The Biden documents

[Hey Yo]

Stone cold busted.


Jig's up, Democommies

[Hey Yo]

Biden:



My lawyers just stumbled on these documents

They definitely weren't looking for them



:roll:

[bladefd]

Busted? No, Biden lawyers found them, and they were the ones who contacted the achieve office & informed the DOJ. They promptly returned all of the documents. DOJ assigned an investigator (Trump-appointed investigator btw so no accusations of being pattisan) to look further into it.

[Lakers Legend#32]

Busted? No, Biden lawyers found them, and they were the ones who contacted the achieve office & informed the DOJ. They promptly returned all of the documents. DOJ assigned an investigator (Trump-appointed investigator btw so no accusations of being pattisan) to look further into it.

MAGAS lose again.

[Patrick Chewing]

I hope they will arrest him for blatantly breaking the law. Democrats think they're above the law and I love when they get a rude awakening.

[Lakers Legend#32]

Republicans: "How dare Joe Biden do something we say isn't a big deal when Donald Trump does it worse!"

[Norcaliblunt]

Lol. It’s like a murderer turning himself in. Well you still broke the law mofo.

[BigKobeFan]

Having nuclear secrets after your presidency is a non intent crime. So merely having possession of it is a crime in and of itself

[Jasper]

I hope they will arrest him for blatantly breaking the law. Democrats think they're above the law and I love when they get a rude awakening.

me as well!!!!
Trump will lead him to the dungeons (throw all of the politicians that are millionaires and billionaires into the brink. LETS START FRESH !!!

[Patrick Chewing]

This is why I will never respect Democrats. They commit the crimes they accuse others of and then brag in your face about it. Then, when caught, they bend the rules or change the definition of things so that they can escape justice. And since they are protected by the mainstream media, they know that no one will press them on it and they will escape any kind of punishment or bad publicity.

But if a Republican were to do something illegal or unethical......holy shit that Republican must be hung, drawn, and quartered on live television for the world to see.

[Lakers Legend#32]

If you don't know the difference between discovering documents and immediately alerting the archives,

and ignoring repeated requests plus denying you have them,

you might be a MAGA.

[bladefd]

This is why I will never respect Democrats. They commit the crimes they accuse others of and then brag in your face about it. Then, when caught, they bend the rules or change the definition of things so that they can escape justice. And since they are protected by the mainstream media, they know that no one will press them on it and they will escape any kind of punishment or bad publicity.

But if a Republican were to do something illegal or unethical......holy shit that Republican must be hung, drawn, and quartered on live television for the world to see.

So are you saying Trump didn't take classified documents, didn't lie, his lawyers didn't lie, and they didn't covertly move the boxes with classified documents after receiving subpoena?

Biden didn't get caught. His assistants were cleaning his office and found them, reported it, and returned them next day. What rule was bent? DOJ assigned an investigator (who is Trump-appointed btw) to look into it. inb4 BigKobeFan moron bumps this thread every week asking "Have them charged Biden yet?" and asking in Trump thread "Have they found anything yet?"

[Patrick Chewing]

So are you saying Trump didn't take classified documents, didn't lie, his lawyers didn't lie, and they didn't covertly move the boxes with classified documents after receiving subpoena?

Biden didn't get caught. His assistants were cleaning his office and found them, reported it, and returned them next day. What rule was bent? DOJ assigned an investigator (who is Trump-appointed btw) to look into it. inb4 BigKobeFan moron bumps this thread every week asking "Have them charged Biden yet?" and asking in Trump thread "Have they found anything yet?"

What do you mean Biden didn't get caught?? He's not allowed to have them!

[Hey Yo]

So are you saying Trump didn't take classified documents, didn't lie, his lawyers didn't lie, and they didn't covertly move the boxes with classified documents after receiving subpoena?

Biden didn't get caught. His assistants were cleaning his office and found them, reported it, and returned them next day. What rule was bent? DOJ assigned an investigator (who is Trump-appointed btw) to look into it. inb4 BigKobeFan moron bumps this thread every week asking "Have them charged Biden yet?" and asking in Trump thread "Have they found anything yet?"

They were found 6 days before the midterm and just now being reported?? If there's nothing to see or any wrong doing on Biden's part, why the wait?

[BigKobeFan]

They were found 6 days before the midterm and just now being reported?? If there's nothing to see or any wrong doing on Biden's part, why the wait?

They were only released because he knows the gop will investigate him. Instead of having something found by gop, he purposely turns it over. He knew he had the documents

[warriorfan]

So are you saying Trump didn't take classified documents, didn't lie, his lawyers didn't lie, and they didn't covertly move the boxes with classified documents after receiving subpoena?

Biden didn't get caught. His assistants were cleaning his office and found them, reported it, and returned them next day. What rule was bent? DOJ assigned an investigator (who is Trump-appointed btw) to look into it. inb4 BigKobeFan moron bumps this thread every week asking "Have them charged Biden yet?" and asking in Trump thread "Have they found anything yet?"

“I didn’t know” doesn’t exonerate you from a crime that was committed. :lol

so low iq

[Patrick Chewing]

Blade is a disingenuous Biden bootlicker. **** that guy.

[Nanners]

This is why I will never respect Democrats. They commit the crimes they accuse others of and then brag in your face about it. Then, when caught, they bend the rules or change the definition of things so that they can escape justice. And since they are protected by the mainstream media, they know that no one will press them on it and they will escape any kind of punishment or bad publicity.

But if a Republican were to do something illegal or unethical......holy shit that Republican must be hung, drawn, and quartered on live television for the world to see.

This situation is so much more absurd and disgusting than simple double standards.

All of the supposedly classified documents that Trump had at Mar a Lago were there legally - when Trump was president he said all of the documents at mar a lago were declassified, and the president can declassify any document by simply saying that he would like it to be declassified. The illegal FBI raid on Trumps home was ~5 months ago... if Trump actually broke any laws, when exactly is he going to be charged with a crime?

Joe Biden was only vice president when he took these documents and left them at his "think tank", and the vice president does not have any declassification powers. Unlike Trump, Joe Biden actually violated the law when he left these documents at his think tank... but we all know the FBI wont be raiding his house any time soon.

[Hey Yo]

2nd batch of classified documents found in Biden's garage in Wilmington.


:lol

[Patrick Chewing]

MAGAs are seething :roll:

I wish you were a smarter person.

[Patrick Chewing]

This situation is so much more absurd and disgusting than simple double standards.

All of the supposedly classified documents that Trump had at Mar a Lago were there legally - when Trump was president he said all of the documents at mar a lago were declassified, and the president can declassify any document by simply saying that he would like it to be declassified. The illegal FBI raid on Trumps home was ~5 months ago... if Trump actually broke any laws, when exactly is he going to be charged with a crime?

Joe Biden was only vice president when he took these documents and left them at his "think tank", and the vice president does not have any declassification powers. Unlike Trump, Joe Biden actually violated the law when he left these documents at his think tank... but we all know the FBI wont be raiding his house any time soon.

I'm tired of trying to cross the aisle and unite with Democrats. It will not work. Democrats are vile subhuman cockroaches that would stick a knife in any Republican and watch the country burn from within. I want Republicans to go nuclear on Biden and his cronies. I want to see arrests being made. I want Biden in prison. Enough is enough. The double standard needs to stop.

[Nanners]

2nd batch of classified documents found in Biden's garage in Wilmington.


:lol

:roll:

I'm sure the FBI will be raiding him any day now

[ZenMaster]

This situation is so much more absurd and disgusting than simple double standards.

All of the supposedly classified documents that Trump had at Mar a Lago were there legally - when Trump was president he said all of the documents at mar a lago were declassified, and the president can declassify any document by simply saying that he would like it to be declassified. The illegal FBI raid on Trumps home was ~5 months ago... if Trump actually broke any laws, when exactly is he going to be charged with a crime?

Joe Biden was only vice president when he took these documents and left them at his "think tank", and the vice president does not have any declassification powers. Unlike Trump, Joe Biden actually violated the law when he left these documents at his think tank... but we all know the FBI wont be raiding his house any time soon.

I read somewhere that high level Chinese businessmen had access to the think thank as well, and that this think thank was basically funded by the CCP is paying out a million a year annually to Joe as a no show job.

[Hey Yo]

:roll:

I'm sure the FBI will be raiding him any day now

Peter Doocy just asked him "how can you be so careless leaving classified documents in your garage, next to your corvette??"

Biden: "the garage was locked"

:crazysam:


:roll:

[Nanners]

I read somewhere that high level Chinese businessmen had access to the think thank as well, and that this think thank funded that's basically funded by the CCP is paying out a million a year annually to Joe as a no show job.

Wouldnt surprise me at all, the notion that Joe Biden has a "think tank" is laughable... throughout Bidens ~50 years in politics he has repeatedly made it clear that he has no interest in thinking

[Nanners]

Peter Doocy just asked him "how can you be so careless leaving classified documents in your garage, next to your corvette??"

Biden: "the garage was locked"

:crazysam:


:roll:

I am shocked that Bidens handlers would allow him to attempt to answer any questions about these documents :oldlol:

[Patrick Chewing]

AG Garland will be forced to create a special counsel. There cannot be two separate forms of justice for Republicans and Democrats.

What are the odds Biden steps down as President?? :lol

[theman93]

Waiting for the FBI to raid his home at any moment now. :lol

[The Hick]

I read somewhere that high level Chinese businessmen had access to the think thank as well, and that this think thank funded that's basically funded by the CCP is paying out a million a year annually to Joe as a no show job.



The warrant states that Trump is being investigated for violating the Espionage Act which carries a min sentence of 10 years and a max of death penalty.

So we can't rule it out :oldlol:

Can a sitting president be executed for treason? :oldlol:

[theman93]

Peter Doocy just asked him "how can you be so careless leaving classified documents in your garage, next to your corvette??"

Biden: "the garage was locked"

:crazysam:


:roll:

I thought you were trolling but he really said that LOL

https://twitter.com/ClayTravis/status/1613566602594713600?s=20&t=dgko7C4Q5-gjE3Ut7sg6Hg

[The Hick]

So are you saying Trump didn't take classified documents, didn't lie, his lawyers didn't lie, and they didn't covertly move the boxes with classified documents after receiving subpoena?

Biden didn't get caught. His assistants were cleaning his office and found them, reported it, and returned them next day. What rule was bent? DOJ assigned an investigator (who is Trump-appointed btw) to look into it. inb4 BigKobeFan moron bumps this thread every week asking "Have them charged Biden yet?" and asking in Trump thread "Have they found anything yet?"


If you don't know the difference between discovering documents and immediately alerting the archives,

and ignoring repeated requests plus denying you have them,

you might be a MAGA.



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FmOEmQRaYAAsaFi?format=jpg

[Hey Yo]

Blade claims he didn't vote for Biden.

[ZenMaster]

Wouldnt surprise me at all, the notion that Joe Biden has a "think tank" is laughable... throughout Bidens ~50 years in politics he has repeatedly made it clear that he has no interest in thinking

Might be bullshit though about who specifically had access though, but large donations from China to the university where the offices were located seems very real.

[BigKobeFan]

So they found top secret nuclear secrets in bidens garage

[Patrick Chewing]

Notice how Off the Court has avoided this thread. He's not stupid enough like blade to defend Biden when it's so obvious a crime was committed here. blade is so addicted to defending Democrats at all costs that it clouds his judgment and reality.

[Nanners]

Might be bullshit though about who specifically had access though, but large donations from China to the university where the offices were located seems very real.

Ultimately it shouldnt really matter who had access... from a legal perspective at least.

The bottom line is that when Biden was VP (a position that does not have the ability to declassify docs), he stored classified documents at a NGO and in his garage... yet his FBI raided Trumps house over the fact that Trump was storing about a dozen documents that he declassified in the safe inside his home office.

[bladefd]

They were found 6 days before the midterm and just now being reported?? If there's nothing to see or any wrong doing on Biden's part, why the wait?

Ask the DOJ and archive department.

[BigKobeFan]

Ultimately it shouldnt really matter who had access... from a legal perspective at least.

The bottom line is that when Biden was VP (a position that does not have the ability to declassify docs), he stored classified documents at a NGO and in his garage... yet his FBI raided Trumps house over the fact that Trump was storing about a dozen documents that he declassified in the safe inside his home office.

they forced trump to use a lock, key, and a safe, while biden throws nuclear secrets in his garage.

[bladefd]

This situation is so much more absurd and disgusting than simple double standards.

All of the supposedly classified documents that Trump had at Mar a Lago were there legally - when Trump was president he said all of the documents at mar a lago were declassified, and the president can declassify any document by simply saying that he would like it to be declassified. The illegal FBI raid on Trumps home was ~5 months ago... if Trump actually broke any laws, when exactly is he going to be charged with a crime?

Joe Biden was only vice president when he took these documents and left them at his "think tank", and the vice president does not have any declassification powers. Unlike Trump, Joe Biden actually violated the law when he left these documents at his think tank... but we all know the FBI wont be raiding his house any time soon.

Declassification has to be in writing from when he was president. Otherwise, nothing is stopping someone like Trump from lying about declassifying when caught outside of office even if he didn't declassify in the first place.

[Nanners]

they forced trump to use a lock, key, and a safe, while biden throws nuclear secrets in his garage.

More importantly - Trump declassified the documents in his possession, while Biden did not have the ability to declassify any of these documents that he took home while VP

[bladefd]

Peter Doocy just asked him "how can you be so careless leaving classified documents in your garage, next to your corvette??"

Biden: "the garage was locked"

:crazysam:


:roll:

Yeah, that's obviously a weak reply. Those documents should never have been there.

[BigKobeFan]

More importantly - Trump declassified the documents in his possession, while Biden did not have the ability to declassify any of these documents that he took home while VP

do you think he sold nuclear secrets to china or ukraine?

[Patrick Chewing]

Declassification has to be in writing from when he was president. Otherwise, nothing is stopping someone like Trump from lying about declassifying when caught outside of office even if he didn't declassify in the first place.

Why would Trump need to lie? And stop talking about Trump. The focus is now on Biden who should be removed from office. And since this crime was committed while he was a Vice President and not President, I fully expect him to be arrested and hung.


It's over, blade. It's over.

[bladefd]

More importantly - Trump declassified the documents in his possession, while Biden did not have the ability to declassify any of these documents that he took home while VP

Really? And you would know how?

Why wasn't that his defense when the archive reached out to him over and over again last year and half? Why only when he got caught with the raid that he said he already declassified those documents?

[Nanners]

Declassification has to be in writing from when he was president. Otherwise, nothing is stopping someone like Trump from lying about declassifying when caught outside of office even if he didn't declassify in the first place.

Wrong

The president has complete authority to declassify anything he wants, and there is no specific process required to do this.

Anyway, lets pretend for a second that Trump did violate the law when he stored classified documents in his home office... if this is the case, then that means Joe Biden is guilty of flagrantly violating this law when as VP he decided to store classified documents at his so-called "think tank" and inside his garage?

[bladefd]

Wrong

The president has complete authority to declassify anything he wants, and there is no specific process required to do this.

Anyway, lets pretend for a second that Trump did violate the law when he stored classified documents in his home office... if this is the case, then that means Joe Biden is guilty of flagrantly violating this law when as VP he decided to store classified documents at his so-called "think tank" and inside his garage?

It has to be in writing and recorded. There was no record of it.

I would say that Biden has no obstruction of justice aspect here. He didn't try to lie about it or refuse to comply with subpoenas. His aides found it, reported it themselves and returned it. Trump was refusing to return and went through steps to hide the documents, including moving the boxes after being served with a subpoena.

[Nanners]

Really? And you would know how?

Why wasn't that his defense when the archive reached out to him over and over again last year and half? Why only when he got caught with the raid that he said he already declassified those documents?

Because he said so, and thats all the president has to do.

If I am wrong, prove it... it should be easy for you to find and cite the specific law that lays out the legal process a president must go through to declassify a document, if that law actually exists (spoiler: it doesnt).

[Patrick Chewing]

blade is sweating

[BigKobeFan]

It has to be in writing and recorded. There was no record of it.

I would say that Biden has no obstruction of justice aspect here. He didn't try to lie about it or refuse to comply with subpoenas. His aides found it, reported it themselves and returned it. Trump was refusing to return and went through steps to hide the documents, including moving the boxes after being served with a subpoena.

This clown just keeps changing the bar. When trump had documents, we told him he can declassify it. At the time, he said, as long as he is in possession of it, he is guilty. Now biden is in possession of it, but he's not guilty because he did not hide from subpoenas.

[Proctor]

Peter Doocy just asked him "how can you be so careless leaving classified documents in your garage, next to your corvette??"

Biden: "the garage was locked"

:crazysam:


:roll:
:roll:

[bladefd]

Because he said so, and thats all the president has to do.

If I am wrong, prove it... it should be easy for you to find and cite the specific law that lays out the legal process a president must go through to declassify a document, if that law actually exists (spoiler: it doesnt).

"In all cases, however, a formal procedure is required so governmental agencies know with certainty what has been declassified and decisions memorialized. A federal appeals court in a 2020 Freedom of Information Act case, New York Times v. CIA, underscored that point: “Declassification cannot occur unless designated officials follow specified procedures,” the court said."
https://www.americanbar.org/news/abanews/aba-news-archives/2022/10/fact-check-presidential-authority/

The agencies that the classified documents were from had no idea the documents were ever declassified. So it sounds like a defense used by Trump when caught with his hand in the cookie jar. "b-b-but this is my first cookie!!" or "I wasn't going to eat the cookie!"

[Nanners]

"In all cases, however, a formal procedure is required so governmental agencies know with certainty what has been declassified and decisions memorialized. A federal appeals court in a 2020 Freedom of Information Act case, New York Times v. CIA, underscored that point: “Declassification cannot occur unless designated officials follow specified procedures,” the court said."
https://www.americanbar.org/news/abanews/aba-news-archives/2022/10/fact-check-presidential-authority/

Like I said, cite the specific law that lays out this legal process... you do understand the difference between a law and a "fact checking" libtard blog post, right? :oldlol:


The agencies that the classified documents were from had no idea the documents were ever declassified. So it sounds like a defense used by Trump when caught with his hand in the cookie jar. "b-b-but this is my first cookie!!" or "I wasn't going to eat the cookie!"

How do you know this? Which agencies were the declassified documents from exactly? How exactly do you know that these agencies had no idea that Trump wanted to declassify these docs? Can you cite a specific law that says the president can only declassify a document if he notifies the agency where the doc originated?

Lets say that Trump didnt follow the correct process... he still had the legal ability to declassify, so ultimately he is guilty of not following the correct process?

How exactly are you capable of believing that Trump violated the law (a law that you cant cite) for failing to follow the correct process to declassify documents, while completely ignoring the fact that there are 2 known instances (so far) of Biden flagrantly violating this imaginary law?

[Nanners]

blade is sweating

No hes not... that would require some level of self awareness and humility

[Patrick Chewing]

And we have a special counsel....:banana:

[BigKobeFan]

And we have a special counsel....:banana:

which GOP member is on the intelligence committee?

[BigKobeFan]

The deep state is turning on Biden. it is their way to get him to not run again in 2024. They want their new darling, gruesom in there for 2024.

[Hey Yo]

White House statement:

The classified documents were "inadvertently misplaced"


So in other words, Biden 'mishandled classified documents' which is certainly against the law.

[Patrick Chewing]

which GOP member is on the intelligence committee?

Not sure which Republicans are on that committee since the new Congress came about, but I do know McCarthy demoted Schiff, Swallwell, who were both on the Intelligence committee, and Ilhan Omar from her Foreign Affairs post. :lol

https://freebeacon.com/latest-news/kevin-mccarthy-demotes-three-democrats-who-cannot-get-a-security-clearance-lied-to-the-american-public-or-made-anti-semitic-comments/

[BigKobeFan]

White House statement:

The classified documents were "inadvertently misplaced"


So in other words, Biden 'mishandled classified documents' which is certainly against the law.

HAHAHAHAH. You can't make this stuff up. But i still believe the deep state is turning on biden so they can put Gruesom in his place.

[Lakers Legend#32]

blade is sweating

You're so fat, you sweat when you eat.

[Patrick Chewing]

You're so fat, you sweat when you eat.

Hmm you have lost twice here with this response. For starters, it shows us how rattled you people are now that the shoe is on the other foot, that you resort to childish insults. And on top of that, the insult doesn't even apply to me. I am muscular and I bench two of you pencil-neck dweebs on a daily. So if you think I crawl into the fetal position and cry uncontrollably like you idiots do when I own you, think again. That shit don't affect me, son. Keep calling me fat you hermit incels. Last laugh will always be taken by me.

[Jasper]

Biden admitted he had no issues allowing his attorneys to take back to Washington the documents from keylargo,PA.

[Jasper]

Wrong

The president has complete authority to declassify anything he wants, and there is no specific process required to do this.

Anyway, lets pretend for a second that Trump did violate the law when he stored classified documents in his home office... if this is the case, then that means Joe Biden is guilty of flagrantly violating this law when as VP he decided to store classified documents at his so-called "think tank" and inside his garage? :facepalm

[bladefd]

Like I said, cite the specific law that lays out this legal process... you do understand the difference between a law and a "fact checking" libtard blog post, right? :oldlol:



How do you know this? Which agencies were the declassified documents from exactly? How exactly do you know that these agencies had no idea that Trump wanted to declassify these docs? Can you cite a specific law that says the president can only declassify a document if he notifies the agency where the doc originated?

Lets say that Trump didnt follow the correct process... he still had the legal ability to declassify, so ultimately he is guilty of not following the correct process?

How exactly are you capable of believing that Trump violated the law (a law that you cant cite) for failing to follow the correct process to declassify documents, while completely ignoring the fact that there are 2 known instances (so far) of Biden flagrantly violating this imaginary law?

President can declassify any document he wants, but there has to be a record of that declassification having taken place. No president is above the law to "think up a declassification" with no record of it anywhere. The relevant agency has to be told the document is no longer classified. That's normal practice.

Ask why there's no record of declassification of only the documents Trump took with him and why he waited only until after the raid a year and half later to say "I declassified all those documents"? Why don't those agencies have any knowledge of declassification having taken place? Why weren't Trump lawyers willing to testify under oath that Trump declassified those documents? Oh right, there is no record of it anywhere except in Trump's head and only a year and half after being out of office & after getting caught with hundreds of documents in raid.

[Norcaliblunt]

We obviously need to know what’s in the documents before we can judge. Lol.

[Lakers Legend#32]

Hmm you have lost twice here with this response. For starters, it shows us how rattled you people are now that the shoe is on the other foot, that you resort to childish insults. And on top of that, the insult doesn't even apply to me. I am muscular and I bench two of you pencil-neck dweebs on a daily. So if you think I crawl into the fetal position and cry uncontrollably like you idiots do when I own you, think again. That shit don't affect me, son. Keep calling me fat you hermit incels. Last laugh will always be taken by me.

Winning or losing has nothing to do with what Poopsie declares.

Poopsie denounced name calling by, guess what? Name calling!:lol

Finally, a little less butter on the mashed potatoes Tubby.

[Lakers Legend#32]

https://www.politicalflare.com/2023/01/ivanka-trump-drops-more-hints-that-there-are-problems-in-her-marriage-to-jared/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Another reason the Right has to build up this documents scam.

Biden's approval ratings are at the highest ever.

[Lakers Legend#32]

"Your guy did the thing we ignored when our guy did it worse" is a weird flex.

[Jasper]

I did not realize this = Biden had about 20 documents in his Delware house that he turned over , from his VP period.

I did not realize this = Trump had 300 documents from his fortress in Florida that the government had to pry out.

[BigKobeFan]

I did not realize this = Biden had about 20 documents in his Delware house that he turned over , from his VP period.

I did not realize this = Trump had 300 documents from his fortress in Florida that the government had to pry out.

One was in a garage. The other was under a safe with lock abd key provided by the fbi

Did you forget that part?

Do you think biden sold nuclear secrets to iran, china, or ukraine?

[Patrick Chewing]

Jasper is an inbred racist redneck. You can't explain to him the truth because he will never understand it.

[bladefd]

Ultimately it shouldnt really matter who had access... from a legal perspective at least.

The bottom line is that when Biden was VP (a position that does not have the ability to declassify docs), he stored classified documents at a NGO and in his garage... yet his FBI raided Trumps house over the fact that Trump was storing about a dozen documents that he declassified in the safe inside his home office.

That is actually false btw. VPs have had the power to declassify.


Under a 2009 Obama-era executive order titled "Classified National Security Information" the vice president does have the power to declassify documents while they're in office. The order states: "The authority to classify information originally may be exercised only by: (1) the President and the Vice President [...]," as well as "agency heads and officials designated by the President."
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/biden-documents/

There still needs to be a record of it in archives and for the relevant agency to be informed. So what Biden did was not legal - he just didn't try to hide the documents, obstruct justice or refuse to comply with subpoena.

Another interesting snippet:

Trump was correct that presidents have the power to declassify documents. But experts pointed out to Politifact in 2022 that merely declaring a document declassified, or thinking that it is, does not make it so; federal law governing government documents requires presidents to follow certain steps to officially turn a classified file into a declassified one, which include physically modifying its markings.

Commenting on the documents uncovered at Trump's Mar-a-Lago property, a three-judge appellate panel of the Court of Appeals for the 11th Circuit noted in 2022 there was "no evidence that any of these records were declassified." And even if Trump had declassified the documents using the federally-mandated steps to do so, he was still bound by federal law that requires presidents to return all government documents — classified or unclassified — to the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) when they leave office. Declassifying a document would not "render it personal," the court stated.

Here's the politifact article it cites: https://www.politifact.com/article/2022/sep/23/could-donald-trump-declassify-documents-with/

I know, I know, the courts are also involved in a vast conspiracy with those damn libtards!!!!!

[Jasper]

Jasper is an inbred racist redneck. You can't explain to him the truth because he will never understand it.

you talk very much like a college educated masters degree jewelry clerk !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Lakers Legend#32]

you talk very much like a college educated masters degree jewelry clerk !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Things Poopsie is most sensitive about:

1. His education (or lack there of)

2. His weight

3. His divorce

[bladefd]

Things Poopsie is most sensitive about:

1. His education (or lack there of)

2. His weight

3. His divorce

Don't forget his sensitivity to name-calling his idol Lil Donny (used to be the douche ted cruz). Imagine having ted cruz and Donny Trump as your idols :eek:

[Patrick Chewing]

Don't forget his sensitivity to name-calling his idol Lil Donny (used to be the douche ted cruz). Imagine having ted cruz and Donny Trump as your idols :eek:

blade stooping to Lakers/Jasper-type levels. Shame on you. You can never hold an intelligent conversation with the rest of us if you hang around those two degenerate losers.

[Patrick Chewing]

Oh, hey! More documents were found today! :oldlol:

[Lakers Legend#32]

blade stooping to Lakers/Jasper-type levels. Shame on you. You can never hold an intelligent conversation with the rest of us if you hang around those two degenerate losers.

Just a couple posts ago Poopsie called me a homo.

The other day he decried name calling.

In the past he was gonna post less because of the lack of civility.

Well at least we know he sorta made it through middle school.

[Patrick Chewing]

Just a couple posts ago Poopsie called me a homo.

The other day he decried name calling.

In the past he was gonna post less because of the lack of civility.

Well at least we know he sorta made it through middle school.

When you stop shit posting, I'll stop calling you a homo and schooling and owning your monkey ass on a daily basis.

[bladefd]

Oh, hey! More documents were found today! :oldlol:

They found what? 10 pages total at Grandpa Joe's house?

Since you keep saying this is the same as Mar a Lago raid, would you like to know how many pages were found there?

[Lakers Legend#32]

And just like that, the MAGAS got all outraged over someone who had government documents.

Except for Trump.

[Lakers Legend#32]

When you stop shit posting, I'll stop calling you a homo and schooling and owning your monkey ass on a daily basis.

I'm able to insult Poopsie without his realizing it.

[Nanners]

That is actually false btw. VPs have had the power to declassify.


https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/biden-documents/

Hilarious that there are still people who mindlessly lap up and regurgitate "fact checks" from laughable propaganda mills like snopes in the year 2023. :oldlol:

Snopes says that "However, the claim that federal law does not give vice presidents the power to declassify government documents, and reserves that authority for presidents, is false"... Which is categorically incorrect.

First of all, executive orders are not laws, legally speaking they are "directives, proclamations, or administrative orders". As usual, snopes is 100% incorrect - There is nothing in federal law that gives vice presidents the power to declassify documents.

Also, they didnt find declassified documents in Bidens office and garage, they found classified documents... meaning that even if Biden had the ability to declassify them at one point, he never actually did declassify them. So best case scenario for Biden he is just as guilty as Trump was when he sent his storm troopers to raid his house.



There still needs to be a record of it in archives and for the relevant agency to be informed. So what Biden did was not legal - he just didn't try to hide the documents, obstruct justice or refuse to comply with subpoena.

Here's the politifact article it cites: https://www.politifact.com/article/2022/sep/23/could-donald-trump-declassify-documents-with/


Once again, I dare you to cite the specific law that lays out the process a president must go through to "legally" declassify something.

Both of the so-called "fact check" (lol) articles you posted here cite a bunch of so-called "experts" (lol) who claim that the specific process for declassification is spelled out in federal law... and yet none of these so-called experts, none of the the "fact checking" sites, and none of the idiots like you who regurgitate the "fact checks", are able to actually name/cite the law in question.

[bladefd]

Hilarious that there are still people who mindlessly lap up and regurgitate "fact checks" from laughable propaganda mills like snopes in the year 2023. :oldlol:

Snopes says that "However, the claim that federal law does not give vice presidents the power to declassify government documents, and reserves that authority for presidents, is false"... Which is categorically incorrect.

First of all, executive orders are not laws, legally speaking they are "directives, proclamations, or administrative orders". As usual, snopes is 100% incorrect - There is nothing in federal law that gives vice presidents the power to declassify documents.

Also, they didnt find declassified documents in Bidens office and garage, they found classified documents... meaning that even if Biden had the ability to declassify them at one point, he never actually did declassify them. So best case scenario for Biden he is just as guilty as Trump was when he sent his storm troopers to raid his house.




Once again, I dare you to cite the specific law that lays out the process a president must go through to "legally" declassify something.

Both of the so-called "fact check" (lol) articles you posted here cite a bunch of so-called "experts" (lol) who claim that the specific process for declassification is spelled out in federal law... and yet none of these so-called experts, none of the the "fact checking" sites, and none of the idiots like you who regurgitate the "fact checks", are able to actually name/cite the law in question.

First, executive order stands unless if replaced by a later law from Congress (or by a new executive order by a future president). That executive order 13526 has been in effect since 2009, and it was never overridden by Congress or a future executive order. Therefore, executive order 13526 acts as federal law.

Second, Biden never claimed to have declassified the documents so that point doesn't even apply in this case. Trump made the claim he declassified the documents, which there is no evidence of, but that only became a point for him because of buffoons like you taking him at his word that he could declassify just by saying so & leave zero record of it anywhere.

Finally, I dare you to cite the law that allows a president to simply declassify hundreds of documents verbally and not have to leave a record anywhere of the declassification order. Why is there no record anywhere and why was the relevant agency not informed? Why did he wait a year and half to suddenly start claiming he had already declassified all those documents when in office? Why weren't his lawyers willing to testify under oath to that?

[theman93]

This dude literally quoted snopes to try and prove his point :lol.

That in and of itself proves he has no idea what he's talking about

[Nanners]

This dude literally quoted snopes to try and prove his point :lol.

That in and of itself proves he has no idea what he's talking about

he didnt just quote snopes...

...he also quoted politifact in the same post :roll:

[Patrick Chewing]

blade is beta male personified. Just accept the L and move on with your life. You will score points towards Alpha-male status. But lettuce be real, that's a pipe dream for you.

[Nanners]

blade is beta male personified. Just accept the L and move on with your life. You will score points towards Alpha-male status. But lettuce be real, that's a pipe dream for you.

I kinda doubt he is even capable of that. In the ~14 years that I have been posting here, I dont think I have ever seen him concede that he is wrong about something... which is actually pretty impressive considering virtually every comment I have ever seen him post on here contains at least one obvious factual error

[bladefd]

Yeah, resort to personal attacks when you can't refute a post. I thought so.

[Patrick Chewing]

Yeah, resort to personal attacks when you can't refute a post. I thought so.

There is nothing to refute. Joe Biden, as Vice President, has no business having those documents. Donald Trump, as President, does.

[theman93]

There is nothing to refute. Joe Biden, as Vice President, has no business having those documents. Donald Trump, as President, does.

snopes doesn't say that so it can't be true

[Lakers Legend#32]

Trump probably spent all day Sunday working on his MLK Day speech.

BWAWAWAHAHAHAHAHA!

[bladefd]

There is nothing to refute. Joe Biden, as Vice President, has no business having those documents. Donald Trump, as President, does.

Neither of them have any business having the classified documents they had after they left office. Are you so partisan that you can't see that fact?

[Norcaliblunt]

The United States has no business having classified documents. Wtf they hiding? I can’t believe people don’t want to know what’s in these things.

[Hey Yo]

The United States has no business having classified documents. Wtf they hiding? I can’t believe people don’t want to know what’s in these things.

Of course people want to know what on them, but highly doubt that will be released. When the first documents were found in his old office....Biden's own lawyers told him NOT to ask what's on them, which is shady AF and makes zero sense.

[Patrick Chewing]

The only documents that matter that should be released to the public right away are the JFK documents and the proof of aliens.

[bladefd]

Of course people want to know what on them, but highly doubt that will be released. When the first documents were found in his old office....Biden's own lawyers told him NOT to ask what's on them, which is shady AF and makes zero sense.

It's plausible deniability. By not asking & not being told, Biden can say under oath if it came to it that he doesn't know what is on the documents. It's covering his ass.

[Patrick Chewing]

Hmmm it's so odd how the FBI hasn't raided Biden's house yet. It almost seems like, and call me crazy, but it almost seems like there's a double-standard here.

But that can't be. FBI raids, threats of criminal prosecution, and two (2) impeachments are just par for the course when it's a Republican it seems.

[8Ball]

I am sorry to say but it will end as a big nothing burger.

I also thought the Trump classified docs were another nothingburger story of Trump just flipping the bird.

[diamenz]

I am sorry to say but it will end as a big nothing burger.

I also thought the Trump classified docs were another nothingburger story of Trump just flipping the bird.

of course it will - elites never get prosecuted. look @ the war crimes of bush & cheney... you think trump or biden are gonna get jailed for a few documents? it's all a show.

[bladefd]

Hmmm it's so odd how the FBI hasn't raided Biden's house yet. It almost seems like, and call me crazy, but it almost seems like there's a double-standard here.

But that can't be. FBI raids, threats of criminal prosecution, and two (2) impeachments are just par for the course when it's a Republican it seems.

If Biden had been trying to hide the documents, lying about having documents, refuting subpoena, and refusing to turn them over for over a year, then the FBI would have raided.

Biden's lawyers turned them over right away (nobody had to ask), didn't lie about the documents, never had to come to a subpoena, and is willing to fully comply with whatever DOJ decides.

[Patrick Chewing]

If Biden had been trying to hide the documents, lying about having documents, refuting subpoena, and refusing to turn them over for over a year, then the FBI would have raided.

Biden's lawyers turned them over right away (nobody had to ask), didn't lie about the documents, never had to come to a subpoena, and is willing to fully comply with whatever DOJ decides.

Turned them over right away? He had those documents for at least six years.

[Lakers Legend#32]

I remember back when Trump supporters had no problems with him stealing classified documents.

[bladefd]

Turned them over right away? He had those documents for at least six years.

Turned them over as soon as they were found by his assistants.

[Patrick Chewing]

Turned them over as soon as they were found by his assistants.

That is irrelevant. The law doesn't excuse Biden for negligence.

[bladefd]

I remember back when Trump supporters had no problems with him stealing classified documents.

Basically Republicans are trying hard to prosecute Biden and let Trump off the hook. They are trying to make the case that Biden did the same thing when what Trump did was more egregious (flat out obstruction of justice for a year and half).

[bladefd]

That is irrelevant. The law doesn't excuse Biden for negligence.

Biden's case does not have the obstruction of justice factor like Trump does, which is what I was saying. But yes, Biden took those classified documents improperly. He broke the law.

[Hey Yo]

First the secret service said the was no visitors log book. Now strangely enough say they can provide one if Congress asks for it.

Another shady flip-flop in this case.

[Hey Yo]

Edit the above:

The WH says they don't have a visitors log, but the secret service does and will hand over to congress if asked.

[Hey Yo]

LOL @ saying the classified documents were "misplaced"


Finding them in a copy paper box, in your garage is considered 'misplaced??

[Patrick Chewing]

And the Press Secretary won't talk about it any longer, so their gameplan is to just not talk about it in hopes that it goes away. I am still baffled as to how many people still vote Democrat.

[Patrick Chewing]

More documents found by the DOJ on Friday!! :roll:

I can't possibly think Biden runs again.

[8Ball]

Nothing burger.

[diamenz]

More documents found by the DOJ on Friday!! :roll:

I can't possibly think Biden runs again.

run again? the man can barely walk.

[bladefd]

More documents found by the DOJ on Friday!! :roll:

I can't possibly think Biden runs again.

It was by the FBI. They went to search Biden house and found 6 documents marked classified. The tally is what? 16 documents now?

Still long way from reaching the record count of the fat man :lol

[Patrick Chewing]

run again? the man can barely walk.

Or ride a bike.

https://usagif.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/fzk5d/biden-falling-off-a-bicycle-acegif-3.gif

[rmt]

More documents found by the DOJ on Friday!! :roll:

Some here will say that senators can de-classify.

[bladefd]

Some here will say that senators can de-classify.

Only the president, vice-president and the heads of the agencies where the classified documents originate from have the power to de-classify.

[The Hick]

Biden leaving classified documents laying around all over the place almost as much as he leaves dirty diapers. :oldlol:


Damn, this really took the steam out of "we wants Trump in jailz cuz he took da documents to he house dur duhm durrr"

[rmt]

Only the president, vice-president and the heads of the agencies where the classified documents originate from have the power to de-classify.

Seems like some of the documents are from when Biden was a Senator - lol.

Some of the items dated from Biden’s tenure in the Senate, where he represented Delaware from 1973 to 2009, Bauer said. And some of the items were from his tenure as vice president in the Obama administration, from 2009 through 2017.

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/01/21/search-of-bidens-home-by-doj-finds-6-more-classified-documents.html

[Hey Yo]

How long before Obama gets seeked out for comment since some of those documents were on his dime??

[Hey Yo]

Now Pence comes forward and says he found classified documents in his Indiana home a week ago.


This shit is getting weirder everyday.

[bladefd]

Now Pence comes forward and says he found classified documents in his Indiana home a week ago.


This shit is getting weirder everyday.

Just reckless behavior by those in power. Who will be next with classified documents found? Obama? Bush? Still, nobody took anywhere close to as many documents as Trump and he was defiantly unwilling to give them back. That's where the behavior goes towards the crazy unlike Biden/Pence.

[Hey Yo]

Just reckless behavior by those in power. Who will be next with classified documents found? Obama? Bush? Still, nobody took anywhere close to as many documents as Trump and he was defiantly unwilling to give them back. That's where the behavior goes towards the crazy unlike Biden/Pence.

Biden having them in his house, garage and an office no longer used is crazier. Why his attorneys were sent to his old office in DC to begin with still hasn't been answered (not by you, just in general)

[bladefd]

Biden having them in his house, garage and an office no longer used is crazier. Why his attorneys were sent to his old office in DC to begin with still hasn't been answered (not by you, just in general)

It was his personal lawyer team. Probably the paralegals were cleaning out the office, found the documents, and then called in their bosses, the lawyers. Paralegals are usually the ones who do the dirty work like cleaning out closets, checking paperwork, etc. Lawyers come in when shit hits the fan.

[Lakers Legend#32]

Now Pence comes forward and says he found classified documents in his Indiana home a week ago.

Hello Republicans?

Which one of your committees is gonna investigate this?

[Patrick Chewing]

Just reckless behavior by those in power. Who will be next with classified documents found? Obama? Bush? Still, nobody took anywhere close to as many documents as Trump and he was defiantly unwilling to give them back. That's where the behavior goes towards the crazy unlike Biden/Pence.

Whataboutism.

[Lakers Legend#32]

Mike Pence found classified documents and alerted the FBI.

Joe Biden found classified documents and alerted the DOJ.

Guess who didn't?

Donald Trump stole classified documents, hid them, and refused to return them.

If you're still pretending there's no difference,

you're just being an obstinate tribal a$$hole.