Why do teams not give a courtesy call when players are traded?

[iamgine]

I just saw Mikal Bridges found out he was traded from another teammate via Facetime. IIRC some other players in the past found out they were traded from NBA app and others from Instagram DM.

I mean, the guy play for the organization for years. Not even a courtesy call from the GM or coach once it's finalized?

Or are they not allowed to call the players directly and it has to be through his agent?

[BigShotBob]

Agents are usually on top of it but organizations don't have the time nor the obligation to inform a player that they're traded or being dealt since a lot of deals are last minute and then the front office has to scramble to ensure the incoming players have everything they need during their transitional period

[Celtics 1825]

Business is business at the end of the day, owners don't actually give a shit about the players they just want to make money

[SouBeachTalents]

There are probably bigger things to worry about than millionaire athletes not getting a courtesy phone call.

[SATAN]

Because capitalism sucks!

[SATAN]

Oops, wrong account.

[Kblaze8855]

There are probably bigger things to worry about than millionaire athletes not getting a courtesy phone call.

There are bigger things to worry about than all but whatever you consider society’s greatest issue but they can still be acknowledged.

Salary doesn’t make it emotionally easy to snatch your kids outta school away from their friends with no notice and move them 2 thousand miles in a week or be separated from your family.

Its not unreasonable to expect a call or a text from people who act all friendly just the day before.

I remember Steve Smith mentioned he asked the Blazers gm if he was safe and was assured he was….and he got traded as he drove home to tell the family they were staying.

Decency isn’t too much to ask.

If I gotta find a house and move my people like…tomorrow? You can at least give me a heads up so I don’t find out from Shams who you leaked it to instead of me. Why should Woj get the heads up and not the guy who has to move his whole family from Sacramento to Canada or become one of those Facetime fathers?

[FultzNationRISE]

There are bigger things to worry about than all but whatever you consider society’s greatest issue but they can still be acknowledged.

Salary doesn’t make it emotionally easy to snatch your kids outta school away from their friends with no notice and move them 2 thousand miles in a week or be separated from your family.

Its not unreasonable to expect a call or a text from people who act all friendly just the day before.

I remember Steve Smith mentioned he asked the Blazers gm if he was safe and was assured he was….and he got traded as he drove home to tell the family they were staying.

Decency isn’t too much to ask.

If I gotta find a house and move my people like…tomorrow? You can at least give me a heads up so I don’t find out from Shams who you leaked it to instead of me. Why should Woj get the heads up and not the guy who has to move his whole family from Sacramento to Canada or become one of those Facetime fathers?


I agree it’s IDEAL to contact them personally, but people get paid a lot less money to put up with shit a lot worse than that.

Sometimes up to four or five dudes get traded in a deal, is the GM supposed to call each one of them and spend 15 minutes each explaining himself when he got a ton of paperwork to submit before the deadline? Or should he just call and say “Youre traded, cant talk now bye.”

Like theres no perfect realistic way to do it. I think if you get paid 30 million dollars over four years you should be able to live with this type of stuff.

[Jasper]

I always see them at the door , pat them on the back , give a hug , fake a shed'ed tear , and then kick them in the ass when they walk thru the door.

[SouBeachTalents]

I agree it’s IDEAL to contact them personally, but people get paid a lot less money to put up with shit a lot worse than that.

Sometimes up to four or five dudes get traded in a deal, is the GM supposed to call each one of them and spend 15 minutes each explaining himself when he got a ton of paperwork to submit before the deadline? Or should he just call and say “Youre traded, cant talk now bye.”

Like theres no perfect realistic way to do it. I think if you get paid 30 million dollars over four years you should be able to live with this type of stuff.
Yeah, and I agree with Blaze having to move kids around is legitimately tough for them, but overall? These guys have too privileged a life for me to care about experiencing one discourteous action. As you said, people getting paid a fraction of what they do in far shittier jobs put up with a lot worse, probably on a far more regular basis too.

[GimmeThat]

hunger and underdog mentality

[ImKobe]

It's not always possible in today's social media age. Just think about how chaotic it is during the trade deadline where the FO might have agreed a trade but they still have to make sure they submit the paperwork on time etc. Someone's gonna leak it before the GM/Owner has a chance to reach the player. All these guys have social media so their phone blows up the second a trade gets leaked.

[Kblaze8855]

The shit people will ignore because the people dealing with it have money is amazing to me. You legit get the same response no matter the transgression. “Poor people have it worse” as if most of us aren’t incredibly wealthy by the standards of like…2-3 billion people. I still get to ask for basic respect from those around me even if I’ve had dinners that cost more than an entire family earns in a year in some places. Whatever device you’re reading this on costs months of some people’s pay. Years in cases. You still get to complain when you’re wronged. You bleed red not green even if you’re filthy rich relatively speaking.

Im closer to being able to do the things Josh Hart can do than a dirt floor factory worker in Chile is to being able to do what I can do. That mean I shouldn’t get a warning email if my boss is gonna ship me to another country?

We should be able to have empathy even for people who make money. Life ****s us all. Rich people just get more lube.

[FultzNationRISE]

The shit people will ignore because the people dealing with it have money is amazing to me. You legit get the same response no matter the transgression. “Poor people have it worse” as if most of us aren’t incredibly wealthy by the standards of like…2-3 billion people. I still get to ask for basic respect from those around me even if I’ve had dinners that cost more than an entire family earns in a year in some places. Whatever device you’re reading this on costs months of some people’s pay. Years in cases. You still get to complain when you’re wronged. You bleed red not green even if you’re filthy rich relatively speaking.

Im closer to being able to do the things Josh Hart can do than a dirt floor factory worker in Chile is to being able to do what I can do. That mean I shouldn’t get a warning email if my boss is gonna ship me to another country?

We should be able to have empathy even for people who make money. Life ****s us all. Rich people just get more lube.

In everyday civil life, yes.

When it comes to your job, there are things youll be expected to put up with depending on your position and pay.

The absence of a courtesy call when you make a 30 million dollar salary is one of them. If getting one is the standard and you arent afforded one, then yes it might be injurious. If it isnt the standard and you understand that full well, there is nothing to complain about.

[Kblaze8855]

Actually I’d say the kind of person who makes 30 million is way more likely to be treated with respect. Entertainment is the exception to that. People don’t respect it as work or admire them for their status. Poor people see it as unearned.

[Kblaze8855]

Actually looking at online discussion lately poor people see all wealth as unearned but…still.

Jealousy blinds.

[FultzNationRISE]

Actually looking at online discussion lately poor people see all wealth as unearned but…still.

Jealousy blinds.


Rrr3 is not “everyone” and him getting bullied does not constitute a “discussion.”

[Kblaze8855]

There are millions of people behind the idea that no rich person earned their money. Even those who didn’t inherit it. It’s just stolen employee wages apparently.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Some do some don't. Making the courtesy call is an easy way to establish a slightly better reputation with players but some executives don't care and/or don't want to deal with a potentially dramatic phone call. But let's not pretend they don't have 10 seconds to send a text. That's nonsense.

[SouBeachTalents]

The shit people will ignore because the people dealing with it have money is amazing to me. You legit get the same response no matter the transgression. “Poor people have it worse” as if most of us aren’t incredibly wealthy by the standards of like…2-3 billion people. I still get to ask for basic respect from those around me even if I’ve had dinners that cost more than an entire family earns in a year in some places. Whatever device you’re reading this on costs months of some people’s pay. Years in cases. You still get to complain when you’re wronged. You bleed red not green even if you’re filthy rich relatively speaking.

Im closer to being able to do the things Josh Hart can do than a dirt floor factory worker in Chile is to being able to do what I can do. That mean I shouldn’t get a warning email if my boss is gonna ship me to another country?

We should be able to have empathy even for people who make money. Life ****s us all. Rich people just get more lube.
Well, we just disagree on the significance of this infraction. Finding out you were traded through social media instead of by the team execs seems so insignificant to me, it's just not gonna garner much sympathy from me. If that's the worst thing that happened to you all year, you've lived a blessed life.

Of course bad shit happens to rich people, it happens to everyone. The only aspect of this that's truly shitty to me is having to pull kids away from their friends and thousands of miles away to a new school.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Well, we just disagree on the significance of this infraction. Finding out you were traded through social media instead of by the team execs seems so insignificant to me, it's just not gonna garner much sympathy from me. If that's the worst thing that happened to you all year, you've lived a blessed life.

Of course bad shit happens to rich people, it happens to everyone. The only aspect of this that's truly shitty to me is having to pull kids away from their friends and thousands of miles away to a new school.

For me it would depend on the player. Most of the time if a guy had been professional and had a decent attitide Iwould let them know. But there are some cases where the player has been a jerk.

[Kblaze8855]

Nobody is saying it’s the worst thing in the world. Throwing an empty Fritos bag on the ground in a park isn’t the worst thing either. But it’s still being a dick. Be better than that. Not too much to let a guy you presumably have known a while know you’re turning his life upside down personally instead of just forwarding the info to Shams and pretending these aren’t actual people being moved around the chessboard.

[FultzNationRISE]

Nobody is saying it’s the worst thing in the world. Throwing an empty Fritos bag on the ground in a park isn’t the worst thing either. But it’s still being a dick. Be better than that. Not too much to let a guy you presumably have known a while know you’re turning his life upside down personally instead of just forwarding the info to Shams and pretending these aren’t actual people being moved around the chessboard.


Ah, ok, but you callously and unabashedly assassinating the character of Lebron James is courtesy. Ok. Got it.

THATS acceptable, and he just has to live with it. But trades and phone calls is uncivil.

Totally makes sense.

[tontoz]

From a GM point of view making calls like that would probably be uncomfortable. Making calls like that every time someone was traded or released would get old fast.

From a business standpoint it is probably better to look at players as assets. Looking at the NFL Belichick was notorious for giving no Fs about a players feelings and dumping them quickly with no warning. That worked very well for him. Jerry Jones has been the opposit, having personal relationships with his players and getting emotionally attached to them. When was the last time the Cowboys were in the conference championship?

[SouBeachTalents]

From a GM point of view making calls like that would probably be uncomfortable. Making calls like that every time someone was traded or released would get old fast.

From a business standpoint it is probably better to look at players as assets. Looking at the NFL Belichick was notorious for giving no Fs about a players feelings and dumping them quickly with no warning. That worked very well for him. Jerry Jones has been the opposit, having personal relationships with his players and getting emotionally attached to them. When was the last time the Cowboys were in the conference championship?
In fairness though, one had Tom Brady for 2 decades, the other one didn't. And not to sidetrack the thread, but Belichick's track record as head coach without Brady is EXTREMELY unimpressive, much worse than Jerry Jones post the 90's Super Bowl teams.

[LeGoat4Life]

When players show owners the same kind of courtesy, then owners might return the favor

Every year, some players comes out and starts crying and demands to be traded to a specific city.

Or sit out and refuse to play due to "issues" (AKA ben simmons)

Entitled snowflake generation

[tontoz]

In fairness though, one had Tom Brady for 2 decades, the other one didn't. And not to sidetrack the thread, but Belichick's track record as head coach without Brady is EXTREMELY unimpressive, much worse than Jerry Jones post the 90's Super Bowl teams.



Bill's record without Brady sucks because of his poor draft record. Drafting players is a completely separate topic. The Cowboys have been good at drafting and Bill has sucked.

[Kblaze8855]

The Brady/Bill thing is often skewed because people don’t wanna acknowledge that Brady wasn’t Brady at first. Same human different player. He won a Super Bowl with Brady throwing one td pass. Not in the Super Bowl.

In the playoffs.

Brady was a much more dominant player for the 8-9 years in a row they lost than he was in winning the first few.

[Overdrive]

I wonder reading the op: Do they get notified down the road? The op reads like without social media or teammates they would never know.

[SouBeachTalents]

The Brady/Bill thing is often skewed because people don’t wanna acknowledge that Brady wasn’t Brady at first. Same human different player. He won a Super Bowl with Brady throwing one td pass. Not in the Super Bowl.

In the playoffs.

Brady was a much more dominant player for the 8-9 years in a row they lost than he was in winning the first few.
I will cede Brady was basically Trent Dilfer that first Super Bowl playoff run, but don't forget, the Pats went 5-11 in Belichick's first year, started the '01 season 0-2 with Bledsoe at the helm, who was a pro bowl QB for those who didn't know. Then Brady becomes the starter and boom, a 5-13 start turns into a 11-3 run to close the season, a complete 180 turnaround the literal instant Brady becomes the starter.

And yeah, I'd say Brady truly became Brady starting in '07, but he was for sure still a good QB, at worst fringe top 5, in '03 & '04. Belichick has what, 9 seasons now without Brady, and they've frankly been extremely mediocre, though I admit he was extremely unlucky to win 11 games in '08 and still miss the playoffs. Then the very first season Brady goes to Tampa, a team that hadn't made the playoffs in over a decade, they win the Super Bowl.

[Kblaze8855]

Brady didn’t go to Tampa. Brady, Gronk, Antonio Brown, and a couple other stars on both sides went to Tampa to join 2 existing pro bowl receivers and replace the guy who threw like 35 picks. As I said he peaked for 8-9 years of losing. He was a much better player then. Bill won with a QB who was not the player Brady is gonna be remembered as. If you can win the superbowl and beat the goat offense to that point with a QB who had 1 td in the playoffs it’s hard to say you needed an elite qb.

They lost most of the years Brady was elite. If he can lose 8-9 years in a row with peak Brady I don’t know why people make it a big thing he doesn’t win with average guys for a few years.

[bison]

There are millions of people behind the idea that no rich person earned their money. Even those who didn’t inherit it. It’s just stolen employee wages apparently.

In the scheme of capitalism, capitalists pocket the surplus labor value provided by the workers. NBA owners are a prime example of this. They do not play basketball, they do not train and practice laboriously everyday, they do not serve food at the concessions or mop the arenas, they do not do sideline reporting, or dance at halftime, etc In terms of labor they do very little, but they make the most money in the NBA simply because they own land/arenas. Their money does the 'work', and the actual workers don't inherit 100% of what they produce. It's objectively an unfair system whether or not you think people are 'jealous' about it.

[bison]

That being said, I do agree with blaze about the courtesy calls. I'm not sure why people think once someone makes a huge salary they cease to be human beings.

[Kblaze8855]

There is nothing unfair about a person who starts or buys a business making more than the people who sweep the floors or dance at said business. You don’t deserve partial ownership in any business that employs you. Nothing would exist to begin with if people had to give the profits of running a business to the people on the ground level. There would be no pie to split. People love to divide the pie but won’t consider that someone had to buy an oven and some apples first.

[SouBeachTalents]

Brady didn’t go to Tampa. Brady, Gronk, Antonio Brown, and a couple other stars on both sides went to Tampa to join 2 existing pro bowl receivers and replace the guy who threw like 35 picks. As I said he peaked for 8-9 years of losing. He was a much better player then. Bill won with a QB who was not the player Brady is gonna be remembered as. If you can win the superbowl and beat the goat offense to that point with a QB who had 1 td in the playoffs it’s hard to say you needed an elite qb.

They lost most of the years Brady was elite. If he can lose 8-9 years in a row with peak Brady I don’t know why people make it a big thing he doesn’t win with average guys for a few years.
The guy doesn't have to win Super Bowls without Brady, or even be a regular top contender. But in his 10 seasons without Brady he has 8 losing seasons and one playoff win. That's just really bad, and is the type of resume that would've gotten you fired 3-5 years into your coaching tenure. Is it really so much to ask a coach that's considered the consensus GOAT to win at least half his games without the consensus GOAT QB at the helm?

[Real Men Wear Green]

From a GM point of view making calls like that would probably be uncomfortable. Making calls like that every time someone was traded or released would get old fast.

From a business standpoint it is probably better to look at players as assets. Looking at the NFL Belichick was notorious for giving no Fs about a players feelings and dumping them quickly with no warning. That worked very well for him. Jerry Jones has been the opposit, having personal relationships with his players and getting emotionally attached to them. When was the last time the Cowboys were in the conference championship?

The "business side of it it most likely doesn't matter much either way but if it does have an affect its most likely on the side of giving that courtesy call. If Durant is a free agent considering two teams and they're tied in his mind he calls a friend from both teams, one who was told about getting traded and another that found our watching sportscenter the friend that was told in person will give a better review. But it's not the kind of thing that would make up for one team offering 10 mill more than the other.

[bison]

You don’t deserve partial ownership in any business that employs you.

According to who?


Nothing would exist to begin with if people had to give the profits of running a business to the people on the ground level.

The USSR had somewhat of a worker owned economy and it was able to be a superpower for decades, developed key technologies and even sent the first person to space. So this idea that you need investors and owners to have something 'exist' is complete bullsh1t.


It's amazing how you accept the status quo as fact and don't question it. Thats a low IQ mentality. You realize capitalism is a relatively new economic system that's been around in some form for only 400 years out of the 5000 years civilization has been around, and we've managed to have progress the entire time without it.

[tontoz]

The guy doesn't have to win Super Bowls without Brady, or even be a regular top contender. But in his 10 seasons without Brady he has 8 losing seasons and one playoff win. That's just really bad, and is the type of resume that would've gotten you fired 3-5 years into your coaching tenure. Is it really so much to ask a coach that's considered the consensus GOAT to win at least half his games without the consensus GOAT QB at the helm?



They have exceeded expectations the last two seasons going 18/15. People expected them to really suck this year with Patricia calling the plays :oldlol:

I heard that Bill finally agreed to give up some control of the draft this year after losing several scouts.

[Kblaze8855]

The guy doesn't have to win Super Bowls without Brady, or even be a regular top contender. But in his 10 seasons without Brady he has 8 losing seasons and one playoff win. That's just really bad, and is the type of resume that would've gotten you fired 3-5 years into your coaching tenure. Is it really so much to ask a coach that's considered the consensus GOAT to win at least half his games without the consensus GOAT QB at the helm?


As I said the issue is…he didn’t have a goat QB at the helm when he started winning super bowls. No more than the Warriors had a goat PG when Steph got drafted. Same name doesn’t make you the same player and a guy who can win games throwing for 135 yards can’t rightly be credited for his entire teams performance just because 5-6 years later he was much improved.

[GimmeThat]

it appears that most casual fans don't know that nba teams play half their games on the road

[Real Men Wear Green]

According to who?



The USSR had somewhat of a worker owned economy and it was able to be a superpower for decades, developed key technologies and even sent the first person to space. So this idea that you need investors and owners to have something 'exist' is complete bullsh1t.


It's amazing how you accept the status quo as fact and don't question it. Thats a low IQ mentality. You realize capitalism is a relatively new economic system that's been around in some form for only 400 years out of the 5000 years civilization has been around, and we've managed to have progress the entire time without it.
Communist/socialist idealism thinks that the workers all share everything equally but the reality is that those in positions of authority are still hoarding the profits. The USSR is a failed state and in China they have plenty of billionaires with people getting wealthy off of special connections and preferential treatment.

[SouBeachTalents]

As I said the issue is…he didn’t have a goat QB at the helm when he started winning super bowls. No more than the Warriors had a goat PG when Steph got drafted. Same name doesn’t make you the same player and a guy who can win games throwing for 135 yards can’t rightly be credited for his entire teams performance just because 5-6 years later he was much improved.
As I said before, '01 Brady was for sure not the GOAT QB, but the 5-13 to 11-3 turnaround occurred literally the very first game he became the starter. And as I said, the Pats had an experienced pro bowler they were paying $100 million dollars to for those first 18 games of Belichick's Pats tenure, so it's not like Brady was taking over for some scrub QB. You bring up a fair argument, but to me, that instant turnaround when Brady takes over, even if he was far from the QB he'd become, can't be chalked up to coincidence, and at least imo, is a pretty solid counterargument to that point. Even if you want to bring up the playoffs, which I completely agree, the defense/special teams/Tuck Rule carried them to the title, I don't think they even make it there without Brady taking over for Bledsoe.

[GimmeThat]

Communist/socialist idealism thinks that the workers all share everything equally but the reality is that those in positions of authority are still hoarding the profits. The USSR is a failed state and in China they have plenty of billionaires with people getting wealthy off of special connections and preferential treatment.

I'll mark you down as one of those who cheer about the healthiest man taking out his own garbage because his sidekick clearly isn't worth more than that

[Kblaze8855]

According to who?



The USSR had somewhat of a worker owned economy and it was able to be a superpower for decades, developed key technologies and even sent the first person to space. So this idea that you need investors and owners to have something 'exist' is complete bullsh1t.


It's amazing how you accept the status quo as fact and don't question it. Thats a low IQ mentality. You realize capitalism is a relatively new economic system that's been around in some form for only 400 years out of the 5000 years civilization has been around, and we've managed to have progress the entire time without it.


Yea yea…the nba didn’t need to be created by people who put money in. It would have just sprang from the ground as a state asset and reached the same heights. You keep living in that fantasy world based on how well it went in a society that had to keep people in by force before the government collapsed.


In the world we have you don’t get KFC unless a guy has an idea to cook good ass food. And the guy who has that idea and gets the backing to implement it will and should make more than the guy who came in 22 years later to run a register.

You seeing a problem there…is a personal issue.

[FultzNationRISE]

The Brady/Bill thing is often skewed because people don’t wanna acknowledge that Brady wasn’t Brady at first. Same human different player. He won a Super Bowl with Brady throwing one td pass. Not in the Super Bowl.

In the playoffs.

Brady was a much more dominant player for the 8-9 years in a row they lost than he was in winning the first few.


Dude why the FVCK do you hate Lebron??


Ffs.

[Kblaze8855]

As I said before, '01 Brady was for sure not the GOAT QB, but the 5-13 to 11-3 turnaround occurred literally the very first game he became the starter. And as I said, the Pats had an experienced pro bowler they were paying $100 million dollars to for those first 18 games of Belichick's Pats tenure, so it's not like Brady was taking over for some scrub QB. You bring up a fair argument, but to me, that instant turnaround when Brady takes over, even if he was far from the QB he'd become, can't be chalked up to coincidence, and at least imo, is a pretty solid counterargument to that point. Even if you want to bring up the playoffs, which I completely agree, the defense/special teams/Tuck Rule carried them to the title, I don't think they even make it there without Brady taking over for Bledsoe.


It really isn’t. It means no more than Brock Purdy winning 10 in a row or whatever.

He came in and had 168 yards and no touchdowns as they scored 44 off multiple pick 6s…he had 82 yards the next game. He had good games…and games they won when he threw for 107 yards. Sorry…I’m not crediting the guy who has 100 yards for a win when his defense is dominant.

The Tom Brady he became is not the person Bill won Super Bowls with and you wanting to credit a middle to back of the pack qb for a magnificently coached defense powering teams to wins and holding the greatest show on turf in check you go right ahead. You aren’t the only one.

The quarterback wins games. The rest of the team are spectators like us. To many people at least.

[GimmeThat]

It really isn’t. It means no more than Brock Purdy winning 10 in a row or whatever.

He came in and had 168 yards and no touchdowns as they scored 44 off multiple pick 6s…he had 82 yards the next game. He had good games…and games they won when he threw for 107 yards. Sorry…I’m not crediting the guy who has 100 yards for a win when his defense is dominant.

The Tom Brady he became is not the person Bill won Super Bowls with and you wanting to credit a middle to back of the pack qb for a magnificently coached defense powering teams to wins and holding the greatest show on turf in check you go right ahead. You aren’t the only one.

The quarterback wins games. The rest of the team are spectators like us. To many people at least.

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