Joe Budden on Michael Jordan

[SATAN]

Do you agree with him?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GATFrFE2MPY

[SpaceJammeR]

he speaks the truth. nba was growing and they needed a poster boy. he was untouchable.

[Spurs m8]

he speaks the truth. nba was growing and they needed a poster boy. he was untouchable.

His game was untouchable.

Still is, to this day

They tried to prop LeBarry up, but he kept failing... his game is ugly and personality cringe...also no killer instinct

[SpaceJammeR]

His game was untouchable.

Still is, to this day

They tried to prop LeBarry up, but he kept failing... his game is ugly and personality cringe...also no killer instinct

nah mj is fake goat. made by the nba

[Spurs m8]

nah mj is fake goat. made by the nba

Nope.. his game and accolades speak for themselves....

No mental gymnastics required.

[AirBonner]

MJ is the Khabib of the nba. Amazing record but when you look at opponents you realized he faced no one good

[Axe]

nah mj is fake goat. made by the nba
Media darling.

[Full Court]

Let's see....

Bronie is a flopper, a whiner, a choker, and a loser. Jordan was none of those things.

OP uses his head as a rectum cork.

[ImKobe]

His argument makes no sense.

When MJ got to the league the East was the superior Conference, which is why he was stuck losing in his early years in Chicago as he had little help around him, and even still he gave the Pistons their toughest series while he basically the entire offense for Chicago. He took the Pistons to 6-7 games in B2B years when those teams beat down on everybody else.

When Lebron came into the league the league changed the rules and made defenses worse after his mediocre rookie season in 03-04. Jordan was a dominant scorer and arguably the best in the league from the jump. The defense actually got better in the league as the years went on, so the trajectory was actually the opposite of how it went with Lebron's career in terms of the strength of the opposing defenses. Look at how strong the Knicks were on defense, and they could never get past Jordan. Pistons had good defenders at every position and beat the crap out him.

And Lebron has the size/speed advantage over most defenders that guard him, that's why he's able to score at a high rate. Jordan had the athletic advantage on top of ATG shooting skill which Bran has always lacked in his game.

The East was clearly the weaker Conference in Bran's era, even when the Celtics had their Big 3. You could get out of the EC on a team that had just 1 star/All-NBA player because the WC had all the superstars and most of the top offenses in the league. IDK how any Bran stan can make this argument with a straight face.

[Baller789]

nah mj is fake goat. made by the nba

Except Lebron is worse. Being rammed down thru peoples throats by the mainstream media via the WWE level "sports analysts".

[Wardell Curry]

MJ is the Khabib of the nba. Amazing record but when you look at opponents you realized he faced no one good


Khabib only lost 2 rounds in his entire UFC career, and never lost a fight in his entire MMA career. He never so much as spilled an ounce of his own blood in a sport famous for it. That wasn't an accident. His grappling, discipline, will power and cardio make him arguably the best fighter we've ever seen anywhere, pound for pound. Even if he isn't, he's on a very short list of candidates.

[Hey Yo]

Nope.. his game and accolades speak for themselves....

No mental gymnastics required.
So does his 3 quit jobs

[Hey Yo]

Except Lebron is worse. Being rammed down thru peoples throats by the mainstream media via the WWE level "sports analysts".
Are you trying to imply that never happen with Jordan??

[j3lademaster]

His argument makes no sense.

When MJ got to the league the East was the superior Conference, which is why he was stuck losing in his early years in Chicago as he had little help around him, and even still he gave the Pistons their toughest series while he basically the entire offense for Chicago. He took the Pistons to 6-7 games in B2B years when those teams beat down on everybody else.

When Lebron came into the league the league changed the rules and made defenses worse after his mediocre rookie season in 03-04. Jordan was a dominant scorer and arguably the best in the league from the jump. The defense actually got better in the league as the years went on, so the trajectory was actually the opposite of how it went with Lebron's career in terms of the strength of the opposing defenses. Look at how strong the Knicks were on defense, and they could never get past Jordan. Pistons had good defenders at every position and beat the crap out him.

And Lebron has the size/speed advantage over most defenders that guard him, that's why he's able to score at a high rate. Jordan had the athletic advantage on top of ATG shooting skill which Bran has always lacked in his game.

The East was clearly the weaker Conference in Bran's era, even when the Celtics had their Big 3. You could get out of the EC on a team that had just 1 star/All-NBA player because the WC had all the superstars and most of the top offenses in the league. IDK how any Bran stan can make this argument with a straight face.His argument died when he said 'Jordan was just dominating bum-ass big dudes' like that was easier or something. Look at all the modern players who have the biggest individual impact: Giannis, Embiid, Joker, Lebron, Durant, Doncic, I think there are reports of Tatum being in the 6'9/6'10 range; all with good size for their positions. The only small flashy guard that you can build a contender around is Steph Curry, this guy's acting like Lebron's 6'9 260 lbs frame is somehow the underdog here. Now, if he were to say modern 6'9+ players are more skilled, then he's onto something. He has an argument. But trying to make it sound like all Jordan had to do was 'dominate bum bigs' while Lebron had to go up against a league of small guards is so dumb.

[j3lademaster]

Marketing or not, if we take a deep dive on Jordan's career he has some of the prettiest mechanics ever, along with arguably the best playoffs stats of all time. That alone gives him the argument for goat. 6 rings is the cherry on top.

[ImKobe]

His argument died when he said 'Jordan was just dominating bum-ass big dudes' like that was easier or something. Look at all the modern players who have the biggest individual impact: Giannis, Embiid, Joker, Lebron, Durant, Doncic, I think there are reports of Tatum being in the 6'9/6'10 range; all with good size for their positions. The only small flashy guard that you can build a contender around is Steph Curry, this guy's acting like Lebron's 6'9 260 lbs frame is somehow the underdog here. Now, if he were to say modern 6'9+ players are more skilled, then he's onto something. He has an argument. But trying to make it sound like all Jordan had to do was 'dominate bum bigs' while Lebron had to go up against a league of small guards is so dumb.

Yeah it's just him being dishonest. He's old enough to know that MJ was going up against great defensive teams for the majority of his career. Budden is a Knicks fan so I could see why he'd hate on MJ. As a Knick fan he should know that MJ couldn't be stopped. NYK had long athletic wings and one of the best rim protectors in the league and loaded up on Jordan as much as they could and he was still killing them for the most part so this talk about Jordan only playing slow unathletic dudes is just bs.

[Soundwave]

If the NBA could manufacture a Michael Jordan ... believe me they'd have done it already. They can't. They would tilt the rules however they had to make it happen, the problem is it doesn't work that way (and gawd knows they've changed the rules to help scoring go up).

Neither can Nike. ABC. Or Gatorade/PepsiCo. etc. etc. etc.

You can't manufacture a player like that, it's just one of those things that happens.

It's like asking boxing to make a new Muhammad Ali ... they can't even make a new Mike Tyson for the modern era.

The fact that Kawhi Leonard pre-ACL tear was basically the no.1 or 2 player in the game circa 2019 and he's basically just a less athletic, not nearly as agile/smooth, more robotic, less lift on his jumper, less killer instinct version of Jordan basically tells you the real deal would be the best player in the league today. Kawhi at his peak is basically a poor man's Jordan.

Ditto for Kobe, I mean say what you want, but a 2006-era Kobe would shred this league right now and put up probably like 35-36 ppg. Kobe didn't quite have Jordan's top end athletic ability though and had poorer basketball I.Q. (which is a significant difference), so add that on top of everything Kobe has, and you get Jordan.

But I don't buy the Jordan couldn't dominate the league currently. Kawhi did, Kobe would, Jordan definitely would. Jordan is basically the best of Kobe and the best of Kawhi put into one package that is smarter athletically just a touch better touch (better vertical leap, bigger hands than Kobe, more agility in mid-air, Kawhi isn't close).

You got 6 foot 2 guys like Ja Morant just doing whatever they want on the court, you got Jokic who's probably as athletic as Luc Longley probably gonna win another MVP, you have Luka Doncic who's maybe marginally more athletic than Toni Kukoc dominating out ther being maybe the runner up to MVP, lol.

[Axe]

Yeah it's just him being dishonest. He's old enough to know that MJ was going up against great defensive teams for the majority of his career. Budden is a Knicks fan so I could see why he'd hate on MJ. As a Knick fan he should know that MJ couldn't be stopped. NYK had long athletic wings and one of the best rim protectors in the league and loaded up on Jordan as much as they could and he was still killing them for the most part so this talk about Jordan only playing slow unathletic dudes is just bs.
*with scottie pippen

[Baller789]

Are you trying to imply that never happen with Jordan??

People actually loved Jordan. Or at least respected his game.

Big difference.

[Baller789]

*with scottie pippen

And the point being?

[Axe]

Go figure.

[SATAN]

As a Knick fan he should know that MJ couldn't be stopped.

Orlando?

[Baller789]

Go figure.

I dunno. You like alluding to things Axe.

[Axe]

:sleeping

[GimmeThat]

when you consider both the offensive end and the defensive, and you start realizing that Jordan did in fact played all 5 positions and played them well when it was needed, you'll start seeing people making the boneheaded turnover for classifying him as a Guard and Guard only

[And1AllDay]

Do you agree with him?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GATFrFE2MPY

budden speaks truth here

bran > jordone

[ILLsmak]

budden is trash.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSr-F5KdoWM

-Smak

[Axe]

Orlando?
The poster directly below you is a homosexual incel.

[gengiskhan]

People actually loved Jordan. Or at least respected his game.

Big difference.

Imagine what else they would've said against MJ.

Had he only teased Slam Dunk Contest and never participated.

Had he chickened out of 1987 and 1988 Dunk Contest after losing to 1985 'nique.

Had he did not liked competition if he ever saw one.

Had he colluded. team hopped. chickened out. conspired against Jerry, Jerry and gaslit Pippen to force a trade.

They actually believe "air jordan brand" and "jump man" brand is a product of NBA forcing MJ down the audiences throat.

They are so blind they cannot even see "air jordan" and "jump man" brand are predicated on MJs universal GOATness and his unparallel popularity and pop culture iconic stature in remote countries like Australia, NZ, China and France that are known as Soccer dens. or other sports dens.

MJ was like Ali and Michael Jackson. He was never limited to Bball like Kobe and LBJ.

He was much much bigger than Bball and this predicated his Jordan Brand.

His style of Play, competitiveness, and game only complemented that big time.

[Airupthere]

MJ’s game speaks for itself. Lebron’s is so ugly that they have to resort to all sorts of propaganda

[Axe]

His argument makes no sense.

When MJ got to the league the East was the superior Conference, which is why he was stuck losing in his early years in Chicago as he had little help around him, and even still he gave the Pistons their toughest series while he basically the entire offense for Chicago. He took the Pistons to 6-7 games in B2B years when those teams beat down on everybody else.

When Lebron came into the league the league changed the rules and made defenses worse after his mediocre rookie season in 03-04. Jordan was a dominant scorer and arguably the best in the league from the jump. The defense actually got better in the league as the years went on, so the trajectory was actually the opposite of how it went with Lebron's career in terms of the strength of the opposing defenses. Look at how strong the Knicks were on defense, and they could never get past Jordan. Pistons had good defenders at every position and beat the crap out him.

And Lebron has the size/speed advantage over most defenders that guard him, that's why he's able to score at a high rate. Jordan had the athletic advantage on top of ATG shooting skill which Bran has always lacked in his game.

The East was clearly the weaker Conference in Bran's era, even when the Celtics had their Big 3. You could get out of the EC on a team that had just 1 star/All-NBA player because the WC had all the superstars and most of the top offenses in the league. IDK how any Bran stan can make this argument with a straight face.
The sore loser poster directly above you loves deepthroating a lot and is severely into mermen. Extremely gay, weird and retarded af.

[gengiskhan]

If the NBA could manufacture a Michael Jordan ... believe me they'd have done it already. They can't. They would tilt the rules however they had to make it happen, the problem is it doesn't work that way (and gawd knows they've changed the rules to help scoring go up).

this.

MJ is literally created in the Basketball Lab. Had he been taller, the "flying" dunks would've become "stretch"ing dunks. longer upper body means, lower back injuries (pippen, bird). A perfect height. with hand size of Wilt. with strength of LBJ. with quickness of AI. with IQ of Bird. with competitiveness of Magic.

Nobody is remotely close to him......... Like Magic said, "there is MJ, then there is everyone else"


Neither can Nike. ABC. Or Gatorade/PepsiCo. etc. etc. etc.

You can't manufacture a player like that, it's just one of those things that happens.

They tried very very hard. With 1993 Rookie dominance of Shaq. Deisel was suppose to be the next chosen one.

then came all the HEIR Jordans (Penny, Stacks, Miner, Kobe, Vince, Wade, Bron, Hill, J.R., )


It's like asking boxing to make a new Muhammad Ali ... they can't even make a new Mike Tyson for the modern era.

Could not have said it better myself.

There is Ali. There is MJ. There is Michael Jackson. That list is very very short. Tyson had a chance. He was right there but just blew it.

Shaq had a chance. the power, the dominance, the talent is right there to remind us all of modern day wilt. But just blew it. Laziness. rapping. poor work ethics.


The fact that Kawhi Leonard pre-ACL tear was basically the no.1 or 2 player in the game circa 2019 and he's basically just a less athletic, not nearly as agile/smooth, more robotic, less lift on his jumper, less killer instinct version of Jordan basically tells you the real deal would be the best player in the league today. Kawhi at his peak is basically a poor man's Jordan.

Yes.........but

we talking 1993-1998 PEAK prime to PEAK twilight poor-man Jordan.

Ain't no version of Kawhi remotely resembles, freak athletic, lab specimen of a 1983-1990 Jordan. Not even poor-man's.

Ditto for Kobe, I mean say what you want, but a 2006-era Kobe would shred this league right now and put up probably like 35-36 ppg. Kobe didn't quite have Jordan's top end athletic ability though and had poorer basketball I.Q. (which is a significant difference), so add that on top of everything Kobe has, and you get Jordan.


But I don't buy the Jordan couldn't dominate the league currently. Kawhi did, Kobe would, Jordan definitely would. Jordan is basically the best of Kobe and the best of Kawhi put into one package that is smarter athletically just a touch better touch (better vertical leap, bigger hands than Kobe, more agility in mid-air, Kawhi isn't close).

Jordan would destroy the today's NBA. its that easy. ticky tacky fouls alone will send jordan to line 20 times.

how can today's NBA will keep Jordan or Shaq score less than 45 PPG is beyond me.


You got 6 foot 2 guys like Ja Morant just doing whatever they want on the court, you got Jokic who's probably as athletic as Luc Longley probably gonna win another MVP, you have Luka Doncic who's maybe marginally more athletic than Toni Kukoc dominating out ther being maybe the runner up to MVP, lol.

6'2" ja with midget hand size and even shorter wingspan pretending to be Mike.

Tony Kukoc will be MVP runner-up today easily. definitely.