooter.
3. When the shot clock is winding down he is not the guy that his teammates go to when they need a bucket.
4. Hiding in the corner wanting nothing to do with the basketball while Kyrie has to do it himself for Cleveland to win the championship.
5. Has to ask for respect.
6. "Not one, not two, not three, not four...." turning into a colossal failure.
7. "Playoff mode activate" quote turns into a colossal failure.
8. 2011
9. 2021 - Had 4 future Hall of Fame teammates and couldn't make the 10th seed.
10. Kobe, Deron Williams, and Melo have to get on Lebron at the end of the All-Star Game because he passed up the final shot *see number 1.
11. 4/10
12. No league MVP's after turning 30
13. No 1st-Team All-Defensive Teams after turning 30
14. Silver Medals embarrassing all of America on the World stage.
15. -86
16. In 20 seasons was only able to league the league in any statistical category...twice

:applause::applause::applause:

[kawhileonard2]

Some of you already have him as the GOAT. Some have him as 2nd place. Some top 5.

What does LeBron have to do for you to consider him the GOAT

Not lose with HCA and win only gold medals and turn an organization that never won into a dynasty.

[RogueBorg]

kyrie was amazing no doubt. lebron was still the best player in the series.


it's over. kerr himself at the end of those 4 finals (2015-2018), kerr himself put lebron over durant and curry those years they were facing off.


he said the only two players he'd ever seen playing at the level lebron at during that run- the only two players he'd seen on that level were michael and lebron.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MG8wjJNdf4&t=1s&ab_channel=ESPN


it's over.



best player each year of the decade:


2011 dirk
2012 lebron
2013 lebron
2014 lebron
2015 lebron
2016 lebron
2017 lebron
2018 lebron
2019 kawhi
2020 lebron


dominated the entire decade :oldlol:

Lebron hid in the corner acting like the ball had Covid while Kyrie hit the GW shot over Curry in 2016.

[LeGoat4Life]

Only online virgins have Lebron in the top 5

The rest of the world and the general consensus has Lebron outside top 10 quite comfortably

[1987_Lakers]

He's already in the convo for GOAT

Anyone who has him outside the top 5 just exposes themselves for being dumb.

[And1AllDay]

he is goat already. top two is cemented


1a bran
1b kobe bean

3? eh russell
4. Kaj
5. Sure tim d
6.? mike or magic. i lean mikey

[kawhileonard2]

he is goat already. top two is cemented


1a bran
1b kobe bean

3? eh russell
4. Kaj
5. Sure tim d
6.? mike or magic. i lean mikey

Bro your tired ass argument is flat

You mean Mike > Magic > Duncan > Russell > Kareem > Kobe > Lebron

Lebron won 1 title in 11 years for the franchise that drafted him and didn't even make the playoffs with prime Anthony Davis and Russell Westbrook as well as lost in round 2 with Shaq.

if yoy copy paste ur repeat garbage its flat buh..your done

[And1AllDay]

he literally tampered to get love trading Wiggins before eligible

then colluded by calling Adam silver to get draymond suspended


got bailed out by kyrie in game 7

got outscored by double before the first 3 cavs wins became blow outs

lebron padded garbage time stats to win finals mvp


it's a horrible title. what was with curry fouling out on touch fouls in game 6


and iggy and bogus were injured


it's a total shit show. who did they even beat to make the finals that year? does anyone even remember?


who had the better big 3?


kyrie out performed curry ffs

can u stfu

bran and bean are 1a 1b

best 2wayz that won with ok talent vs juggernautz

period homie

[kawhileonard2]

can u stfu

bran and bean are 1a 1b

best 2wayz that won with ok talent vs juggernautz

period homie

Bro your tired ass argument is flat

You mean Mike > Magic > Duncan > Russell > Kareem > Kobe > Lebron

Lebron won 1 title in 11 years for the franchise that drafted him and didn't even make the playoffs with prime Anthony Davis and Russell Westbrook as well as lost in round 2 with Shaq.

if yoy copy paste ur repeat garbage its flat buh..your done

[And1AllDay]

Bro your tired ass argument is flat

You mean Mike > Magic > Duncan > Russell > Kareem > Kobe > Lebron

Lebron won 1 title in 11 years for the franchise that drafted him and didn't even make the playoffs with prime Anthony Davis and Russell Westbrook as well as lost in round 2 with Shaq.

if yoy copy paste ur repeat garbage its flat buh..your done

trigerred

did my thick 6.5 coke can get 2 u?

[kawhileonard2]

trigerred

did my thick 6.5 coke can get 2 u?

Bro your tired ass argument is flat

You mean Mike > Magic > Duncan > Russell > Kareem > Kobe > Lebron

Lebron won 1 title in 11 years for the franchise that drafted him and didn't even make the playoffs with prime Anthony Davis and Russell Westbrook as well as lost in round 2 with Shaq.

if yoy copy paste ur repeat garbage its flat buh..your done

trigerred

did my thick 6.5 coke can get 2 u?

[red1]

Lebron hid in the corner acting like the ball had Covid while Kyrie hit the GW shot over Curry in 2016.

nah he actually hit back to back threes that 4th quarter and had the biggest block in nba history.

[Gohan]

nah he actually hit back to back threes that 4th quarter and had the biggest block in nba history.

Jr smith should be goat also

[davidkimchi]

ok

[StrongLurk]

Two more rings/FMVPS...he should already be at five rings/FMVPs if he didn't choke the Dallas series.

[red1]

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biggest block in nba history


meanwhile other players shoot 6 for 24 in game 7s

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/AggravatingKindheartedKrill-size_restricted.gif

[red1]

I know thats you kenny

[red1]

i will give lebron a serious and honest way he can pass MJ

1. take a PED test and pass it

2. play till age 50 at an allstar level

3. win 3 more rings as finals mvp

4. never lose another nba finals

5. show loyalty to the lakers and rebuilding

6. win at LEAST 1 title without AD or westbrook but instead an organic team and sidekick management attains naturally

7. hits his own bail out finals saving shot for once

lebron has been clutcher and hit more big shots than any player in nba history not named michael jordan

you're just an irrational hater from day one.


this is a bigger shot than anything kobe ever hit in his life:

https://cdn1.sbnation.com/imported_assets/1673447/lebronclutch.gif

[red1]

that game only happened because of this

https://media.tenor.com/RNzYmnPTe1YAAAAC/nba-basketball.gif


show me a moment like that for lebron that wasn't a gift from a teammate

your lens is always the irrational hater lens though.


lebron on those miami teams was BY FAR the best player in the league. he carried that team.


same with the kyrie and love cavs. he CARRIED them. sat down love and kyrie and erased a 26 point deficit:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucAo8M-_epI&ab_channel=FreeDawkins

and then carried the same cavs to the finals again the next year in 2018. that was a championship worthy-run.

[red1]

you're a raptors fan kenny - you know firsthand what lebron does to teams in the playoffs.


slows the game down and controls possessions.


he did the same thing to the spurs and warriors when the odds were even and slowed the game down and dominated when it mattered.


2-0 against the spurs and warriors in nba finals game 7 games.

[red1]

why was lebron on those miami teams


lebron even made fun of his own rings from that situation in his new house party movie

yeah those miami rings and the LA ring were important but they dont mean as much as the cavs ring.

https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/514ecafde4b045db9417fa2f/1479402226392-9TWTDYXIRFTPW9SP8JAV/image-asset.gif

[red1]

why was lebron on those miami teams

this is why he was on those teams:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FVjlVL0WIAEXzIt.jpg
https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/Qs52wQZDVUJntmm6OH-wwDF4bx4=/1400x1050/filters:format(jpeg)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/19882606/celticsbron.jpg

[red1]

you dumbass haters didnt say a thing when he was getting ganged up on 4 vs 1 by the spurs and celtics and then would have held it against him if he went ringless like barkley


but with dwade he was able to destroy the league


they didnt even need a center. bosh got wrecked by every big man.



but with dwade he destroyed the league and got 2 MVPS and FMVPs


was a smart move


https://lebronwire.usatoday.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/37/2021/12/107364443-e1638814245703.jpg

[red1]

lebron slows down the pace after his "sidekick" puts them up 20 and he stat pads the rest of the way to get all the credit


2016 finals
cavs first victory:

0-2 +2 K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 12 ft
0-4 +2 L. James makes 2-pt shot from 1 ft
0-6 +2 K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 1 ft
4-13 +2 L. James makes 2-pt shot at rim
4-19 +2 L. James makes 2-pt shot at rim
6-21 +2 K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 20 ft
8-23 +2 K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 18 ft
10-25+2 K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 13 ft
10-30+3 K. Irving makes 3-pt shot from 24 ft
13-33+3 K. Irving makes 3-pt shot from 27 ft

game over... cavs never looked back


----------------------------



cavs 2nd victory tied 61-61 at half time

K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 1 ft +2 63-61
L. James makes 3-pt shot from 26 ft +3 67-64
K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 9 ft +2 69-66
L. James makes 2-pt shot at rim +2 71-66
K. Irving makes 3-pt shot from 26 ft +3 74-66
L. James makes 2-pt shot from 2 ft +2 77-71
K. Irving makes 3-pt shot from 28 ft (assist by L. James) +3 80-73
L. James makes 3-pt shot from 25 ft +3 89-80
K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 9 ft +2 95-87
L. James makes 2-pt shot from 16 ft +2 97-88
K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 8 ft +2 101-92
K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 8 ft +2 104-96
K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 14 ft +2 106-96
K. Irving makes 3-pt shot from 26 ft +3 109-96


game over.. cavs never looked back



-----------------------



cavs 3rd victory

0-4 +2 K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 13 ft
0-6 +2 L. James makes 2-pt shot at rim
0-8 +2 L. James makes 2-pt shot from 3 ft
2-11 +3 K. Irving makes 3-pt shot from 28 ft
2-13 +2 L. James makes 2-pt shot at rim
7-20 +2 K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 18 ft
9-26 +2 L. James makes 2-pt shot from 1 ft
13-34 +3 K. Irving makes 3-pt shot from 27 ft
18-37 +2 K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 17 ft
26-43 +2 K. Irving makes 2-pt shot at rim


game over ... cavs never looked back


kyrie scored 51 points in key moments
lebron scored 26 points in key moments

I was watching a lakers spurs playoff game and kobe missed 7 shots in a row



kobe literally shot 6 for 24 in game 7 of the nba finals.





meanwhile lebron has the bigest block and one one of the biggest shots in game 7s of the NBA finals (dropped 37 FYI).

[red1]

kobe beat those 2 teams organically without needing to jump on 2 other superstars somewhere else

why is that

why did kobe take a 0-12 playoff bum 1 time allstar in 7 years and turn him into a 2 time champion

why couldn't lebron do that with big Z or jamison or hughes or shaq or mo williams or wait for management to get someone

thats why haters are haters.


lebron was always CLEARLY better than kobe.


you're just mad that he chipped up and got some rings and finals MVPs when had good teammates.



and now you just call them fake accolades and fake rings. thats kinda lame. :oldlol:

[ImKobe]

He needs 5+ rings to be in that conversation. Played in WOAT Conference for the majority of his career + stacked the deck at every chance in his prime and is still short of MJ/Kareem/Kobe/Magic/TD..

[red1]

again kenny - here are the best players in the world every year of the decade. I'll even add in 2010 to appease you:

2010: kobe
2011: lebron
2012: lebron
2013: lebron
2014: lebron
2015: lebron
2016: lebron
2017: lebron
2018: lebron
2019: kawhi
2020: lebron




thats called domination. plain and simple.

[1987_Lakers]

He needs 5+ rings to be in that conversation. Played in WOAT Conference for the majority of his career + stacked the deck at every chance in his prime and is still short of MJ/Kareem/Kobe/Magic/TD..

A Kobe fan who won 3 titles with peak Shaq talking about "stacking the deck".

LeBron never played with anyone as good as peak Shaq.

[1987_Lakers]

Here are Kobe's finals stats

2000 - 15.6 ppg | 39 fg%

2001 - 24 ppg | 41.5 fg% | 50 TS%

2002 - 27 ppg | 51 fg% | 62 TS%

2004 - 23 ppg | 38 fg% | 46 TS%

2008 - 26 ppg | 40.1 fg% | 50.5 TS%

2009 - 32 ppg | 43 fg% | 52.5 TS%

2010 - 29 ppg | 40.1 fg% | 52.8 TS%



Here are Kobe's game seven stats.

44.2 MPG

22.2 points

FG 38.9%

FT 67.3%

8 RPG

5 APG

1 SPG

1.3 BPG





Here are Kobe's stats when facing elimination.



22.3 PPG

5.8 RPG


3.5 APG

1.3 SPG

1.3 BPG

on a 50.3 TS

and his teams went 9-10 in those games.

[1987_Lakers]

kobe proved himself twice without an all time great sidekick

when will lebron

He went 6-24.

Here is another reminder.

Here are Kobe's finals stats

2000 - 15.6 ppg | 39 fg%

2001 - 24 ppg | 41.5 fg% | 50 TS%

2002 - 27 ppg | 51 fg% | 62 TS%

2004 - 23 ppg | 38 fg% | 46 TS%

2008 - 26 ppg | 40.1 fg% | 50.5 TS%

2009 - 32 ppg | 43 fg% | 52.5 TS%

2010 - 29 ppg | 40.1 fg% | 52.8 TS%



Here are Kobe's game seven stats.

44.2 MPG

22.2 points

FG 38.9%

FT 67.3%

8 RPG

5 APG

1 SPG

1.3 BPG





Here are Kobe's stats when facing elimination.



22.3 PPG

5.8 RPG


3.5 APG

1.3 SPG

1.3 BPG

on a 50.3 TS

and his teams went 9-10 in those games.

[red1]

if lebron was always clearly better then why did kobe have to teach lebron how to be a man at the 2008 olympics ( SELF ADMITTEDLY BY LEBRON THE PRODUCER OF THE MOVIE - THE REDEEM TEAM )


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nujtdMik2U

why did kobe outscore lebron by 50 when they defended each other

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncMtXkL4Gu4

lebron 2 point hook shot shot 2-0
Kobe 3 point shot 2-3
Kobe 2 point running bank shot 2-5
Kobe 2 point up and under layup 2-7
Lebron 2 point layup 4-7
Kobe 2 point jumper 4-9
Kobe 2 point jumper 4-11
Kobe 2 point jumper 4-13
Kobe 3 point fall away shot 4-16
Kobe 2 point jumper 4-18
Kobe 3 point pull up 4-21
Kobe 2 point fall away bank shot 4-23
Kobe 3 point step back 4-26
Kobe 2 point fall away 4-28
Lebron 2 point fast break dunk 6-28
Lebron 2 point fade away 8-28
Kobe 2 point pull up shot 8-30
Lebron 2 point layup 10-30
Kobe 2 point running bank shot 10-32
Kobe 2 point jumper 10-34
Kobe 2 point jumper 10-36
Lebron 2 point jumper 12-36
Kobe 2 point layup 12-38
Lebron 2 point jumper 14-38
Kobe 2 point jumper 14-40
Lebron 2 point jumper 16-40
Kobe 2 point fall away shot 16-42
Kobe 3 point face up shot 16-45
Lebron 2 point fall away shot 19-45
Kobe 2 point high arching fade away 19-47
Kobe 2 point running leaner 19-49
Kobe 2 point dunk 19-51
Kobe 2 point rainbow fade away 19-53
Lebron 3 point step back 22-53
Kobe 2 point dunk 22-55
Kobe 3 point jumper 22-58
Lebron 2 point layup 24-58
Kobe 2 point fade away 24-60
Kobe 2 point layup 24-62
Kobe 2 point jumper 24-64
Kobe 2 point layup 24-66
Kobe 2 point fade away 24-68
Lebron 2 point layup 26-68
Kobe 2 point fake out layup 26-70
Lebron 2 point dunk 28-70
Kobe 2 point fade away 28-72
Kobe 3 point face up shot 28-75
Kobe 2 point fade away 28-77
Kobe 2 point pull up 28-79



why did fans vote kobe over lebron for so long?

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that version of kobe was a better scorer and more experienced defender but even then it was already close. lebron and dwade were unbelievable in those olympics too it wasnt just kobe. they did defer to him though. kobe actually helped lebron hit his first prime years in 2009 after those olympics because he was unreal from that year forward.


lebron is still better than kobe and everyone agrees better than every player ever not named michael jordan.

[1987_Lakers]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5PDgv5y-S0

[1987_Lakers]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z49whgBNCyE

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is it safe to say that Kobe is the father lebron never had. considering kobe had to teach him how to be a man since his own father left when he was in diapers


this is straight from lebrons documentary

yeah I dont know about that. everyone respects kobe and we cant slander him now because its poor taste.


on the court everyone knows who the real father was.

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they compared all of these players to the GOAT and none of them measured up.


kobe definitely came the closest though.

[red1]

the GOAT and 2nd best SG of all-time :applause:


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[1987_Lakers]

shaq admits kobe carried him the following 2 years

Surely Kobe won a Finals MVP if that was the case.

















































:roll:

[red1]

lebron went from a bronze medal chump to a gold medalist/league mvp after teaming with kobe and learning work ethic/attention to defense


his biggest leap as a player came in between 2008 and 2009 for a reason

he'd already carried the cavs to their first finals in franchise history in 2007 and had given the big 3 champion celtics the work pushing them to game 7 in 2008 just the two years prior.

I'd say he was doing alright.



kobe definitely helped him though. bron paid him back by letting him get the next two rings so he could finally get a finals MVP.

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winning and bringing a winning culture everywhere he goes - bron saving the lakers franchise out of respect for GOATbe:


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EqwiKabVQAIsYfz.jpg

[1987_Lakers]

since you weren't around back then i would compare it to how AD carried lebron the entire season in 2021 and through the first 3 rounds so lebron could hijack finals mvp vs a weak eastern finals opponent

Dude can't even get the years right. :lol

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i guess thats how memorable it was to me since i didn't watch most of it due to it being in a practice facility at disneyland

dont worry we still owe kobe another ring. anthony davis will return.


number one defense in the league with AD.


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[1987_Lakers]

i guess thats how memorable it was to me since i didn't watch most of it due to it being in a practice facility at disneyland

You didn't watch most of it because you knew what was coming. LeBron winning another ring as a Laker no less would completely seal the LeBron/Kobe debate, even though it was sealed by most fans after 2016.

[1987_Lakers]

AD is awesome. he currently has a higher PER this year than Michael Jordans entire career

lebron literally has a GOAT level player beside him

Speaking of PER, Shaq had a higher PER than Kobe every season from 2000-2004

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AD is awesome. he currently has a higher PER this year than Michael Jordans entire career

lebron literally has a GOAT level player beside him

agreed.


I hope AD's bitch ass is drinking his milk. already wasted the last two seasons of the GOAT's career with his fragile ass.

[1987_Lakers]

didn't the lakers vote against their own bubble ring



Yes, amazing that LeBron was willing to sacrifice a ring for social justice. What an outstanding human.

[1987_Lakers]

PER was created for big men. can't really compare the 2. its an efficiency based stat. bigs are naturally more efficient. plus rebounding is huge for it

kobe wasn't the type of guy to chase rebounds like a westbrook, harden, lebron or luka

Just 2 min ago


AD is awesome. he currently has a higher PER this year than Michael Jordans entire career

lebron literally has a GOAT level player beside him

:roll:

[1987_Lakers]

lebron voted against the validity of his own championship

:yaohappy:

How valid are Kobe's rings?

Here are Kobe's finals stats

2000 - 15.6 ppg | 39 fg%

2001 - 24 ppg | 41.5 fg% | 50 TS%

2002 - 27 ppg | 51 fg% | 62 TS%

2004 - 23 ppg | 38 fg% | 46 TS%

2008 - 26 ppg | 40.1 fg% | 50.5 TS%

2009 - 32 ppg | 43 fg% | 52.5 TS%

2010 - 29 ppg | 40.1 fg% | 52.8 TS%

:yaohappy:

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as valid as any of these guys rings during an era with actual defense on the perimeter

1995 - drexler: 45.0%
1995 - horry: 43.4%
1995 - Cassell: 42.9%
1995 - smith: 37.9%

1995 - penny: 50.0%
1995 - shaw: 42.6%
1995 - anderson: 36.0%
1995 - scott: 31.0%

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1996 - Jordan: 41.5%
1996 - pippen: 34.3%
1996 - kukoc: 42.3%
1996 - harper: 37.5%
1996 - kerr: 30.3%


1996 - Payton: 44.4%
1996 - schrempf: 44.3%
1996 - hawkins: 45.5%
1996 - perkins: 37.7%
1996 - mcmillin: 42.9%

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1997 - jordan: 45.6%
1997 - pippen: 42.1%
1997 - kukoc: 40.5%
1997 - harper: 34.4%
1997 - kerr: 36.0%


1997 - stockton: 50.0%
1997 - hornacek: 37.9%
1997 - russell: 39.0%
1997 - anderson: 31.6%


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1998 - jordan: 42.7%
1998 - pippen: 41.0%
1998 - harper: 36.4%
1998 - kerr: 35.0%
1998 - kukoc: 50.0%


1998 - anderson: 50.0%
1998 - stockton: 49.0%
1998 - hornacek: 41.1%
1998 - russell: 40.9%
1998 - eisley: 37.5%

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1999 - johnson 50.0%
1999 - elie: 44.7%
1999 - elliott: 33.3%
1999 - jackson: 32.4%
1999 - kerr: 40.0%

1999 - sprewell: 41.0%
1999 - houston: 42.7%
1999 - johnson: 28.6%
1999 - ward: 46.2%
1999 - childs: 22.7%


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2000 - kobe: 36.7%
2000 - rice: 40.0%
2000 - fisher: 42.9%
2000 - shaw: 21.6%
2000 - harper: 46.4%


2000 - miller: 41.3%
2000 - rose: 46.7%
2000 - jackson: 41.3%
2000 - perkins: 37.9%
2000 - best: 46.7%
2000 - croshere: 54.5%


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2001 - kobe: 41.5%
2001 - fisher: 43.6%
2001 - fox: 44.1%
2001 - shaw: 30.0%
2001 - lue: 58.3%


2001 - iverson: 40.7%
2001 - snow: 40.7%
2001 - mickie: 31.3%
2001 - bell: 30.8%
2001 - jones: 40.0%
2001 - ollie: 33.3%

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2002 - kobe: 51.4%
2002 - fisher: 51.5%
2002 - fox: 52.2%
2002 - george: 43.5%
2002 - shaw: 28.6%
2002 - hunter: 20.0%

2002 - kidd: 43.8%
2002 - kittles: 45.2%
2002 - van horn: 38.6%
2002 - harris: 34.4%
2002 - jefferson: 52.4%


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2003 - parker: 38.6%
2003 - jackson: 37.7%
2003 - ginobili: 34.8%
2003 - bowen: 23.3%
2003 - claxton: 56.0%

2003 - kidd: 36.4%
2003 - jefferson: 41.7%
2003 - kittles: 37.7%
2003 - harris: 30.6%


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2004 - kobe: 38.1%
2004 - fisher: 30.6%
2004 - george: 39.3%
2004 - payton: 32.1%
2004 - malone: 33.3%
2004 - medvidenko: 35.3%
2004 - rush: 31.8
2004 - walton: 38.5%



2004 - hamilton: 40.2%
2004 - billups: 50.9%
2004 - prince: 38.9%
2004 - hunter: 29.4%
2004 - sheed: 45.3%
2004 - james: 50.0%

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2005 - Duncan: 41.9% ( became more of a mid range shooter )
2005 - manu: 49.4%
2005 - parker: 45.8%
2005 - bowen: 38.0%
2005 - barry: 40.7%
2005 - beno: 36.4%
2005 - brown: 27.3%


2005 - billups: 43.4%
2005 - hamilton: 38.6%
2005 - sheed: 43.8%
2005 - prince: 38.2%
2005 - hunter: 38.1%

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2006 - wade: 46.8%
2006 - walker: 39.1%
2006 - williams: 36.0%
2006 - posey: 41.9%
2006 - payton: 36.8%
2006 - anderson: 33.3%

2006 - terry: 47.8%
2006 - howard: 38.8%
2006 - stackhouse: 35.5%
2006 - harris: 36.4%
2006 - van horn: 27.3%


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2007 - parker: 56.8%
2007 - duncan: 44.6%
2007 - manu: 36.7%
2007 - bowen: 29.6%
2007 - finley: 26.1%
2007 - barry: 36.4%


2007 - lebron: 35.6%
2007 - gibson: 43.9%
2007 - pavlovic: 36.4%
2007 - jones: 45.5%
2007 - marshall: 31.5%
2007 - snow: 40.0%

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2008 - pierce: 43.2%
2008 - allen: 50.7%
2008 - rondo: 37.7%
2008 - house: 35.7%
2008 - cassell: 37.5%
2008 - posey: 50.0%

2008 - kobe: 40.5%
2008 - fisher: 40.5%
2008 - vujacic: 39.1%
2008 - radmanovic: 39.0%
2008 - farmar: 48.4%
2008 - walton: 31.3%
2008 - ariza: 55.6%

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2009 - kobe: 43.0%
2009 - ariza: 35.7%
2009 - fisher: 50.0%
2009 - farmar: 36.8%
2009 - luke: 80.0%
2009 - brown: 0.0%
2009 - sasha: 0.0%

2009 - hedo: 49.2%
2009 - lewis: 40.5%
2009 - alston: 36.8%
2009 - pietrus: 47.5%
2009 - lee: 37.5%
2009 - reddick: 40.0%
2009 - nelson: 34.8%

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2010 - kobe: 40.5%
2010 - metta: 36.1%
2010 - fisher: 42.0%
2010 - brown: 45.0%
2010 - farmar: 32.1%
2010 - walton: 33.3%


2010 - pierce: 43.9%
2010 - allen: 36.7%
2010 - rondo: 45.4%
2010 - sheed: 36.6%
2010 - robinson: 40.0%
2010 - allen: 33.3%




have you ever heard of overcoming odds/injuries?


its funny how we praise guys like curt schilling, isiah thomas, willis reed, michael jordan and others for battling through illness/injuries for inspiring moments but when kobe does it hes just playing inefficiently even though it was common during the finals for every non big

2000 - ankle
2001 - ankle/wrist
2002 - food poisoning
2004 - shoulder/knee surgery
2008 - shooting hand fracture
2009 - shooting hand dislocation
2010 - shooting hand broken index finger/knee cartilage gone


2010 he was so injured he could only play 30 minutes a game in 2011

yet you rip on the guy for toughing it out and winning a title


whenever lebron failed in the finals in 2007, 2011, 2014, 2015, 2017, 2018 ( and played piss poor during a win in 2013 ) what was his injury excuse

wasn't ready his first two finals was a kid the first one in 2007 and choked 2011 but was the best player in the nba other 8 finals and playoff runs (2014, 2015, 2017, 2018)

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easily a better playoff and finals performer than kobe

was an underdog in 7/10 finals and played the most stacked team of all-time 4 times in the finals - but hey we'll take the end result:

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/MIWYB7qtq6c/hqdefault.jpg

[red1]

I never see kobe fanboys and haters mentioning the fact that lebron easily could have ended up with 6-7 rings with a bit of luck but instead you hear nothing but buh buh kyrie buh ray allen


meanwhile lebron was the biggest underdog in some of those finals with literally zero help (2007, 2015, 2018)


thats how it goes you have good luck and bad luck but it all shakes out even at the end.



4 finals MVPs.

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6- 24 in game 7 of the NBA finals.



vs



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[red1]

37 points game 7 of the finals vs the spurs


and this:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FlPHn-GXEAAxnWV.jpg

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[red1]

best player in the nba during lebrons career

2003-04 Kevin Garnett
2004-05 Shaquille O'neal
2005-06 Kobe Bryant
2006-07 Kobe Bryant
2007-08 Kobe Bryant
2008-09 Kobe Bryant
2009-10 Kobe Bryant
2010-11 Dirk Nowitzki
2011-12 Lebron James
2012-13 Lebron James
2013-14 Lebron James
2014-15 Lebron James
2015-16 Lebron James
2016-17 Kevin Durant
2017-18 Kevin Durant
2018-19 Kevin Durant
2019-20 *void season, can't say*
2020-21 Giannis Antetokounmpo
2021-22 Giannis Antetokounmpo
2022-23 Giannis Antetokounmpo


i don't care who won mvp or who won finals mvp. this is just from the eye test of a players level of ability/value in a vacuum


lebron didn't learn how to become a man till 2008 or learn how to become a champion by watching dwyane wade in 2011


lebron broke out in 2012 then got eviscerated in 2017/18 by a superior player. lebron had the numbers and durant had the deeper team but the eye test told us durant was the man. especially in those game 3's back to back years when lebron got a series swinging shot drained in his face then soft picked intentionally off durant the following year in that same situation.

lebrons career as the best is 2012 to 2016. thats it. he was number 2 or 3 for many many years but not #1 for more than 5 years. sorry

the cavs got swept in 2018 not only because of JR smith. lebron also forgot they had a timeout
17-18 and 20 is also lebron. kerr said lebron was the best in the world after 2018 so that confirms it

how did they get eviscerated. this is why you haters are delusional. lebron was BY FAR the best in the world 2018. those warriors were so stacked in 2017 that they went undefeated in the west and ended up going up 16-1 and easily could have gone 16-0 except the lebron and kyrie are too good so they stole ONE game

warriors that year had the western conference finals starting lineup as their starting lineup.

the kyrie lebron cavs are so good that they would have won multiple rings in any era that the kd curry klay dray iggy warriors didnt play in.




remember kenny - stever kerr who won multiple rings with MJ and coached curry and kd himself said lebron and MJ are the two best players of all-time and "can be ranked either way"




its over my guy.

[red1]

thats why kd was so mad and salty those years - everyone STILL ranked lebron over him after he won his two finals MVPs


draymond himself said that the warriors didnt need him - even though we obviously know he's wrong



remember - they were one shot from winning a championship after going 73-9 and have won a second ring now without kd - dray wasnt THAT far off and its proven now...

[red1]

again that lebron shooting gif came from a game that never should've happened unless ray allen saves lebrons legacy and gives him a 2nd chance at a ring

and the block came during a stretch that lebron missed 4 straight shots and needed a teammate to bail him out
you see thats called being a hater. lebron carried that 2013 heat team.

popovich himself said lebron singlehandedly carried them back into that game 6.

lebron singledhandedly saved their postseason and erased a 10 point deficit with his own run in the "headband game"


blocked duncan ran down and then got a layup


it was beautiful :roll:

[red1]

17/18 is not lebron. we all watched the finals. durant toyed with lebron on defense and was making him fall on the floor

https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/8617085/KD_dunk.0.gif

it was a joke. it was when people started making lebron defensive failure compilations in the finals

and how on earth was lebron better than anthony davis all year in 2020 when AD led the lakers in every single category other than assists all season and through the first 3 rounds and was a DPOTY candidate

disagree even though it is debatable.


2017 and 2018 lebron > 2017 kd AND curry

2018 lebron had a GOAT-tier run. you can go look at the highlights. nearly took a game off the most stacked team of all-time as well in game 1.


2020? wrong as per usual.


we all know who the leader of that laker team was. AD is a talented player has the talent to be the best in the league but we know how it went down.

[red1]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H56iR3188P0&ab_channel=NBA


4th quarter of the spurs heat game 6 2013


van gundy says live that lebron singlehandedly brought them back. its right there. down 65-75 with the spurs going off.

[red1]

best player in the nba during lebrons career

2003-04 Kevin Garnett
2004-05 Shaquille O'neal
2005-06 Kobe Bryant
2006-07 Kobe Bryant
2007-08 Kobe Bryant
2008-09 Kobe Bryant
2009-10 Kobe Bryant
2010-11 Dirk Nowitzki
2011-12 Lebron James
2012-13 Lebron James
2013-14 Lebron James
2014-15 Lebron James
2015-16 Lebron James
2016-17 Kevin Durant
2017-18 Kevin Durant
2018-19 Kevin Durant
2019-20 Anthony Davis
2020-21 Giannis Antetokounmpo
2021-22 Giannis Antetokounmpo
2022-23 Giannis Antetokounmpo
I agree with most of this. just ranking the best in the world. pretty reasonable.
2019 for sure is kawhi. unfair because kd before injury would have taken it.
18 for sure is lebron. he was unreal that year.

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why is bringing up this legacy saving shot hating on lebron

its the truth

if ray allen misses lebrons 3 for 10 in the finals


if kyrie misses lebrons 2 for 10 in the finals


thats HORRIBLE. its not even like jordan/kobe whos teammates hit big shots with tons of time left or in games 5 or 6 non elimination games.. or earlier rounds where they never even won the title anyway

this is do or die type shit. lebron owes half his legacy to those 2 men

after 3 other rings you cant say its a legacy saving shot.

he'd STILL have more finals mvps than kobe if ray allen missed that shot. :oldlol:



now lebron has a GOAT case with that 4th finals MVP.



thank you ray-ray!

[red1]

its a team sport and he was playing teams that were VERY good in both cases.

those spurs and warriors both dominated the west and lebron was the best player in both series - better than every player on those spurs and warriors


and regarding kyrie - how can a player save your legacy when you literally carry them to their only ring of their career and you have 3 rings that they dont have? :oldlol:

[red1]

leads both teams in every stat - meanwhile he was "saved" :oldlol:


you just look stupid hating at this point. all of your arguments are outdated from 2011.



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[red1]

I got a highlight for you kenny:

https://youtu.be/H56iR3188P0?t=5398



you bring up ray allen - lebron WAS the 2013 heat


van gundy says he is absolutely carrying them :roll:

[red1]

singlehandedly erased a 10-point deficit but "ray allen saved him" :roll:


GOAT james

[red1]

all of lebrons success is bogus

2012 - lockout fake season, collusion, superteam, big 3
2013 - ray allen bail out, colluded big 4 superteam
2016 - kyrie carries first 3 wins, game 7 bail out, colluded big 3 superteam
2020 - fake bubble season/playoffs, practice court, no fans, no travel, AD theft, AD carried all year


its all filled with black eyes


don't care about your stat padding memes

thats fine.


could have been 6-8 rings actually if dray didnt call kd in the parking lot and if kyrie and AD werent so fragile always going down.


was the best player in 8 playoffs and finals after all (2012-2018, 2020).




just gotta deal with it at this point. undisputed top 2 and will have a legit GOAT case with that 40k all-time record.

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2 for 10 without bailouts

his 2 both coming in lockout/bubble shortened seasons

yikes

without these bailouts he'd have a kobe-esque career of 2 finals MVPs.



gotta thank ray-ray and 'ree for that 4x4x4 undisputed GOAT-status career. big time shots. :applause:

[red1]

I dont think lebron did anything useful for the cavs or heat those 2 years.


must have been a complete fluke winning those finals MVPs (2013 and 2016).

[red1]

so lebron colludes a big 3, then a big 4. then another big 3... then durant/draymond do it and theres a problem? its 2 cheaters competing against each other

neither of KD or lebrons rings matter to me

yeah those are the same no doubt.


I hate it when lebron keeps joining those 73-9 championship teams. I'm sure his teams still win rings after he leaves.



you know - like the warriors just won last year.

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anyone know how the cavs and heat did after lebron left?

[red1]

do you respect KD's finals mvps

kd broke the league bro. his own teammates didnt respect how stacked it was. you can hear klay talk about it too. kd was literally up 3-2 on those same warriors, lost to them after nearly beating them, and THEN joined them - after they won the ring without him JUST THE YEAR BEFORE


meanwhile lebron carried those heat and cavs teams



thats just a cold, hard fact

[red1]

bron deserves the 40k all-time record because he's carried the league for 2 decades now

[red1]

regular season win totals don't mean anything. the 2017-18 warriors won 58 games and were better overall than the 73 win team in 2015-16


the 2015-16 cavs had a better big 3 than the 2015-16 warriors

the 2001 lakers that won 56 games was better than the 67 win lakers from the year prior


and if the heat had wade/bosh and any other random 3rd borderline star they would push 65 wins in the east without lebron if they gunned it 100% all year


so him going there wasn't much different

everything you say is wrong. because you're a just hater and you want him to fail and even when he wins you still make excuses. :oldlol:


WRONG.



anyone with common sense knows that the kd warriors and lebron heat are not nearly the same.

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40k on the way bitch

more points than kobe more MVPs than kobe more finals MVPs than kobe won with more franchises than kobe bigger moments in the playoffs than kobe


better scorer than kobe better defender than kobe


better player than kobe. period.


40k all-time on the way:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJk5ovrAcuI&ab_channel=ESPN

[red1]

so you think the 2016 warriors are better than the durant warriors

https://media.tenor.com/N2JDQPy4DtYAAAAd/meme-kid.gif

of course not.


those warriors won 2 rings and won 73 games without kd though.


how many championships did the cavs win without lebron?

[red1]

haters just gonna hate.


GOATs gonna GOAT

[kawhileonard2]

anyone know how the cavs and heat did after lebron left?

Heat won a title before Lebron ever came. Lakers won 16 titles before Lebron ever came.

[kawhileonard2]

bron deserves the 40k all-time record because he's carried the league for 2 decades now

How so? Worst finals ratings all time was with Lebron in it

[red1]

if lebron was a better scorer than kobe he wouldn't have had as many career 50 point games as kobes single 2007 season up until only a few years ago

kobe is a more skilled scorer but he's not 6'9 with a mismatch on nearly every defender


I think lebron could have scored far more if he was as aggressive as kobe

[red1]

How so? Worst finals ratings all time was with Lebron in it

carried this league for 20 years my guy and gave you a villain to hate

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiNd8gvh-jA&ab_channel=NBA

[red1]

so its possible to be a better team with 17 less wins

for sure. but those boys were DEADLY.


curry just lit up the league again last year with klay hobbled and wiggins stepping in.


they nearly went back to back in 2015 and 2016 and would have done so if lebron and kyrie weren't GOAT-level offensive players.

[red1]

kobe posted up lebron and midgets equally as well


lebron however

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CllRe7KWEAAihOU.jpg

yeah bro. gotta go back to 2011 for the jokes.


I feel you. it's been rough since then for the haters.


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[red1]

carried it to all time low ratings since the games went nationally televised

carried it to freedom of movement rules

carried it to player empowerment superteam banana boat collusions being the norm

carried it to donovan mitchell PED tests while zero for lebron over 20 years

:roll:

I know. it's been rough watching lebron do what kobe never could.


actually play useful basketball at the end of his career. :applause:

[red1]

kobe posted up lebron and midgets equally as well


lebron however

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CllRe7KWEAAihOU.jpg

those same mavs swept kobe :oldlol:

https://mikesmitty214.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/broom3.jpg

ray allen and kyrie still have you sick - lebron has DOUBLE kobe's finals MVP count now :roll:


not bad for a guy you used to call a choker- he's literally more clutch than kobe by every single metric INCLUDING the eye test

[red1]

you're right. when kobe was doing his thing ratings were still respectable, PED testing was legitimate, zero bubbles, plenty of contact, tons of loyalty

I dont like the new scoring rules either. these inflated scoring numbers make it impossible to compare eras.

[8Ball]

Kobe got swept in 2011.

[Axe]

kobe played 30 minutes per game in 2011. was going in for major reconstructive knee surgery that off season. he wasn't even 50%


whats lebrons excuse
What happened to your Yeezy account, ken ken.