This move was called a travel 12 years ago

[Im Still Ballin]

No gather step allowed.

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[Wally450]

The first 3 steps he was legitimately still dribbling the basketball lol. Wtf?

[Im Still Ballin]

Yeah just ignore the numbers. It's from a BBALLBreakdown video. Rondo takes a couple of stutter steps before his two steps. Just interesting how much stricter the travelling was even only a decade ago.

[Full Court]

Is it just me, or are the refs starting to call travels a lot more than in recent years? It seems like for the last month or so, I've been seeing a lot of traveling calls in every game I watch. Hopefully the refs are finally getting stricter on it.

[Jasper]

Is it just me, or are the refs starting to call travels a lot more than in recent years? It seems like for the last month or so, I've been seeing a lot of traveling calls in every game I watch. Hopefully the refs are finally getting stricter on it.

then every time Harden would dribble it would be a DD .... he carrys the ball all of the time , and no sure why ref's don't call it

[Kblaze8855]

They called carries at least like it was the 90s for a few weeks. I don’t ask for more than that even though even the 90s handles were all illegal by previous standards. Contrary to popular belief as a so called “old head”, I don’t need the rules fully enforced. I just want everyone to pretend to care they exist.

I watch some of those old games and it’s really noticeable how much harder they have to work without that extra step the NBA legalized with the zero step rule.

Go watch some Charles Barkley highlights. It’s crazy how many of his drives end with a powerful extra dribble before going up for a dunk because he was obviously raised in a game where you couldn’t just take three steps. If you let Doctor J take 3 huge steps like Giannis he’d have been scoring much easier.

you see old-school spin moves, and then an awkward extra dribble right by the basket because otherwise they can’t take the extra step and it looks weird and clunky to modern eyes, but they were just following the rules. They spin and do an extra dribble then go off 2 feet instead of just taking two steps, and jumping of 1 foot on the third the way a like Dr. J could’ve obviously done every time.

it makes them look weird to kids now who don’t understand that without counting the steps 012 you have to count it 123 and whistle it.

A huge number of moves kids do now we’re simply impossible to do legally for 100 years but they still talk about old school guys not having the same “bag”.

Just weird to me.

[Kblaze8855]

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Travel. Carry. Travel. Hesis and eurosteps were borderline illegal. You might get one by now and then but you’d never be able to build your whole attack off it like guys do now. Even the people who had eurosteps had to make them perfect and do it rarely.

Marciulionis had one. I’ve seen others from then do it. But Harden probably did more in a season than they did in careers. And almost all of his would be illegal in their time.

Just taking numbers away.

There have always been and always will be missed calls and bending of rules but until these days the solution was never to just legalize the violation.

We can be talking about somebody I have incredible respect for like Giannis or someone who annoys me like Harden, the fact is if you gave Dominique Wilkins, Michael Jordan or Julius Erving, the liberty to just jump around with no regard for rules you will have to rewrite the record books. I watched Wilkins score 38 points a game for a month or two almost entirely on two pointers. Going to the basket against multiple bigs and having to finish over the top of them not skate around.

Let Jordan take 3 steps on top of the almost never called then or now triple threat footwork violations?

absolutely everything about the game now is designed so you can’t hinder the scoring of the stars and while I’m sure it’s entertaining for most it’s annoying at the same time.

[Im Still Ballin]

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Travel. Carry. Travel. Hesis and eurosteps were borderline illegal. You might get one by now and then but you’d never be able to build your whole attack off it like guys do now. Even the people who had eurosteps had to make them perfect and do it rarely.

Marciulionis had one. I’ve seen others from then do it. But Harden probably did more in a season than they did in careers. And almost all of his would be illegal in their time.

Just taking numbers away.

There have always been and always will be missed calls and bending of rules but until these days the solution was never to just legalize the violation.

We can be talking about somebody I have incredible respect for like Giannis or someone who annoys me like Harden, the fact is if you gave Dominique Wilkins, Michael Jordan or Julius Erving, the liberty to just jump around with no regard for rules you will have to rewrite the record books. I watched Wilkins score 38 points a game for a month or two almost entirely on two pointers. Going to the basket against multiple bigs and having to finish over the top of them not skate around.

Let Jordan take 3 steps on top of the almost never called then or now triple threat footwork violations?

absolutely everything about the game now is designed so you can’t hinder the scoring of the stars and while I’m sure it’s entertaining for most it’s annoying at the same time.

A different game indeed. I don't know exactly when things got worse in the last decade. Had to have something to do with Harden and Giannis.

[AlternativeAcc.]

Sometimes refs make mistakes

That didn't get called 9 out of 10 times.

[getting_old]

In the 80s we were trained to do the Euro-Step in practice, bound(plant) 2 steps ball in hand

but we never thought to use it because the pros didn't, a few friends tried it out by were shamed by the rest of us for "travelling"

It still looks awkward and wrong, but it has been allowed for at least 5 decades, they are just starting to use it the last decade of so at all levels.


(and the game has always rewarded creative dance steps to enhance offensive action to the rim)


NOW they are calling the first step off the pass constantly in college and the pros, it's not even an unfair advantage most of the time

who knows what next week brings?

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Travel. Carry. Travel. Hesis and eurosteps were borderline illegal. You might get one by now and then but you’d never be able to build your whole attack off it like guys do now. Even the people who had eurosteps had to make them perfect and do it rarely.

Marciulionis had one. I’ve seen others from then do it. But Harden probably did more in a season than they did in careers. And almost all of his would be illegal in their time.

Just taking numbers away.

There have always been and always will be missed calls and bending of rules but until these days the solution was never to just legalize the violation.

We can be talking about somebody I have incredible respect for like Giannis or someone who annoys me like Harden, the fact is if you gave Dominique Wilkins, Michael Jordan or Julius Erving, the liberty to just jump around with no regard for rules you will have to rewrite the record books. I watched Wilkins score 38 points a game for a month or two almost entirely on two pointers. Going to the basket against multiple bigs and having to finish over the top of them not skate around.

Let Jordan take 3 steps on top of the almost never called then or now triple threat footwork violations?

absolutely everything about the game now is designed so you can’t hinder the scoring of the stars and while I’m sure it’s entertaining for most it’s annoying at the same time.

It mainly has to do with what the refs think they're seeing vs what they are expecting to see. A classic euro-step performed perfectly is NOT a travel in the NBA rule set and never was(going back to at least the merger). The problem is a ref couldn't make a distinction in real time. The only major rule that has actually changed since these times is the "two-step" rule. And this allows even a fairly sloppy euro-step to be legal.

About the 2nd clip: MJ was doing this move regularly and it wasn't called because with his huge hands it was impossible for a ref in real time to see it.

[Kblaze8855]

I’m not saying the euro step didn’t exist. I’ve seen Dr. J and even Elgin Baylor do it. Hell I’ve seen Kareem do a euro step what they were doing was not this:

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And the freedom to take that extra step is everything. Like I said if Doctor J could just walk around you that way he’d have been utterly unstoppable.

But he like a lot of those old guys often threw in the extra awkward looking dribble that slowed them down.

[90sgoat]

Go watch some Charles Barkley highlights. It’s crazy how many of his drives end with a powerful extra dribble before going up for a dunk because he was obviously raised in a game where you couldn’t just take three steps. If you let Doctor J take 3 huge steps like Giannis he’d have been scoring much easier.

you see old-school spin moves, and then an awkward extra dribble right by the basket because otherwise they can’t take the extra step and it looks weird and clunky to modern eyes, but they were just following the rules.

Yes, basketball is very different when you can't carry or travel.

I think the carry is the most important. It's difficult to break ankles if you can't put your hand, just a little, under the ball. The Iverson crossover was what changed the rules, because apparantly it was too quick for refs to call it.

If you want to break ankles without a carry, you have to do like Hardaway, head fakes, shift of balance, quick moves, between the legs, but it's not to keep dancing, it's to set up a quick first step and explode.


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It's a way different attitude. You reach, I teach, kind of dribbling. Keep em going back and if they go too far back, you shoot.

The extra step, I hate it, one guy I played with in the 90s did it all the time, and because he was long, he was almost impossible to guard because of that. It was a travel though, but maybe not by FIBA rules in the 90s.

Also, because of this, there was an added emphasis on two foot jumping ability, like 3ball used to on about. If you can't go around your opponent, you need to go over them or jump past them.

I honestly feel that being stricter with these rules make for better and more athletic play.