The Ringers updated top 100.

[Kblaze8855]

Top 20


. 1. Giannis 2. Jokic
3. Steph
4. Luka
5. KD
6. Embiid
7. Tatum
8. LeBron
9. AD
10. Zion
11. Ja
12. Book
13. Donovan
14. Shai
15. PG13
16. Pascal
17. Jimmy
18. Dame
19. Harden
20. Haliburton



The rest:


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[Real Men Wear Green]

I wonder if I'm a Paul George "hater." I don't hate him I just don't think he's nearly as good as the rest of the world does. To me Jaylen Brown is easily better.

[Manny98]

Honestly not a bad list from the Ringer

[Manny98]

I wonder if I'm a Paul George "hater." I don't hate him I just don't think he's nearly as good as the rest of the world does. To me Jaylen Brown is easily better.
Jaylen Brown isn't easily better than PG at anything :facepalm

Take off your biased Celtic fan specs for a minute

[Real Men Wear Green]

Jaylen Brown isn't easily better than PG at anything :facepalm

Take off your biased Celtic fan specs for a minute
He averages more points and rebounds while shooting better from the field overall. Here's a question you wont be able to answer: Why do the Celtics have the best record in the NBA? What makes them a good team?

[NBAGOAT]

He averages more points and rebounds while shooting better from the field overall. Here's a question you wont be able to answer: Why do the Celtics have the best record in the NBA? What makes them a good team?

george is a better defender and playmaker and their efficiency is identical. Celtics have the best record for many reasons. Brown is a good 2nd guy, tatum has become a MVP candidate, and the Celtics are the most talented 1-8 in the league

[dankok8]

Very good list actually

[tontoz]

In b4 the Steph trolls.

[FultzNationRISE]

Very good list actually


Very good list??

The best player in the league is ranked #8 :roll:

[Manny98]

He averages more points and rebounds while shooting better from the field overall. Here's a question you wont be able to answer: Why do the Celtics have the best record in the NBA? What makes them a good team?
PG is more efficient, better defender, much better ball handler and playmaker.

What has the Celtics record got to do with Jaylen being better than PG

[Real Men Wear Green]

george is a better defender and playmaker and their efficiency is identical. Celtics have the best record for many reasons. Brown is a good 2nd guy, tatum has become a MVP candidate, and the Celtics are the most talented 1-8 in the league

It's a question that Manny can't answer not the general public. He can't answer it because it would require pointing out that some of the Celtics are good players. Regarding Brown vs. George of there efficiency is similar it is with Brown hitting a higher percentage of his shots and averaging 3 more points. George is a better passer but whoever is the better defender doesn't have a major advantage.

[Manny98]

It's a question that Manny can't answer not the general public. He can't answer it because it would require pointing out that some of the Celtics are good players. Regarding Brown vs. George of there efficiency is similar it is with Brown hitting a higher percentage of his shots and averaging 3 more points. George is a better passer but whoever is the better defender doesn't have a major advantage.
Scoring is equal

Shooting - PG wins

Playmaking/Handling - PG wins

Defense - PG wins

On court impact - PG wins easily (stats back it up)

Brown has no case stop it

[Real Men Wear Green]

27 doesn't equal 24. Brown is an excellent midrange shooter. And of course you didn't answer the question.

[Manny98]

Because the question is irrelevant

Jaylen isn't better than PG, he's scoring less because he has to be more of a playmaker for his team, PG is still more efficient and better at literally every other aspect of basketball

[NBAGOAT]

It's a question that Manny can't answer not the general public. He can't answer it because it would require pointing out that some of the Celtics are good players. Regarding Brown vs. George of there efficiency is similar it is with Brown hitting a higher percentage of his shots and averaging 3 more points. George is a better passer but whoever is the better defender doesn't have a major advantage.

fair enough but efficiency is identical. 58.8ts% for both. Hitting more shots doesnt matter at all when every star takes a different percentage of shots from 3. Playmaking is a big part of leading a modern nba offense as a guard/wing, imo that gap more than makes up the 3ppg. Right now brown's mostly a play finisher and shotmaker, george is a guy you can run your offense through who can attract doubles and find open guys even though he's not close the best. The clippers for all their issues are like 7th in defense with no elite defenders on the team and multiple bad defenders in the rotation, george is a significant reason for that and most numbers out there say there's a gap between him and brown's defense.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Because the question is irrelevantBecause you're basically a bot and the question is beyond the limitations of your programming.


Jaylen isn't better than PG, he's scoring less because he has to be more of a playmaker for his team, PG is still more efficient and better at literally every other aspect of basketball
So the Clippers don't need more points? Don't miss Kawhi Leonard's scoring when he's out? You're inability to give a Celtic credit is forcing you to be stupid. You are probably not that intelligent but being a bot doesn't help.

[Full Court]

There is absolutely no justification for putting Lebron ahead of AD.

[Manny98]

Because you're basically a bot and the question is beyond the limitations of your programming.


So the Clippers don't need more points? Don't miss Kawhi Leonard's scoring when he's out? You're inability to give a Celtic credit is forcing you to be stupid. You are probably not that intelligent but being a bot doesn't help.

I just said they're equal as scorers, are you going to continue to not acknowledge PG being better at everything else and having a way higher on court impact?

[Manny98]

jaylen brown isn't better than Paul George. but I would rather have jaylen cause I know he would go all out. PG just lacks effort. it's like he's just out there to collect a pay cheque
Give me the guy that's elite on both ends!

[Real Men Wear Green]

I just said they're equal as scorers, are you going to continue to not acknowledge PG being better at everything else and having a way higher on court impact?
24 does not equal 27 and I clearly don't agree about their impact. I don't have to think that just because you say it.I don't think I have hidden my lack of respect for your opinions.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Fun side fact: George has been the wrong end of two of the worst trades in modern NBA history. I do realize that my opinion of him is in the minority but I just don't think he's a great player anymore.

[NBAGOAT]

Fun side fact: George has been the wrong end of two of the worst trades in modern NBA history. I do realize that my opinion of him is in the minority but I just don't think he's a great player anymore.

oladipo/sabonis was a win/win, that's not in any worst trade of all time conversation. Shai will end up being pretty bad most likely but that could all get cancelled out with one title. still, dont see how the george trade is even in the same convo as the gobert trade along with some others. he's not what he used to be but he's still a top 15-20 player clearly

[Axe]

George's tenure in okc was miserable. But during that time, the stacked warriors already had kd. So i guess it's understandable if he didn't have a meaningful career with that team, that time when they had carmelo also.

[tontoz]

George's tenure in okc was miserable. But during that time, the stacked warriors already had kd. So i guess it's understandable if he didn't have a meaningful career with that team, that time when they had carmelo also.



PG 13 was 3rd in the MVP voting in OKC :oldlol:

[Axe]

PG 13 was 3rd in the MVP voting in OKC :oldlol:
And yet, it didn't stop his former teammate at all from winning over him. Nice try tho uncle. ;)

[Real Men Wear Green]

oladipo/sabonis was a win/win, that's not in any worst trade of all time conversation. Shai will end up being pretty bad most likely but that could all get cancelled out with one title. still, dont see how the george trade is even in the same convo as the gobert trade along with some others. he's not what he used to be but he's still a top 15-20 player clearly
IfOladipo hadn't gotten hurt the Pacers own that trade. In 2017 he was arguably as good as George by himself and then they also got Sabonis.

[RRR3]

IfOladipo hadn't gotten hurt the Pacers own that trade. In 2017 he was arguably as good as George by himself and then they also got Sabonis.
But he did get hurt. If we're playing the if game, we might as well say Bill Walton is top 15 all time.

[tontoz]

And yet, it didn't stop his former teammate at all from winning over him. Nice try tho uncle. ;)

WTF is that supposed to mean? He had his best season in OKC in spite of playing the.last few weeks with a bad shoulder. He had surgery after the season.

[Manny98]

24 does not equal 27 and I clearly don't agree about their impact. I don't have to think that just because you say it.I don't think I have hidden my lack of respect for your opinions.
It's not a matter of opinion Paul George is FACTUALLY more impactful than Jaylen

On/off
PG +9.4
Jaylen -2.2

Box plus minus

PG 3.5
Jaylen 1.7

RAPTOR

PG +6.3
Jaylen +0.3 :roll:

[Real Men Wear Green]

But he did get hurt. If we're playing the if game, we might as well say Bill Walton is top 15 all time.

The wisdom of a trade is based on the value of the players at the time. If a team signs an MVP and he treats his all in training camp do we suddenly call the signing foolish?

[RRR3]

The wisdom of a trade is based on the value of the players at the time. If a team signs an MVP and he treats his all in training camp do we suddenly call the signing foolish?
That would only make sense if Oladipo had elite value when he was traded for PG :facepalm

In case you forgot, he was a role player who had been in the league for a while without making significant progress until he went to Indiana and broke out.

[Real Men Wear Green]

It's not a matter of opinion Paul George is FACTUALLY more impactful than Jaylen

On/off
PG +9.4
Jaylen -2.2

Box plus minus

PG 3.5
Jaylen 1.7

RAPTOR

PG +6.3
Jaylen +0.3 :roll:

You are quoting a bunch of numbers you don't understand. On/off stars have more to do with the players around a player than the individual player himself. He had the job of carrying the offense when Tatum isn't in the game and that hurts it. Same thing with plus/minus. Jayson Tatum is #1 in plus minus and yet you refuse to acknowledge him as an MVP candidate. So is Tatum an elite player now? Let's see some consistency with your logic. And tell us all what RAPTOR means since you think it's important while you're at it. I guarantee you have no idea how that number is formulated.

[Real Men Wear Green]

That would only make sense if Oladipo had elite value when he was traded for PG :facepalm

In case you forgot, he was a role player who had been in the league for a while without making significant progress until he went to Indiana and broke out.

GMs win and lose trades based on their ability to see the talent in a player that the team they are trading with doesn't.

[NBAGOAT]

IfOladipo hadn't gotten hurt the Pacers own that trade. In 2017 he was arguably as good as George by himself and then they also got Sabonis.

oladipo didnt have a year that compares to george in 2019 and 17 was most likely an outlier year for oladipo. He wasnt that efficient any year before or the year after before he got hurt. Even if he didnt get hurt, you traded 2 borderline all stars for an all-nba player who you got 3 years from. That's nowhere close to worst trade of all time. Sabonis is very dominant this year and arguably should make the all-nba team but he wasnt this great with the pacers

[Real Men Wear Green]

oladipo didnt have a year that compares to george in 2019 and 17 was most likely an outlier year for oladipo. He wasnt that efficient any year before or the year after before he got hurt. Even if he didnt get hurt, you traded 2 borderline all stars for an all-nba player who you got 3 years from. That's nowhere close to worst trade of all time. Sabonis is very dominant this year and arguably should make the all-nba team but he wasnt this great with the pacers

Oladipo averaged 23 and 19 before he got hurt. George's career average is 20.

[Manny98]

You are quoting a bunch of numbers you don't understand. On/off stars have more to do with the players around a player than the individual player himself. He had the job of carrying the offense when Tatum isn't in the game and that hurts it. Same thing with plus/minus. Jayson Tatum is #1 in plus minus and yet you refuse to acknowledge him as an MVP candidate. So is Tatum an elite player now? Let's see some consistency with your logic. And tell us all what RAPTOR means since you think it's important while you're at it. I guarantee you have no idea how that number is formulated.
The point is that PG destroys Brown in almost every advanced stay you can think of

[NBAGOAT]

Oladipo averaged 23 and 19 before he got hurt. George's career average is 20.

he averaged 19 in 2018 but on like 52ts%, he wasnt that great on offense. george is a 23ppg guy since 2014 and efficient too and a perennial all-nba guy. 19ppg on 52ts% even with oladipo's great defense was a borderline all star

[Real Men Wear Green]

The point is that PG destroys Brown in almost every advanced stay you can think of

The point is something you are completely avoiding. Everything ï said about your posts had been true.

[Manny98]

Not avoiding anything :oldlol:

[Real Men Wear Green]

he averaged 19 in 2018 but on like 52ts%, he wasnt that great on offense. george is a 23ppg guy since 2014 and efficient too and a perennial all-nba guy. 19ppg on 52ts% even with oladipo's great defense was a borderline all star

2019 and 2017 George was short of 23ppg. He is better than oladipo to be clear but pre injury oladipo being able to approach his level along with Sabonis means that indy actually got the better assets. Unfortunately Oladipo then got hurt.

[Axe]

WTF is that supposed to mean? He had his best season in OKC in spite of playing the.last few weeks with a bad shoulder. He had surgery after the season.
But he still played for a winning team when he came to okc, eh? Just that they didn't do well in the postseason unlike when he was still on his original team.

[ShawkFactory]

I'd definitely take PG over Jaylen if I could guarantee health. It's kind of close I guess but PG does more things at a higher level.

The only issue I have with this list is Butler is too low. Everything else looks pretty on point tbh.

[tontoz]

But he still played for a winning team when he came to okc, eh? Just that they didn't do well in the postseason unlike when he was still on his original team.

He was a wreck in the playoffs. After the season he actually had surgery on both shoulders.



George had two surgical procedures late last spring to repair significant pathology in each of his shoulders: A repair of a partial supraspinatus tear in his right shoulder was completed in May, and a repair of a small labrum tear in his left followed a month later.Nov 16, 2019

[Axe]

And he was never the same player again? Ok gotcha uncle.

[kawhileonard2]

Kawhi 22nd is a joke.