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[Kblaze8855]

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[ArbitraryWater]

these dudes change their lists like breakfast.

its purely for ratings and views.


this way theyre talked about.

[1987_Lakers]

Both have Magic ahead of Kareem. Completely makes the list irrelevant.

I'll stick to realgm lists.

[warriorfan]

Both have Magic ahead of Kareem. Completely makes the list irrelevant.

I'll stick to realgm lists.

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[1987_Lakers]

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You know I'm right. There is no case for Magic > Kareem.

[warriorfan]

You know I'm right. There is no case for Magic > Kareem.

take your midget ass back to cuckGM. you don’t know shit about ball

[1987_Lakers]

kareems career is beginning to look less impressive due to lebron exposing how just playing long will get you his most cherished accomplishment

theres a ton that we can nitpick about him

like:

- his last 2 rings were role player status
- he didn't even play in the deciding game for his 2nd ring
- the phantom call/game 7 interference in 1988 should deduct a ring
- a few of his mvps were bogus and just some respect vote without earning the award
- moses malone sh*t on his ass every single time seemingly
- magic saved his legacy
- he has 2 finals mvps in like 10 finals ( not even as good as kobe )



so in reality kareem is great but not even close to goat status as people thought for so long. nobody is on MJ's level. not him or russell


the truth is you can jumble up the top 2 to 11 or 12 in any order. but what cant be done is separating shaq and duncan. bird and magic. kobe and lebron. wilt and russell... those guys should all fall somewhere next to each other

I've seen you shit on Magic Johnson many times, nut now a list having him top 3 is "good".

[1987_Lakers]

take your midget ass back to cuckGM. you don’t know shit about ball

Yup, no actual response. Take your ass to the report button so you could snitch on more people.

[warriorfan]

Yup, no actual response. Take your ass to the report button so you could snitch on more people.

nah, you’ve already snitched on yourself for being a midget with stretch marks

[1987_Lakers]

nah, you’ve already snitched on yourself for being a midget with stretch marks

You've snitched on yourself for smoking crack.

[1987_Lakers]

anyone can be ranked anywhere from 2 to 10 depending on what you value. its all subjective. the only guy not moving an inch is MJ

Nah, there is no argument for Bird & and say Hakeem to being ranked #2, both guys are in the top 10.

Kareem has so much more accolades than Magic as well as being a better defender that there is no way I can take a list of Magic being ranked ahead of Kareem seriously.

Kareem
19x All-Star (Make is 17 since his last 2 were undeserving)
15x All-NBA
11x All-Defensive
6x NBA MVP

Magic
12x All-star
10x All-NBA
3x NBA MVP

It's not even close.

[1987_Lakers]

i don't respect a lot of what either man did. theres tons of asterisks. i only see them as players. the eye test tells me they're basically equal but i'l give kareem the slight nod


its sort of like the kobe/shaq dynamic. even when shaq was winning mvps in the finals it was kobe getting them there most of the time. same as how magic was the difference maker that put them over the top and carried them but kareem was getting all the touches in the finals for a while.

Only difference is Kareem was winning a championship and was the league's best player throughout the 70's before Magic even entered the league. That's the difference right there. Magic was gone only 2 years after Kareem retired, not Kareem's fault Magic was out there having sex like a maniac which made him catch HIV.

[HylianNightmare]

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Smart dudes

[Kblaze8855]

The way we rank players rarely looks dumber than when someone brings up Kareems finals mvp count. He was literally the winner by vote and an on site producer went and asked the voters if it was ok for them to make it Magic for the sake of the tv production since Kareem wasn’t available.

Kareem won finals mvp the same way every other winner did but it was simply not handed to him on tv so he’s forever a worse player because of it.

CBS changes a players ranking for the sake of production values and people just go with it because they have no idea how anything they talk about came to be. And don’t care.

[1987_Lakers]

kareem was an unmotivated loser without oscar. a selfish anti team me first muslim stuck up racist clown that tried to sabotage magic when he came in


magic took over that piece of shits team and saved his career



kareems rep was on the level of rick barrys for a long time. magic took that goofball on his back and carried him to near goat status

You can apply that to anyone. Kobe without Shaq is probably top 20-25.

Kareem won a title with past prime Oscar and made another Finals in '74 with Oscar being a role player at that point.

Kareem's supporting cast when he got to the Lakers was awful. Go look at the '77 WCF, the backcourt players for the Lakers couldn't even dribble. Kareem basically carried that team to the conference Finals while averaging 35/18/4/4 in that playoff run. It was a similar supporting cast Kobe had from '05-'07.

[1987_Lakers]

kobe without Shaq had a Hakeem type career over a span of 5 years you f*cking retard.. how is he dropping to 25th if you gave him his first 8 years back to add onto that

No he didn't. Hakeem dominated when he won back to back, Kobe had the worst Finals game 7 ever along with John Starks.

But that's besides the point. Playing with great players has always boosted legacy. Shaq/Kobe benefited with playing with each other, as did MJ/Pippen & Magic/Kareem etc.

To act like Kareem is the only example is retarded.

[hold this L]

Kareem is better than Magic IMO, and not having Lebron in the top 5 is just stupid.

[Kblaze8855]

hey smart guy. guess who votes for league mvp since the 80s


the media/producers have literally been deciding legacies for the past 40 years


The voters in question….did NOT decide. The voters voted Kareem. Cbs itself had someone hand it to Magic and just said he won.

We have just been not acknowledging it because it doesn’t matter to people.

[1987_Lakers]

Kobe had more 1st team all nbas, all defensive 1st teams, allstar starts, 40,50,60 point games and just as many titles, Finals, league mvps and Finals mvps as Hakeem and didn't need his best competition to retire for it to happen. if anything Kobe did more than Hakeem from 05/06 on

give him 8 more years and he gets another 1 or 2 titles and has a 30+ppg career average. he's probly easily passing Kareem before lebron does. how the f*ck would that be 25th lmao

Hakeem's peak was on another tier compared to Kobe's. And those all-defensive teams Kobe made are not fooling anyone, Hakeem has a legit case for being the GOAT defender while Kobe made a bunch of undeserving All-Defensive teams.

[Wally450]

1. MJ
2. LeBron
3. KAJ
4. Russell
5. Bird

That's what I usually put when prompted to give a Top 5.

[1987_Lakers]

you bring up all time rankings and now you're switching to "in a vacuum at their best" cause I just obliterated your dumbass post

Peak/career are both taken into consideration when evaluating players all-time.

So since Kobe made more all-defensive teams than Hakeem that makes him a better defender?

Use your head.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

you bring up all time rankings and now you're switching to "in a vacuum at their best" cause I just obliterated your dumbass post

and even then I'm taking Kobe in 03/06 and 09 over Hakeem for all around 2 way ability/strictly offense/dragging a bum team to a ring


sorry kid. you lose again

You're a biased fanboy, but at least you're honest.

Dunno why posters give 1987 serious replies. :lol No self proclaimed "Lakers fan" goes outta their to demonize Kobe's play. That person would be a complete ingrate and absolute joke of a fan. Or simply not who he/she claims lol

[Norcaliblunt]

heres a top 12 i think everyone should get behind

1a. Jordan
1b. Kareem
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3a. Russell
3b. Wilt
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5a. Kobe
5b. Lebron
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7a. Magic
7b. Bird
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9a. Shaq
9b. Duncan
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11a. Hakeem
11b. Curry



i think this is a blend of everyones picks but in a respectable order


it takes what some people value vs what other people value in each debate and gives equal validity to each argument


I actually agree with this one. Although I’d say you could put the 5 7 9 and 11’s in any order.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Anyway kind of surprised neither have Bron in their top 5.

Suppose you could argue the peak and prime stuff... At the very least, though, Bron has a top 5 resume.

[1987_Lakers]

kobes peak had the highest scoring season and single game in nba history according to league pace while being 1st team defense at the same time. kobes peak had more 50 point games than hakeems entire life


And despite that, Hakeem's defensive impact was miles ahead of Kobe while also being one of the best scoring big men ever at the same time.

There is no shame in Kobe being #11.

[1987_Lakers]

guys don't gush over Hakeem in interviews every week. they do for Kobe. Hakeem isn't on that level. he never was. if he was jordan wouldn't be run away player if the 90s.. hakeems an afterthought. go away midget

Guys didn't gush over Duncan the way they did Kobe either.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?508835-Who-was-the-player-of-the-decade-for-the-00-s

[FultzNationRISE]

Anyway kind of surprised neither have Bron in their top 5.

Suppose you could argue the peak and prime stuff... At the very least, though, Bron has a top 5 resume.

Yeah that’s a little bit surprising, what a weird but obviously honest and sincere coincidence.

It’s just surprising, because youd think hed be there.

Im surprised.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Yeah that’s a little bit surprising, what a weird but obviously honest and sincere coincidence.

It’s just surprising, because youd think hed be there.

Im surprised.

Maybe they're not ranking active players....

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[1987_Lakers]

and that's why kobes routinely talked about with jordan and lebron and duncans an afterthought. he flew under the radar with no pressure to be great and live up to expectations. zero media backlash. Duncan had it easy. nobodies debating Duncan on here. nobody cares about the guy.. players and fans rank him around 10th or so. we know he was basically Garnett with a better coach and more luck/health. it was more so the system which is why Kobe had more 50/60 point games in 1 week than he had in his life

Nobody cares about Kobe either. Only time people bring him up nowadays is when you are posting here.

Trust me, when you are gone. Kobe is rarely talked about on here.

[red1]

Very subjective lists IMO. Not a lot of substance there.


I go with the opinions of unbiased anchors like Shannon Sharpe and Nick Wright.

[1987_Lakers]

kobe/jordan/lebron are the 3 most polarizing nba players in history
Yea right. Kobe when he retired was slowly being forgotten on here, then his death brought back some popularity, but now he's slowly being forgotten again. 20 years from now he won't even be top 15 and will just be another Jerry West, great player but not really discussed among the new generation.

Luckily for LeBron he will have the most points in NBA history and he is already more beloved than Kareem (who has the current record) by media. That will make him relevant for generations.

[red1]

nick wright has Kobe top 10 and ahead of shaq or Duncan and said he's the real 06 mvp. he's actually a huge Kobe fan that has to trash him in any lebron debate to get lebron over. it's sad lol

thats completely reasonable. I agree with that.

[red1]

that 06 team was dogshit. I miss hating on those lakers.

[1987_Lakers]

fans and players bro. Henry Abbott forgot or tried to make us forget. kobe was still driving this place and every player/legend all time discussion in any interview. you yourself has spent more total time talking about Kobe on here over the past 10 years

I know. I saw it. in fact whenever I'm here I find myself defending kobe waaaaaaaaaaaay more often than trashing lebron. we can thank your 50 alts for that

The same fans and players who you shit on whenever they have Iverson in the top 25. :lol

[1987_Lakers]

oh I'm sorry. I thought we were talking about polarizing figures. Iversons probly top 10 for nba players in that department


get back on track retard

Which should tell you all you need to know.

[1987_Lakers]

Sorry, a polarizing figure doesn't get named the All-star MVP trophy named after him.

[red1]

the funny thing is even after trashing lebron I still give him his all time status because I respect the consensus of players and fans and who most guys pick. my personal opinion can't change the world


that's what separates us. you actually think your opinion matters

top 2?


where do you rank him bro. just curious after all these years.

[red1]

personally I think lebrons barely top 15 all time. I have him as a Karl malone/Charles Barkley type player without all his phoney accomplishments. but il say he's a top 5 or so player ever and top 3 polarizing player because that's what most people think..

I have humility. you need that. I don't need to hang onto some false revisionist perception to make up for stretch marks or virginity

you're the most active reject on this place over the past decade. you talk about the same thing day in day out for 15 years. I used to think you were wasting your life but you said you're in a wheelchair from a weight lifting accident. that's where the wheels nickname came from. the stretch marks makes it impossible for you to get naked in front of a woman. so the best I can do is suggest you get another hobby. this one isn't working out. your time is coming to an end. lebrons winding down. 2 or 3 more years tops. then what. debate the same old crap got another 15 years. 20 years. 30 years? then you're dead. do like me and take 10 months off. come on bro

you can do it. take the leap of faith. it's healthy


when I'm away from here I text my friends way more often

real people are way better than internet friends


come on kiddo. time to go.

I'm gonna go now. I hope you follow me

wheels? who's that?


I probably posted far less than you here when you add up all of the accounts - I post when I'm working

[red1]

oh shit you're arguing with the other guy.


ehh I dunno if I agree with top 15 malone barkley type. but thats your opinion.

[Kblaze8855]

the point isn't who was rightfully supposed to vote in 1980 for finals mvp. the point is you mocked the idea of media/producers deciding legacies and I'm telling you they've been doing that since the 80s

putting a back slash between the two doesn’t make the group of people who decide NBA awards the same as a network literally handing an award to somebody nobody decided won for the sake of a TV show and you holding it up as if the person who was voted the winner is worse because of it.

It’s like Shaq twisting an ankle and not being in the building for the MVP presentation in 2000 so the road producer just decided Allen Iverson gets it and then saying Shaq never even won mvp.

Long as you’re going to cite the award or lack of it as a factor, you clearly are valuing the standard process you’re just choosing to disregard the ridiculous circumstances that led them to throw out the vote because at the moment it fits your argument.

The people involved admitted it and called it a drain on their journalistic integrity to let cbs just change it for tv.

Kareem in fact did win the vote for 3 finals mvps he just wasn’t handed one of them do history ignores it.

If you don’t care who wins the votes don’t mention how many times people won.

[1987_Lakers]

Kenny says LeBron is top 5 earlier in this thread to borderline top 15 in a span of a few posts. :oldlol:

[Kblaze8855]

He’s saying he is willing to list LeBron as top-five, even though he doesn’t believe it because it’s public consensus, which he is clearly leaning on because the public consensus has Kobe higher than he tends to end up when people sit down and make lists. He’s saying you should list Kobe top 5 because some other people do even if you don’t think he is. That consensus decides and everyone’s individual lists don’t matter.

Not that any of it actually matters far as how good the players were but…whatever.

[HoopsNY]

Both have Magic ahead of Kareem. Completely makes the list irrelevant.

I'll stick to realgm lists.

Not really; back in the early to mid-90s, Kareem wasn't ahead of Magic. Every time I watched anything NBA related, the big 4 were always MJ, Magic, Larry, and Russell. Maybe it was spoken of in some articles, but I don't recall that being the preponderant viewpoint at the time.

[HoopsNY]

Yea right. Kobe when he retired was slowly being forgotten on here, then his death brought back some popularity, but now he's slowly being forgotten again. 20 years from now he won't even be top 15 and will just be another Jerry West, great player but not really discussed among the new generation.

Luckily for LeBron he will have the most points in NBA history and he is already more beloved than Kareem (who has the current record) by media. That will make him relevant for generations.

lol, what? :wtf: