Doc Rivers on LeBron and MJ Comparison

[Lebron23]

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[dankok8]

That's a fair statement although I would word it definitely. I think Lebron has the best career value added (such as CORP coined by Thinking Basketball) and he's passed Kareem in that respect but I think the best career has to go to Bill Russell hands down. Because best career implies best accomplishments.

[guy]

That's a fair statement although I would word it definitely. I think Lebron has the best career value added (such as CORP coined by Thinking Basketball) and he's passed Kareem in that respect but I think the best career has to go to Bill Russell hands down. Because best career implies best accomplishments.

Accomplishment wise, he does not have a better career then Jordan. Jordan's additional 2 FMVPs, 2 rings, 1 MVP and all the defensive accomplishments make up for more then everything Lebron has over Jordan. You can argue the same thing with Kareem, although the fact that Kareem only has 2 FMVPs and Lebron has 4 FMVPs is a big difference.

[fourkicks44]

I've found whatever Doc says is wrong and usually the complete opposite is true. Go figure.

[rmt]

I've found whatever Doc says is wrong and usually the complete opposite is true. Go figure.

Yep - this is a coach who has his team watching and discussing football before a game 7.

[Spurs m8]

LeBron hasn't even had the greater career lol

It's full of blemishes

[Full Court]

If Rivers is talking about longevity, then I'll buy it. I don't see how you can think winning 4 championships and 4FMVP is a better career than winning 6 of them and three-peating twice.


And that's not even taking epic choke jobs into consideration....

[dankok8]

Accomplishment wise, he does not have a better career then Jordan. Jordan's additional 2 FMVPs, 2 rings, 1 MVP and all the defensive accomplishments make up for more then everything Lebron has over Jordan. You can argue the same thing with Kareem, although the fact that Kareem only has 2 FMVPs and Lebron has 4 FMVPs is a big difference.

I agree. My point was that Russell has the best career ever including over Jordan who is #2. Lebron is probably #3 right now and has passed Kareem because I think Kareem's last 2 rings have very little weight.

[8Ball]

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Doc Rivers is wrong.


He's an old head that still feels guilty for "betraying" the other nostalgic grandpas out there hold on to Jordan. So he says Jordan is GOAT, but LeBron has the greatest career.


What Doc Rivers really wants to say is that LeBron is the greatest player to ever play and the greatest career. Once LeBron retires, LeBron will now be a part of what the old nostalgic grandpas love and there will be no more reason to hold on to Jordan.

[1987_Lakers]

I agree. My point was that Russell has the best career ever including over Jordan who is #2. Lebron is probably #3 right now and has passed Kareem because I think Kareem's last 2 rings have very little weight.

Kareem was still a big contributor in the '87 ring. He was the Lakers 2nd leading scorer in the Finals.

[8Ball]

That's a fair statement although I would word it definitely. I think Lebron has the best career value added (such as CORP coined by Thinking Basketball) and he's passed Kareem in that respect but I think the best career has to go to Bill Russell hands down. Because best career implies best accomplishments.

The greatest career of all time is a guy that can barely score 20 ppg in the highest paced era of all time shoots free throws worst than Ben Simmons?

[Full Court]

The greatest career of all time is a guy that can barely score 20 ppg in the highest paced era of all time shoots free throws worst than Ben Simmons?

Bill Russel - #2 of all time.

LeShrivel - fringe top ten.

Truth hurts.

:lebroncry:

[dankok8]

The greatest career of all time is a guy that can barely score 20 ppg in the highest paced era of all time shoots free throws worst than Ben Simmons?

Yes if that guy can anchor defenses that are statistical outliers historically for a decade plus. Then yes... He is one of the most impactful players of all time with his defense alone. What he could do in this era is irrelevant.

[8Ball]

How is Russel top 2?

He is worst than Ben Simmons at free throws and never touched 20ppg in the highest paced era of all time while also playing against the worst competition in the history of the league.

Make any modern NBA team 80% white from starters to bench players and you won't even win a college game.

[Full Court]

Yes if that guy can anchor defenses that are statistical outliers historically for a decade plus. Then yes... He is one of the most impactful players of all time with his defense alone. What he could do in this era is irrelevant.

You're spot on, but you're explaining this to a Bronie fluffer who doesn't understand basketball. I'm sure it will fall on deaf ears.

[8Ball]

Yes if that guy can anchor defenses that are statistical outliers historically for a decade plus. Then yes... He is one of the most impactful players of all time with his defense alone. What he could do in this era is irrelevant.


Why is it irrelevant what he could do in multiple eras? I don't even consider Russell the best player of his era. Wilt Chamberlain won 1st team all-nba over Russell 7/9 years in the 60s.

So even the voters back then could not put Russell over Wilt during regular seasons.

[dankok8]

Why is it irrelevant what he could do in multiple eras? I don't even consider Russell the best player of his era. Wilt Chamberlain won 1st team all-nba over Russell 7/9 years in the 60s. Best career of his era no doubt.

So even the voters back then could not put Russell over Wilt during regular seasons.

You don't consider... No offense but anyone who is a serious basketball historian understands that Russell had GOAT-level impact. And that Wilt despite his GOAT-level stats didn't have GOAT-level impact except maybe in 1967.

[8Ball]

You don't consider... No offense but anyone who is a serious basketball historian understands that Russell had GOAT-level impact. And that Wilt despite his GOAT-level stats didn't have GOAT-level impact except maybe in 1967.

The voters that watched every game during that time voted Wilt over Russell 7/9 years. That means something.

[Jasper]

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doc coachs the 6'ers ... nough said.

[AirBonner]

doc coachs the 6'ers ... nough said.

And you are a racist

[Axe]

Casuals on suicide watch.

[kawhileonard2]

Accomplishment wise, he does not have a better career then Jordan. Jordan's additional 2 FMVPs, 2 rings, 1 MVP and all the defensive accomplishments make up for more then everything Lebron has over Jordan. You can argue the same thing with Kareem, although the fact that Kareem only has 2 FMVPs and Lebron has 4 FMVPs is a big difference.

This!

[MrFonzworth]

Doc Rivers is wrong.


He's an old head that still feels guilty for "betraying" the other nostalgic grandpas out there hold on to Jordan. So he says Jordan is GOAT, but LeBron has the greatest career.


What Doc Rivers really wants to say is that LeBron is the greatest player to ever play and the greatest career. Once LeBron retires, LeBron will now be a part of what the old nostalgic grandpas love and there will be no more reason to hold on to Jordan.



http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?489748-When-KD-and-Lebron-go-head-to-head
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=459570

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495113-Vassilis-Spanoulis-Giannis-Antetokounmpo-s-And-Luka-Doncic-s-Idol-Retired
https://www.espn.com/olympics/wbc2006/news/story?id=2568543

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495940-Lebron-with-Shaq-2nd-round-exit-Giannis-with-Middleton-a-Title

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495955-Giannis-just-blasted-those-who-join-super-teams-in-post-conference-interview

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?493982-Devin-Booker-Vs-Lebron-James-who-is-better-currently

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496095-Devin-Booker-put-up-47-his-playoff-career-high-on-Lebron

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496253-Lebron-won-2-bronze-medals-for-the-United-States-of-America-How

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496256-Lebron-with-Tim-Duncan-Bronze-Medal-in-Olympics-Vince-with-KG-Gold-Medal

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496255-Lebron-with-Carlos-Boozer-No-Playoffs-Deron-Williams-with-Carlos-Boozer-WCF

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496549-Lebron-stacking-the-deck-in-2022-because-he-is-afraid-of-Devin-Booker

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?492941-1-Title-in-11-Years-for-the-Franchise-that-you-originally-played-for


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496831-times-when-each-top-10-player-all-time-Lost-when-they-were-expected-to-win

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?486706-Rob-Parker-LeBron-is-the-FFOAT

Record against teams with an SRS of 5.0 or higher.
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?497187-Record-against-teams-with-an-SRS-of-5-0-or-higher



Not 3, not 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 or Playoff Mode Activated or A Storm is Coming
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?494319-Not-3-not-4-5-6-7-8-or-Playoff-Mode-Activated-or-A-Storm-is-Coming/page2


Playoff Mode: ACTIVATED
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?473762-Playoff-Mode-ACTIVATED



Lowest Scoring Supporting Cast Overall Playoffs
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?463869-Lowest-Scoring-Supporting-Cast-Overall-Playoffs/page3


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?499837-Greatest-floor-raise-of-all-time/page2
Lebron played with Shaq who won league mvp and 3 finals mvp's and lost in round 2. Lebron played with Peak Duncan who had won 2 league mvp's and 3 finals mvp's and won bronze medal. Lebron played with Peak Wade who won finals mvp and got outplayed by Jason Terry. Lebron played with Derrick Rose who won mvp under age 30 which was the same as Kevin Durant who won mvp under 30 while both were on Golden State and Cleveland. Lebron played with mulitple PER leaders as well and now Russell Westbrook a league mvp winner and more triple doubles than Oscar Robertson. Yet despite all of that Lebron lost with all of them.


Jarrett Allen vs Gobert and Jarrett Allen vs Lebron
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?499786-Jarrett-Allen-vs-Gobert-and-Jarrett-Allen-vs-Lebron



http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500431-Lakers-were-1-in-Preseason-Odds-in-2021-and-Suns-were-14
Was #1 in Preseason odds and lost to a 14th seed in odds

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2021_preseason_odds.html

And Devin Booker walked them down in the playoffs with Devin outplaying Lebron. :confusedshrug:



http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500416-Why-did-Pelinka-surround-Lebron-with-a-bullshit-roster
He has peak Anthony Davis, the best player on the 2020 squad and the reason the Lakers did anything as the 2019 Lakers missed the playoffs and 2021 Lakers lost in round 1 when AD wasn't around. He has Prime Melo who won a scoring title and all time leader in scoring for the Olympics. He has Dwight Howard a 3x DPOY and a guy who beat Lebron without HCA. He has Westbrook who is the modern day Oscar Robertson and also won league mvp along with average a Triple Double 4 years in a row. He also has Rondo who is a hall of famer.





Why didn't he play it against Dwight Howard in 2009 when Dwight was dominating http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?459570-How-is-it-even-possible-to-lose-to-Dwight-Howard-in-a-series-with-HCA/page10? Or against Duncan or KG or Dirk? Why did he run away from KD a guy at his position?
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?489748-When-KD-and-Lebron-go-head-to-head

Why didn't he do **** against Booker in the playoffs as well?

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496095-Devin-Booker-put-up-47-his-playoff-career-high-on-Lebron


Devin Booker broke Lebron
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500264-Devin-Booker-broke-Lebron&p=14500724




http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500440-Russell-Westbrook-leading-the-league-in-Triple-Doubles-Thus-far-in-2022-Season
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/triple-double-leaders-2021-2022-stats

[dankok8]

The voters that watched every game during that time voted Wilt over Russell 7/9 years. That means something.

It means Wilt was the greater individual player. But in terms of team impact it's Russell all day.

[Axe]

It means Wilt was the greater individual player. But in terms of team impact it's Russell all day.
This.

[Baller789]

Bronies puny brains dont understand that half the game is defense.

And that is were Bill was as influential as any offensive player ever was.

Plus he started many of their deadly fastbreaks.

Just because their hero doesnt play a lick of D. Lmao!