Is Rudy Gobert for John Collins a fair trade??

[Lebron23]

I expect both of them to be traded before the nba trading deadline. I think Gobert is going to be a good fit for the Atlanta Hawks.

[Xiao Yao You]

sure all NBA for a role player!

[Kblaze8855]

The all nba third team center(and he wasn’t even that last year and won’t be this year either it seems) has not been someone you’d call a star since 2013 Dwight. It’s been Andre Drummond, Chandler, Deandre Jordan, Al Horford, and so on. Well I guess you can call KAT and Al Jefferson stars. But elite players?

No all nba third team center has been elite in like 15 years. I’m talking Yao Ming.

That said you still don’t trade him for Collins.

[Xiao Yao You]

The all nba third team center(and he wasn’t even that last year and won’t be this year either it seems) has not been someone you’d call a star since 2013 Dwight. It’s been Andre Drummond, Chandler, Deandre Jordan, Al Horford, and so on. Well I guess you can call KAT and Al Jefferson stars. But elite players?

No all nba third team center has been elite in like 15 years. I’m talking Yao Ming.

That said you still don’t trade him for Collins.

Gobert over Yao any day. Yao was a liability on D, not a great rebounder and not aggressive enough and I love me some Yao. I'd call Al an inefficient black hole who was also a defensive liability. Drummond's teams didn't win for some reason despite how great he was. Jordan played with the goat pg and an otherwise loaded team. Gobert was the best player on a good team.

I look at two way guys. Gobert, prime Howard and Horford. The rest aren't in the conversation

[HoopologyPhD]

No, OP has been drinking too many Tom Collins.

[Kblaze8855]

Gobert over Yao any day. Yao was a liability on D, not a great rebounder and not aggressive enough and I love me some Yao. I'd call Al an inefficient black hole who was also a defensive liability. Drummond's teams didn't win for some reason despite how great he was. Jordan played with the goat pg and an otherwise loaded team. Gobert was the best player on a good team.

I look at two way guys. Gobert, prime Howard and Horford. The rest aren't in the conversation

Drummond was great? I can’t tell if you’re being sarcastic.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Minnie can't do that if for no other reason than the huge package they traded to get Gobert to begin with. They gave up a whole potential rotation. No all of those picks don't normally become solid players but it was a lot of picks plus a few useful players. Really crazy trade.

[RRR3]

Drummond was great? I can’t tell if you’re being sarcastic.
You really not gonna comment on him calling Chris Paul the GOAT PG? I love CP3 but lol. Not to mention Gobert over Yao lmfao

[Xiao Yao You]

can't quit me

[nayte]

Next season is the judge for Rudy. Will give em this year as a gimmie

[Xiao Yao You]

Next season is the judge for Rudy. Will give em this year as a gimmie

1/2 game out of playoffs and 4 out of 3rd seed. Trade deadline and buyout season coming

[nayte]

Ok and.
I'm not hating on Rudy I have more patience then most. I feel like if it doesn't gel next year then changes have to be made.

[Xiao Yao You]

Ok and.
I'm not hating on Rudy I have more patience then most. I feel like if it doesn't gel next year then changes have to be made.

might need some changes now. Have to build around Edwards. Russell probably not long for Minnesota

[Lebron23]

Hawks might add some first or 2nd round draft picks. Gobert might be a perfect for Atlanta. They need him against the Joel Embiid.

[Xiao Yao You]

Hawks might add some first or 2nd round draft picks. Gobert might be a perfect for Atlanta. They need him against the Joel Embiid.

but Capela is supposedly the same player

[j3lademaster]

I look at two way guys. Gobert, prime Howard and Horford. The rest aren't in the conversationGobert is not exactly what many would consider a two way player.

[RRR3]

Gobert is not exactly what many would consider a two way player.
:lol

[Xiao Yao You]

Gobert is not exactly what many would consider a two way player.

if you are one that looks at scoring I guess

[j3lademaster]

if you are one that looks at scoring I guessI'll use Marc Gasol as an example. 2 way center who's more of a 15 ppg guy than a 20 ppg guy. You can't leave a 6'6" guy(exceptions are out there ofc i.e Draymond Green who is an exceptional defender) on him and go small since he actually has a post game, and you can't sag off of him because he has a reliable jumper. You can also expect him to make the right pass, something else Gobert just can't do for you. So it's not just stats like ppg, it's how you force the defense to play you.

[Xiao Yao You]

I'll use Marc Gasol as an example. 2 way center who's more of a 15 ppg guy than a 20 ppg guy. You can't leave a 6'6" guy(exceptions are out there ofc i.e Draymond Green who is an exceptional defender) on him and go small since he actually has a post game, and you can't sag off of him because he has a reliable jumper. You can also expect him to make the right pass, something else Gobert just can't do for you. So it's not just stats like ppg, it's how you force the defense to play you.

Screens, rim gravity, offensive rebounding are also important. Jazz had the best offense in the league last year. Impacts both ends

[Manny98]

Screens, rim gravity, offensive rebounding are also important. Jazz had the best offense in the league last year. Impacts both ends
By your logic Clippers DeAndre Jordan was an elite two way player since he was a great screen setter, offensive rebounder and was the best lob threat in the entire league and also lead the league in offensive rating

[ShawkFactory]

Screens, rim gravity, offensive rebounding are also important. Jazz had the best offense in the league last year. Impacts both ends

The Jazz are 4th in offense right now

[Xiao Yao You]

By your logic Clippers DeAndre Jordan was an elite two way player since he was a great screen setter, offensive rebounder and was the best lob threat in the entire league and also lead the league in offensive rating

no mention of defense there that would be the other way in two way troll

[Xiao Yao You]

The Jazz are 4th in offense right now

yep and with Gobert's D and rebounding they would be one of the top teams in the league

[j3lademaster]

no mention of defense there that would be the other way in two way trollSo what's keeping Deandre Jordan from being considered a two-way player was his defense?

[Manny98]

So what's keeping Deandre Jordan from being considered a two-way player was his defense?
Xiao with another gem :roll:

[ShawkFactory]

yep and with Gobert's D and rebounding they would be one of the top teams in the league

Yea they’d be better if they also got one of the best scorers in the league back

[Xiao Yao You]

Yea they’d be better if they also got one of the best scorers in the league back

scoring isn't their problem. D and rebounding are

[ShawkFactory]

scoring isn't their problem. D and rebounding are

Your initial argument is that Gobert heavily contributed to the teams offense.


Screens, rim gravity, offensive rebounding are also important. Jazz had the best offense in the league last year. Impacts both ends

Once it was brought up that the offense is still elite (even without Mitchell too) you're now moving the goalposts and talking about his defensive and rebounding impact.

Stop it.

[Xiao Yao You]

Your initial argument is that Gobert heavily contributed to the teams offense.



Once it was brought up that the offense is still elite (even without Mitchell too) you're now moving the goalposts and talking about his defensive and rebounding impact.

Stop it.

30 minutes a game and he wasn't a huge part of the #1 offense? They are a different team now. I don't really compare them.

[ShawkFactory]

30 minutes a game and he wasn't a huge part of the #1 offense? They are a different team now. I don't really compare them.

I truly can’t tell if you’re serious.

[Jasper]

I expect both of them to be traded before the nba trading deadline. I think Gobert is going to be a good fit for the Atlanta Hawks.

Hawks do not need him