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Kblaze8855
02-01-2023, 11:29 AM
Meaning not counting anyone you only know from highlights. People you watched in their primes during your lifetime as a fan.
Best
Transition scorer
White defensive player
Shooter over 65
Ball handler over 67
Passing 4(lets say majority of career at that position)
Perimeter defender
Screen game defender any size
Eurostep
Spot up shooter
Slasher vs a set defense
Thats ten. Society teaches us to work in multiples of ten so Ill stop.
Mask the Embiid
02-01-2023, 11:37 AM
Meaning not counting anyone you only know from highlights. People you watched in their primes during your lifetime as a fan.
Best
Transition scorer Lebron
White defensive player Captain Kirk
Shooter over 6’5” klay
Ball handler over 6’7” Joe Johnson
Passing 4(let’s say majority of career at that position) Ben Simmons… or dray if you want to follow the rules
Perimeter defender Andre Iguodala
Screen game defender any size big man embiid wings mcdaniels brothers (get over every damn screen when I watch and Caldwell pope (gets around screens like a mfer).
Eurostep Giannis cause he dunks that shit
Spot up shooter Otto Porter when he had a little run as the best player on the wizards in like 2016 17 or 18 I forget the year. John Wall was out of shape and beal was hurt or in a slump….
Slasher vs a set defense Lebron
Thats ten. Society teaches us to work in multiples of ten so I’ll stop.
Answers ^
ShawkFactory
02-01-2023, 11:39 AM
Meaning not counting anyone you only know from highlights. People you watched in their primes during your lifetime as a fan.
Best
Transition scorer Lebron
White defensive player American- Hinirch; Overall- AK47
Shooter over 6’5” Dirk
Ball handler over 6’7” Tmac
Passing 4(let’s say majority of career at that position) Webber the easy answer but I really only caught the tail end; I'll switch it up and say Pau. or Horford
Perimeter defender Tony Allen
Screen game defender any size Maybe recency bias but Jrue
Eurostep Manu- I feel like he invented it but idk; Wade's was perhaps more effective
Spot up shooter Korver
Slasher vs a set defense Wade
Thats ten. Society teaches us to work in multiples of ten so I’ll stop.
I did my best.
Kblaze8855
02-01-2023, 11:40 AM
I actually forgot Klay was tall as he is but Klay/KD/Dirk/Bird is a question depending on what one means by “shooter” I suppose.
Kblaze8855
02-01-2023, 11:46 AM
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That man could really blow up a screen game. He and Noah should have been together at their peaks. They would just erase modern offense.
Phoenix
02-01-2023, 11:49 AM
Meaning not counting anyone you only know from highlights. People you watched in their primes during your lifetime as a fan.
Best
Transition scorer Miami Lebron circa 2012
White defensive player No-one comes to mind
Shooter over 6’5” Dirk circa 2003
Ball handler over 6’7” Lebron circa 2012
Passing 4(let’s say majority of career at that position) Ummm... Chris Bosh circa 2012
Perimeter defender Jason Kidd 2006ish
Screen game defender any size Nobody comes to mind
Eurostep Nobody comes to mind
Spot up shooter Dirk circa 2003
Slasher vs a set defense D.Wade circa 2012
Thats ten. Society teaches us to work in multiples of ten so I’ll stop.
That's based on the 4-5 games I've seen live.
Wally450
02-01-2023, 12:26 PM
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Meaning not counting anyone you only know from highlights. People you watched in their primes during your lifetime as a fan.
Best
Transition scorer LeBron James
White defensive player Kirk Hinrich
Shooter over 65 Dirk Nowitzki
Ball handler over 67 Nikola Jokic
Passing 4(lets say majority of career at that position) Draymond Green
Perimeter defender Avery Bradley (Not the best, but the first one I thought of. Worth a shout though.)
Screen game defender any size Kevin Garnett
Eurostep Manu Ginobili
Spot up shooter Mickael Pietrus
Slasher vs a set defense Dwyane Wade
Thats ten. Society teaches us to work in multiples of ten so Ill stop.
BallsOut
02-01-2023, 12:39 PM
Leandro barbosa
Alex Caruso
Kobe Bryant
Shaun Livingston
Lamar Odom
Igoudala
Kevin Garnett
Ginobili
Klay Thompson
Dwayne Wade
zeerghit
02-01-2023, 12:46 PM
Meaning not counting anyone you only know from highlights. People you watched in their primes during your lifetime as a fan.
Best
Transition scorer Lebron
White defensive player AK47
Shooter over 6’5” Durant
Ball handler over 6’7” Green
Passing 4(let’s say majority of career at that position) Webber
Perimeter defender Allen
Screen game defender any size Jrue
Eurostep Marciulionis the first one
Spot up shooter R.Allen
Slasher vs a set defense Wade
Thats ten. Society teaches us to work in multiples of ten so I’ll stop.
just what comes to mind
Manny98
02-01-2023, 12:55 PM
Transition Scorer - LeBron
White Defender - Caruso
Shooter over 6'5 - Durant
Ball handler over 6'7 - LeBron
Passing 4 - Draymond
Perimeter Defender - Tony Allen
Pick and Roll Defender - KG
Eurostep - Manu
Spot up shooter - Klay
Slasher vs set defense - LeBron
Round Mound
02-01-2023, 03:11 PM
I did my best.
Good list.
highwhey
02-01-2023, 03:46 PM
Devin Booker
Jokic
Mikal Bridges
Overdrive
02-01-2023, 06:05 PM
Meaning not counting anyone you only know from highlights. People you watched in their primes during your lifetime as a fan.
Best
Transition scorer - Lebron
White defensive player - AK47
Shooter over 6’5” - Dirk
Ball handler over 6’7” - Grant Hill
Passing 4(let’s say majority of career at that position) - Chris Webber
Perimeter defender - Tony Allen, Gary Payton or Scottie Pippen. Others are close.
Screen game defender any size - Joakim Noah. Targeting him with PnR actually benefited the Bulls defense. He was that good.
Eurostep - Manu
Spot up shooter - Either Kerr, Klay or Korver.
Slasher vs a set defense - Wade
Thats ten. Society teaches us to work in multiples of ten so I’ll stop.
Some are pretty obvious to me while there are tons of great perimeter defenders over the years for example.
Airupthere
02-01-2023, 06:07 PM
Not a fan but PG and kyrie's games are smooth as hell. Fox was just too fast and Giannis powerful.
i'll just say stockton since he's the all time steal leader and that probably bothers some people
Smook A.
02-01-2023, 09:58 PM
Transition scorer - LeBron
White defensive player - Marc Gasol
Shooter over 6’5” - Dirk or KD
Ball handler over 6’7” - KD
Passing 4 - Draymond
Perimeter defender - Tony Allen
Screen game defender any size - idk
Eurostep - Harden, Wade, Manu
Spot up shooter - Klay
Slasher vs a set defense - LeBron or Wade
tontoz
02-01-2023, 10:12 PM
Making my own category here:
Best playoff series I've seen from an individual player from someone who was watching all the way back to Bird/Magic
Hakeem vs Drob was the best I ever saw. Drob won the MVP that season and Hakeem had a huge chip on his shoulder. It was complete domination.
ArbitraryWater
02-01-2023, 10:12 PM
Transition scorer
LeBron James
White defensive player
Caruso, Tayshaun Prince or Shane Battier? Didnt see AK47
Shooter over 6’5”
Dirk
Ball handler over 6’7”
LeBron James? Thinking SF+ here
Passing 4(let’s say majority of career at that position)
Gasol, McHale, Garnett?
Perimeter defender
Lebron James
Screen game defender any size
Eurostep
Wade 100%
Spot up shooter
Ray Allen, Steve Novak, Kyle Korver, J.J. Redick
Slasher vs a set defense
LeBron James, peak Wade, Harden, but also have to mention guys like Ginobili, Parker, Morant, peak Rose, Westbrook..
ArbitraryWater
02-01-2023, 10:13 PM
Transition scorer - LeBron
KD is a horribe ballhandler. lets say mediocre but you get the point.
Fumbles the ball all the time. Most of his TOs are just losing the ball... carries it notoriously. Very weak dribble without the constant carry.
Jasper
02-02-2023, 11:24 AM
Transition scorer - Dr. J ,
White defensive player - Bird
Shooter over 6’5” - Dirk or KD
Ball handler over 6’7” - Lebron
Passing 4 - Chambers
Perimeter defender - Tony Allen ,J. Holiday
Screen game defender any size - Karl Malone , J. Holiday
Eurostep - Manu , Giannis
Spot up shooter - Pistol Pete
Slasher vs a set defense - James Worthy / Giannis
ArbitraryWater
02-02-2023, 11:28 AM
Transition scorer - Dr. J ,
White defensive player - Bird
Shooter over 65 - Dirk or KD
Ball handler over 67 - Lebron
Passing 4 - Chambers
Perimeter defender - Tony Allen ,J. Holiday
Screen game defender any size - Karl Malone , J. Holiday
Eurostep - Manu , Giannis
Spot up shooter - Pistol Pete
Slasher vs a set defense - James Worthy / Giannis
Giannis is NOT a better sasher against a set defense than LeBron :oldlol:
thats absurd
Jasper
02-02-2023, 11:32 AM
giannis is not a better sasher against a set defense than lebron :oldlol:
Thats absurd
90% of giannis points are slashing whether set defense or transition/ you haven't watched him his whole career like i have.
Overdrive
02-02-2023, 01:20 PM
Giannis is NOT a better sasher against a set defense than LeBron :oldlol:
thats absurd
You picked Battier and Tayshaun as best white[sic!] defenders. So you must have seen their primes live. How can you pick Lebron over Wade as a set play slasher then?
dankok8
02-02-2023, 02:09 PM
Transition Scorer - LeBron James
White Defender - Kirk Hinrich
Shooter over 6'5 - Dirk Nowitski
Ball handler over 6'7 - LeBron James
Passing 4 - Draymond Green
Perimeter Defender - Gary Payton
Pick and Roll Defender - Kevin Garnett
Eurostep - Manu Ginobili
Spot up shooter - Stephen Curry
Slasher vs set defense - Michael Jordan
Real Men Wear Green
02-02-2023, 02:15 PM
Transition scorer Jordan but there were a few guys that were unstoppable.
White defensive player I will uncomfortably say Stockton
Shooter over 65 KD
Ball handler over 67 No sure answer but Magic and Steve Smith come to mind
Passing 4(lets say majority of career at that position) Antoine Walker. **** yall in advance
Perimeter defender Pippen
Screen game defender any size Robert Williams
Eurostep Ginobili
Spot up shooter Klay Thompson
Slasher vs a set defense Jordan
ArbitraryWater
02-02-2023, 03:45 PM
You picked Battier and Tayshaun as best white[sic!] defenders. So you must have seen their primes live. How can you pick Lebron over Wade as a set play slasher then?
haha why the sic! abbreviation.
I saw Batteri, I didnt see much of Prince but he seems long/wiry and moves well. He was prob a real pest in his day. Just not many coming to mind.
Im down with Caruso. That man is good.
Wade was at that level of slashing for only 4 years or so.
Overdrive
02-02-2023, 04:04 PM
haha why the sic! abbreviation.
I saw Batteri, I didnt see much of Prince but he seems long/wiry and moves well. He was prob a real pest in his day. Just not many coming to mind.
Im down with Caruso. That man is good.
Wade was at that level of slashing for only 4 years or so.
To put emphasis on blaze asking for white guys and you picking two black guys. Maybe you meant to put them on the perimeter defender list.
Wade was an elite slasher for about 9 years. He slowed down with it somewhere during the '13 season, while he still killed OKC with it in the '12 finals.
So you've seen Wade's elite slashing just as much as Battier's elite defense. IIRC you said you started watching in '10.
Yeah, Prince was crazy. He was on my shortlist for perimeter defenders along the mentioned ones, Battier, Bowen, Marion, Kidd and Eddie Jones.
At first I thought your Lebron pick for ball handlers above 6'7" was weird but after thinking about it. There are not many of that size that generally handle the ball and especially in your time of following.
Absolutely agree on Durant not being a good ball handler. His handles definately come from refs ignoring the rules.
Round Mound
02-02-2023, 11:50 PM
Magic Johnson when he came to Holland in 1993 and when i wen't to Houston i saw some pros from the Rockets practice. Don't really remember much.
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