Cavs have let Kevin Love know he’s out of the lineup.

[Kblaze8855]

Kevin Love has not played for the Cleveland Cavaliers over the past six games, leading to many fans asking about his status with the team.Love has already recovered from the back issue (https://cavsnation.com/cavs-news-is-kevin-love-playing-vs-clippers) that kept him out in three games at the end of January, and he has been available in their last three outings. Nonetheless despite being active, he had been consistently given the DNP tag.
Apparently, Love is already out of the rotation (https://twitter.com/ChrisFedor/status/1622419645700493314), with Dean Wade and Cedi Osman now above him in the pecking order. According to the latest report, Love and head coach JB Bickerstaff had a conversation about it, and while it’s said to be a “difficult” decision for the Cavs, it’s for the best, Chris Fedor of Cleveland.com..




He’s a 28 million expiring contract who can still shoot a bit and probably rebound and pass but none of it on a level to justify big minutes with his defense.

You imagine someone scoops him up to dump salary and finds a spot for this year or is he just totally utterly done? Like…in China at age 34 done?

[Kblaze8855]

It was certainly ridiculous for anyone to have been acting like he was anything but a role player for several years but I still don’t k ow if he’s THAT done.

Hes gonna find a team after the season at least right? Or is this a “Retired against his will” level of fall off?

[Overdrive]

He’s a 28 million expiring contract who can still shoot a bit and probably rebound and pass but none of it on a level to justify big minutes with his defense.

You imagine someone scoops him up to dump salary and finds a spot for this year or is he just totally utterly done? Like…in China at age 34 done?

I think him admitting mental issues made him some sort of paria you'd only play and throw money at if his play is top of the league. Everything he has to offer at this point in his career is replaceable by some role players.

To bad tbh. His game was fun to look at back at the wolves.

[PeroAntic]

Trade him for Westbrick.

[ArbitraryWater]

Can come off the bench for lakeshow

[Real Men Wear Green]

He could get dealt for an expensive nonstar if the trade partner just wants to dump salary and Cleveland wants to shoot for the Nets spot in the contender rankings. But I'm not sure who that is. Or they could take a gamble make Brooklyn include some firsts and trade him for Ben Simmons. If Simmons could just play like he did as a rookie that would be a huge win. Too bad he's got the mental issues.

[Jasper]

Can come off the bench for lakeshow

10-4 buss keeping bron happy/// bring in the old wood

[Kblaze8855]

Would Lebron have just spontaneously combusted if he had to deal with this no call?



https://youtu.be/PCdgssaOlfA

[warriorfan]

The only players with kevin love’s 2014 stat line before he joined the Cavs were prime Kareem Abdul Jabbar and Giannis

[Kblaze8855]

The only players with kevin love’s 2014 stat line before he joined the Cavs were prime Kareem Abdul Jabbar and Giannis

KAT has 3 seasons nobody else ever had. Literally nobody. Not Kareem, Giannis, Wilt or anyone else. You can do wonderful things with stat minimums to make players seem like they matter. Love isn’t even the biggest statistical outlier among the modern statpadding disliked by teammate Minnesota 4 club. Granted……it’s a small club.

[warriorfan]

KAT has 3 seasons nobody else ever had. Literally nobody. Not Kareem, Giannis, Wilt or anyone else. You can do wonderful things with stat minimums to make players seem like they matter. Love isn’t even the biggest statistical outlier among the modern statpadding disliked by teammate Minnesota 4 club. Granted……it’s a small club.

yeah kat would be a pretty nice third option

nice meltdown btw

[HylianNightmare]

Helped Cleveland get a ring. Who cares

[Kblaze8855]

The lack of creativity among our trolls always stands out. 20-30 thousand posts of bullshit without getting any better or coming up with clever turns of phrase. For the time you guys put in? Must be a mental block like bad free throw shooters.

[iamgine]

I thought he was great off the bench. Isn't the Cavs trying to contend? What happened?

[ArbitraryWater]

OP I know youre not obivious, te me youre seing this one guy spam every thread on this board, since months...

how ong is this gonna go on?

[warriorfan]

The lack of creativity among our trolls always stands out. 20-30 thousand posts of bullshit without getting any better or coming up with clever turns of phrase. For the time you guys put in? Must be a mental block like bad free throw shooters.

fuming hard bro

sit back and relax for a bit

[Kblaze8855]

OP I know youre not obivious, te me youre seing this one guy spam every thread on this board, since months...

how ong is this gonna go on?

Not sure who you mean. There are 8-9 people who have nothing to say but:



fuming hard bro

sit back and relax for a bit


And other things like it with no real content I guess you could mean but I don’t know which in particular.

[warriorfan]

Not sure who you mean. There are 8-9 people who have nothing to say but:




And other things like it with no real content I guess you could mean but I don’t know which in particular.

are you okay?

[imdaman99]

Trade him for Westbrick.

At least Westbrook is getting playing time. Meanwhile Rose ain't even playing and is behind someone named Deuce :roll:

[SouBeachTalents]

The lack of creativity among our trolls always stands out. 20-30 thousand posts of bullshit without getting any better or coming up with clever turns of phrase. For the time you guys put in? Must be a mental block like bad free throw shooters.
Saying Bosh > Kobe in 2010 is pretty creative

[999Guy]

KAT has 3 seasons nobody else ever had. Literally nobody. Not Kareem, Giannis, Wilt or anyone else. You can do wonderful things with stat minimums to make players seem like they matter. Love isn’t even the biggest statistical outlier among the modern statpadding disliked by teammate Minnesota 4 club. Granted……it’s a small club.

Eh, Love was a winner though. Even losing all those 4th quarters the 2014 Timberwolves were clearly a good winning team, in the GOAT WC or close. Rubio, the words strongest rebounder in Pekovic, and Brewer for some athletic defense. Much more “talented” teams performed much worse than Love’s wolves at his peak.

LeBron and Love trashed some conferences together. Love was pretty much only stopped by Draymond ever in his playoff career. Only made defensively liability by Curry. He was fine against basically everyone else defensively.

Only saying this cause no one else will ever say it, Love was a decent defender and a really good offensive player when his body and role was right.

[warriorfan]

Eh, Love was a winner though. Even losing all those 4th quarters the 2014 Timberwolves were clearly a good winning team, in the GOAT WC or close. Rubio, the words strongest rebounder in Pekovic, and Brewer for some athletic defense. Much more “talented” teams performed much worse than Love’s wolves at his peak.

LeBron and Love trashed some conferences together. Love was pretty much only stopped by Draymond ever in his playoff career. Only made defensively liability by Curry. He was fine against basically everyone else defensively.

Only saying this cause no one else will ever say it, Love was a decent defender and a really good offensive player when his body and role was right.

stop ****ing up his troll bro :lol

[BigShotBob]

OP I know youre not obivious, te me youre seing this one guy spam every thread on this board, since months...

how ong is this gonna go on?

No one likes a tattle tell

[Kblaze8855]

Eh, Love was a winner though. Even losing all those 4th quarters the 2014 Timberwolves were clearly a good winning team, in the GOAT WC or close. Rubio, the words strongest rebounder in Pekovic, and Brewer for some athletic defense. Much more “talented” teams performed much worse than Love’s wolves at his peak.

LeBron and Love trashed some conferences together. Love was pretty much only stopped by Draymond ever in his playoff career. Only made defensively liability by Curry. He was fine against basically everyone else defensively.

Only saying this cause no one else will ever say it, Love was a decent defender and a really good offensive player when his body and role was right.

You think no one has said Kevin love was a good offensive player in his prime? You can’t score 20 a game in the nba without being a good scorer much less 25. He absolutely was not a winner as a franchise player though. The word really loses all meaning once applied to people who lost at his rate. He wins on teams that would be in the playoffs with or without him but it’s kinda hard not to in that situation. He’s been in the league 15 years. He’s literally never taken a meaningful shot on a team that asked him to lead it in any way.

If Kevin Love is a winner I’m not sure who isn’t. He’s a winner like…I don’t know…who did their only winning on a team that once made the finals with them playing 3 games in the playoffs? He’s gotta be among the least proven franchise player types in history.

Hes perfectly good on a team that would be fine if he didn’t show up though. He’s a winner in that…if you’re gonna be fine either way…he won’t prevent it.

Hes like Orlando Woolridge or Demarcus Cousins maybe. You can win if you were gonna win anyway. You won’t win if he has to be the reason.

[iamgine]

Seriously though, he's better than Cedi and Dean Wade. Or at least a useful role player. Why would a contending team just throw away a useful piece. With championship experience no less.

[warriorfan]

You think no one has said Kevin love was a good offensive player in his prime? You can’t score 20 a game in the nba without being a good scorer much less 25. He absolutely was not a winner as a franchise player though. The word really loses all meaning once applied to people who lost at his rate. He wins on teams that would be in the playoffs with or without him but it’s kinda hard not to in that situation. He’s been in the league 15 years. He’s literally never taken a meaningful shot on a team that asked him to lead it in any way.

If Kevin Love is a winner I’m not sure who isn’t. He’s a winner like…I don’t know…who did their only winning on a team that once made the finals with them playing 3 games in the playoffs? He’s gotta be among the least proven franchise player types in history.

Hes perfectly good on a team that would be fine if he didn’t show up though. He’s a winner in that…if you’re gonna be fine either way…he won’t prevent it.

Hes like Orlando Woolridge or Demarcus Cousins maybe. You can win if you were gonna win anyway. You won’t win if he has to be the reason.

peep his cast. what should have he had done? btw he would have made playoffs if he played in the ez east. hawks got in with a worse record then his shitwolves

[FKAri]

No one likes a tattle tell

Agreed. Nobody likes warriorfan.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Seriously though, he's better than Cedi and Dean Wade. Or at least a useful role player. Why would a contending team just throw away a useful piece. With championship experience no less.

His defense is awful. You can win with him if you have other guys to cover that but the Cavs no doubt feel they are better off not having to. I'm sure he would be playing in his prime but he is 34 so decline in his offensive abilities is also a factor.

[90sgoat]

Come home to Mavs.

[ImKobe]

Eh, Love was a winner though. Even losing all those 4th quarters the 2014 Timberwolves were clearly a good winning team, in the GOAT WC or close. Rubio, the words strongest rebounder in Pekovic, and Brewer for some athletic defense. Much more “talented” teams performed much worse than Love’s wolves at his peak.

LeBron and Love trashed some conferences together. Love was pretty much only stopped by Draymond ever in his playoff career. Only made defensively liability by Curry. He was fine against basically everyone else defensively.

Only saying this cause no one else will ever say it, Love was a decent defender and a really good offensive player when his body and role was right.

He even shut down Steph 1 on 1 behind the 3PT line when it mattered the most.

[Kblaze8855]

peep his cast. what should have he had done? btw he would have made playoffs if he played in the ez east. hawks got in with a worse record then his shitwolves


On teams that needed him to play well since he became a star(so throwing out his first two seasons) he’s won 17, 26, 31, 40, 19, 19, 22, and 44 games and this year is on pace for home court. Meaning the only success he’s ever seen aside from that run as third option was these last couple years playing 22 minutes and now being told he can’t play at all.

Hes an always injured, teammate disliked(Multiple places he’s been personally called out in team meetings and in public), loser….by the facts. If he isn’t a loser the word has no meaning.

And you know what? Maybe it doesn’t. Maybe everyone to destroy all their teams with inconsistency, being injury prone, and largely not having the respect of teammates is secretly a winner long as they can win on teams that don’t even need them to suit up to go from first round to game 6 of the finals. We are as a society too harsh on losers. It’s never entirely any individuals fault a team isn’t good.

But if the word doesn’t apply to Kevin Love we just need to abolish it.

He’s just not a guy you rely on to win anything.

[90sgoat]

Love has wasted his career never playing in an intelligent motion offense like Carlisle, Pop, Phil Jackson etc.

Would have been an absolute beast in the triangle or Pop system from the low post or Carlisle from the high post.

[warriorfan]

On teams that needed him to play well since he became a star(so throwing out his first two seasons) he’s won 17, 26, 31, 40, 19, 19, 22, and 44 games and this year is on pace for home court. Meaning the only success he’s ever seen aside from that run as third option was these last couple years playing 22 minutes and now being told he can’t play at all.

Hes an always injured, teammate disliked(Multiple places he’s been personally called out in team meetings and in public), loser….by the facts. If he isn’t a loser the word has no meaning.

And you know what? Maybe it doesn’t. Maybe everyone to destroy all their teams with inconsistency, being injury prone, and largely not having the respect of teammates is secretly a winner long as they can win on teams that don’t even need them to suit up to go from first round to game 6 of the finals. We are as a society too harsh on losers. It’s never entirely any individuals fault a team isn’t good.

But if the word doesn’t apply to Kevin Love we just need to abolish it.

He’s just not a guy you rely on to win anything.

bron was a career loser before he had chris bosh / kevin love as third options

bron loses “needs more help”

love loses “he’s a loser”

:lol :lol

[Kblaze8855]

If you think winning 50-66 games and having deep playoff and finals runs is losing but agree with the idea Kevin Love was a winner…..that’s just…you being what you are. It’s like comparing Jason Kidd to um…not even Marbury. I don’t know who a guard comparison to Love would be. I can’t think of anyone else who lost that much while considered a star.

Pre decision Lebron to Love is like comparing Karl Malone or Charles Barkley to Shareef Abdur Rahim I guess. I couldn’t think of a guard comparison. A whole other level of losing.

[Real Men Wear Green]

If you think winning 50-66 games and having deep playoff and finals runs is losing but agree with the idea Kevin Love was a winner…..that’s just…you being what you are. It’s like comparing Jason Kidd to um…not even Marbury. I don’t know who a guard comparison to Love would be. I can’t think of anyone else who lost that much while considered a star. Jerry Stackhouse. What did I win?

[Kblaze8855]

Jerry Stackhouse won 50 games the year before he was traded for Rip Hamilton. He even won a playoff series he absolutely didn’t deserve because Vince was in the half a season part of Half man half a season. The universe almost has to conspire for anyone to lose as much as Love in his time as a presumed leader.

Guy is just never healthy and getting along with people at the same time it seems.

[warriorfan]

Jerry Stackhouse won 50 games the year before he was traded for Rip Hamilton. He even won a playoff series he absolutely didn’t deserve because Vince was in the half a season part of Half man half a season. The universe almost has to conspire for anyone to lose as much as Love in his time as a presumed leader.

Guy is just never healthy and getting along with people at the same time it seems.

put jerry stack house on the wolves and tell me how that works out for him :lol

what a unhinged meltdown :lol

[ShawkFactory]

If you think winning 50-66 games and having deep playoff and finals runs is losing but agree with the idea Kevin Love was a winner…..that’s just…you being what you are. It’s like comparing Jason Kidd to um…not even Marbury. I don’t know who a guard comparison to Love would be. I can’t think of anyone else who lost that much while considered a star.

Pre decision Lebron to Love is like comparing Karl Malone or Charles Barkley to Shareef Abdur Rahim I guess. I couldn’t think of a guard comparison. A whole other level of losing.

Maybe like comparing Chris Paul to Gilbert Arenas?

I was thinking Monta Ellis but that might be a little too harsh.

[Kblaze8855]

put jerry stack house on the wolves and tell me how that works out for him :lol

what a unhinged meltdown :lol


Of course they would be bad. But nobody is calling Stackhouse a winner for his work on the Pistons are they?

[warriorfan]

Of course they would be bad. But nobody is calling Stackhouse a winner for his work on the Pistons are they?

aren’t you the guy who whines about how fans dont realize it’s a team game, and how team achievements unfairly become a criteria of how individual players are viewed?

don’t know if it’s you or not but i’m pretty sure you have went on about that quite a few times :lol

[Kblaze8855]

I have had many occasions to tell people if you’re going to rank somebody over somebody else for being a winner, at least use an actual winner. I feel like that started in like 2002 on here arguing with Johnny sic about Paul Pierce of all people.

It’s case by case like everything is but I’ve always hated the “But he wins” argument on behalf of people who don’t actually win. It’s probably been more often applied to Karl Malone and Reggie Miller types than Pierce.

[Im Still Ballin]

2014 Kevin Love passed the vibe check.

- 26.1 ppg, 12.5 rpg, 4.4 apg on only 2.5 topg
- 37.6% 3PT, 82.1% FT, 52.4% eFG, 59.1% TS (+5 rTS%)
- +8.9 BPM (+8.3 OBPM)
- +10.9 net rating


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keshzsalVIY

That 2014 Minnesota team had an SRS of 3.10 - good for an expected W-L of 48-34. Unfortunately, they choked a historic number of games away. Ended up 40-42 in a very tough Western conference where 48-34 Phoenix missed the playoffs.

Pekovic and Martin missed considerable time. It would've been interesting to see a team built around Kevin's strengths and that masked his weaknesses. He needed to be paired with a defensive traditional center.

[Im Still Ballin]

I think the biggest indicator of Kevin Love's impact in 2014 may have been the next season without him.

16-66 despite all of the same core sans Love there. Pekovic, Rubio, Martin, Brewer. Wiggins, Thaddeus Young, and LaVine were added to the mix. Lots of injuries but even healthy they were a far worse team than the year prior with Kevin.

[Kblaze8855]

All those vets you mentioned were injured or gone in 2015. Rubio played 60 less games than in 2014, Martin played 29 less, Brewer 57 less, and Pek 23 less. And Rick Adleman retired before the season started on top of it. They swapped love for a rookie, literally every veteran worth talking about was out or gone, their coach left, and they ended up where love had them when he broke out anyway. They won 17 games while he was 4th in the league in per and played 73 games. So we aren’t talking about going from great to bad. We’re talking about going from average to bad when multiple things changed….when they had already been just as bad when he had already become a star and was healthy.

Was just never a good team and he wasn’t likely to make it one when his teammates didn’t even respect him.

The gm of the team directly said he needed to work to earn the respect of the team….back. Apparently the team felt he was soft and sitting out more than he needed to…which is exactly what came up in a team meeting later on the Cavs.



A. ... And my feelings toward Kevin, frankly, I really like him. And we’ve had some really productive conversation about the steps he needs to take to win back the respect and admiration of his teammates and coaches. It’s almost ridiculous how much attention is paid to my relationship with him. In terms of import, it has no bearing at end of the day whether he’ll be happy here and whether organization will be happy with him. It’s much more important for him to forge really meaningful relationships with his teammates and coaches.Q. Why did you say he needs to win back the respect of his teammates?
A. I think there’s some work for him to be done in terms of, he didn’t play very much this year, right? And I think there’s a void there because of that. Many of those guys really fought their way back from injury, sometimes multiple injuries. He had two broken hands. He came back once, didn’t play well, broke his hand again and then decided to have his knee done at the end of the year when the pain was such. I think he has some work to do in the locker room, and I believe he will. I certainly don’t want that to come across negatively. I believe he will and I believe he’s on the right path.


Gm believes he wasn’t respected by players….and it kinda sounds like it:






You have a guy like Kevin Love, and don't get me wrong I don't have the right to talk about anything because of the way I played, and he achieved much more than I ever did. But he is a type of guy that is not satisfied if he doesn't score 20 points and grabs ten rebounds even though we won the game. He was unhappy in the locker room and was even close to crying, and he is supposed to be your go-to guy in a championship team?"




And in Cleveland you had players liking tweets saying he was stealing money from the franchise. He was issuing apologies for immature behavior multiple times.

Got called out by if I remember correctly IT and Wade in the team meeting and the whole “Stop trying to fit out and fit in” thing from Lebron.

Just…doesn’t strike me as a particularly well like presence in locker rooms. Gm…players. Guy just didn’t seem terribly respected. I couldn’t tell you why. But when the gm says he has to get back respect of players and coaches….and multiple teammates call him out or clown him in public and team meetings?

I couldn’t tell you what the problem is but it’s clear it existed. And holding up a sub .500 year as evidence otherwise is pretty damning. It’s no doubt the lowest standards ever used to suggest a guy might be a winner.