Wait a minute... Kyrie played in 12 of 14 games during the 2015 Eastern Playoffs??

[3ba11]

This whole time I thought he missed the entire Playoffs, so it turns out that Lebron's only Finals run without a star teammate was 2007 when everyone was doing it with 1-star teams (Iverson, Kidd, Dwight)

It's just another media fraud to pretend that he carried weak casts to the Finals when he always had star teammates.. So he's even less impressive that I thought

[AlternativeAcc.]

Damn you must be a casual fan

[And1AllDay]

go to bed grandpa its getting late :oldlol:

[3ba11]

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Jordan would never have "the worst Finals team ever" with the East all-star center and this acquisition:



05' HUGHES.... 21.6 PER.. 4.3 BPM.. 0.157 WS/48.. 3.7 VORP... 22/6/5.. 1st Team Defense
90' PIPPEN...... 16.3 PER.. 1.8 BPM.. 0.087 WS/48.. 3.0 VORP... 16/6/5.. No All-Defense


The 1990 Bulls had the #19 defense, so they were worse on both sides of the ball than the 06-10' Cavs'..




go to bed grandpa its getting late :oldlol:


In addition to having Kyrie and Love to win the 15' and 18' East, Lebron was only winning 45-50 games from 06-08' with the East all-star center and an acquisition that was better than 90' Pippen across the board - so his ability to "carry" teams has always been overrated... His drive-heavy game (stiff-arm) needed all-star or HOF spacing help to win 60 games in 09' or 13'

[Wally450]

This whole time I thought he missed the entire Playoffs, so it turns out that Lebron's only Finals run without a star teammate was 2007 when everyone was doing it with 1-star teams (Iverson, Kidd, Dwight)

It's just another media fraud to pretend that he carried weak casts to the Finals when he always had star teammates.. So he's even less impressive that I thought

That's because you don't watch basketball.

[3ba11]

That's because you don't watch basketball.


No, the media said that he carried no-star casts to the Finals when he only did that once when everyone was doing it.

He was a 1-trick pony before the "decision" to put the top 3 first options in the conference on 1 team - only then did he start making a bunch of Finals

Unfortunately, his reliance on ball-dominance imposes spot-up roles, so he lacks the teammate development, fits or brand of ball to win organically and must resort to talent-based winning, aka team-hopping.. all-star team strategy.

[1987_Lakers]

Can someone tell me what Love averaged in the '18 playoffs?

[SouBeachTalents]

Jesus Christ, he's really gonna start doing this shit again :lol

The fact he came back the night LeBron broke the scoring record shows that this fakkit is shook lol.

[3ba11]

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Can someone tell me what Love averaged in the '18 playoffs?


Love averaged 20/11 on 48% against the #2 SRS Raptors to win the East, so Lebron never beat a top 5 SRS team with poor scoring and efficiency from a sidekick (no carry-jobs against top team in 2 decades)

He's too ball-dominant at carry-job volume to beat top teams..

Since he can't have carry-jobs vs top teams or win organically/develop teammates, he needs all-time scoring help like AD, Wade or Kyrie and can't win with secondary producers like expert jumpshooters do (they win with Wiggins, Pippen, Lowry, Terry, Pau or Klay)..

[And1AllDay]

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Love averaged 20/11 on 48% against the #2 SRS Raptors to win the East, so Lebron never beat a top 5 SRS team with poor scoring and efficiency from a sidekick (no carry-jobs against top team in 2 decades)

He's too ball-dominant at carry-job volume to beat top teams..

Since he can't have carry-jobs vs top teams or win organically/develop teammates, he needs all-time scoring help like AD, Wade or Kyrie and can't win with secondary producers like expert jumpshooters do (they win with Wiggins, Pippen, Lowry, Terry, Pau or Klay)..

goodnite bb

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[1987_Lakers]

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Love averaged 20/11 on 48% against the #2 SRS Raptors to win the East,

What did he average for the entire '18 postseason?

[3ba11]

What did he average for the entire '18 postseason?


Comparable scoring and better efficiency than 96' or 98' Pippen..

He had no carry-jobs compared to Jordan - Stats confirm that MJ nearly beat the Bad Boys in 1990 w/ less help on both sides of ball than the 06-10' Cavs - this includes the #19 defense vs top 10 for the Cavs and less offensive help (less PER, WS, PPG & efficiency from Pip than all-stars Zydrunas/Mo or Hughes acquisition)

Love was a great player that Lebron destroyed just like Kuzma, Ingram, Jamison or Bosh - it's a track record of destroying forwards, guards and anyone that isn't already an elite shooter (Mo or Kyrie)

His skillset imposes spot-up roles, so he lacks the teammate development, chemistry or brand to win organically and must resort to talent-based winning

[Spurs m8]

LeExposed

[FultzNationRISE]

12 of 14??

Doesnt even make sense.

Making the Finals means you play at least 16 post season games.

[RRR3]

Jordan literally never made the finals without a star teammate so what the hell is OP’s point. In fact very few players ever have made the finals without a star teammate.

[Ne 1]

Kyrie got hurt in Game 1 of the Finals in OT and no Kevin Love either.

[3ba11]

Kyrie got hurt in Game 1 of the Finals in OT and no Kevin Love either.


Lebron had Kyrie for 12 of 14 games in the 2015 East playoffs, so Lebron never carried a 1-star team to the Finals except 07' when everyone was doing it (Iverson, Kidd, Dwight)

Yet the media lies and says he carried a weak cast to the 15' Finals - I wasn't following those playoffs, so I just found out that Lebron infact didn't carry weak casts to the Finals

[ArbitraryWater]

Lebron had Kyrie for 12 of 14 games in the 2015 East playoffs, so Lebron never carried a 1-star team to the Finals except 07' when everyone was doing it (Iverson, Kidd, Dwight)

Yet the media lies and says he carried a weak cast to the 15' Finals - I wasn't following those playoffs, so I just found out that Lebron infact didn't carry weak casts to the Finals

Kyrie missed 2 games in the ECF and Bron carried the weak cast to the finas.

[3ba11]

Kyrie missed 2 games in the ECF and Bron carried the weak cast to the finas.


So you're saying that he won 2 games against a Horford-led team?

That's what you think is GOAT-caliber and constitutes carrying a weak cast to the Finals? 2 games against a trash team?

Btw, JR Smith averaged 18/8 and shot better than Pippen could ever DREAM - we all know that Lebron's drive-heavy game and stiff arm needs more spacing than anyone that ever played..And that's how stacked his hand-picked preseason favorites were (preseason favorites for 6 straight yrs, 2011-2016)

Given JR Smith 's performance, the career trend continues: Lebron never beat a top 5 SRS team with poor scoring and efficiency from a sidekick (no carry-job against top teams in 2 decades of playing)..

Lebron is too ball-dominant at carry-job volume to beat top teams, so he needs all-time scoring help like AD, Kyrie or Wade. Otoh, expert jumpshooters have sufficient brand at carry-job volume, so they win with secondary producers like Wiggins, Pippen, Terry, Lowry, Pau or Klay

[RRR3]

Jordan never lead a 1 star team to the finals. Not even once. Neither did Kobe. Kobe never led a 1 star team past the first round :lol

[3ba11]

Jordan never lead a 1 star team to the finals. Not even once. Neither did Kobe. Kobe never led a 1 star team past the first round :lol


Iverson, Kidd, Dwight and Lebron led 1-star teams to the Finals, so that's 5 of 9 years from 01-09'

Therefore, the 00's East is the only conference in history that was won several times by 1-star teams, yet that's the conference that Lebron formed super-teams in - 3 first options from 3 teams within the conference were put on 1 team, aka super-team

[ImKobe]

Jordan never lead a 1 star team to the finals. Not even once. Neither did Kobe. Kobe never led a 1 star team past the first round :lol

This argument makes no sense. Pippen was out for half the season (wasn't an All-Star) and was injured by the end of that last run. NBA teams now are deeper so even when Bran didn't have a great 2nd option in 2018 he still had a 10-man rotation that played 15+ mpg in the Playoffs so a lot of guys split those touches. Neither Kobe nor Jordan played in a Conference as weak as the '07 or '13-'18 East either.


Iverson, Kidd, Dwight and Lebron led 1-star teams to the Finals, so that's 5 of 9 years from 01-09'

Therefore, the 00's East is the only conference in history that was won several times by 1-star teams, yet that's the conference that Lebron formed super-teams in - 3 first options from 3 teams within the conference were put on 1 team, aka super-team

Yeah and the East was weak in general from '00-'18 with a few exceptions in between with the '08-'10 Celtics and Magic but outside of that a 1-star team could easily make a Finals run because all the superstars were on the other side. Imagine being able to make a Finals run without facing a single 50-win team or a single offense that was ranked higher than 20th in the league. That's what Lebron did in 2014. In 2015 the East had 3 total All-NBA players with Bran and Kyrie being 2 of them. Gasol was the 3rd one and he got injured in the semis.