Im Still Ballin
01-07-2023, 02:47 PM
I have recently gone over some old posts and came across some golden nuggets. I thought I'd make this thread to add these wise posts so I can find them later on. Will add more as time goes on -- it's mainly kblaze posts as of right now.
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?503110-Shawn-Marion-is-pissed-and-has-something-to-say&p=14562189&viewfull=1#post14562189
Not dribbling or taking people one on one on your way to 20 a game doesn’t make you a role player. People really seem to believe great basketball playing is exclusively isolation scoring no matter how many scorers clearly contribute less than all around guys. Some of the best ISO players of all time are less useful than a Shawn Marion or AK47 to any number of teams. You need to score…and not let the other team score more. Both are required no matter how little some like to acknowledge.
Guys who can get you like 15-20% of the required points while also defending the entire other team and playing key roles casual fans don’t care about are often more valuable than a guy who scores 20-25% of your required points and makes everything else more difficult…..
Being so good all around and just finding 20 unplanned points laying on the ground all the time is a positive not a negative. A big positive. Not needing plays dedicated to contribute to the scoreboard is amazing. Every coach ln every level wants a guy who can score 20+ without scheming him open and devoting plays to it. If he can also guard Tmac or Dirk and 15 rebounds?
Shiiiit. Coaches dream.
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?503110-Shawn-Marion-is-pissed-and-has-something-to-say&p=14562319&viewfull=1#post14562319
The salary cap diminishing the potential pay of stars so they all fall into the same range has nothing to do with the idea that a guy who was 13th in a league of 400 people in scoring while also being one of the better defenders and rebounders is a role player. Shawn Marion was the leading scorer on 2-3 teams. Not a go to scorer but leading one anyway.
You do like 22/12 with elite defense you aren’t a role player just because you don’t dribble much before you score. If getting a team “over the hump” decides who role players are there have been elite scorers who couldn’t.
Hell there are guys in the hall of fame for nothing but their shot creation and scoring who barely scored more than Marion in his prime while doing little else. This modern idea that everyone who isn’t likely to be the best player on a champion is to be belittled is a joke to me.
Given all the running and open shots it’s not impossible Marion could score 24-25 a game right now on an uptempo team. He was scoring 20+ in a slower one just finding baskets(granted in more minutes than he’d play now).
Talking about Tmac and Dirk. Like you have to be a top 15-20 all time offensive talent to not be a role player….
Marion would be the top or second scorer on like 70% of teams in history I bet.
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?503110-Shawn-Marion-is-pissed-and-has-something-to-say&p=14562348&viewfull=1#post14562348
Acknowledging the symbiotic relationship between great playmakers and finishers doesn’t mean I think the finishers are role players. Especially when they are the leading scorers on multiple 50+ win teams. Guys who can’t do anything but score often don’t score more than the 18-22 a game prime Marion would give you while being largely useless for any other purpose. The idea he’s a role player while doing 20/11 and being all nba is just symptomatic of the disease of elitism in modern fans. There’s apparently only elite and role players. You see it in all sports. QB throws for 33 touchdown and 7 picks and he’s garbage because he’s not Rodgers or Mahomes.
And here we have people acting like all manner of stars aren’t even good. Like there are two things. All timers and role players.
There are many things. Marion was shy of superstar but a solid deserving all star. Certainly not a role player just because of the method by which he’d score 20ish while not even being a guy who’s best aspect was scoring.
Glenn Robinson couldn’t do shit else and he’s gonna score the same 20 Marion would without needing the ball. Same for a lot of guys who were go to scorers. Marion isn’t what anyones ever considered a role player and that’s just how it is.
He doesn’t attack one on one. That’s all. Considering that most people who do will score less than him in the process and not contribute anything else it’s not much to use against him.
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?503110-Shawn-Marion-is-pissed-and-has-something-to-say&p=14562189&viewfull=1#post14562189
Not dribbling or taking people one on one on your way to 20 a game doesn’t make you a role player. People really seem to believe great basketball playing is exclusively isolation scoring no matter how many scorers clearly contribute less than all around guys. Some of the best ISO players of all time are less useful than a Shawn Marion or AK47 to any number of teams. You need to score…and not let the other team score more. Both are required no matter how little some like to acknowledge.
Guys who can get you like 15-20% of the required points while also defending the entire other team and playing key roles casual fans don’t care about are often more valuable than a guy who scores 20-25% of your required points and makes everything else more difficult…..
Being so good all around and just finding 20 unplanned points laying on the ground all the time is a positive not a negative. A big positive. Not needing plays dedicated to contribute to the scoreboard is amazing. Every coach ln every level wants a guy who can score 20+ without scheming him open and devoting plays to it. If he can also guard Tmac or Dirk and 15 rebounds?
Shiiiit. Coaches dream.
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?503110-Shawn-Marion-is-pissed-and-has-something-to-say&p=14562319&viewfull=1#post14562319
The salary cap diminishing the potential pay of stars so they all fall into the same range has nothing to do with the idea that a guy who was 13th in a league of 400 people in scoring while also being one of the better defenders and rebounders is a role player. Shawn Marion was the leading scorer on 2-3 teams. Not a go to scorer but leading one anyway.
You do like 22/12 with elite defense you aren’t a role player just because you don’t dribble much before you score. If getting a team “over the hump” decides who role players are there have been elite scorers who couldn’t.
Hell there are guys in the hall of fame for nothing but their shot creation and scoring who barely scored more than Marion in his prime while doing little else. This modern idea that everyone who isn’t likely to be the best player on a champion is to be belittled is a joke to me.
Given all the running and open shots it’s not impossible Marion could score 24-25 a game right now on an uptempo team. He was scoring 20+ in a slower one just finding baskets(granted in more minutes than he’d play now).
Talking about Tmac and Dirk. Like you have to be a top 15-20 all time offensive talent to not be a role player….
Marion would be the top or second scorer on like 70% of teams in history I bet.
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?503110-Shawn-Marion-is-pissed-and-has-something-to-say&p=14562348&viewfull=1#post14562348
Acknowledging the symbiotic relationship between great playmakers and finishers doesn’t mean I think the finishers are role players. Especially when they are the leading scorers on multiple 50+ win teams. Guys who can’t do anything but score often don’t score more than the 18-22 a game prime Marion would give you while being largely useless for any other purpose. The idea he’s a role player while doing 20/11 and being all nba is just symptomatic of the disease of elitism in modern fans. There’s apparently only elite and role players. You see it in all sports. QB throws for 33 touchdown and 7 picks and he’s garbage because he’s not Rodgers or Mahomes.
And here we have people acting like all manner of stars aren’t even good. Like there are two things. All timers and role players.
There are many things. Marion was shy of superstar but a solid deserving all star. Certainly not a role player just because of the method by which he’d score 20ish while not even being a guy who’s best aspect was scoring.
Glenn Robinson couldn’t do shit else and he’s gonna score the same 20 Marion would without needing the ball. Same for a lot of guys who were go to scorers. Marion isn’t what anyones ever considered a role player and that’s just how it is.
He doesn’t attack one on one. That’s all. Considering that most people who do will score less than him in the process and not contribute anything else it’s not much to use against him.