This thread fulfills promise to 8ball of another meltdown when Lebron broke record

[3ba11]

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1) 20 years of longevity confirms that Lebron can't have a dynasty, 3-peat or 6 chips with any lineup, aka objectively inferior to MJ - he'll be 1/4 with AD, Love or Wade/Bosh (except the Allen miracle), so that's nowhere near the modern GOAT standard of winning multiple 3-peats as the best player

The reason for Lebron's inferiority isn't an athletic one, it's a stylistic one, aka high-scoring ball-dominators like Luka or Lebron impose spot-up roles that can't develop teammates or chemistry (win organically), thereby needing ready-made stars to win (such as Kyrie Irving).

In addition to their inability to win organically, the drive-heavy games of high-scoring ball-dominators needs the most spacing help and has weaker ability to carry the scoring load against top teams (too ball-dominant).

This weaker ability to carry the scoring load and inability to win organically equals a need for all-time scoring help like Kyrie, AD, or Wade instead of winning with secondary producers the way expert jumpshooters do (they win with Wiggins, Pippen, Terry, Lowry or Pau).


2) Lebron ran from a 50-win underdog team of fossils that were 32-34 years old (KG/Pierce/Ray), while MJ persevered and beat prime Bad Boys when they were 27-29 years old in 91' (Isiah/Dumars/Rodman) and favored to 3-peat entering the season.

MJ would've won in 1990 but he hadn't learned to be the enforcer for Pippen like he showed in a similar must-win Game 7 (1992 ECSF) - Pippen had the same bed-wetting stats as the 90' ECF but this time MJ saves him in Game 7 by standing up for him and preventing another migraine.. MJ talks about learning to be the enforcer for Pippen here (https://thesportsrush.com/nba-news-if-you-stand-next-to-him-you-make-him-stronger-how-michael-jordan-and/) and shows it here (https://i.makeagif.com/media/4-07-2019/4EMYLq.gif).


3) Jordan would never have "the worst Finals team ever" with the East all-star center and this acquisition:



05' HUGHES.... 21.6 PER.. 4.3 BPM.. 0.157 WS/48.. 3.7 VORP... 22/6/5.. 1st Team Defense
90' PIPPEN...... 16.3 PER.. 1.8 BPM.. 0.087 WS/48.. 3.0 VORP... 16/6/5.. No All-Defense


The 1990 Bulls had the #19 defense, so they had worse defenses and less offensive help than the 06-10' Cavs'..

So the media simply misreported Lebron's early teams because the 00's saw a bunch of lesser-knowledgeable people enter industry (bigger industry) and overrate everything they saw compared to the few reporters and grinders of the 80's that called balls and strikes.

[And1AllDay]

This thread fulfills promise to ish of another meltdown when Lebron broke record

[Axe]

1-9

Oh. And in case you're wondering, nobody misses you op.

[3ba11]

This thread fulfills promise to ish of another meltdown when Lebron broke record

good catch

enjoy the fraud and the record but if he loses this year, he'll be 1/4 with AD.. How is that GOAT? Who can't do that?

don't cry about injuries because he was also 1/4 with Love and basically 1/4 with Wade/Bosh except the Allen miracle

so he's a 1/4 guy and far below the GOAT standard in 3-pointer history of multiple 3-peats - his inferiority is because his skillset/player-type is inferior to the top skillset that allows dynasty winning with less help (expert jumpshooters).

[Phoenix]

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[3ba11]

full end of spectrum spazz


Jordan would never have "the worst Finals team ever" with the East all-star center and this acquisition:

05' HUGHES.... 21.6 PER.. 4.3 BPM.. 0.157 WS/48.. 3.7 VORP... 22/6/5.. 1st Team Defense
90' PIPPEN...... 16.3 PER.. 1.8 BPM.. 0.087 WS/48.. 3.0 VORP... 16/6/5.. No All-Defense

The 1990 Bulls had the #19 defense, so they had worse defenses and less offensive help than the 06-10' Cavs'..

Accordingly, the media simply misreported Lebron's early teams because the 00's saw a bunch of lesser-knowledgeable people enter industry (bigger industry) and overrate everything they saw compared to the few reporters and grinders of the 80's that called balls and strikes.

[Phoenix]

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:sleeping

[AlternativeAcc.]

Lebron should've 4 peated from 2015 -2018

2 best players injured in 2015, still almost won fmvp
Slayed the 73 win dragon in 2016, had GOAT finals, GOAT sports achievement

2017 and 2018 peaked even higher individually but faced most stacked team in sports history in finals both years

If I include 2014 where he was also by far the best player and facing absurd comp then it's a 7-peat


So lebron effectively 7peated (would've won every year with equal casts)



^^^^^

Thats reality right there.

[Axe]

No pip?

[Full Court]

Heyyyyyyy the ISH GOAT is back!

:cheers:

Good to see you 3ball.

[Lebron23]

.
1) 20 years of longevity confirms that Lebron can't have a dynasty, 3-peat or 6 chips with any lineup, aka objectively inferior to MJ - he'll be 1/4 with AD, Love or Wade/Bosh (except the Allen miracle), so that's nowhere near the modern GOAT standard of winning multiple 3-peats as the best player

The reason for Lebron's inferiority isn't an athletic one, it's a stylistic one, aka high-scoring ball-dominators like Luka or Lebron impose spot-up roles that can't develop teammates or chemistry (win organically), thereby needing ready-made stars to win (such as Kyrie Irving).

In addition to their inability to win organically, the drive-heavy games of high-scoring ball-dominators needs the most spacing help and has weaker ability to carry the scoring load against top teams (too ball-dominant).

This weaker ability to carry the scoring load and inability to win organically equals a need for all-time scoring help like Kyrie, AD, or Wade instead of winning with secondary producers the way expert jumpshooters do (they win with Wiggins, Pippen, Terry, Lowry or Pau).


2) Lebron ran from a 50-win underdog team of fossils that were 32-34 years old (KG/Pierce/Ray), while MJ persevered and beat prime Bad Boys when they were 27-29 years old in 91' (Isiah/Dumars/Rodman) and favored to 3-peat entering the season.

MJ would've won in 1990 but he hadn't learned to be the enforcer for Pippen like he showed in a similar must-win Game 7 (1992 ECSF) - Pippen had the same bed-wetting stats as the 90' ECF but this time MJ saves him in Game 7 by standing up for him and preventing another migraine.. MJ talks about learning to be the enforcer for Pippen here (https://thesportsrush.com/nba-news-if-you-stand-next-to-him-you-make-him-stronger-how-michael-jordan-and/) and shows it here (https://i.makeagif.com/media/4-07-2019/4EMYLq.gif).


3) Jordan would never have "the worst Finals team ever" with the East all-star center and this acquisition:



05' HUGHES.... 21.6 PER.. 4.3 BPM.. 0.157 WS/48.. 3.7 VORP... 22/6/5.. 1st Team Defense
90' PIPPEN...... 16.3 PER.. 1.8 BPM.. 0.087 WS/48.. 3.0 VORP... 16/6/5.. No All-Defense


The 1990 Bulls had the #19 defense, so they had worse defenses and less offensive help than the 06-10' Cavs'..

So the media simply misreported Lebron's early teams because the 00's saw a bunch of lesser-knowledgeable people enter industry (bigger industry) and overrate everything they saw compared to the few reporters and grinders of the 80's that called balls and strikes.


Jordan played with Hughes in 2003, and they missed the playoffs

[1987_Lakers]

Can't wait to see this fruit cake get banned if he starts posting here again.

[Full Court]

Can't wait to see this fruit cake get banned if he starts posting here again.

:lebroncry:

[ArbitraryWater]

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:roll::roll:

[3ba11]

2 best players injured in 2015, still almost won fmvp





1) Dwight had an injured team when he beat Lebron's organic juggernaut that won 66 games and was a -700 favorite to win the series - everyone was shocked the Kobe-Lebron matchup never happened.. Dwght was missing his all-star PG Jameer Nelson and therefore had the injury excuse but pulled the upset.


2) The 15' Warriors barely beat an injured Lebron team, while the 98' Jazz swept Shaq and Duncan, so MJ would have easier carry-jobs against the 1st-timer Warriors than he did the 10-year organic juggernauts coming out of the 90's West (parity league).. It's tougher to win titles in a parity league where many teams have similar talent, versus being a luckbox as 1 of 2 stacked teams in a top-heavy league (free pass to Finals).


3) Curry's Warriors were regular season warriors like the 07' Mavs or 09' Cavs and extremely beatable because the 15' Cavs played like dogshit (including Lebron) and still nearly beat them.. So the reason Lebron lost the 15' Finals against the 1st-timer Warriors is because he shot 39% against single-coverage, while allowing his matchup to double his normal scoring average and win FMVP.. Unlike MJ or Kobe, Lebron has numerous losses as the 1st option where you could point to his under-40% shooting as the reason for loss, or you could point to him letting his matchup win FMVP (14', 15', 17', 18').. So this type of loss due to bad efficiency and defense is confirmed by OTHER losses for the same reason.

[Axe]

2) Dwight had an injured team when he beat Lebron's organic juggernaut that won 66 games and was a -700 favorite to win the series - everyone was shocked the Kobe-Lebron matchup never happened.. Dwght missing his all-star PG Jameer Nelson but still pulled the upset..


2) The 15' Warriors barely beat an injured Lebron team, while the 98' Jazz swept Shaq and Duncan, so MJ would have easier carry-jobs against the 1st-timer Warriors than he did the 10-year organic juggernauts coming out of the 90's West (parity league).. It's tougher to win titles in a parity league where many teams have similar talent, versus being 1 of 2 stacked teams in a top-heavy league (free pass to Finals).


3) Curry's Warriors were regular season warriors like the 07' Mavs or 09' Cavs and extremely beatable because the 15' Cavs played like dogshit (including Lebron) and still nearly beat them.. So the reason Lebron lost the 15' Finals against the 1st-timer Warriors is because he shot 39% against single-coverage, while allowing his matchup to double his normal scoring average and win FMVP.. Unlike MJ or Kobe, Lebron has numerous losses as the 1st option where you could point to his under-40% shooting as the reason for loss or him letting his matchup win FMVP (14', 15', 17', 18').. So this type of loss due to bad efficiency and defense is confirmed by OTHER losses for the same reason.
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[ShawkFactory]

Waiting a month to repeat yourself doesn’t mean you aren’t repeating yourself.

[3ba11]

Jordan played with Hughes in 2003, and they missed the playoffs


Jordan nearly beat the Bad Boys in 1990 with a worse team on both sides of the ball than the 06-10' Cavs, while Lebron was swept by the 07' Spurs or beaten by Dwight with far superior casts on both sides of the ball.

[3ba11]

Waiting a month to repeat yourself doesn’t mean you aren’t repeating yourself.


I've never said the bolded in the OP - I've never made that point about his longevity (incapable regardless of lineup)

but you're a coward, hence the passive-aggressive response (hiding behind a lie to avoid addressing the obvious bolded point being made)

[Full Court]

Man, it's a bad day for Bronie fluffers. Their hero's been blowing games lately. AD's back and he still can't get up to .500. Still in the lottery.









And now, on top of it all, 3ball is back.

:roll::roll:

[Lebron23]

Jordan nearly beat the Bad Boys in 1990 with a worse team on both sides of the ball than the 06-10' Cavs, while Lebron was swept by the 07' Spurs or beaten by Dwight with far superior casts on both sides of the ball.

Jordan sucks. I hope you suck his ****. and you choke on his dick.

[8Ball]

.
1) 20 years of longevity confirms that Lebron can't have a dynasty, 3-peat or 6 chips with any lineup, aka objectively inferior to MJ - he'll be 1/4 with AD, Love or Wade/Bosh (except the Allen miracle), so that's nowhere near the modern GOAT standard of winning multiple 3-peats as the best player

The reason for Lebron's inferiority isn't an athletic one, it's a stylistic one, aka high-scoring ball-dominators like Luka or Lebron impose spot-up roles that can't develop teammates or chemistry (win organically), thereby needing ready-made stars to win (such as Kyrie Irving).

In addition to their inability to win organically, the drive-heavy games of high-scoring ball-dominators needs the most spacing help and has weaker ability to carry the scoring load against top teams (too ball-dominant).

This weaker ability to carry the scoring load and inability to win organically equals a need for all-time scoring help like Kyrie, AD, or Wade instead of winning with secondary producers the way expert jumpshooters do (they win with Wiggins, Pippen, Terry, Lowry or Pau).


2) Lebron ran from a 50-win underdog team of fossils that were 32-34 years old (KG/Pierce/Ray), while MJ persevered and beat prime Bad Boys when they were 27-29 years old in 91' (Isiah/Dumars/Rodman) and favored to 3-peat entering the season.

MJ would've won in 1990 but he hadn't learned to be the enforcer for Pippen like he showed in a similar must-win Game 7 (1992 ECSF) - Pippen had the same bed-wetting stats as the 90' ECF but this time MJ saves him in Game 7 by standing up for him and preventing another migraine.. MJ talks about learning to be the enforcer for Pippen here (https://thesportsrush.com/nba-news-if-you-stand-next-to-him-you-make-him-stronger-how-michael-jordan-and/) and shows it here (https://i.makeagif.com/media/4-07-2019/4EMYLq.gif).


3) Jordan would never have "the worst Finals team ever" with the East all-star center and this acquisition:



05' HUGHES.... 21.6 PER.. 4.3 BPM.. 0.157 WS/48.. 3.7 VORP... 22/6/5.. 1st Team Defense
90' PIPPEN...... 16.3 PER.. 1.8 BPM.. 0.087 WS/48.. 3.0 VORP... 16/6/5.. No All-Defense


The 1990 Bulls had the #19 defense, so they had worse defenses and less offensive help than the 06-10' Cavs'..

So the media simply misreported Lebron's early teams because the 00's saw a bunch of lesser-knowledgeable people enter industry (bigger industry) and overrate everything they saw compared to the few reporters and grinders of the 80's that called balls and strikes.

What a meltdown.


LeBron about to become the greatest scorer of all time, something that used to belong to Jordan.

And scoring was not even Bron's focus.

Imagine that. Being better at Jordan at something that Jordan focused the most at, while focusing on passing first.

This hurts Jordan, he will have to green light another documentary bashing Pippen, because that is all he can do now to take back the #1 ranking.

[ShawkFactory]

I've never said the bolded in the OP - I've never made that point about his longevity (incapable regardless of lineup)

but you're a coward, hence the passive-aggressive response (hiding behind a lie to avoid addressing the obvious bolded point being made)

Why would I address it? It made no sense and I stopped reading after literally the first sentence :lol

[8Ball]

Jordan nearly beat the Bad Boys in 1990 with a worse team on both sides of the ball than the 06-10' Cavs, while Lebron was swept by the 07' Spurs or beaten by Dwight with far superior casts on both sides of the ball.

Jordan got his ass handed to him by Isiah Thomas 3 years in a row.

[8Ball]

I knew OP would be back after that forum quit meltdown.


I got your account banned immediately on twoplustwo 2 weeks ago.


There is no where to go. No greener pastures.

[3ba11]

I knew OP would be back after that forum quit meltdown.


I got your account banned immediately on twoplustwo 2 weeks ago.


There is no where to go. No greener pastures.


I'm only back for this thread and there are greener pastures - I educate fresh, new people everyday, so they aren't biased against me like you guys

And why did you get me banned over there? I was in the MJ/Lebron thread where I was supposed to be, so you were just mad at the things I was saying (hater)

don't be mad because you guys are the ones pushing longevity, which provides a sufficient sample size of inferior accomplishment - perhaps if Lebron plays 50 seasons, then you'll get smart enough to realize that he isn't capable of 3-peats or dynasties regardless of cast - maybe 50 years will be long enough for you to realize that lol

[8Ball]

There's no forum out there on this planet earth that hasn't banned you repeatedly.

Maybe except twitter. Give me your twitter account so I can re-educate all your blind Jordan followers.

I get you banned over there because its easy. I just snap my fingers and its done. One text message and its wiped.

[Full Court]

What a meltdown.


LeBron about to become the greatest scorer of all time, something that used to belong to Jordan.

And scoring was not even Bron's focus.

Imagine that. Being better at Jordan at something that Jordan focused the most at, while focusing on passing first.

This hurts Jordan, he will have to green light another documentary bashing Pippen, because that is all he can do now to take back the #1 ranking.

I love this post. It glaringly demonstrates your intellectual bereavement.

You say he's ABOUT to become the greatest scorer of all time - something that used to belong to Jordan....

By passing up Kareem in total points. :roll:

So you've already admitted that Kareem isn't the greatest scorer of all time. So passing him up up doesn't make any kind of case for Bronie being the greatest scorer.

Furthermore, he passed up Jordan in total points a long time ago. And by your own admission, Jordan was STILL the greatest scorer after that.

Good job ethering yourself. :applause:

:roll:

[3ba11]

Why would I address it? It made no sense and I stopped reading after literally the first sentence :lol


Okay how about question format - which if the following is the GOAT-level?


A) 1/4 with AD

B) 1/4 with Love

C) 2/4 with Wade/Bosh

D) 6/6 with Pippen

[8Ball]

I'm only back for this thread and there are greener pastures - I educate fresh, new people everyday, so they aren't biased against me like you guys

And why did you get me banned over there? I was in the MJ/Lebron thread where I was supposed to be, so you were just mad at the things I was saying (hater)

don't be mad because you guys are the ones pushing longevity, which provides a sufficient sample size of inferior accomplishment - perhaps if Lebron plays 50 seasons, then you'll get smart enough to realize that he isn't capable of 3-peats or dynasties regardless of cast - maybe 50 years will be long enough for you to realize that lol

We aren't trying to push longevity.


Vince Carter has the most longevity in the history of he league and only has 26K points.


Nowitzki, Garnett, Willis, Parish all played 21 seasons are not even remotely close to this record.


This isn't just a longevity record, its the greatest scorer of all time achievement.

[8Ball]

I love this post. It glaringly demonstrates your intellectual bereavement.

You say he's ABOUT to become the greatest scorer of all time - something that used to belong to Jordan....

By passing up Kareem in total points. :roll:

So you've already admitted that Kareem isn't the greatest scorer of all time. So passing him up up doesn't make any kind of case for Bronie being the greatest scorer.

Furthermore, he passed up Jordan in total points a long time ago. And by your own admission, Jordan was STILL the greatest scorer after that.

Good job ethering yourself. :applause:

:roll:

Being #1 in the NBA scoring list automatically gives you the undisputed greatest scorer of all time by definition.

Jordan used to be able to say he was the greatest scorer of all time because he was consistently dominate in scoring while Kareem was not always.


Now LeBron is ripping into #1 spot at 30ppg at 38 years old, a feat Jordan would never be able to do even if he replayed his life 1000x.

[Full Court]

I love this post. It glaringly demonstrates your intellectual bereavement.

You say he's ABOUT to become the greatest scorer of all time - something that used to belong to Jordan....

By passing up Kareem in total points. :roll:

So you've already admitted that Kareem isn't the greatest scorer of all time. So passing him up up doesn't make any kind of case for Bronie being the greatest scorer.

Furthermore, he passed up Jordan in total points a long time ago. And by your own admission, Jordan was STILL the greatest scorer after that.

Good job ethering yourself. :applause:

:roll:

Of course, he'll ignore this. :lol

I wonder if 8ball is actually an undercover Bronie hater who's on a crusade to make Bronie fluffers look bad. :lol

I mean, can he really be that dumb?

[ShawkFactory]

Okay how about question format - which if the following is the GOAT-level?


A) 1/4 with AD

B) 1/4 with Love

C) 2/4 with Wade/Bosh

D) 6/6 with Pippen

Ummm..way to make the argument that you aren't repeating yourself :lol

[3ba11]

We aren't trying to push longevity.


Vince Carter has the most longevity in the history of he league and only has 26K points.


Nowitzki, Garnett, Willis, Parish all played 21 seasons are not even remotely close to this record.


This isn't just a longevity record, its the greatest scorer of all time achievement.


Nobody would crown LeBron the greatest scorer if he limped into #1 after 40 seasons.


But he is doing it at year 20 at 30 ppg.


Expert jumpshooting skill is required to be the GOAT scorer because it allows a good brand of ball (ball movement) so the team can have chemistry rather than needing more talent (more help).

Expert jumpshooters can score big amounts while teammates play an elevated role (assisting the #1 option), rather than getting reduced to spot-up roles by a ball-dominator so the team plays a crappier brand that gets beat

Also, expert jumpshooters get hot and command doubles (defenders FEAR them), while ball-dominators are met at the rim with multiple defenders, so defenders don't have to worry about getting emasculated (coach planning double-teams on your man)

[8Ball]

Expert jumpshooting skill is required to be the GOAT scorer because it allows a good brand of ball (ball movement) so the team can have chemistry rather than needing more talent (more help).

Expert jumpshooters can score big amounts while teammates play an elevated role (assisting the #1 option), rather than getting reduced to spot-up roles by a ball-dominator so the team plays a crappier brand that gets beat

Jordan's 3 point shooting without WNBA line is 30% for his career.

Narrative dismissed.

[8Ball]

Of course, he'll ignore this. :lol

I wonder if 8ball is actually an undercover Bronie hater who's on a crusade to make Bronie fluffers look bad. :lol

I mean, can he really be that dumb?

Are you retarded? I replied.

[Axe]

Jordan's 3 point shooting without WNBA line is 30% for his career.

Narrative dismissed.
He never had a winning record without a reliable sidekick in scottie pippen, who had the best playoff runs in the 90s including the '94 postseason without 1-9 dad killer.

[3ba11]

Jordan's 3 point shooting without WNBA line is 30% for his career.

Narrative dismissed.


Jordan liked 2-pointers and only took bailout threes

but he always shot at today's standard whenever he had any volume (more than 1.5 attempts)

So you're saying that he can't shoot at today's standard, but he already won the 93' title by shooting 39% on 4 attempts in those playoffs - that's better than Kawhi's 2019 playoff run... Mj also had the 92' Finals (43% on 5 attempts) or the 90' regular season (38% on 3 attempts).

Notice how the efficiency increases with volume because that's what happens when great form gets in rhythm, so MJ would have a lot of shrug games in today's higher volume format.

[8Ball]

Jordan liked 2-pointers and only took bailout threes

but he always shot at today's standard whenever he had any volume (more than 1.5 attempts)

So you're saying that he can't shoot at today's standard, but he already won the 93' title by shooting 39% on 4 attempts in those playoffs - that's better than Kawhi's 2019 playoff run... Mj also had the 92' Finals (43% on 5 attempts) or the 90' regular season (38% on 3 attempts).

Notice how the efficiency increases with volume because that's what happens when great form gets in rhythm, so MJ would have a lot of shrug games in today's higher volume format.

30% from 3 for his entire career without WNBA line.

There's no nit picking around this, or picking 1 playoff run that can erase that fact.

Steph Curry takes bailout 3s all the time and is 40%+.

LeBron takes a ton of bailout 3s and is around 35%.

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/HeavyIlliterateAmericancreamdraft-max-1mb.gif

https://assets-cms.thescore.com/uploads/image/file/32190/cropped_james_winner.gif?ts=1392271223

There's like 100 of these gifs.

[3ba11]

He never had a winning record without a reliable sidekick in scottie pippen, who had the best playoff runs in the 90s including the '94 postseason without 1-9 dad killer.


* Lebron went 1/4 with the #1 draft pick (AD)

* Lebron went 1/3 with the #1 pick (Kyrie)

* Lebron went 2/4 with the #5 pick (Wade)

* Jordan went 6/6 with the #5 pick (Pippen)

[3ba11]

30% from 3 for his entire career without WNBA line.

There's no nit picking around this, or picking 1 playoff run that can erase that fact.

Steph Curry takes bailout 3s all the time and is 40%+.

LeBron takes a ton of bailout 3s and is around 35%.

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/HeavyIlliterateAmericancreamdraft-max-1mb.gif

https://assets-cms.thescore.com/uploads/image/file/32190/cropped_james_winner.gif?ts=1392271223

There's like 100 of these gifs.


Jordan has 100's of highlights like that too - Lebron is a garbage jumpshooter, while MJ is the goat 2-point jumpshooter and would've been an elite 3-point shooter in this era where the shot is focused on.

And we've never cared about efficiency for someone that takes 0.8 attempts per game (bailout threes.. bailout volume)

So erase all the times that MJ attempted less than 1.5 threes per game and you're left with today's standard of shooting whenever he had material volume...

They didn't shoot threes back then, yet he won the 93' title by shooting better than 19' Kawhi did.. Jordan's 3-point shooting in the playoffs from 85-93' is the same as 80-88' Bird

[Axe]

* Lebron went 1/4 with the #1 draft pick (AD)

* Lebron went 1/3 with the #1 pick (Kyrie)

* Lebron went 2/4 with the #5 pick (Wade)

* Jordan went 6/6 with the #5 pick (Pippen)
6/6 in a watered-down era? Interesting.

[3ba11]

6/6 in a watered-down era? Interesting.


Super-team = 3 first options from 3 different teams deciding to play on 1 team.

So for Lebron's rings to compare to Jordan's, we must take 2 first options from 2 Eastern Conference teams and add them to MJ/Pippen (Pip wasn't really a 1st option, like Klay)

[Axe]

So who had the better finals competition amongst those two? Lmao.

[Full Court]

Being #1 in the NBA scoring list automatically gives you the undisputed greatest scorer of all time by definition.

Jordan used to be able to say he was the greatest scorer of all time because he was consistently dominate in scoring while Kareem was not always.


Now LeBron is ripping into #1 spot at 30ppg at 38 years old, a feat Jordan would never be able to do even if he replayed his life 1000x.

You just did it again. :lol

You admitted Kareem, who had the total points record, was not the greatest scorer of all time.

I agree with you. He wasn't.

Ergo, Bronie was not, and will not be, the greatest scorer of all time. He hasn't even caught Wilt yet, much less Jordan.

[3ba11]

So who had the better finals competition amongst those two? Lmao.


I don't remember Jordan, Isiah and Barkley being on the same team, while Lebron had 3 first options from 3 different teams on 1 team (the "decision") - so of course Lebron's super-teams were the preseason favorite from 2011-2016 - he should've an unstoppable juggernaut but 20 years confirms that he isn't capable with any lineup - he won 53 games with prime Kyrie/Love in 2017 instead of 70

[Axe]

Except i was talking about their respective finals competition, not their rosters. :confusedshrug:

You're always trying to deflect when it doesn't suit your agenda. :sleeping

[3ba11]

Except i was talking about their respective finals competition, not their rosters. :confusedshrug:

You're always trying to deflect when it doesn't suit your agenda. :sleeping


Super-team vs non-super-team = meaningless ring (12', 13', 16')

Only Lebron had 3 first options from 3 different teams on his team (super-team)

And the 12' Thunder weren't a super-team stop it.. it's a testament to Lebron's inferiority to Jordan that he was an underdog to Westbrick in 2012... It's because the oddsmakers had been burned the 3 previous seasons when Lebron lost as the favorite (09-11')

[Axe]

Srs rating shows that all of kong's finals opponents have higher srs than baldan's. :kobe: