TRADE: Wizards sending Rui Hachimura to Lakers for Nunn + three 2nd Round picks

[bison]

The Lakers are in the final stages of completing a deal to acquire Hachimura for a package that includes three second-round picks, sources tell ESPN. No deal has been finalized, but talks are in the final stages, sources said.


The Hachimura trade to the Lakers -- including three second-round picks and guard Kendrick Nunn -- is expected to be completed this afternoon, sources tell ESPN. The Lakers will land Hachimura, the ninth overall pick in the 2019 NBA Draft.

:banana:

UPDATE: Trade now official - http://www.insidehoops.com/blog/?p=29772

[RRR3]

Pelinkduh strikes again. ANOTHER player who can't shoot 3s or play defense. The man's the GOAT moron.

[tontoz]

Pelinkduh strikes again. ANOTHER player who can't shoot 3s or play defense. The man's the GOAT moron.

His shooting isn't that bad and he can play passable man D, but his team D is bad. No awareness at all.

Offensively he is OK but shoots too much for his skill level.

[RRR3]

His shooting isn't that bad and he can play passable man D, but his team D is bad. No awareness at all.

Offensively he is OK but shoots too much for his skill level.
33.7% from 3 on low volume is bad in today's league. Team d is far more imporant than man d as well. Another pointless move for the Lakers just so Pelinkduh can say he did something.

[tontoz]

33.7% from 3 on low volume is bad in today's league. Team d is far more imporant than man d as well. Another pointless move for the Lakers just so Pelinkduh can say he did something.



He shot 45% from 3 last year granted that was an anomoly. He will get more easy looks from 3 in LA.

[RRR3]

He shot 45% from 3 last year granted that was an anomoly. He will get more easy looks from 3 in LA.
Yeah except he only took a grand total of 123 3s last year, that is very low volume and an obvious outlier because he's been a brick artist the other 3 years he's played so far.

[Lee]

He is awful, but is he better than Troy brown or Gabriel? I think so.

[Proctor]

That's a heist for the Lakers.

That said, doesn't address their needs though.

[Manny98]

Gave up 3 2nds for a player who's injury prone, can't defend and had shown little to no improvement since coming into the league :facepalm

What does he even add to the team? Nothing could have used those assets for much better

[Manny98]

He is awful, but is he better than Troy brown or Gabriel? I think so.

Gabriel plays defense

[bison]

We got too many small guards so giving up Nunn for a player who is taller, longer, more physical in itself is an improvement. It's not a great move but its not a bad move if you had to do one. There isn't really too many options for the lakers anyway. The front office is adamant about not giving up 1st rounders (which is a good thing) so I didn't expect a Hield, Bojan or Rozier type player coming here this trade deadline

[RRR3]

We got too many small guards so giving up Nunn for a player who is taller, longer, more physical in itself is an improvement. It's not a great move but its not a bad move if you had to do one. There isn't really too many options for the lakers anyway. The front office is adamant about not giving up 1st rounders (which is a good thing) so I didn't expect a Hield, Bojan or Rozier type player coming here this trade deadline
Refusing to give up first rounders to go all in when you have LeBron James and Anthony Davis on your roster in a year in which the west is WIDE THE **** OPEN is retarded. And LeBron could decline at any moment too so you might as well go all in this year. Especially since he probably leaves if you don't and then AD might leave too and you're stuck with Pelinkduh trying to rebuild a roster.

[StrongLurk]

Pelinkduh strikes again. ANOTHER player who can't shoot 3s or play defense. The man's the GOAT moron.

He's an upgrade at least for catch and shoot threes (he'd have the highest % on the team, but low volume).

Regardless, moves like this do not matter. In fact, I think it's a bad move to get rid of so many second round picks.

Literally all that matters for this Lakers team is that Lebron/AD are FULLY healthy come playoff time. If they aren't, then they are beating anyone (or maybe not even making the playoffs again).

[bison]

Refusing to give up first rounders to go all in when you have LeBron James and Anthony Davis on your roster in a year in which the west is WIDE THE **** OPEN is retarded. And LeBron could decline at any moment too so you might as well go all in this year. Especially since he probably leaves if you don't and then AD might leave too and you're stuck with Pelinkduh trying to rebuild a roster.

The world doesn't revolve around Lebron.

[RRR3]

The world doesn't revolve around Lebron.
I know you hate seeing LeBron win a single game, but if you're going to commit to LeBron by re-signing him you should make win now moves. Otherwise it's pointless to sign him.

[FultzNationRISE]

The front office is adamant about not giving up 1st rounders (which is a good thing) so I didn't expect a Hield, Bojan or Rozier type player coming here this trade deadline


Thing is once Bron’s window is closed in 4-5 years, they can just move AD at that point and get those first rounders back and start a rebuild.

It doesnt make sense to save those picks now. Not when you still have LeGOAT James playing at an MVP level.

Ffs, if not for themselves then simply for BASKETBALL. The world wants to see LeSavior leading the Los Angeles Lakers on another title run. The sport needs it. Humanity needs it.

We are ALL witness.

[FultzNationRISE]

The world doesn't revolve around Lebron.


Excuse me?


Yes it does.

[Proctor]

I know you hate seeing LeBron win a single game, but if you're going to commit to LeBron by re-signing him you should make win now moves. Otherwise it's pointless to sign him.
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/image.php?u=378125&dateline=1636141682

[RRR3]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/image.php?u=378125&dateline=1636141682
:roll:

[tontoz]

Yeah except he only took a grand total of 123 3s last year, that is very low volume and an obvious outlier because he's been a brick artist the other 3 years he's played so far.



He's only taken 89 this year. Bottom line is that for his career he shoots 35.6% which might be a little below average but not as bad as you make it out to be.

[RRR3]

He's only taken 89 this year. Bottom line is that for his career he shoots 35.6% which might be a little below average but not as bad as you make it out to be.
On very low volume. If he shot 35.6% on high volume he would have been a much better fit.

[bison]

I know you hate seeing LeBron win a single game, but if you're going to commit to LeBron by re-signing him you should make win now moves. Otherwise it's pointless to sign him.

No I hate seeing the Lakers mortgage their future in order to further polish one dude's career. We are done punting on the future. Lakers team as is can already win NOW. small pieces help, they don't need to hit home runs in trades.

[RRR3]

No I hate seeing the Lakers mortgage their future in order to further polish one dude's career. We are done punting on the future. Lakers team as is can already win NOW. small pieces help, they don't need to hit home runs in trades.
You will literally never draft a player as good as even a 38 year old LeBron with any of those picks you're holding on to. "Win now" with Austin Reaves as the third best player :yaohappy:. Pretty easy path to winning a ring if you make the Hield Turner trade but as long as LeBron doesn't win it's a W for you!

[Patrick Chewing]

Don't see how this helps the Lakers. Surprised the Lakers still have picks left.

[tontoz]

On very low volume. If he shot 35.6% on high volume he would have been a much better fit.



He plays the 4. He wasn't standing around the 3 pt line much he actually gets touches in the post. His low volume was just because of his role in the offense.

He has taken over 4 attempts per 36 minutes the last two years. That isn't really low volume for a 4.

[highwhey]

The world doesn't revolve around Lebron.

then why do you post about him everyday

[RRR3]

then why do you post about him everyday
:yaohappy:

[Axe]

Looks like others have a hard time accepting the guy because he's asian.

[Im Still Ballin]

This is a good trade. LA needed a true wing and not another guard.

[ralph_i_el]

I gave Rui a chance as a fan. He's built like a Greek god....that's about the end of his positives. He can defend 1-on-1 against big strong tweeners, and he's basically a negative everywhere else. Teams don't chase him off the 3 point line. Multiple times a game I'll see him catch it at the 3 with a little space and pass up a shot that a confident shooter would take. He also has 0 court vision. Teams are not afraid of him beating them out of the double team, which significantly hurts his value as a post threat.

He looks like he should be good. He moves like he should be good. He is NOT good. Maybe the best system for him is one where he has to make 0 decisions and just play hard. I've never seen (theoretically) a perimeter guy need to be directed around on offense more than him.

[tontoz]

Yeah i am glad we traded him just because it means we wont resign him.

[RRR3]

Yeah i am glad we traded him just because it means we wont resign him.
It probably means you’re giving a huge contract to Kuzma so I wouldn’t get too excited

[NBAGOAT]

We got too many small guards so giving up Nunn for a player who is taller, longer, more physical in itself is an improvement. It's not a great move but its not a bad move if you had to do one. There isn't really too many options for the lakers anyway. The front office is adamant about not giving up 1st rounders (which is a good thing) so I didn't expect a Hield, Bojan or Rozier type player coming here this trade deadline

Rozier should not cost a 1st

[tontoz]

It probably means you’re giving a huge contract to Kuzma so I wouldn’t get too excited


I'll take Kuzma over Rui pretty easily. Kuzma is fairly popular amont Wiz fans.

Frankly i would like to see the Wizards just blow it up.

[Nike D'Antoni]

Does Pelinka work for the Wizards? He has been taken to the cleaners time and time again with them.

[ArbitraryWater]

Wtf?

Nunn is better than Hachimura lmao.

[RRR3]

I'll take Kuzma over Rui pretty easily. Kuzma is fairly popular amont Wiz fans.

Frankly i would like to see the Wizards just blow it up.
I would too but not for what you're gonna pay him. He's also taking shots away from your two best players, though that's more of a sign of coaching stupidity than anything else.

[tontoz]

I would too but not for what you're gonna pay him. He's also taking shots away from your two best players, though that's more of a sign of coaching stupidity than anything else.


KP and Beal aren't that good. Not too worried about either guy getting shots taken away lol.

Kuzma's shot selection is better when those two are playing though. When one or both are out then he gets too shot happy.

[RRR3]

KP and Beal aren't that good. Not too worried about either guy getting shots taken away lol.

Kuzma's shot selection is better when those two are playing though. When one or both are out then he gets too shot happy.
Porzingis has been one of the better players in the league this year by all impact metrics and it's very weird to call a guy who has scored 30+ PPG on good efficiency and been All-NBA "not that good".

If you don't see a problem with the following shot distribution idk what to tell you:

Beal: 22.5 PPG on 16.1 shots, 61.9 TS% (+4.0 rTS%)
Porzingis: 22.1 PPG on 15.4 shots, 59.8 TS% (+1.9 rTS%)
Kuzma: 21.8 PPG on 18.2 shots, 55.0 TS% (-2.9 rTS%)

[tontoz]

Porzingis has been one of the better players in the league this year by all impact metrics and it's very weird to call a guy who has scored 30+ PPG on good efficiency and been All-NBA "not that good".

If you don't see a problem with the following shot distribution idk what to tell you:

Beal: 22.5 PPG on 16.1 shots, 61.9 TS% (+4.0 rTS%)
Porzingis: 22.1 PPG on 15.4 shots, 59.8 TS% (+1.9 rTS%)
Kuzma: 21.8 PPG on 18.2 shots, 55.0 TS% (-2.9 rTS%)


Beal has missed 20 games. He came into the season looking to pass more which i liked. He was almost too unselfish. The problem was that he was still dribbling too much which screwed up the offense. Beal was much more effective when he had Wall/Russ handling the ball and he could play off ball. Without a playmaking pg he isn't as effective.

KP gets all the touches he wants. He just isn't a guy who aggressively looks to shoot. Typically he just takes what the D gives him. He is better than average but he won't make the All-Star game. Kuzma isn't taking any shots away from him. He just isn't a volume shooter.

Like i said previously when one of those guys is out Kuzma becomes too much of a gunner. Doesn't really bother me because he has won several games for us in the clutch and when he gets hot. I also think he is trying to take a lot of shots because it is a contract year.

[Xiao Yao You]

hopefully Clarkson is next!

[Axe]

hopefully Clarkson is next!
Meltdown.

[HylianNightmare]

That's a heist for the Lakers.

That said, doesn't address their needs though.

Exactly. Dude is worth a look for that cheap but the Lakers shit show will continue and its not like he's going to develop under lebron and AD

[Full Court]

That sucks. I like Hachimura. I hate to see him go to the Lakers.

Lakers are going big though for sure. Teams are going to have a lot of trouble dealing with their size.

[TAZORAC]

He is awful, but is he better than Troy brown or Gabriel? I think so.

He actually plays like Troy Brown. He's like a bigger slightly better version of Troy Brown.

[bladefd]

He actually plays like Troy Brown. He's like a bigger slightly better version of Troy Brown.

I think Troy Brown is better than Hachimura. Still they are different positions. Troy is mostly SF behind Lonnie Walker, Hachimura a PF.

Hachimura will take Toscano-Anderson's role as backup PF behind LeBron.

[Johnny32]

I think Troy Brown is better than Hachimura. Still they are different positions. Troy is mostly SF behind Lonnie Walker, Hachimura a PF.

Hachimura will take Toscano-Anderson's role as backup PF behind LeBron.

lol

[MrFonzworth]

hopefully Clarkson is next!

Wow you really hate Asians or what

[PP34Deuce]

Rui is basically a scoring undersized forward. Not a great shooter but can have 20 point games.

Schroeder showed lakers he can take most all minutes at back up pg.

[Proctor]

I think Troy Brown is better than Hachimura. Still they are different positions. Troy is mostly SF behind Lonnie Walker, Hachimura a PF.

Hachimura will take Toscano-Anderson's role as backup PF behind LeBron.

:oldlol:

[Axe]

Wow you really hate Asians or what
He should be sent to China. Or Taiwan.

[bladefd]

:oldlol:

You have not seen Troy play outside of box-score watching. It's pretty obvious to tell.

[Proctor]

You have not seen Troy play outside of box-score watching. It's pretty obvious to tell.
I will enjoy bumping this :facepalm

[ShawkFactory]

I will enjoy bumping this :facepalm

It's not really that insane. They have different styles but both are bottom of the rotation guys on a contending team that may not get minutes in a big series.

No use splitting hairs. Unless Rui has something else in the tank on a different team.

[bladefd]

Troy is a better defender and 3pt shooter. He is better off-the-ball.

Rui is better at mid-range game, has size, and probably better scorer.

However, they both play different positions as I said.

[coin24]

He sucks. Stupid trade, but Kendrick none is probably even worse..

[Proctor]

I think Troy Brown is better than Hachimura. Still they are different positions. Troy is mostly SF behind Lonnie Walker, Hachimura a PF.

Hachimura will take Toscano-Anderson's role as backup PF behind LeBron.
:lol

[ArbitraryWater]

I gotta eat crow on this one.

Man can ball.

Beasley is what I thought Rui would (also) be.

[bladefd]

:lol

It took you 3 months after bookmarking thread to say "Ha! I gotcha!"? :oldlol:

I would be glad to be wrong on this because LeBron is at the end. If Rui/Vanderbilt can take over LeBron's role then we will be good for years to come.

[Axe]

It took you 3 months after bookmarking thread to say "Ha! I gotcha!"? :oldlol:
:roll:

[RachlNicholsazz]

It took you 3 months after bookmarking thread to say "Ha! I gotcha!"? :oldlol:

I would be glad to be wrong on this because LeBron is at the end. If Rui/Vanderbilt can take over LeBron's role then we will be good for years to come.

Or one could say, it didn't even take til the end of the season to make your take look like ass

[Nike D'Antoni]

For some reason, he is hitting 3 point shots. Not sure How long he can keep this up.

[Nike D'Antoni]

This is robbery.

[Proctor]

You have not seen Troy play outside of box-score watching. It's pretty obvious to tell.
:cletus:

[bladefd]

:cletus:

Rui is better in playoffs, but let's not act like I wasn't right about regular season. Troy was better until the playoffs.

[ArbitraryWater]

Rui is better in playoffs, but let's not act like I wasn't right about regular season. Troy was better until the playoffs.

No he was not.

[bladefd]

No he was not.

Compare the advanced stats of the 2 in regular season.

[tontoz]

For some reason, he is hitting 3 point shots. Not sure How long he can keep this up.


Rui shot 45% on 3s last year. Not high volume. He is streaky but has gotten hot at the right time.

[ArbitraryWater]

Compare the advanced stats of the 2 in regular season.

makes no sense to compare advanced stats on these, Rui was and is creating his own shot out there. He was coming up big and breaking opponents rhythms with his scoring sprees. Troy was just a spot up shooter. Its not a discussion.

the basic stats tell the story even without context.

Rui did 10 ppg on 48%, Troy did 7 on 43%. Stop it.

[tontoz]

makes no sense to compare advanced stats on these, Rui was and is creating his own shot out there. He was coming up big and breaking opponents rhythms with his scoring sprees. Troy was just a spot up shooter. Its not a discussion.

the basic stats tell the story even without context.

Rui did 10 ppg on 48%, Troy did 7 on 43%. Stop it.


Rui has always been able to create his own shots. He just tried to do it too often on the wizards. Now he is getting set up for open shots more often.

His shot from 3 used to be too flat which he has worked on.

[bladefd]

makes no sense to compare advanced stats on these, Rui was and is creating his own shot out there. He was coming up big and breaking opponents rhythms with his scoring sprees. Troy was just a spot up shooter. Its not a discussion.

the basic stats tell the story even without context.

Rui did 10 ppg on 48%, Troy did 7 on 43%. Stop it.

Why don't advanced stats matter? Look at the defensive stats. Troy had better defensive rating and offensive ratings in regular season. Better from range too and free-throw shooting.

[ArbitraryWater]

Why don't advanced stats matter? Look at the defensive stats. Troy had better defensive rating and offensive ratings in regular season. Better from range too and free-throw shooting.

I just ooked it up, they have exacty the same ortg and drtg.

What are you taking about? Its not even cose.

Rui did 10 ppg on 48% whie creating his own shot and scoring buckets in key moments, and Troy did 7 ppg on 43% and you think he was better? Have some shame seriousy.

[bladefd]

I just ooked it up, they have exacty the same ortg and drtg.

What are you taking about? Its not even cose.

Rui did 10 ppg on 48% whie creating his own shot and scoring buckets in key moments, and Troy did 7 ppg on 43% and you think he was better? Have some shame seriousy.

https://i.ibb.co/bX7GRfF/troyvrui.jpg

See ORtg and DRtg? And OWS/DWS.

As for scoring, here's my post from January:



Troy is a better defender and 3pt shooter. He is better off-the-ball.

Rui is better at mid-range game, has size, and probably better scorer.

However, they both play different positions as I said.