belgian goalie collapses and died after making a save (vax cucks might not like this)

[warriorfan]

https://www.espn.com/soccer/story/4877759/belgian-goalkeeper-arne-espeel-dies-after-collapsing-on-pitch?platform=amp

vax cucks about to fume hard :roll:

[Overdrive]

https://www.espn.com/soccer/story/4877759/belgian-goalkeeper-arne-espeel-dies-after-collapsing-on-pitch?platform=amp

vax cucks about to fume hard :roll:

Like footballers never died on the pitch before.

[┌∩┐(﹒︠益﹒︡)┌∩┐]

Sad news. Article has no mention of vaccines, what a deranged thing to laugh about. Seek help.

[SATAN]

Last I heard you're more likely to have heart issues after getting covid than the vaccine(s). :confusedshrug:

[ArbitraryWater]

Like footballers never died on the pitch before.

:oldlol:

Yeah, this every 10-year occasion or so, just happens to happen every year now..


connect the dots for christ sake :facepalm

[ArbitraryWater]

Last I heard you're more likely to have heart issues after getting covid than the vaccine(s). :confusedshrug:

Youre gonna hear a lot of things that make no sense.

Deaths are now being blamed on racism and climate change.


Depends on how big of a fool you are.


To believe that a year old infection (if he even had one) aka "long covid" even though he felt good, would contribute more to a collapse and death than a vaccine, is insanely moronic.


May God help your tiny brain.

[ArbitraryWater]

Sad news. Article has no mention of vaccines, what a deranged thing to laugh about. Seek help.

Are you too stupid to realize this happened from the vax?

[zeerghit]

why this crackhead laughing ?

[1987_Lakers]

Very odd to be laughing at another person dying.

[Overdrive]

Youre gonna hear a lot of things that make no sense.

Deaths are now being blamed on racism and climate change.


Depends on how big of a fool you are.


To believe that a year old infection (if he even had one) aka "long covid" even though he felt good, would contribute more to a collapse and death than a vaccine, is insanely moronic.


May God help your tiny brain.

1: The vaccine emulates parts of the virus.
1.1: Covid is no retrovirus.
2: Even if it was the whole virus it would be only as harmful as the virus itself.
3: The virus causes myokarditis at a higher rate than the vaccine. Between 1000:1 and 10000:1 in clinical trial
4: Myokarditis is a reversible event in almost all cases.
5: No, it didn't happen every 10 years.
6: The biggest issue about acquired heart damage is non curing of viral infections by the players themselves. No matter if flu, covid or just a common cold.

Keep on believing the BS you do if it helps you coping with the reality around you.

[ArbitraryWater]

2: Even if it was the whole virus it would be only as harmful as the virus itself.

You are outrageously dumb bro. Have you ever heard of side effects?

You pumped an untested vax into your body and apparently know all about the potential impact it can have on a human body. Hilarious.


Athletes dropping like flies, people complaining over having chest pain since taking the vaccine, but its all just things that „happened before“ and surely could not be related to the vaccine.

So you go off posting stats while deaths are not even tested to be in relation with the vax.

What a wonderful blissful life. All is well with the world, isnt it?

[ArbitraryWater]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/Coqca1fspOQ/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=



But but the vax could never do such a thing, no?

Must be attributed to dangerous corona?

[Overdrive]

You are outrageously dumb bro. Have you ever heard of side effects?

You pumped an untested vax into your body and apparently know all about the potential impact it can have on a human body. Hilarious.


Athletes dropping like flies, people complaining over having chest pain since taking the vaccine, but its all just things that „happened before“ and surely could not be related to the vaccine.

So you go off posting stats while deaths are not even tested to be in relation with the vax.

What a wonderful blissful life. All is well with the world, isnt it?

Just as usual you can't even tackle the whole post. You're not even worth the effort in dumbing down anything for you. Maybe if I paint my posts it might help.

[Overdrive]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/Coqca1fspOQ/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=



But but the vax could never do such a thing, no?

Must be attributed to dangerous corona?

Explain to me how a part of the virus can cause an illness the virus can't.

[SATAN]

Youre

Didn't read the rest. Spurs m8 level stupid.

[ZenMaster]

1: The vaccine emulates parts of the virus.

3: The virus causes myokarditis at a higher rate than the vaccine. Between 1000:1 and 10000:1 in clinical trial


Is this the trial you're basing this on or do you know of something more extensive, which also includes a non-vaccinated control group?

https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/full/10.1161/CIRCULATIONAHA.122.059970

[Off the Court]

Odds are it was neither covid nor the vaccine and he was just born with a heart defect. These things happened before covid and will happen after. Isolated events will never show anything, you need to show an overall increase from now and then. And if we are having to look at random athletes in Belgium my guess is that there is no increase.

[ArbitraryWater]

Odds are it was neither covid nor the vaccine and he was just born with a heart defect. These things happened before covid and will happen after. Isolated events will never show anything, you need to show an overall increase from now and then. And if we are having to look at random athletes in Belgium my guess is that there is no increase.


sure :oldlol:


like a these heathy 20 year olds that just so happen to be dropping dead now..

genetics, man. These things are actually quite common! :rolleyes:

[ArbitraryWater]

Explain to me how a part of the virus can cause an illness the virus can't.

You dont have the slightest clue about vaccines, do you?

The covid vaccines were never "Totimpfung" vaccines.

Every single medical creation and vaccine can cause effects completely unrelated to the disease/virus.

If not, there would be no difference to natural immunity and thus no need for a vaccine. Dumb dumb.

[Off the Court]

sure :oldlol:


like a these heathy 20 year olds that just so happen to be dropping dead now..

genetics, man. These things are actually quite common! :rolleyes:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudden_cardiac_death_of_athletes
Mohamed Abdelwahab, 22 (2006), soccer
Gaines Adams, 26 (2010), Amer. football
Jaouad Akaddar, 28 (2012), soccer
Davide Astori, 31 (2018), soccer
Víctor Hugo Ávalos, 37 (2009), soccer
Heath Benedict, 24 (2008), Amer. football
Hédi Berkhissa, 24 (1997), soccer
Pedro Berruezo, 27 (1973), soccer
Viktor Blinov, 22 (1968), ice hockey
Gilbert Bulawan, 29 (2016), basketball
J. V. Cain, 28 (1979), Amer. football
Sékou Camara, 27 (2013), soccer
Alexei Cherepanov, 19 (2008), ice hockey
Mitchell Cole, 27 (2012), soccer
Jason Collier, 28 (2005), basketball
Hugo Cunha, 28 (2005), soccer
Renato Curi, 24 (1977), soccer
Alexander Dale Oen, 26 (2012), swimming
Frankie de la Cruz, 37 (2021), baseball
Shane del Rosario, 30 (2013), MMA
Ben Idrissa Dermé, 34 (2016), soccer
Lyle Downs, 24 (1921), Austral. football
Patrick Ekeng, 26 (2016), soccer
Bobsam Elejiko, 30 (2011), soccer
Derrick Faison, 36 (2004), Amer. football
Sebastian Faisst, 20 (2009), handball
Miklós Fehér, 24 (2004), soccer
Neil Fingleton, 36 (2017), basketball
Marc-Vivien Foé, 28 (2003), soccer
Matt Gadsby, 27 (2006), soccer
Hank Gathers, 23 (1990), basketball
Cristian Gómez, 27 (2015), soccer
Michael Goolaerts, 23 (2018), cycling
Larry Gordon, 28 (1983), Amer. football
Herb Gorman, 28 (1953), baseball
Rasmus Green, 26 (2006), soccer
Sergei Grinkov, 28 (1995), figure skating
Eddie Guerrero, 38 (2005), wrestling
Frank Hayes, 35 (1923), horse racing
Thomas Herrion, 23 (2005), Amer. football
Cătălin Hîldan, 24 (2000), soccer
Dixie Howell, 40 (1960), baseball
Chuck Hughes, 28 (1971), Amer. football
Flo Hyman, 31 (1986), volleyball
Endurance Idahor, 25 (2010), soccer
Robbie James, 40 (1998), soccer
Daniel Jarque, 26 (2009), soccer
Cristiano Júnior, 25 (2004), soccer
Joe Kennedy, 28 (2007), baseball
Darryl Kile, 33 (2002), baseball
John Kirkby, 23 (1953), soccer
Michael Klein, 33 (1993), soccer
György Kolonics, 36 (2008), canoeing
Wayne Larkin, 29 (1968), ice hockey
Rauli Levonen, 28 (1981), ice hockey
Reggie Lewis, 27 (1993), basketball
José Lima, 37 (2010), baseball
David Longhurst, 25 (1990), soccer
Nikola Mantov, 23 (1973), soccer
Pete Maravich, 40 (1988), basketball
Alex Marques, 20 (2013), soccer
Jesse Marunde, 27 (2007), weightlifting
Scott Mason, 28 (2005), cricket
Naoki Matsuda, 34 (2011), soccer
Stan Mauldin, 27 (1948), Amer. football
Cormac McAnallen, 24 (2004), Gaelic football
Conrad McRae, 29 (2000), basketball
Fab Melo, 26 (2017), basketball
Nilton Pereira Mendes, 30 (2006), soccer
Igor Misko, 23 (2010), ice hockey
Stéphane Morin, 29 (1998), ice hockey
Piermario Morosini, 25 (2012), soccer
Carl Morton, 39 (1983), baseball
Damien Nash, 24 (2007), Amer. football
Frederiek Nolf, 21 (2009), cycling
Chaswe Nsofwa, 28 (2007), soccer
Gábor Ocskay, 33 (2009), ice hockey
Phil O'Donnell, 35 (2007), soccer
Samuel Okwaraji, 25 (1989), soccer
David Oniya, 30 (2015), soccer
Alen Pamić, 23 (2013), soccer
Pavão, 26 (1973), soccer
Bruno Pezzey, 39 (1994), soccer
Pheidippides, c. 40 (490 BC), marathon
Antonio Puerta, 22 (2007), soccer
Petar Radaković, 29 (1966), soccer
Mickey Renaud, 19 (2008), ice hockey
Bernardo Ribeiro, 26 (2016), soccer
Darcy Robinson, 26 (2007), ice hockey
Brad Rone, 34 (2003), boxing
Omar Sahnoun, 24 (1980), soccer
Serginho, 30 (2004), soccer
Ryan Shay, 28 (2007), marathon
Dave Sparks, 26 (1954), Amer. football
Cheick Tioté, 30 (2017), soccer
Robert Traylor, 34 (2011), basketball
Zeke Upshaw, 26 (2018), basketball
Luciano Vendemini, 24 (1977), basketball
Ginty Vrede, 22 (2008), kickboxing
Frank Warfield, 35 (1932), baseball
Chandler Williams, 27 (2013), Amer. football
David "Soldier" Wilson, 23 (1906), soccer
Sergejs Žoltoks, 31 (2004), ice hockey



You're just a moron who easily falls for internet hoopla.

[Patrick Chewing]

Odds are it was neither covid nor the vaccine and he was just born with a heart defect. These things happened before covid and will happen after. Isolated events will never show anything, you need to show an overall increase from now and then. And if we are having to look at random athletes in Belgium my guess is that there is no increase.


This f'n guy. Off the Court will finally realize what's going on when it happens to him. But by then it'll be too late cause he'll be dead.

[Off the Court]

This f'n guy. Off the Court will finally realize what's going on when it happens to him. But by then it'll be too late cause he'll be dead.

you're f@#king vaccinated :roll:

[Patrick Chewing]

you're f@#king vaccinated :roll:

Yes, and if I croak because of it, I'm haunting you forever, m'fer!

[Patrick Chewing]

Former NFL player collapses and dies suddenly today:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/nfl/article-11754595/Ex-Detroit-Lions-player-Stanley-Wilson-Jr-died-collapsing-aged-just-40.html?ito=social-twitter_mailonline

[ArbitraryWater]

https://streamable.com/sooki0


Overdrive be like: Nothing to see here, nothing the virus wouldn‘t do a well

Sick fck

[Overdrive]

Is this the trial you're basing this on or do you know of something more extensive, which also includes a non-vaccinated control group?

https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/full/10.1161/CIRCULATIONAHA.122.059970

What exactly is unclear for you? The article even states that the myocarditis is higher for natural CoV infections than the vaccines? What control group do you want? Unvaccined and never had an infection? What be the use behind that?


You dont have the slightest clue about vaccines, do you?

The covid vaccines were never "Totimpfung" vaccines.

Every single medical creation and vaccine can cause effects completely unrelated to the disease/virus.

If not, there would be no difference to natural immunity and thus no need for a vaccine. Dumb dumb.

1: Viruses use mRNA for gene expression after they entered host cells. That's how they reproduce.
2: Human cells also use mRNA for the same purpose. That's why viruses work in the first place
3: The Covid 19 virus is a virus
4: Thus it has mRNA
5: The vaccine emulates certain parts of the mRNA to reproduce parts of the virus
6: This sequence is exactly found within the virus' mRNA
7: Thus it's a part of the virus
8: I never said it was a totimpfung

Your unprovoked personal attacks while you really know nothing are pretty much a telltale sign that you're clueless just about anything. E.B. should have a pic of you next to Dunning-Kruger.

[Overdrive]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudden_cardiac_death_of_athletes
Mohamed Abdelwahab, 22 (2006), soccer
Gaines Adams, 26 (2010), Amer. football
Jaouad Akaddar, 28 (2012), soccer
Davide Astori, 31 (2018), soccer
Víctor Hugo Ávalos, 37 (2009), soccer
Heath Benedict, 24 (2008), Amer. football
Hédi Berkhissa, 24 (1997), soccer
Pedro Berruezo, 27 (1973), soccer
Viktor Blinov, 22 (1968), ice hockey
Gilbert Bulawan, 29 (2016), basketball
J. V. Cain, 28 (1979), Amer. football
Sékou Camara, 27 (2013), soccer
Alexei Cherepanov, 19 (2008), ice hockey
Mitchell Cole, 27 (2012), soccer
Jason Collier, 28 (2005), basketball
Hugo Cunha, 28 (2005), soccer
Renato Curi, 24 (1977), soccer
Alexander Dale Oen, 26 (2012), swimming
Frankie de la Cruz, 37 (2021), baseball
Shane del Rosario, 30 (2013), MMA
Ben Idrissa Dermé, 34 (2016), soccer
Lyle Downs, 24 (1921), Austral. football
Patrick Ekeng, 26 (2016), soccer
Bobsam Elejiko, 30 (2011), soccer
Derrick Faison, 36 (2004), Amer. football
Sebastian Faisst, 20 (2009), handball
Miklós Fehér, 24 (2004), soccer
Neil Fingleton, 36 (2017), basketball
Marc-Vivien Foé, 28 (2003), soccer
Matt Gadsby, 27 (2006), soccer
Hank Gathers, 23 (1990), basketball
Cristian Gómez, 27 (2015), soccer
Michael Goolaerts, 23 (2018), cycling
Larry Gordon, 28 (1983), Amer. football
Herb Gorman, 28 (1953), baseball
Rasmus Green, 26 (2006), soccer
Sergei Grinkov, 28 (1995), figure skating
Eddie Guerrero, 38 (2005), wrestling
Frank Hayes, 35 (1923), horse racing
Thomas Herrion, 23 (2005), Amer. football
Cătălin Hîldan, 24 (2000), soccer
Dixie Howell, 40 (1960), baseball
Chuck Hughes, 28 (1971), Amer. football
Flo Hyman, 31 (1986), volleyball
Endurance Idahor, 25 (2010), soccer
Robbie James, 40 (1998), soccer
Daniel Jarque, 26 (2009), soccer
Cristiano Júnior, 25 (2004), soccer
Joe Kennedy, 28 (2007), baseball
Darryl Kile, 33 (2002), baseball
John Kirkby, 23 (1953), soccer
Michael Klein, 33 (1993), soccer
György Kolonics, 36 (2008), canoeing
Wayne Larkin, 29 (1968), ice hockey
Rauli Levonen, 28 (1981), ice hockey
Reggie Lewis, 27 (1993), basketball
José Lima, 37 (2010), baseball
David Longhurst, 25 (1990), soccer
Nikola Mantov, 23 (1973), soccer
Pete Maravich, 40 (1988), basketball
Alex Marques, 20 (2013), soccer
Jesse Marunde, 27 (2007), weightlifting
Scott Mason, 28 (2005), cricket
Naoki Matsuda, 34 (2011), soccer
Stan Mauldin, 27 (1948), Amer. football
Cormac McAnallen, 24 (2004), Gaelic football
Conrad McRae, 29 (2000), basketball
Fab Melo, 26 (2017), basketball
Nilton Pereira Mendes, 30 (2006), soccer
Igor Misko, 23 (2010), ice hockey
Stéphane Morin, 29 (1998), ice hockey
Piermario Morosini, 25 (2012), soccer
Carl Morton, 39 (1983), baseball
Damien Nash, 24 (2007), Amer. football
Frederiek Nolf, 21 (2009), cycling
Chaswe Nsofwa, 28 (2007), soccer
Gábor Ocskay, 33 (2009), ice hockey
Phil O'Donnell, 35 (2007), soccer
Samuel Okwaraji, 25 (1989), soccer
David Oniya, 30 (2015), soccer
Alen Pamić, 23 (2013), soccer
Pavão, 26 (1973), soccer
Bruno Pezzey, 39 (1994), soccer
Pheidippides, c. 40 (490 BC), marathon
Antonio Puerta, 22 (2007), soccer
Petar Radaković, 29 (1966), soccer
Mickey Renaud, 19 (2008), ice hockey
Bernardo Ribeiro, 26 (2016), soccer
Darcy Robinson, 26 (2007), ice hockey
Brad Rone, 34 (2003), boxing
Omar Sahnoun, 24 (1980), soccer
Serginho, 30 (2004), soccer
Ryan Shay, 28 (2007), marathon
Dave Sparks, 26 (1954), Amer. football
Cheick Tioté, 30 (2017), soccer
Robert Traylor, 34 (2011), basketball
Zeke Upshaw, 26 (2018), basketball
Luciano Vendemini, 24 (1977), basketball
Ginty Vrede, 22 (2008), kickboxing
Frank Warfield, 35 (1932), baseball
Chandler Williams, 27 (2013), Amer. football
David "Soldier" Wilson, 23 (1906), soccer
Sergejs Žoltoks, 31 (2004), ice hockey



You're just a moron who easily falls for internet hoopla.

This post is and will be ignored.

The last two athletes the usual suspects brought up here were a vocal antivaxxer and a drug OD.

[Overdrive]

https://streamable.com/sooki0


Overdrive be like: Nothing to see here, nothing the virus wouldn‘t do a well

Sick fck

The only sick ****s are people using these deaths to one up their enemies. FN partizans.

[diamenz]

must have been those toxic fumes from the train derailment in ohio. rip.

[ArbitraryWater]

Dr. Robert Malone, pioneer of the mrna vaccine talking about the dangers of the covid vax:
https://streamable.com/h09dwe


Maybe he should have listened to ISH poster Overdrive‘s pseudo-science.


If you know its not a totimpfung, you should know there are side effects not attributed or to come from the virus itself.

[ArbitraryWater]

This post is and will be ignored.

The last two athletes the usual suspects brought up here were a vocal antivaxxer and a drug OD.


Thats a list going back to 490 BC you dumb ****. And it has what, 50 people on it?

50, for a list trying to record every athlete death in the history of this planet.

There‘s about 5 in the last year.

You cant be this retarded.

[Overdrive]

Dr. Robert Malone, pioneer of the mrna vaccine talking about the dangers of the covid vax:
https://streamable.com/h09dwe


Maybe he should have listened to ISH poster Overdrive‘s pseudo-science.


If you know its not a totimpfung, you should know there are side effects not attributed or to come from the virus itself.

Tell me about the effects the vaccine has the virus doesn't. I'm curious. The guy wasn't part of any mRNA vaccine research group for how many years?

Goes hand in hand with you petty argument here.


Thats a list going back to 490 BC you dumb ****. And it has what, 50 people on it?

50, for a list trying to record every athlete death in the history of this planet.

There‘s about 5 in the last year.

You cant be this retarded.

1: How many of these 5 died of accute myokarditis?
2: Those who did. Were they vaccined?
3: Why are you so mad? Why the personal attacks?
4: You babbled something about kindness in the grammy thread. Get same manners and "Gesprächskultur" before you come back to me.

[ArbitraryWater]

Tell me about the effects the vaccine has the virus doesn't. I'm curious. The guy wasn't part of any mRNA vaccine research group for how many years?

Goes hand in hand with you petty argument here.



1: How many of these 5 died of accute myokarditis?
2: Those who did. Were they vaccined?
3: Why are you so mad? Why the personal attacks?
4: You babbled something about kindness in the grammy thread. Get same manners and "Gesprächskultur" before you come back to me.


Have you not seen the video I previously posted of that woman? Are those not effects of a vaccine?

I dont and cant know what specific effects have resuted, but I know pretty much a are possibe. And Ive seen it. And you have too.

In another video, she stated that her platelets were less than 1 (shoud be between 150-450). She had to go to the hospital immediatey. After transfusions were done, they were raised to 3. She made videos the following weeks giving updates, the highest it got was 32. No idea what happened to her.

This is one tiny example. Ive seen people turn to crippes after getting the vaccine.

And youre ignorant enough to believe the covid vaccine is without side effects?

Dude why did they test it for 1 year at all then?

Every vaccine is inherently able to cause side effects. Thats why people react differently to it.

What kind of argument are you making? Youre setting a dangerous precedent with this kind of thinking.

Some pseudo-science ass shit. Doing the devils work, congrats.

[ArbitraryWater]

1: How many of these 5 died of accute myokarditis?
2: Those who did. Were they vaccined?
3: Why are you so mad? Why the personal attacks?
4: You babbled something about kindness in the grammy thread. Get same manners and "Gesprächskultur" before you come back to me.


Sure, miraculously there is a rise in myocarditis now...

it coudnt be the vaccine that everyone just took.

The more Overdrives exist, the more a society is ****ed.

about kindness? What?

[ZenMaster]

What exactly is unclear for you? The article even states that the myocarditis is higher for natural CoV infections than the vaccines? What control group do you want? Unvaccined and never had an infection? What be the use behind that?


I'll take your aggressiveness as a no.

The way I see it is that as you've stated, myocarditis is a product of the symptoms one experiences when being sick with covid.
Being vaccinated is supposed to prevent those symptoms. It's therefore pretty logical that non vaccinated people who was infected should see much higher rates of myocarditis than vaccinated people and it should have been pretty easy to include this control group as well.

[Overdrive]

Have you not seen the video I previously posted of that woman? Are those not effects of a vaccine?

I dont and cant know what specific effects have resuted, but I know pretty much a are possibe. And Ive seen it. And you have too.

In another video, she stated that her platelets were less than 1 (shoud be between 150-450). She had to go to the hospital immediatey. After transfusions were done, they were raised to 3. She made videos the following weeks giving updates, the highest it got was 32. No idea what happened to her.

This is one tiny example. Ive seen people turn to crippes after getting the vaccine.

And youre ignorant enough to believe the covid vaccine is without side effects?

Dude why did they test it for 1 year at all then?

Every vaccine is inherently able to cause side effects. Thats why people react differently to it.

What kind of argument are you making? Youre setting a dangerous precedent with this kind of thinking.

Some pseudo-science ass shit. Doing the devils work, congrats.

Pseudo science. You've seen a video and you draw conclusions. I can tell you never put a foot into any scientific institution, never seen a lab from the inside, never had any scientific education. Don't give me some "I did my abitur in chemistry or whatever and talked 5 minutes aboit redox reactions".

I have degree, because I gave up for the sake of time & money, but I witnessed science firsthand and using some emperic conclusions that fit your narrative without and inch of proof mean nothing.

Thesis - experiment - proof - defense vs antithesis - theory. That's the way it goes. You're at the beginning of the thesis stadium. No proof yet just assumptions.

I'm not denying that the covid vaccine can have negative effects. I'm attacking the unproven assumptions just to one up the "vaxcucks".

Any vaccine no matter how it presents the antigens to the host organism will cause a reaction. Some individuals will have a worse reaction to the antigens, but still the anti genes are not worse than the complete or life antigens the illness itself presents to the host.

The only material the vaccines include which the virii don't are the carriers to start the subcutaneous inflamation that makes the vaccine itself work in the first place. Thes eare usually some tiny doses aluminiumsalts.

And yes people can react allergic to them.

Covid itself messes with your platelets. That info was out long before the vaccine was even in its testing phase.

[Overdrive]

I'll take your aggressiveness as a no.

The way I see it is that as you've stated, myocarditis is a product of the symptoms one experiences when being sick with covid.
Being vaccinated is supposed to prevent those symptoms. It's therefore pretty logical that non vaccinated people who was infected should see much higher rates of myocarditis than vaccinated people and it should have been pretty easy to include this control group as well.

You're arguing a total different point than me. I agree that the vaccine became useless when its effectiveness dropped each mutation. Much a reason why I didn't bother to get another shot after omikron went pandemic.

I'm arguing against the assumption that the vaccine is more reaponsible for cardiac arrests than the illness itself like warriorfan acts while studies suggest the opposite. Doesn't mean the vaccine will prevent you from catching covid and any of its sideeffects.

The vaccine became useless, but nothing suggests the vaccine is more dangerous than the desease.

[Off the Court]

Former NFL player collapses and dies suddenly today:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/nfl/article-11754595/Ex-Detroit-Lions-player-Stanley-Wilson-Jr-died-collapsing-aged-just-40.html?ito=social-twitter_mailonline

This guy didn't even die on the field he died in a mental hospital and has multiple felonies :oldlol:

What a joke :roll:

Meanwhile every human over age 70 has done like 5 boosters and is just fine.

[Off the Court]

Thats a list going back to 490 BC you dumb ****. And it has what, 50 people on it?

50, for a list trying to record every athlete death in the history of this planet.

There‘s about 5 in the last year.

You cant be this retarded.

That's just the notable professionals. Multiple high school athletes drop dead every year dating back to the start of high school sports.

Born with enlarged hearts or abnormal beats, birth defects unseen until too late.

[Overdrive]

That's just the notable professionals. Multiple high school athletes drop dead every year dating back to the start of high school sports.

Born with enlarged hearts or abnormal beats, birth defects unseen until too late.

Pretty much. We're talking about an belgium amateur goalkeeper itt. How many deaths of random people make it into the news outside of some district papers? How many amateur athlete deaths? The hoopla about covid basically gets them more spotlight than they would've gotten 4 years ago.

[ZenMaster]

You're arguing a total different point than me. I agree that the vaccine became useless when its effectiveness dropped each mutation. Much a reason why I didn't bother to get another shot after omikron went pandemic.

I'm arguing against the assumption that the vaccine is more reaponsible for cardiac arrests than the illness itself like warriorfan acts while studies suggest the opposite. Doesn't mean the vaccine will prevent you from catching covid and any of its sideeffects.

The vaccine became useless, but nothing suggests the vaccine is more dangerous than the desease.

Alright, I'll point out another couple of things and you're welcome to point out if I'm interpreting the wording wrongly as I'm in no way an expert in reading these.


The incidence rate ratio and excess number of hospital admissions or deaths from myocarditis per million people were estimated for the 1 to 28 days after sequential doses of adenovirus (ChAdOx1) or mRNA-based (BNT162b2, mRNA-1273) vaccines, or after a positive SARS-CoV-2 test.

The way I read that is that they only attributed the myocarditis to the vaccine if it was experienced within 1-28 days of receiving a shot, but for people who had a positive test they attributed the myocarditis to it if it happened within any time of the 1 year period that the trial ran. Shouldn't that have only been measured within 1-28 days as well?

Secondly:


Associations were stronger in men younger than 40 years for all vaccines. In men younger than 40 years old, the number of excess myocarditis events per million people was higher after a second dose of mRNA-1273 than after a positive SARS-CoV-2 test

I think you pointed out that there was a 10x higher chance of getting myocarditis from covid than the vaccine, but the study has it waaaay different for males under 40.

Since the vaccines became useless to prevent covid, taking two doses as a male below 40(most of this forum), means that you now have more than double the chance of getting myocarditis than if you hadn't taken the vaccine.
Add to that that lots of people took a 3rd shot as well and some even more, which isn't part of the trial.

Then there's also theories about the vaccine not being good for other stuff like cancer, but I have absolutely no trials or anything scientific on that so I can't speak on it. It's just stuff I read about how the spike protein works in this new substance that people never injected into their bodies on a mass scale before.

Glad I never took it. Unrelated or not, people have been dying in record numbers these last months but it's not my concern.

[Overdrive]

Alright, I'll point out another couple of things and you're welcome to point out if I'm interpreting the wording wrongly as I'm in no way an expert in reading these.



The way I read that is that they only attributed the myocarditis to the vaccine if it was experienced within 1-28 days of receiving a shot, but for people who had a positive test they attributed the myocarditis to it if it happened within any time of the 1 year period that the trial ran. Shouldn't that have only been measured within 1-28 days as well?

Secondly:



I think you pointed out that there was a 10x higher chance of getting myocarditis from covid than the vaccine, but the study has it waaaay different for males under 40.

Since the vaccines became useless to prevent covid, taking two doses as a male below 40(most of this forum), means that you now have more than double the chance of getting myocarditis than if you hadn't taken the vaccine.
Add to that that lots of people took a 3rd shot as well and some even more, which isn't part of the trial.

Then there's also theories about the vaccine not being good for other stuff like cancer, but I have absolutely no trials or anything scientific on that so I can't speak on it. It's just stuff I read about how the spike protein works in this new substance that people never injected into their bodies on a mass scale before.

Glad I never took it. Unrelated or not, people have been dying in record numbers these last months but it's not my concern.

Ad 1: in a way I agree it. Seems pretty unblanaced to track it for a month for the vaccine and a year for Covid, but I think from the curiosity if long covid can lead to a myocarditis(is it a c in english?) aswell. Yet I think a year both both is futile since there are other promary infections that lead to it. Usually iirc myocarditis forms about two four weeks after the primary infection.

Ad 2: I read that as the 2nd shot having more excess cases than the first, but it's unclear wether it means in total compared to the infection or meaning the 2nd shot raises the caserate compared to the infection and relative. Let's say first shot is 10:1 and second tilts it to 5:1.

That's also how it was presented in "Der Spiegel", a classic leftist(not american style liberal) magazine, and FAZ a classic very conservative newspaper.
The wording is really inconclusive though.

Also the record excess deaths are going down already again and as I said before there's alot of spotlight on it by both the covid and antivax crowd.

The reality is that it's over as a political theme and neither can't let go.

[Off the Court]

Glad I never took it. Unrelated or not, people have been dying in record numbers these last months but it's not my concern.

Yeah it's called covid-19

https://healthfeedback.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/WeeklyExcessDeaths.png

Excess deaths go in line with the covid waves, and in the US the most excess deaths are in the overweight red neck unvaxxed states.

Excess deaths in the US have plummeted because covid rates have plummeted.


Another thing, even if the vaccine doubles myocarditis odds in young men that is going from 1 in 40,000 to 1 in 20,000. It's of no concern when young people are dropping like flies to fentanyl.

[ZenMaster]

Ad 1: in a way I agree it. Seems pretty unblanaced to track it for a month for the vaccine and a year for Covid, but I think from the curiosity if long covid can lead to a myocarditis(is it a c in english?) aswell. Yet I think a year both both is futile since there are other promary infections that lead to it. Usually iirc myocarditis forms about two four weeks after the primary infection.

Ad 2: I read that as the 2nd shot having more excess cases than the first, but it's unclear wether it means in total compared to the infection or meaning the 2nd shot raises the caserate compared to the infection and relative. Let's say first shot is 10:1 and second tilts it to 5:1.

That's also how it was presented in "Der Spiegel", a classic leftist(not american style liberal) magazine, and FAZ a classic very conservative newspaper.
The wording is really inconclusive though.

Also the record excess deaths are going down already again and as I said before there's alot of spotlight on it by both the covid and antivax crowd.

The reality is that it's over as a political theme and neither can't let go.

I find it absolutely crazy that the wording is inconclusive, the way this sentence is written in English "In men younger than 40 years old, the number of excess myocarditis events per million people was higher after a second dose of mRNA-1273 than after a positive SARS-CoV-2 test"
to me it clearly describes that there are more excess deaths after second dose of mRNA than after testing positive for covid, as the baseline for excess death attributed to myocarditis is what it is.

To the first point, I'm glad you agree, but if I presented a study that was set up in way to skew numbers as showing more for people with vaccines than covid, I'm pretty sure you would call out how it's a fake study and not worth the time.
To your point about curiosity for long covid causing myocarditis, since parts of the vaccine replicates the virus as you say, then it should also be the case that vaccines can cause myocarditis over a longer period than just the first 28 days.

[Overdrive]

I find it absolutely crazy that the wording is inconclusive, the way this sentence is written in English "In men younger than 40 years old, the number of excess myocarditis events per million people was higher after a second dose of mRNA-1273 than after a positive SARS-CoV-2 test"
to me it clearly describes that there are more excess deaths after second dose of mRNA than after testing positive for covid, as the baseline for excess death attributed to myocarditis is what it is.

To the first point, I'm glad you agree, but if I presented a study that was set up in way to skew numbers as showing more for people with vaccines than covid, I'm pretty sure you would call out how it's a fake study and not worth the time.
To your point about curiosity for long covid causing myocarditis, since parts of the vaccine replicates the virus as you say, then it should also be the case that vaccines can cause myocarditis over a longer period than just the first 28 days.

Nah a study is a study and calling something fakenews isn't any reasonable falsification.
Regarding the last point: I haven't read anything that suggests the vaccines cause long covid. So I understand the study's angle, but I still find it odd.

The study didn't track any other infections during that year. A flu, a cold can cause myocarditis if handled the wrong way. So if a patient has covid in september, a cold in december and goes jogging during having the cold a myocarditis could be diagnosed without any link to covid. I'd apply the same line of thinking if it was the vaccine being monitored for a year and covid for 28 days. A year adds to many outside factors to the statistics.

[warriorfan]

vax cucks absolutely FUMING right now

:roll:

[ZenMaster]

Nah a study is a study and calling something fakenews isn't any reasonable falsification.
Regarding the last point: I haven't read anything that suggests the vaccines cause long covid. So I understand the study's angle, but I still find it odd.

The study didn't track any other infections during that year. A flu, a cold can cause myocarditis if handled the wrong way. So if a patient has covid in september, a cold in december and goes jogging during having the cold a myocarditis could be diagnosed without any link to covid. I'd apply the same line of thinking if it was the vaccine being monitored for a year and covid for 28 days. A year adds to many outside factors to the statistics.

Fair points.

Regarding long covid, if covid can cause long covid and the mRNA vaccines replicate part of the vaccine, why wouldn't it be logical that they can also cause long term effects? Like what this guy talks about: https://twitter.com/CitizenFreePres/status/1625592660827447296?s=20

Since we're on the subject of studies, what you think of this one which showed no link between covid and myocarditis for unvaccinated patients?


Our data suggest that there is no increase in the incidence of myocarditis and pericarditis in COVID-19 recovered patients compared to uninfected matched controls. Further longer-term studies will be needed to estimate the incidence of pericarditis and myocarditis in patients diagnosed with COVID-19.

https://www.mdpi.com/2077-0383/11/8/2219/htm

[Axe]

Out of curiosity, is Cleverness still alive? He would be attracted to this type of thread.

[ArbitraryWater]

https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/nation/heart-attack-deaths-jumped-sharply-among-young-us-adults-in-2nd-year-of-covid-pandemic/



https://youtu.be/R7h9hX-rSag



Even though young people arent threatened by covid at all, its gotta be the covidz, maaan

[Overdrive]

Fair points.

Regarding long covid, if covid can cause long covid and the mRNA vaccines replicate part of the vaccine, why wouldn't it be logical that they can also cause long term effects? Like what this guy talks about: https://twitter.com/CitizenFreePres/status/1625592660827447296?s=20

Since we're on the subject of studies, what you think of this one which showed no link between covid and myocarditis for unvaccinated patients?



https://www.mdpi.com/2077-0383/11/8/2219/htm

From what I read there were isolated cases of long covid post vaccination, but they weren't sure how they were caused, because they didn't exactly know yet what causes long covid. Last thing I read the said it was some sort of infection to the brain, but I didn't a study or real paper on that yet.

Ad 2nd part. I have to give that a read first. Would be odd though if covid didn't produce myocarditis while the vaccine did. The vaccine basically let's the body produce the spike proteins of the virus by giving it incomplete information of the virus.

A reason could be that the vaccine was taylored after the more damaging wild type while most covid cases have been the milder variants. I'll come back after I had some time to read that.