Satanic Grammys

[1987_Lakers]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9Fv4lIFZ7A

[ArbitraryWater]

„Racy“, they call it. Haha


Couldnt believe my eyes. What must the people in the audience think?

Surely not all satanists

[Patrick Chewing]

If there is no pushback towards Satanic imagery, then it will just grow. And if Christians do push back, then the Satanists always counter-attack with the whole "pedophile" nonsense. Being good and wholesome is not popular anymore. Trying to outdo yourself each and every year with Satanic imagery is what's in.

It pains me to say this because I despise that religion, but the only people that can eradicate these Satanists and all that LGBTQ nonsense in this country are the Muslims. And we all know everyone is afraid of criticizing Islam.

[1987_Lakers]

„Racy“, they call it. Haha


Couldnt believe my eyes. What must the people in the audience think?

Surely not all satanists

I was at a girl's house last night and she was watching this when the performance was happening. The kicker was after the performance was over they immediately went to commercial and said "The grammys are sponsored by pfizer".

I'm not really a religious person, but it all felt super weird. :lol

[PANTHALASSA]

Everyone knows award shows are about fake controversy.

If you watched it live, or you sat there and clicked that thumbnail…. This is what you signed up for. You know exactly what youre going to get.

The Grammys did their jobs. Got all the same old people eagerly watching it specifically as an opportunity to complain.

Instead of just ignoring low quality content and going about their day, people gotta make sure they watched what everyone else watched and have their outrage registered. If you sat there and watched it you just encouraged them with your actions to do something even more absurd next year.

But lets face it, the complainers WANTED to watch it. They love it. They just feel guilty, so they complain in order to separate themselves from all the other rubes who watch it and love it.

“I only watched it cuz I hate this stuff!”

Imagine taking the same bait over and over and over.



And as I typed that last line I realized Im taking the same bait too. Explaining things for the umpteenth time when I know I should have stopped bothering LONG ago. I know this post will change nothing. Ive just completely wasted my time and brainpower on something COMPLETELY useless, and I knew it before I even started and I did it anyway.


Madness.

[bison]

“I only watched it cuz I hate this stuff!”

Imagine taking the same bait over and over and over.


Me watching NBA all star weekend every year.

[bison]

That's as pretty corny a performance gets in regards to satanic imagery. Did we all miss out on the satanic metal bands from the 80s and 90s? I mean who was this supposed to offend, stay at home Mormon moms? The real satanic stuff isn't red horns and and pitchforks. Sam Smith looks like he got all that from Party City. No, the real satanic stuff that I saw in the Grammys was the celebration of obesity and chemical castration, once when that woman praised Lizzo for fat black representation and Sam Smith bringing out that tranny to thank other trannies in the business.

[Off the Court]

Meanwhile Chewing listens to Iron Maiden which makes the Grammys look like harmless child's play.

https://media2.miaminewtimes.com/mia/imager/u/original/11211641/iron_maiden_live_2.jpg

Imagine how hard the internet would explode if Ozzy bit the head off a bat today.

[j3lademaster]

My biggest problem is that the song sucks. But really, the message is just 'infidelity is bad, you don't deserve your woman' which isn't the worst.

[j3lademaster]

Meanwhile Chewing listens to Iron Maiden which makes the Grammys look like harmless child's play.

https://media2.miaminewtimes.com/mia/imager/u/original/11211641/iron_maiden_live_2.jpg

Imagine how hard the internet would explode if Ozzy bit the head off a bat today.Agreed. Most of them have very harmless meanings. Using your Iron Maiden example, Steve Harris has confirmed ' Number of the Beast' was just a kid having a bad dream. But yeah in terms of visuals and presentation, if you listen to Black Sabbath, Slayer etc this shouldn't be anything new, just worse music which imo is a sin in itself.

[Off the Court]

Agreed. Most of them have very harmless meanings. Using your Iron Maiden example, Steve Harris has confirmed ' Number of the Beast' was just a kid having a bad dream. But yeah in terms of visuals and presentation, if you listen to Black Sabbath, Slayer etc this shouldn't be anything new, just worse music which imo is a sin in itself.

All of those 80s hair bands used satanic imagery and it was mostly just a used a big f-you to their hard core conservative upbringings. What's funny is that many of today's conservatives grew up on that music and have now transformed into their hard core conservative parents who labeled anything and everything satanic.

[Overdrive]

Meanwhile Chewing listens to Iron Maiden which makes the Grammys look like harmless child's play.

https://media2.miaminewtimes.com/mia/imager/u/original/11211641/iron_maiden_live_2.jpg

Imagine how hard the internet would explode if Ozzy bit the head off a bat today.

He only listens to the non satanic songs.

[ArbitraryWater]

The usual defendents of abhorrent images, behaviour and culture have arrived.

[ArbitraryWater]

https://i.gyazo.com/04d4b9257cf5114398df3ca32da6e41b.jpg

[Patrick Chewing]

I've never seen Bruce Dickinson dress up as Satan. Has anyone seen him dress up as Satan? Anyone?

[Overdrive]

The usual defendents of abhorrent images, behaviour and culture have arrived.

No I'm just not offended by pop music retards trying to cash in by provoking some conservatives.

Both sides on your pic are extremists.

[AlternativeAcc.]

The country is becoming less and less religious.

I've never understood what 'satanic' even means or why it matters for people. We know Satan doesn't exist and there's no evil spiritual realm with demons. It's Santa Claus and lepperchans guys. Who cares lol.

Humans are bizzare

[ArbitraryWater]

No I'm just not offended by pop music retards trying to cash in by provoking some conservatives.

Both sides on your pic are extremists.


you very much shoud be. Youre deluding yourself telling yourself its a "cash grab" by "provoking conservatives". How would this yield to cash?

Youre ridiculous.

Then again, you consider going to church extremism.

Good luck on that.

[Overdrive]

I've never seen Bruce Dickinson dress up as Satan. Has anyone seen him dress up as Satan? Anyone?

He only sings about it. Jon Schaffer made a whole 2nd side of an album about the forthcoming birth of satan.
But sure you feel offended by some idiots using what some PR fool believes to be satanic imagery.

[ArbitraryWater]

https://i.gyazo.com/c651bcd4ae551ef1af91de217dc5e5e4.jpg

[ArbitraryWater]

He only sings about it. Jon Schaffer made a whole 2nd side of an album about the forthcoming birth of satan.
But sure you feel offended by some idiots using what some PR fool believes to be satanic imagery.


:oldlol:


Overdrive is like the embodiment of the blue pill.


https://y.yarn.co/01c9a96a-0862-4c9a-bcf3-ff51c707b29b_text.gif

[j3lademaster]

I mean who was this supposed to offendNo one? Why does everything have to be offensive? The song is about the 'unholy' desires of a cheating man.

[Overdrive]

you very much shoud be. Youre deluding yourself telling yourself its a "cash grab" by "provoking conservatives". How would this yield to cash?

Youre ridiculous.

Then again, you consider going to church extremism.

Good luck on that.

You can't see how provoking conservatives could lead to cash in on your mediocre music? You might want to google who Marilyn Manson is. He's living pretty good on this one trick pony fornsome 30 years already.

Yeah, christian imagery is just as extreme as satanistic.

[Off the Court]

The country is becoming less and less religious.

I've never understood what 'satanic' even means or why it matters for people. We know Satan doesn't exist and there's no evil spiritual realm with demons. It's Santa Claus and lepperchans guys. Who cares lol.

Humans are bizzare

We disagree with some things but I agree with you here.

[ArbitraryWater]

https://www.instagram.com/p/CoU0FanAlaZ/


"its just a PR cash grab! Nothing to do with Hollywoods satanism"

[ArbitraryWater]

You can't see how provoking conservatives could lead to cash in on your mediocre music? You might want to google who Marilyn Manson is. He's living pretty good on this one trick pony fornsome 30 years already.

Yeah, christian imagery is just as extreme as satanistic.


Mariyn Mansons career is supposed to be funded by angry conservatives?


Are you really this dumb? :lol


What imagery?

Im talking about going to church vs. satanic worship.

Stop conflating the topic with your nonsense

[Off the Court]

https://i.gyazo.com/04d4b9257cf5114398df3ca32da6e41b.jpg
The one on the left is a lot more fun than the one on the right and all of them will go to the same place after death.

[ArbitraryWater]

The country is becoming less and less religious.

I've never understood what 'satanic' even means or why it matters for people. We know Satan doesn't exist and there's no evil spiritual realm with demons. It's Santa Claus and lepperchans guys. Who cares lol.

Humans are bizzare

I mean, its less to do less to do with wether you think there is a literal devil or not..

but its more so what the devil stands for that makes it worrisome for him to be worshipped. What satanists believe in.

You cant tell me you dont feel something else when watching a ritual like that, opposed to seeing Taylor Swifts Blank Space or whatever


Here is why it matters to satanists, this is pretty interesting:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaCGVU5hl48

[Overdrive]

:oldlol:


Overdrive is like the embodiment of the blue pill.


https://y.yarn.co/01c9a96a-0862-4c9a-bcf3-ff51c707b29b_text.gif

You're just conditioned by your christian upbringing. You think I am the one who's blue pilled? Nothing you ever posted here indicates you can unfollow the conservative narrative you live in. Any topic, you follow it; I several times already conceded to some of Chewy's or Chris' opinions being right, while I don't share their general sentiment on society. You can't. You're caught and won't ever get out. You just believe the narrative you live in is the "right" one

If you really believe there was anything satanic going on on stage you're pretty naive. Satan is an christian invention, because they coildn't fattom their all loving god being evil.

The post you quoted was pointing at chewy's hypocrisy when it comes to his selectiveness which satanic symbolism is ok and which is not.

[ArbitraryWater]

The one on the left is a lot more fun than the one on the right and all of them will go to the same place after death.

Dressing up is fun? Dressing up as the devil is fun?

Godspeed.

[AlternativeAcc.]

We disagree with some things but I agree with you here.

We probably agree on a lot more things than we disagree tbh. Politics doesn't drive my views

[ArbitraryWater]

You're just conditioned by your christian upbringing. You think I am the one who's blue pilled? Nothing you ever posted here indicates you can unfollow the conservative narrative you live in. Any topic, you follow it; I several times already conceded to some of Chewy's or Chris' opinions being right, while I don't share their general sentiment on society. You can't. You're caught and won't ever get out. You just believe the narrative you live in is the "right" one

If you really believe there was anything satanic going on on stage you're pretty naive. Satan is an christian invention, because they coildn't fattom their all loving god being evil.

The post you quoted was pointing at chewy's hypocrisy when it comes to his selectiveness which satanic symbolism is ok and which is not.


What christian upbringing?

I havent been brought up religious at all.

I merely understand myself and the human condition. I can still feel.

Youre detached and brainwashed.


Anything goes for you at this point.


Artistic expression has become satanic worship and you arent as much blinking an eye..


"because they coildn't fattom their all loving god being evil." so you actually believe in god? :oldlol:


Make up your mind.

[Overdrive]

Mariyn Mansons career is supposed to be funded by angry conservatives?


Are you really this dumb? :lol


You got to be the densest mf I've ever seen.

[Off the Court]

at chewy's hypocrisy when it comes to his selectiveness which satanic symbolism is ok and which is not.
The satanic music from his youth = good
The satanic music for today's youth = bad

[ArbitraryWater]

The satanic music from his youth = good
The satanic music for today's youth = bad


To clarify, you have absolutely no issue with the Grammys being such a performance?

[Patrick Chewing]

He only sings about it. Jon Schaffer made a whole 2nd side of an album about the forthcoming birth of satan.
But sure you feel offended by some idiots using what some PR fool believes to be satanic imagery.

That kind of lyricism and imagery is part of Heavy Metal culture. Like, I didn't get offended when I saw Ronnie James Dio throw up the horns on a constant basis:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FS4daN7XsAM9KCo.jpg

Because Heavy Metal has always been about the Counterculture. And Dio was a Catholic. Later in life he put very little stock in religion, but he wasn't a Satanist. However, it is different when you see Satanic imagery in Pop Music, which is the mainstream. It reaches a wider variety of people. I don't even know who those people are in the OP, but I guarantee you that if you ask any average 12 year old who they are, they will know. And I guarantee you if you ask them who Dio or Iron Maiden are, they will not.


So there is a difference. Satanic imagery in the mainstream is not a good thing. That's what the OP is referring to. You just want to find reasons to point your finger at me and cry out "hypocrite!" like some baby.

[ArbitraryWater]

https://www.instagram.com/p/CoU0FanAlaZ/


nothing to see here, folks

[ArbitraryWater]

That kind of lyricism and imagery is part of Heavy Metal culture. Like, I didn't get offended when I saw Ronnie James Dio throw up the horns on a constant basis:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FS4daN7XsAM9KCo.jpg

Because Heavy Metal has always been about the Counterculture. And Dio was a Catholic. Later in life he put very little stock in religion, but he wasn't a Satanist. However, it is different when you see Satanic imagery in Pop Music, which is the mainstream. It reaches a wider variety of people. I don't even know who those people are in the OP, but I guarantee you that if you ask any average 12 year old who they are, they will know. And I guarantee you if you ask them who Dio or Iron Maiden are, they will not.


So there is a difference. Satanic imagery in the mainstream is not a good thing. That's what the OP is referring to. You just want to find reasons to point your finger at me and cry out "hypocrite!" like some baby.


rare highwey based post


maybe those bible readings brought some sense in after all

[Patrick Chewing]

To clarify, you have absolutely no issue with the Grammys being such a performance?

No, because back in 1987, Rob Halford wore a devil mask for his performance in Donnington.

[Patrick Chewing]

rare highwey based post


maybe those bible readings brought some sense in after all

But it's a me, a Patrick!

[ArbitraryWater]

No, because back in 1987, Rob Halford wore a devil mask for his performance in Donnington.


:oldlol:


Seriously, what an incompetent, deflecting person. Absolute weirdo.

[ArbitraryWater]

But it's a me, a Patrick!

oh shit hahaha

[Overdrive]

What christian upbringing?

I havent been brought up religious at all.

I merely understand myself and the human condition. I can still feel.

Youre detached and brainwashed.


Anything goes for you at this point.


Artistic expression has become satanic worship and you arent as much blinking an eye..


"because they coildn't fattom their all loving god being evil." so you actually believe in god? :oldlol:


Make up your mind.

Doesn't matter if it were your parents. You being afraid of satanic imagery clearly shows your thought concepts being deeply rooted into christian conservativism which quite goes along your usual stances on topics.

Who brainwashes me? I don't follow any instititution.

Ehat does anything goes even mean? Are you just throwing buzzwords at me?

What about that quote indicates I believe in god? They believe in their god and they had to come up with a coping mechanism.

[ArbitraryWater]

Doesn't matter if it were your parents. You being afraid of satanic imagery clearly shows your thought concepts being deeply rooted into christian conservativism which quite goes along your usual stances on topics.

Who brainwashes me? I don't follow any instititution.

Ehat does anything goes even mean? Are you just throwing buzzwords at me?

What about that quote indicates I believe in god? They believe in their god and they had to come up with a coping mechanism.

What institution do I follow?

None.

Nice try trying to name-frame me though.

Since Christians and Believers dont see their God as evil or doing evil, thats your interpretation.


Yeah, "anything goes" is a "buzzword" :roll::roll:


You have no idea what a buzzword is, do you? :oldlol:



"Anything goes" Objection your honor, buzzword! You idiot you :lol

[ArbitraryWater]

This is now already a classic thread for Overdrive saying "anything goes" is a buzzword

[Overdrive]

That kind of lyricism and imagery is part of Heavy Metal culture. Like, I didn't get offended when I saw Ronnie James Dio throw up the horns on a constant basis:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FS4daN7XsAM9KCo.jpg

Because Heavy Metal has always been about the Counterculture. And Dio was a Catholic. Later in life he put very little stock in religion, but he wasn't a Satanist. However, it is different when you see Satanic imagery in Pop Music, which is the mainstream. It reaches a wider variety of people. I don't even know who those people are in the OP, but I guarantee you that if you ask any average 12 year old who they are, they will know. And I guarantee you if you ask them who Dio or Iron Maiden are, they will not.


So there is a difference. Satanic imagery in the mainstream is not a good thing. That's what the OP is referring to. You just want to find reasons to point your finger at me and cry out "hypocrite!" like some baby.

So you're sole reason is that it reaches more people? Maybe more impressible people? You think a performance by some pop act makes kids satanists? What exactly are you concerned about?

You might also want to read up what the mani cornuti are really about.

[Patrick Chewing]

Imagine the argument him and Off the Court are making here. That you can't be critical of last night's Grammy performance because you listen to Iron Maiden. :roll:

[Overdrive]

This is now already a classic thread for Overdrive saying "anything goes" is a buzzword

Yeah, it's a buzzword, because it doesn't really say anything. You think people will start slaughtering goats in the name of Satan, because they've seen this performance? You think I condone criminal acts, because some pop idiots try provoke with cliché satanic imagery? If you really believe this you're beyond salvageable.

[Patrick Chewing]

So you're sole reason is that it reaches more people? Maybe more impressible people? You think a performance by some pop act makes kids satanists? What exactly are you concerned about?

You might also want to read up what the mani cornuti are really about.

My sole reason for what? You and Off the Court are the one's with the problem. You disagreed with what we said. You don't like us personally, so when you see a moment to call us out, you take it.

Yes, Satanic imagery is a problem for impressionable youths. And in today's day and age where they can watch it on TV, their phone, their tablet, their computer, it is important that children are not watching this kind of content. I mean, are you disagreeing with that? You think they should? Children should watch anything they want? Like, what's your argument against ours? It had to have been more than just you guys coming in to this thread running and screaming trying to point out that we listen to Iron Maiden.

[Off the Court]

Imagine the argument him and Off the Court are making here. That you can't be critical of last night's Grammy performance because you listen to Iron Maiden. :roll:

https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/exxqX8XVN3tmQvph5ZLayM.jpg

If you're endorse this concert, you're not allowed to be critical of the Grammys

sorry mate

[Off the Court]

Everyone needs to stop pretending that there are legions of people who are running out to worship Satan too. That isn't a real problem in society. Does anyone here know a real Satan worshiper?

If you want to get critical of music you should be critical of the music that supports gun violence. That impact can be seen.

[Patrick Chewing]

https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/exxqX8XVN3tmQvph5ZLayM.jpg

If you're endorse this concert, you're not allowed to be critical of the Grammys

sorry mate

Was this concert broadcast live on CBS last night? Was Bruce Dickinson dressed up as Satan? (Second time I ask that question for you)

What about this concert...

https://www.rollingstone.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/iron-maiden-opener.jpg

Is that a Satanic plane?


And I endorse any Iron Maiden concert because they are a million times better than that Pop crap you listen to on a daily basis, sweetheart.

[Off the Court]

It was the Legacy of the Beat world tour

https://tshirtslayer.com/files-tshirt/styles/shirtview/public/user-9198/tss--0c9df8ef83dd89b5669421736af0d226.jpeg

It went from city and city and probably reached as many people as the Grammys did that no one watches now.

[Patrick Chewing]

Everyone needs to stop pretending that there are legions of people who are running out to worship Satan too. That isn't a real problem in society. Does anyone here know a real Satan worshiper?

If you want to get critical of music you should be critical of the music that supports gun violence. That impact can be seen.


There are more Satanists now than there were 30 years ago.

There are less Christians now than there were 30 years ago.

[Off the Court]

https://www.ppgpaintsarena.com/assets/img/EventPageLargeFeature_IronMaiden19-4b50be5c66.jpg

There is that plane crashed in a decimated church.

burning angels falling in the background.

[Patrick Chewing]

It was the Legacy of the Beat world tour

https://tshirtslayer.com/files-tshirt/styles/shirtview/public/user-9198/tss--0c9df8ef83dd89b5669421736af0d226.jpeg

It went from city and city and probably reached as many people as the Grammys did that no one watches now.

It must drive you crazy to try and prove me wrong. It must drive you crazy to go searching for data to use against me. :oldlol:

[Overdrive]

My sole reason for what? You and Off the Court are the one's with the problem. You disagreed with what we said. You don't like us personally, so when you see a moment to call us out, you take it.

Yes, Satanic imagery is a problem for impressionable youths. And in today's day and age where they can watch it on TV, their phone, their tablet, their computer, it is important that children are not watching this kind of content. I mean, are you disagreeing with that? You think they should? Children should watch anything they want? Like, what's your argument against ours? It had to have been more than just you guys coming in to this thread running and screaming trying to point out that we listen to Iron Maiden.

No, I firmly believe that children should be kept away from media overflow as long as possible. I don't care what media exactly. The overabundance of impressions just kills their fantasy and concentration

I wouldn't let my kid watch the grammys no matter what because its a selfindulgend shitshow for some rich idiots, but some stupid PR stunt doesn't make it any better or worse.

I don't disagree with you or call you hypocrite, because I don't like you. I just find it odd that it's okay in one place and not in other.

I already stated that our differences aside I'd most likely would drknk a beer with you if we met. I don't judge people by their online persona.

[ArbitraryWater]

Yeah, it's a buzzword, because it doesn't really say anything. You think people will start slaughtering goats in the name of Satan, because they've seen this performance? You think I condone criminal acts, because some pop idiots try provoke with cliché satanic imagery? If you really believe this you're beyond salvageable.


You have no idea what a buzzword is. :oldlol:

"anything goes" lmao

[Patrick Chewing]

No, I firmly believe that children should be kept away from media overflow as long as possible. I don't care what media exactly. The overabundance of impressions just kills their fantasy and concentration

I wouldn't let my kid watch the grammys no matter what because its a selfindulgend shitshow for some rich idiots, but some stupid PR stunt doesn't make it any better or worse.

I don't disagree with you or call you hypocrite, because I don't like you. I just find it odd that it's okay in one place and not in other.

I already stated that our differences aside I'd most likely would drknk a beer with you if we met. I don't judge people by their online persona.

Ahh well that's good. I would drink a beer with any of you. Even the poster I dislike the most on this board, RRR3.

[ArbitraryWater]

https://i.gyazo.com/3db017cc3b2442aed180ecd953787d1c.png


One of the great minds of our time

[ArbitraryWater]

Overdrives house of cards would tumble if he would actually answer these questions:

Did Marilyn Manson enjoy success cause of angry conservatives?

"You can't see how provoking conservatives could lead to cash in on your mediocre music? You might want to google who Marilyn Manson is. He's living pretty good on this one trick pony fornsome 30 years already."

Is going to church as extreme as satanic acts?

Do you believe in God or how are who is the "evil God" you speak of?

[Patrick Chewing]

https://i.gyazo.com/3db017cc3b2442aed180ecd953787d1c.png


One of the great minds of our time

I agree 100%. With the rise of social media, I have seen more people care about only themselves. Many of us have been narcissistic and hateful. Since we no longer communicate effectively with one another, someone who is in this sense, "Satanic", only flies off the handle when met with pushback or adversity. That's why we can't get along anymore. You never see the Christian or the overtly religious whether they be Christian, Jewish, or Muslim just raging on the street or on social media. Yes, you will find one or two of course (before Off the Court furiously tries to find an example), but the majority of the angry, the bitter, and the hateful are those without religion or at the very least, spirituality.

[SATAN]

It's art. There is a message there and imagery to accompany it. That's what art is. Being offended by something like this beyond stupid. Being played like fools.

The Grammys suck.

[Norcaliblunt]

Rock n Roll is the devils music. This is fact.

[Overdrive]

Overdrives house of cards would tumble if he would actually answer these questions:

Did Marilyn Manson enjoy success cause of angry conservatives?

"You can't see how provoking conservatives could lead to cash in on your mediocre music? You might want to google who Marilyn Manson is. He's living pretty good on this one trick pony fornsome 30 years already."


Is this concept really hard to grasp? You provoke side A you cash in from side B, who hates side A. This happens in politics every day. Yes, Manson enjoyed success, because he provoked conservatives since that draws people who don't like conservatism to his music.




Is going to church as extreme as satanic acts?


Is dressing as the devil for halloween extreme? No, if you lead your life dependent of an outside beliefsystem that dedicates your everyday routine, yes that would be extreme. These people in the op. They're doing the halloween dressup and if not they're just morons.



Do you believe in God or how are who is the "evil God" you speak of?

Nothing in my first quote implies that I believe in god. It clearly says "they". I, as an outsider, can observe that people believe in a deity with certain attributes without believing in it. You're trying to construct an argument that isn't there.

[Overdrive]

https://i.gyazo.com/3db017cc3b2442aed180ecd953787d1c.png


One of the great minds of our time

Funny how classic leftism is the opposite of worship of one's self. It's about solidarity with the poor. The working class and exploited. It's the sentiment that the american liberals are somewhat leftist while in fact they're mostly centric to right wing in their ideas. In recent years they started to push a segretational agenda. They're nowhere close to real leftism.

[Norcaliblunt]

Screamin Jay Hawkins coming out of caskets on stage.

The Beach Boys recording songs written by Charlie Manson.

The Beatles and Led Zeppelin heavy into Aleister Crowley and backmasking.

The Rolling Stones performing Sympathy for the Devil while people die in the crowd at Altamont.

Michael Jackson turning into the Thriller zombie for real.

Madonna dry humping the stage while singing about being a virgin.


These are all classic pop artists messing with the devil. List goes on and on forever. All good music and art is messing with the devil to a degree.

[Norcaliblunt]

Funny how classic leftism is the opposite of worship of one's self. It's about solidarity with the poor. The working class and exploited. It's the sentiment that the american liberals are somewhat leftist while in fact they're mostly centric to right wing in their ideas. In recent years they started to push a segretational agenda. They're nowhere close to real leftism.

https://friendsofjustice.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/lavey.jpg

[Norcaliblunt]

https://i.gyazo.com/3db017cc3b2442aed180ecd953787d1c.png


One of the great minds of our time


Try again.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS6CQ55EokuX3zcjpwQVRL9PhsuUCWLf _CKPw&usqp=CAU

[Overdrive]

Try again.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS6CQ55EokuX3zcjpwQVRL9PhsuUCWLf _CKPw&usqp=CAU

Pretty much. The problem with AW is. That he's from a generation that hasn't seen leftism. The generation 20-30 in western europe is reaping the benefits from 70s and 80s social democratic movements without acknowledging it. The "leftism" they get presented is some blue haired american morons and they pick that as some boogeyman while the american liberal movement absolutely holds no weight within the european left.

The only ones picking it up are some borderline bourgeoise yet progressive media outlets. Mostly in line with the current stream of green parties here. They mix that up with leftism, because the US barely has any leftism.

[Off the Court]

With some people it is hard to tell who is just playing tribal politics with this and who has been religiously brainwashed to the point that they believe Satan is coming to get them through music :oldlol:

I want to say most are just being tribal. At least I hope so.

[Patrick Chewing]

Funny how classic leftism is the opposite of worship of one's self. It's about solidarity with the poor. The working class and exploited. It's the sentiment that the american liberals are somewhat leftist while in fact they're mostly centric to right wing in their ideas. In recent years they started to push a segretational agenda. They're nowhere close to real leftism.

I have said it before and I'll say it again, today's Conservatives are yesterday's Liberals.

[Patrick Chewing]

With some people it is hard to tell who is just playing tribal politics with this and who has been religiously brainwashed to the point that they believe Satan is coming to get them through music :oldlol:

I want to say most are just being tribal. At least I hope so.

Why do you have such a problem with what people believe in?? Just cause it's opposite of what you believe to be true?

There is good and evil in this world and those two truths predate any modern-day religion.

[Norcaliblunt]

https://youtu.be/GU35oCHGhJ0

[Overdrive]

I have said it before and I'll say it again, today's Conservatives are yesterday's Liberals.

I can agree with that. Most liberal(still kinda different than the US version, but more in the vain) people I got to know over the years came from wealthy to rich parents. They fight for the "good" cause while young just to turn into their parents the moment they acquire some sort of wealth themselves.

[SATAN]

Why do you have such a problem with what people believe in??

The hypocrite strikes again.

[Chick Stern]

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/93/e8/e4/93e8e48d146e3f2898df21aae16cc711.jpg

[Off the Court]

Why do you have such a problem with what people believe in?? Just cause it's opposite of what you believe to be true?

There is good and evil in this world and those two truths predate any modern-day religion.

With you I already know you're just being tribal. You don't attend church, you aren't a real Christian, you just wear that hat because they told you to.

You listened to the most satanic shit metal ever made where the people on stage are barfing pentagrams on the audience :oldlol:

Did that music make you worship Satan in your youth? No of course not. So you have the wisdom to understand this is also harmless. You're just taking this moment to say "look liberals are evil devils everyone!". But anyone who isn't a complete drooling moron knows there is nothing to fear.

[j3lademaster]

I have said it before and I'll say it again, today's Conservatives are yesterday's Liberals.So conservatives had a shift in ideology where they've become the 70's era liberals?

[Patrick Chewing]

With you I already know you're just being tribal. You don't attend church, you aren't a real Christian, you just wear that hat because they told you to.

You listened to the most satanic shit metal ever made where the people on stage are barfing pentagrams on the audience :oldlol:

Did that music make you worship Satan in your youth? No of course not. So you have the wisdom to understand this is also harmless. You're just taking this moment to say "look liberals are evil devils everyone!". But anyone who isn't a complete drooling moron knows there is nothing to fear.

None of the Metal I listen to is Satanic. You have very little knowledge of the Heavy Metal genre.

The only reason you are in this thread was to go up against me.

[Patrick Chewing]

So conservatives had a shift in ideology where they've become the 70's era liberals?

I think so. Freedom of speech and expression are essential to us whereas Liberals have all of a sudden adopted cancel culture and are redefining speech as we speak.

[Doomsday Dallas]

https://i.gyazo.com/04d4b9257cf5114398df3ca32da6e41b.jpg


Yep... that's exactly where we are at today.

nailed it perfectly.

[Overdrive]

Yep... that's exactly where we are at today.

nailed it perfectly.

The reason you and me can type our garbage opinion into a computer is because men abandoned the right images.

Also the left one is not the opposite of the right. It stems from the same beliefsystem.

[Off the Court]

The reason you and me can type our garbage opinion into a computer is because men abandoned the right images.

Also the left one is not the opposite of the right. It stems from the same beliefsystem.

Exactly, the image on the right created the image on the left.

[Off the Court]

Also I don't think the media has declared those people to be "normal" :oldlol:

Obviously it's a show

[Lakers Legend#32]

With you I already know you're just being tribal. You don't attend church, you aren't a real Christian, you just wear that hat because they told you to.

You listened to the most satanic shit metal ever made where the people on stage are barfing pentagrams on the audience :oldlol:

Did that music make you worship Satan in your youth? No of course not. So you have the wisdom to understand this is also harmless. You're just taking this moment to say "look liberals are evil devils everyone!". But anyone who isn't a complete drooling moron knows there is nothing to fear.

Not only does Poopsie not go to church,

He call for the death of the LGBTQ community.

He's divorced.

Looks like Poopsie is the one turning away from God.

Tubby is an agent of Satan.

[ArbitraryWater]

As usual, Democrats have no problems with satanic worship and rituals.


:lol

[ArbitraryWater]

Is this concept really hard to grasp? You provoke side A you cash in from side B, who hates side A. This happens in politics every day. Yes, Manson enjoyed success, because he provoked conservatives since that draws people who don't like conservatism to his music.




Is dressing as the devil for halloween extreme? No, if you lead your life dependent of an outside beliefsystem that dedicates your everyday routine, yes that would be extreme. These people in the op. They're doing the halloween dressup and if not they're just morons.



Nothing in my first quote implies that I believe in god. It clearly says "they". I, as an outsider, can observe that people believe in a deity with certain attributes without believing in it. You're trying to construct an argument that isn't there.


Why are you making up circumstances that no one is complaining about? what halloween dress-up? I thought it was a cash grab to provoke conservatives?

:lol


No, Manson did not enjoy success because he provoked conservatives. You are ridiculously dumb.


Again, same question to you, you have no issues with shows being riddled with satanic worship?

Would you have your kids watch this?

[ArbitraryWater]

The reason you and me can type our garbage opinion into a computer is because men abandoned the right images.

Also the left one is not the opposite of the right. It stems from the same beliefsystem.

no matter how much you wanna conflate the issue, its the opposite.

One is goodness and kindness, the other is evil.



“But hey, if Jesus is saving people, I mean, I won’t stand in His way. Sure, I’ll be saved. Why not?” Musk concluded.


And here you are instead trying to tear it down. Do better.

[ArbitraryWater]

Also I don't think the media has declared those people to be "normal" :oldlol:

Obviously it's a show

Are you living under a rock?

This is accepted now. Outside. In public.

All degeneracy is welcome.

[SATAN]

Some of the dumbest people I've ever seen post on this forum.

[Off the Court]

Are you living under a rock?

This is accepted now. Outside. In public.

All degeneracy is welcome.

Outside in public? Like when you go to the grocery store everyone is singing and dancing in devil outfits? :roll:

It's not me living under a rock, it's you hiding under a rock because your tribe fear mongered you into believing Satan is coming to get you :oldlol:

[j3lademaster]

Outside in public? Like when you go to the grocery store everyone is singing and dancing in devil outfits? :roll:

It's not me living under a rock, it's you hiding under a rock because your tribe fear mongered you into believing Satan is coming to get you :oldlol:
You’re just mad the grocery store you frequent is basic and boring.

[Overdrive]

It's like you can't follow an argument longer than a few words. Obvious by you only answering the first sentence of a paragraph. Also obvious you don't have an ounce of abstract thinking in you. Thus I'll change the way I'll interact with you.


Why are you making up circumstances that no one is complaining about? what halloween dress-up? I thought it was a cash grab to provoke conservatives?

:lol

1: Dressing up as something without deep believe = harmless
2: These people don't deeply believe
3: It's a PR stunt
4: People who deeply believe and interfere with others = bad



No, Manson did not enjoy success because he provoked conservatives. You are ridiculously dumb.

1: You want to sell a product
2: A group(A) resents a group(B)
3: You clearly position against B
4: You sell your product to A



Again, same question to you, you have no issues with shows being riddled with satanic worship?

1: I have a few hundred metal albums
2: I'm not afraid of an imaginary red goat
3: Dressing up in red gowns doesn't make someone a real satanist
4: Catholic bishops are dressed in red gowns



Would you have your kids watch this?

1: No, already stated ITT
2: It's a stupid show, no matter who stars in it
3: Kids should be kept away from media overexposure as long as possible

[Overdrive]

no matter how much you wanna conflate the issue, its the opposite.

One is goodness and kindness, the other is evil.



“But hey, if Jesus is saving people, I mean, I won’t stand in His way. Sure, I’ll be saved. Why not?” Musk concluded.


And here you are instead trying to tear it down. Do better.

1: No, it's not
2: Satan is part of the abrahamic belief system
3: Give an example of evil satanists by name
4: The catholic church has a history of evil doings
5: These deeds reach well into present day
6: I don't care what Musk concludes
7: I never harmed someone intentionally
8: I'm caring, helpful, faithful and openminded
9: 7 & 8 happen without me being afraid of a red goat or some bearded dude

[n00bie]

People still watch these award shows?

[Norcaliblunt]

Generals gathered in their masses
Just like witches at black masses
Evil minds that plot destruction
Sorcerer of death's construction

In the fields, the bodies burning
As the war machine keeps turning
Death and hatred to mankind
Poisoning their brainwashed minds
Oh lord, yeah!

Politicians hide themselves away
They only started the war
Why should they go out to fight?
They leave that role to the poor, yeah

Time will tell on their power minds
Making war just for fun
Treating people just like pawns in chess
Wait till their judgement day comes, yeah!

Now in darkness, world stops turning
Ashes where their bodies burning
No more war pigs have the power
Hand of God has struck the hour

Day of judgement, God is calling
On their knees, the war pigs crawling
Begging mercy for their sins
Satan laughing, spreads his wings
Oh lord, yeah!

[Patrick Chewing]

People still watch these award shows?

You bet they do. And when a thread is made on ISH about it, Off the Court (formerly known as the poster MaxFly) comes running in here to debate you on your position.

[SouBeachTalents]

The country is becoming less and less religious.

I've never understood what 'satanic' even means or why it matters for people. We know Satan doesn't exist and there's no evil spiritual realm with demons. It's Santa Claus and lepperchans guys. Who cares lol.

Humans are bizzare
This x100. Just being honest, it's amazing to me adults actually believe in this shit :lol

[TheMan]

Meanwhile Chewing listens to Iron Maiden which makes the Grammys look like harmless child's play.

https://media2.miaminewtimes.com/mia/imager/u/original/11211641/iron_maiden_live_2.jpg

Imagine how hard the internet would explode if Ozzy bit the head off a bat today.

Only dumbasses believe Iron Maiden are Satanists. They have songs about God such as Sign Of The Cross, Judgement Of Heaven and For The Greater Good Of God...they also have a lot of songs about the horrors of war, doesn't mean they are pro war.

[Off the Court]

Only dumbasses believe Iron Maiden are Satanists. They have songs about God such as Sign Of The Cross, Judgement Of Heaven and For The Greater Good Of God...they also have a lot of songs about the horrors of war, doesn't mean they are pro war.

Exactly, only dumbasses believe any theatrics of that nature are literally satanic. You and Chewing are capable of seeing that in 80s metal bands but you can't see the same thing in the generations to follow?

[Overdrive]

Only dumbasses believe Iron Maiden are Satanists. They have songs about God such as Sign Of The Cross, Judgement Of Heaven and For The Greater Good Of God...they also have a lot of songs about the horrors of war, doesn't mean they are pro war.

You're making his point.

[Off the Court]

No one has even touched on the fact that this is the pinnacle of free speech. The freedom to have shows like this without being torched at the stake by a bunch of cultish religious zealots. This is what you get with free speech, people doing what they want to do.

[TheMan]

I've never seen Bruce Dickinson dress up as Satan. Has anyone seen him dress up as Satan? Anyone?

No but he does rock a mean cross...
https://metalinvader.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/ironmaiden2020.jpg
And Black Sabbath's Tony Iommi is a weird Satanist wearing the Christian cross :eek:
https://i.iheart.com/v3/re/new_assets/61c0ba24a2c46714084a3622

[Overdrive]

No but he does rock a mean cross...
https://metalinvader.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/ironmaiden2020.jpg
And Black Sabbath's Tony Iommi is a weird Satanist wearing the Christian cross :eek:
https://i.iheart.com/v3/re/new_assets/61c0ba24a2c46714084a3622

What about Angus Young? Is he a satanist?

btw here's the dude from the Grammys wearing crosses.

https://content2.promiflash.de/article-images/video_1080/sam-smith-laechelt-leicht.jpg

[j3lademaster]

This x100. Just being honest, it's amazing to me adults actually believe in this shit :lolI can see it though. You're indoctrinated at a young age to "just have faith... and believe", and after a while it becomes your comfort zone whenever you have thoughts on existentialism and your own mortality. And soon you no longer need empirical evidence to believe what you want to believe. And that's why flat earthers and big foot trackers exist.

[Off the Court]

I can see it though. You're indoctrinated at a young age to "just have faith... and believe", and after a while it becomes your comfort zone whenever you have thoughts on existentialism and your own mortality. And soon you no longer need empirical evidence to believe what you want to believe. And that's why flat earthers and big foot trackers exist.

Yep it's implanted at birth. Pounded into their head as toddlers and then they are given the ultimate fear mongering, that if they don't believe as told they will burn in hell forever. Imagining something of that nature as a child is so intense that they trained their brain to never stray from the idea that the Bible could be all one big bag of nothing. Just like every religion that came and went before it.

[SouBeachTalents]

I believed in god when I was a child, but you would think by the time you reached even adolescence, let alone adulthood, you would realize how completely absurd and unrealistic it is. This sums it up perfectly to me.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZ8hefESt7c&ab_channel=twsx

[Norcaliblunt]

Religion? God? Satan? Jesus? Pagan deities? It all could be fake, but what’s not fake is the energy and power people give these symbols and archetypes. That’s magick.

[Long Duck Dong]

Meanwhile Chewing listens to Iron Maiden which makes the Grammys look like harmless child's play.

https://media2.miaminewtimes.com/mia/imager/u/original/11211641/iron_maiden_live_2.jpg

Imagine how hard the internet would explode if Ozzy bit the head off a bat today.

At least the bat was dead. Didn't he bite the head off live doves? These days he's a PETA member. :lol

[diamenz]

it's just music. it's a gimmick to sell records. n199@z be trippin' man.

[Patrick Chewing]

I think there is a disconnect and a very fine line between what I and TheMan are saying versus what Off The Court (formerly known as MaxFly) and Overdrive are saying.

Overdrive seems reasonable enough to understand what I'm about to say, but I know damn well Off The Court will not. I think Heavy Metal should never be looked at as the same in terms of edgy content in order to gain attention as Pop is. The two of them are nothing like each other and do what they do for very different reasons. Why do I say this? Because while I'm no Metal historian, I do believe I explained the reasoning behind why Heavy Metal bands used this imagery back in the day and continue to use it today. It is the counterculture approach of being anti-mainstream. And most certainly anti-Pop. This is why you have the leather, the spikes, the chains, etc.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFly5TwDKOg

While Off The Court (formerly known as MaxFly) doesn't think there's a difference between the two and just wants to shut anyone down who disagrees with his simplistic view of life, I will simply point out the difference for anyone to see. You can agree or disagree with me. Doesn't matter to me one bit.

So let's recap real quick:

- Heavy Metal bands use that imagery because the music is extreme and it's a big F U to corporate and mainstream music. Are they Satanists? Very few if any. Most Metal musicians are religious to an extent. A lot of Christians and Jews involved in the Metal scene.

And considering how Heavy Metal has gone down in popularity in terms of record sales and overall exposure, the Satanic imagery isn't done to "get attention" as some of you suggest. It goes back to what I believe to be true. It's part of the culture.

Now....to the flipside of that coin. I have no idea who Sam Smith or whatever his name is. But, if he's on the Grammy's, then that must mean he's pretty popular and doesn't need to create a buzz about him. Like, you don't do something crazy and edgy to be more popular, no. You're already on the Grammy's. You're popular. Everything else is stupid. However, you have to be a blind fool if you haven't noticed a pattern of more and more Satanic imagery in music and on TV, while at the same time there is an all out war on Christianity and religion in general. Look at the vitriol you see on this board towards religion, especially Christianity. So I think the Satanic imagery we see on TV is due to a narcissistic feeling of blurring the lines of what is right and wrong, blurring the lines of morality, and taking place in acts that contradict the message you would get at a Church, Temple, or Mosque. You can sing about dark and demonic forces in your Heavy Metal lyrics, or you can live in dark and demonic forces as we see in today's Pop music.

[Norcaliblunt]

I think there is a disconnect and a very fine line between what I and TheMan are saying versus what Off The Court (formerly known as MaxFly) and Overdrive are saying.

Overdrive seems reasonable enough to understand what I'm about to say, but I know damn well Off The Court will not. I think Heavy Metal should never be looked at as the same in terms of edgy content in order to gain attention as Pop is. The two of them are nothing like each other and do what they do for very different reasons. Why do I say this? Because while I'm no Metal historian, I do believe I explained the reasoning behind why Heavy Metal bands used this imagery back in the day and continue to use it today. It is the counterculture approach of being anti-mainstream. And most certainly anti-Pop. This is why you have the leather, the spikes, the chains, etc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFly5TwDKOg

While Off The Court (formerly known as MaxFly) doesn't think there's a difference between the two and just wants to shut anyone down who disagrees with his simplistic view of life, I will simply point out the difference for anyone to see. You can agree or disagree with me. Doesn't matter to me one bit.

So let's recap real quick:

- Heavy Metal bands use that imagery because the music is extreme and it's a big F U to corporate and mainstream music. Are they Satanists? Very few if any. Most Metal musicians are religious to an extent. A lot of Christians and Jews involved in the Metal scene.

And considering how Heavy Metal has gone down in popularity in terms of record sales and overall exposure, the Satanic imagery isn't done to "get attention" as some of you suggest. It goes back to what I believe to be true. It's part of the culture.

Now....to the flipside of that coin. I have no idea who Sam Smith or whatever his name is. But, if he's on the Grammy's, then that must mean he's pretty popular and doesn't need to create a buzz about him. Like, you don't do something crazy and edgy to be more popular, no. You're already on the Grammy's. You're popular. Everything else is stupid. However, you have to be a blind fool if you haven't noticed a pattern of more and more Satanic imagery in music and on TV, while at the same time there is an all out war on Christianity and religion in general. Look at the vitriol you see on this board towards religion, especially Christianity. So I think the Satanic imagery we see on TV is due to a narcissistic feeling of blurring the lines of what is right and wrong, blurring the lines of morality, and taking place in acts that contradict the message you would get at a Church, Temple, or Mosque. You can sing about dark and demonic forces in your Heavy Metal lyrics, or you can live in dark and demonic forces as we see in today's Pop music.


Dude Mick Jagger who is as big as a pop star as you can get sang “Sympathy for the Devil” while people were actually dying in the crowd at Altamont in 1969. Pop stars The Beatles put Aleister Crowley on their own album cover in 1967. The legend of how Rock n Roll started stems from the story of blues guitarist Robert Johnson selling his soul to the devil at the cross roads.

You don’t know history and how music itself is the devil.

[Overdrive]

I think there is a disconnect and a very fine line between what I and TheMan are saying versus what Off The Court (formerly known as MaxFly) and Overdrive are saying.

Overdrive seems reasonable enough to understand what I'm about to say, but I know damn well Off The Court will not. I think Heavy Metal should never be looked at as the same in terms of edgy content in order to gain attention as Pop is. The two of them are nothing like each other and do what they do for very different reasons. Why do I say this? Because while I'm no Metal historian, I do believe I explained the reasoning behind why Heavy Metal bands used this imagery back in the day and continue to use it today. It is the counterculture approach of being anti-mainstream. And most certainly anti-Pop. This is why you have the leather, the spikes, the chains, etc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFly5TwDKOg

While Off The Court (formerly known as MaxFly) doesn't think there's a difference between the two and just wants to shut anyone down who disagrees with his simplistic view of life, I will simply point out the difference for anyone to see. You can agree or disagree with me. Doesn't matter to me one bit.

So let's recap real quick:

- Heavy Metal bands use that imagery because the music is extreme and it's a big F U to corporate and mainstream music. Are they Satanists? Very few if any. Most Metal musicians are religious to an extent. A lot of Christians and Jews involved in the Metal scene.

And considering how Heavy Metal has gone down in popularity in terms of record sales and overall exposure, the Satanic imagery isn't done to "get attention" as some of you suggest. It goes back to what I believe to be true. It's part of the culture.

Now....to the flipside of that coin. I have no idea who Sam Smith or whatever his name is. But, if he's on the Grammy's, then that must mean he's pretty popular and doesn't need to create a buzz about him. Like, you don't do something crazy and edgy to be more popular, no. You're already on the Grammy's. You're popular. Everything else is stupid. However, you have to be a blind fool if you haven't noticed a pattern of more and more Satanic imagery in music and on TV, while at the same time there is an all out war on Christianity and religion in general. Look at the vitriol you see on this board towards religion, especially Christianity. So I think the Satanic imagery we see on TV is due to a narcissistic feeling of blurring the lines of what is right and wrong, blurring the lines of morality, and taking place in acts that contradict the message you would get at a Church, Temple, or Mosque. You can sing about dark and demonic forces in your Heavy Metal lyrics, or you can live in dark and demonic forces as we see in today's Pop music.

I understand what you're saying. Understood it right from the start.

I'm just saying it's still a gimmick. Why would Madonna, George Michael, Britney Spears, Christina Aguilera among others have to do outrageous stuff when they were already top selling popstars? These people just do this to further boost their sales.

I think you interpret too much into it.

[Patrick Chewing]

Dude Mick Jagger who is as big as a pop star as you can get sang “Sympathy for the Devil” while people were actually dying in the crowd at Altamont in 1969. Pop stars The Beatles put Aleister Crowley on their own album cover in 1967. The legend of how Rock n Roll started stems from the story of blues guitarist Robert Johnson selling his soul to the devil at the cross roads.

You don’t know history and how music itself is the devil.

Where am I denying that many people in the recording industry sold their soul? Stones, Beatles, all those guys = Mainstream Pop.

The argument I'm making is that Heavy Metal and Pop/Mainstream is not all the same as Off the Court states. He came in here criticizing our critique of the Grammy's by comparing what you see on the Grammy's and Heavy Metal. And I'm arguing that while Metal does have that imagery, I firmly believe hardly any of those guys "sold their soul" for fame, money, etc.

Modern-day Satanism is trying to make it to the mainstream and it's being done through the popular mainstream music of today.

[Norcaliblunt]

Man people on both sides of this argument need to do their homework and actually understand where these ideas come from.


https://youtu.be/atWeSp_KYgs


https://youtu.be/JHnuYdM3OPA

[Norcaliblunt]

Where am I denying that many people in the recording industry sold their soul? Stones, Beatles, all those guys = Mainstream Pop.

The argument I'm making is that Heavy Metal and Pop/Mainstream is not all the same as Off the Court states. He came in here criticizing our critique of the Grammy's by comparing what you see on the Grammy's and Heavy Metal. And I'm arguing that while Metal does have that imagery, I firmly believe hardly any of those guys "sold their soul" for fame, money, etc.

Modern-day Satanism is trying to make it to the mainstream and it's being done through the popular mainstream music of today.

You are acting alarmed like this is something new. It isn’t and goes back forever. It’s not any worse today than back in the day.

[j3lademaster]

I think there is a disconnect and a very fine line between what I and TheMan are saying versus what Off The Court (formerly known as MaxFly) and Overdrive are saying.

Overdrive seems reasonable enough to understand what I'm about to say, but I know damn well Off The Court will not. I think Heavy Metal should never be looked at as the same in terms of edgy content in order to gain attention as Pop is. The two of them are nothing like each other and do what they do for very different reasons. Why do I say this? Because while I'm no Metal historian, I do believe I explained the reasoning behind why Heavy Metal bands used this imagery back in the day and continue to use it today. It is the counterculture approach of being anti-mainstream. And most certainly anti-Pop. This is why you have the leather, the spikes, the chains, etc.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFly5TwDKOg

While Off The Court (formerly known as MaxFly) doesn't think there's a difference between the two and just wants to shut anyone down who disagrees with his simplistic view of life, I will simply point out the difference for anyone to see. You can agree or disagree with me. Doesn't matter to me one bit.

So let's recap real quick:

- Heavy Metal bands use that imagery because the music is extreme and it's a big F U to corporate and mainstream music. Are they Satanists? Very few if any. Most Metal musicians are religious to an extent. A lot of Christians and Jews involved in the Metal scene.

And considering how Heavy Metal has gone down in popularity in terms of record sales and overall exposure, the Satanic imagery isn't done to "get attention" as some of you suggest. It goes back to what I believe to be true. It's part of the culture.

Now....to the flipside of that coin. I have no idea who Sam Smith or whatever his name is. But, if he's on the Grammy's, then that must mean he's pretty popular and doesn't need to create a buzz about him. Like, you don't do something crazy and edgy to be more popular, no. You're already on the Grammy's. You're popular. Everything else is stupid. However, you have to be a blind fool if you haven't noticed a pattern of more and more Satanic imagery in music and on TV, while at the same time there is an all out war on Christianity and religion in general. Look at the vitriol you see on this board towards religion, especially Christianity. So I think the Satanic imagery we see on TV is due to a narcissistic feeling of blurring the lines of what is right and wrong, blurring the lines of morality, and taking place in acts that contradict the message you would get at a Church, Temple, or Mosque. You can sing about dark and demonic forces in your Heavy Metal lyrics, or you can live in dark and demonic forces as we see in today's Pop music.That makes absolutely no sense.

So modern pop music can't be counterculture? Because, there's some rule somewhere only metal is allowed to be? You're trying to set these arbitrary boundaries to why entertainers that YOU like are allowed to do something that other entertainers aren't.

The song is about the 'unholy' desires of a man who is cheating, so the costumes and background fit a theme. It's pageantry.

And what's wrong with Sam Smith wanting to get 'more popular'? More popular = more money. Are we anticapitalist now? I'm cool with capping wealth. Once you're at $999,999,999 net worth you get a plaque that says "Congratulations, you've won Capitalism!" and that's that. It's the next guy's turn.

And I believe in everyone doing what the hell they want as long as it doesn't hurt others. If people wanna congregate in a church because they like the community, have at it. The problems start when they affect others: threatening to burn Galileo at the stake if he doesn't renounce his research, actively sabotaging any bill against global warming, transphobia, homophobia etc.

[Patrick Chewing]

You are acting alarmed like this is something new. It isn’t and goes back forever. It’s not any worse today than back in the day.

I don't disagree.

I would only argue that it is worse today because it is so much easier for children or anyone to access these images, words, lyrics, videos, etc. With the internet, social media, computers, and smart phones, it's nearly impossible to avoid this. And it's no surprise that church attendance is at its lowest levels ever.

[diamenz]

For many right-wing conservatives watching, this year’s Grammy’s offered an unholy alliance of everything they hate. Firstly, Pfizer—the pharmaceutical company that came out with the first COVID-19 vaccine—was among this year’s event sponsors. Then there was Smith, who’s been targeted by culture warriors since coming out as gender queer in 2019. Smith has since celebrated their identity with playful, flamboyant fashion. In a recent sexy music video, they wore everything pink, fluffy gowns and daring, burlesque-style outfits and was accused of “normalizing pornography.”

Earlier in the evening on Sunday, Smith and Petras also won the award for “best pop duo.” Petras, who accepted the award, made Grammy history by becoming the first transgender woman to win an award.

:roll:

[Norcaliblunt]

The debate about art and its place in society can be traced all the way back to Plato. Plato was skeptical of art as he thought it corrupts and perverts reality. It’s imitation and false knowledge. So there’s that too.

[Off the Court]

Satanic imagery doesn't do shit to anyone and no one should understand that more than an Iron Maiden fan.

Meanwhile


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUfEsGIRemg

There is music out there influencing real damage that Sam Smith could never dream of doing by wearing some cheap plastic red horns on his head.

[Norcaliblunt]

The best and most blatant use of satanism for shock value did come from Hip Hop.


https://youtu.be/TcIlbL8E1-k

[Norcaliblunt]

https://i.discogs.com/wzKhdLSIN1oM6hO3gT9Xdo60q2NG9_-BN7PlPjxn1EM/rs:fit/g:sm/q:90/h:600/w:600/czM6Ly9kaXNjb2dz/LWRhdGFiYXNlLWlt/YWdlcy9SLTQ2NDYx/MTQtMTU5NjkxNzMw/Ni03MjMxLnBuZw.jpeg

[Patrick Chewing]

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/MetallicApprehensiveAnnelida-max-1mb.gif



VERSUS



https://media.tenor.com/-JGN3qCUliwAAAAC/judas-priest-rob-halford.gif

[SATAN]

while at the same time there is an all out war on Christianity and religion in general.

The eternal victim at it again :oldlol:

It's less a "war" against Christianity and more so a "**** off" to ignorant religious nutjobs.

[Patrick Chewing]

The eternal victim at it again :oldlol:

It's less a "war" against Christianity and more so a "**** off" to ignorant religious nutjobs.

What's a religious nutjob to you? Why do you want them to **** off? And why does it make you so angry??

[SATAN]

Angry? I'm laughing at you.

[Patrick Chewing]

Angry? I'm laughing at you.

If you get to the point where you want religious people to "**** off" as you so eloquently put it, then you are angry. No man at peace with himself and with the world thinks the way you do.

So yeah....you ain't laughing. You're raging. Bitch boy.

[Chick Stern]

Just remember this:
-there is no hell in the original bible
-jesus did not believe in hell
-since you believe god created everything, that includes satan. Satan is a child of god, just like you.

[SATAN]

If you get to the point where you want religious people to "**** off" as you so eloquently put it, then you are angry. No man at peace with himself and with the world thinks the way you do.

So yeah....you ain't laughing. You're raging. Bitch boy.

You are proudly ignorant and act up on it. It's a real bad look coming from a so called proud Christian. Melting down every single about the latest Fox News headlines and calling everyone else everything under the sun lol.

You are not a man of God. Not even close.

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to watch LeBron James do GOAT things...

[Patrick Chewing]

You are proudly ignorant and act up on it. It's a real bad look coming from a so called proud Christian. Melting down every single about the latest Fox News headlines and calling everyone else everything under the sun lol.

You are not a man of God. Not even close.

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to watch LeBron James do GOAT things...

Deflect of course from your own shortcomings.

In all seriousness, you have anger issues. And I think you're evil.

[SATAN]

https://metaladdicts.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/kim-kardashian-morbid-angel-576x1024.jpg
https://i.servimg.com/u/f62/19/66/67/07/dfbdqm10.jpg

:rockon:

[Axe]

Deflect of course from your own shortcomings.

In all seriousness, you have anger issues. And I think you're evil.
You have a lot of anger issues on users that you can't even 'ban' itb. :oldlol:

[Gruppenführer]

https://metaladdicts.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/kim-kardashian-morbid-angel-576x1024.jpg
https://i.servimg.com/u/f62/19/66/67/07/dfbdqm10.jpg

:rockon:

Cringe. That is the textbook definition of a poseur.

Sodom and Kreator >>>>

[SATAN]

I give them props but thrash (for the most part) become stale long ago.