SVG tweet on players always getting injured today

[bison]

I wonder if anyone has been keeping stats on cumulative games missed by NBA players over the past 5 decades. Certainly, though, players are taking more time off for 'load management' and minor injuries than in the past. Felt like I always watching full rosters play on a nightly basis when I started watching NBA in the 90s.


90’s NBA teams had just a trainer and a strength coach, they practiced more often and harder and played more back to backs. Teams now have huge medical & “performance” staffs and value rest over practice. Yet injuries and games missed are way up. Something’s not working!

In response to someone saying that it's because the game has changed


Sorry. Not buying it John. Game is definitely faster, but less physical. What has really changed is the value system. If these “performance” and medical staffs are so necessary guys shouldn’t be missing this many games.

[FultzNationRISE]

It’s because the league and the players have realized it’s not affecting the bottom line.

Team fans show up or watch on TV regardless. They dont care who plays, they root for the jersey. Player/General fans might not tune into a game here or there if someone’s missing, but as long as every star plays a decent amount it probably doesnt change much on a yearly basis. Meanwhile if you can keep 82 games on the schedule and extend these guys’ careers by not having them each actually play 82 games, it’s more money in the long run for both sides.

The league does what it does because of money. Period. So if guys arent playing, the league has data that the bottom line isnt affected.

[bison]

It’s because the league and the players have realized it’s not affecting the bottom line.

Team fans show up or watch on TV regardless. They dont care who plays, they root for the jersey. Player/General fans might not tune into a game here or there if someone’s missing, but as long as every star plays a decent amount it probably doesnt change much on a yearly basis. Meanwhile if you can keep 82 games on the schedule and extend these guys’ careers by not having them each actually play 82 games, it’s more money in the long run for both sides.

The league does what it does because of money. Period. So if guys arent playing, the league has data that the bottom line isnt affected.

That's bullsh*t. We are in the era of player stan fan bases. Unless you're Mavs fan for example, you're not gonna watch the Mavs play if Luka isn't playing. And its a little tough to believe the league is allowing teams to post bad records by sitting stars sit out when the bottom line would be the same if they played. The Lakers would have been in the playoffs last season if LeLoadManagement didn't sit out crucial games. Doubt the league wanted that. Seems to do more harm than good.

The fact is today's players are soft, and a lot of these training staff positions are useless.

[FultzNationRISE]

That's bullsh*t. We are in the era of player stan fan bases. Unless you're Mavs fan for example, you're not gonna watch the Mavs play if Luka isn't playing. And its a little tough to believe the league is allowing teams to post bad records by sitting stars sit out when the bottom line would be the same if they played. The Lakers would have been in the playoffs last season if LeLoadManagement didn't sit out crucial games. Doubt the league wanted that. Seems to do more harm than good.

The fact is today's players are soft, and a lot of these training staff positions are useless.


Thing is Im not sure how much player stans watch the regular season anyway. I think they mostly just check box scores. (Keep in mind the Lebron Fam are not considered “stans” by definition, just objective basketball enthusiasts who correctly see Lebron as the game’s most glorious figure).

People who feel like watching a game are gonna watch the game. People who dont, wont. Doesnt feel like most people base their decision on whether kawhi leonard or james harden is playing, let alone lesser known guys.

Playoffs I think it’s different. Casuals tune in to see stars. I dont think casuals watch much regular season regardless. The regular season is for team fans and basketball junkies. I dont think the lineups change much in terms of viewership.

[FKAri]

2 reasons.

1: Guys are quicker to go on the IL for the smallest thing and slower to come back. They don't want to have their career cut short. They're not getting injured more they just aren't playing through small injuries like before.

2: Game is less strength based and more twist, turn, explosion based. It puts more stress on the joints and those lead to the scarier injuries that players are trying to avoid.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Players have guaranteed money and superstars are often set for life by the time they're 25. Players from past era had less money and needed to prove that they will play all the time to get the biggest contracts. These days KD gets a max deal with the Nets knowing he won't play for the first season of it and the Clippers extended Leonard knowing he may average under 50 games per season of the deal. Of you will get your money regardless and your body needs to heal why not rest? It leads to more starless games but no one cares about the regular season anyway especially during the NFL season.

[bison]

2 reasons.

1: Guys are quicker to go on the IL for the smallest thing and slower to come back. They don't want to have their career cut short. They're not getting injured more they just aren't playing through small injuries like before.

2: Game is less strength based and more twist, turn, explosion based. It puts more stress on the joints and those lead to the scarier injuries that players are trying to avoid.

There's a set limit of roster spots in the NBA. If guys are extending their careers, then they are holding roster spots by not retiring. So then you have vets competing against new entering talent for increasingly limited roster space and unless you're a superstar or iron man vet role player, GMs will always take new talent. So even if you load management its hardly a guarantee you'll still be playing in the NBA 10 years from now.

[Patrick Chewing]

I played football and basketball with the neighborhood kids with a broken wrist and sprained ankle and I never decided to wear street clothes on the sidewalk.


Fans should boycott the NBA. Fans should start showing up and selling out Rugby stadiums even though they have no idea what Rugby is all about.

[ArbitraryWater]

There was a good thread on this that said it had to do with the specific workouts player do…

Less compound workouts?

[FultzNationRISE]

2 reasons.

1: Guys are quicker to go on the IL for the smallest thing and slower to come back. They don't want to have their career cut short. They're not getting injured more they just aren't playing through small injuries like before.

2: Game is less strength based and more twist, turn, explosion based. It puts more stress on the joints and those lead to the scarier injuries that players are trying to avoid.

2 things.

1. You cant bleach a Cerruti. Out of the question.

2. I can only get these sheets in Santa Fe. These are very expensive sheets and I really need them cleaned.

[Axe]

He also exchanged opinions with kd about that stuff. I gigged a litte. 'Spitting out' mao.

[ralph_i_el]

Players are pushing the boundary on what is possible athletically. That means more bad landings and injuries. Guys who don't jump don't get hurt as much (Compare Embiid and Jokic for example. Embiid hits the deck 3x as much as Jokic does at LEAST)

[Norcaliblunt]

It’s the modern industrial diet. It takes a generation or 2 for it to start to really wreck the genes. Dr Pottenger did the study on cats back in the day.


https://youtu.be/OvQ5F6GCfgI

These players are experiencing breakdown even while load managing because their parents and grand parents ate crap.

[Im Still Ballin]

It’s the modern industrial diet. It takes a generation or 2 for it to start to really wreck the genes. Dr Pottenger did the study on cats back in the day.


https://youtu.be/OvQ5F6GCfgI

These players are experiencing breakdown even while load managing because their parents and grand parents ate crap.

Good video.

[FKAri]

It’s the modern industrial diet. It takes a generation or 2 for it to start to really wreck the genes. Dr Pottenger did the study on cats back in the day.


https://youtu.be/OvQ5F6GCfgI

These players are experiencing breakdown even while load managing because their parents and grand parents ate crap.

You would think they'd have all kinds of auto-immune and digestive issues way before any kind of increased risk of ligament damage.

[ArbitraryWater]

There was a good thread on this that said it had to do with the specific workouts player do…

Less compound workouts?


anyone remember this thread?

cant find it.

think it was a tim grover quote/thread that started the convo.


but nothing comes up googing grover and insidehoops. part of the mass deetion?

[BigShotBob]

anyone remember this thread?

cant find it.

think it was a tim grover quote/thread that started the convo.


but nothing comes up googing grover and insidehoops. part of the mass deetion?

Yes it was deleted but he's absolutely right.

These HIIT focused workouts have players going through constant strength and conditioning drills and workouts with circuit training to increase endurance and players's winds is fine. But the lack of emphasis on flexibility and low weight high volume compound workouts to strengthen supporting and ancillary muscle groups takes a toll on your body.

Tim Grover talked about how he helped MJ after he broke his foot. He would watch and see how MJ moved, twisted, turned, and contorted and he would make him do exercises to strengthen his body, mainly his lower limbs and stabilizing muscles.

You can see it with Lebron as well. For most of his career when he took off and landed, he landed softly on his toes and not flat-footed. Lebron's weight also mainly comes from his lower body, not upper body. He has a wide and strong base and he has more of a football type body.

Back when I played football in the mid-late 80's the emphasis was on compound movements and core workouts, as well as stabilization muscle groups.Nowadays as I said before these strength and conditioning coaches are more worried about how fast a player can perform an exercise than how well they can actually do it without feeling tired, worn down, or pain. If your body isn't familiar with certain movements you have a higher risk of injury when you start, stop, twist, and contort your body.

[ArbitraryWater]

Yes it was deleted but he's absolutely right.

These HIIT focused workouts have players going through constant strength and conditioning drills and workouts with circuit training to increase endurance and players's winds is fine. But the lack of emphasis on flexibility and low weight high volume compound workouts to strengthen supporting and ancillary muscle groups takes a toll on your body.

Tim Grover talked about how he helped MJ after he broke his foot. He would watch and see how MJ moved, twisted, turned, and contorted and he would make him do exercises to strengthen his body, mainly his lower limbs and stabilizing muscles.

You can see it with Lebron as well. For most of his career when he took off and landed, he landed softly on his toes and not flat-footed. Lebron's weight also mainly comes from his lower body, not upper body. He has a wide and strong base and he has more of a football type body.

Back when I played football in the mid-late 80's the emphasis was on compound movements and core workouts, as well as stabilization muscle groups.Nowadays as I said before these strength and conditioning coaches are more worried about how fast a player can perform an exercise than how well they can actually do it without feeling tired, worn down, or pain. If your body isn't familiar with certain movements you have a higher risk of injury when you start, stop, twist, and contort your body.


do you have the link?


or name?


might still be able to dig it up via that one archival site or google cache


there were good posts in there

[90sgoat]

Everyone seems to ignore that the younger the rookies, the less chance to screen for injury concerns.

When players used to be in college for 3-4 seasons, you could screen them, they would play a lot of games and if they were injury prone it would probably show.

Something else is that as the game got softer, the need for strong and physically though players went away and even if people like to claim that technical players are not more injury prone, everyone knows that the lanky technical guys get injured a lot more than the powerful players. This is true for any sport, football, soccer whatever.

[ZenMaster]

You are a teenage basketball player. By the time you were 6, you had begun playing basketball on a travel team. When you turned 10, you began practicing daily. Once you reached high school, you were waking up at 5:30 to practice your shooting before school, and after a two hour practice, you come home to lift weights and improve your conditioning. In the summer, you play in tournaments every weekend, with intense practices during the week.

But one day, something feels off. You didn’t land awkwardly, or make contact with another player, but your knee is in extreme pain. Soon, you’ll realize that you will need surgery; that your knee was injured because of the stress put on it. And now you are in a vicious cycle of returning to the court, only to need more rehabilitation. You watch as your offers from college programs dissipate, and as your teammate, the one who you have always dominated, gets a scholarship offer because he was able to play the whole season had a growth spurt, making him a more appealing option than you. Your basketball career is finished before it even began.


“Bigger. Faster. Stronger.” has become the un-official motto of basketball players everywhere trying to work on their games and their bodies. The act of specializing in a sport at a young age has become commonplace, but especially so in youth basketball. The issue with specializing is that it causes players to burn-out both physically and mentally before they have reached adulthood.

It seems to make sense why parents are specializing their kids in sports at a young age. They are just seeking a competitive advantage. But it is also logical to see why specialization is actually doing more harm than good for athletes. After all, in a vacuum, if a basketball player is only using the same few muscles and joints by doing the same movements over and over again, it is clear why those muscles and joints get worn down quickly. If parents allow their kids to play multiple sports, then every muscle and joint in their body will be less worn down.

https://medium.com/basketball-university/youth-basketballs-injury-crisis-98409ce63201


It’s difficult to tally how many hours of basketball today’s athlete might play before he reaches the NBA. But consider that a parent could sign their child up for organized youth basketball as young as 7 years old -- and continue on that path all the way through high school. How many games might that equate to? Officials from one of the most prestigious teams on the Nike EYBL circuit estimate that someone who played consistently between 7 and 19 -- over a span of 13 years -- could easily play more than 1,000 organized games (which doesn’t include club-team practices, or pickup games, or workouts with trainers).

https://www.rollbamaroll.com/2019/7/12/20691463/ticking-time-bombs-aau-and-youth-sports-culture-are-creating-catastrophic-injuries

[ArbitraryWater]

do you have the link?


or name?


might still be able to dig it up via that one archival site or google cache


there were good posts in there


anything?