If rudy gobert retired at the end of the season: Hall of famer?

[TAZORAC]

Remember how short of a career Yao Ming had and he is in the HALL OF FAME. If Gobert retired today should he make the HOF?

[L.Kizzle]

Remember how short of a career Yao Ming had and he is in the HALL OF FAME. If Gobert retired today should he make the HOF?
Their impacts on the game (on and off the court) were totally different. Gobery does not make the Hall if he retired today.

[nayte]

Yao made it for err certain market reasons

[ImKobe]

I think 4x All-NBA & 3x DPOY is enough to make the HOF. We make jokes about his lack of offensive game but his resume is pretty solid tbh.

[John8204]

Their impacts on the game (on and off the court) were totally different. Gobery does not make the Hall if he retired today.

Gobert has an Olympic Silver medal, Ming doesn't. Vlade Divac is in the Hall so...

[Kblaze8855]

He’s not respected enough to make it with so thin a resume. He’d be forgotten if he retired today and absolutely clowned by the public and many people in the hall of fame if the discussion were even had. He’s just not terribly respected by a lot of the types needed and doesn’t have much outside the nba to talk about. Go count Vlades gold medals if you think Rudy is comparable internationally. Vlade was voted top 50 all time internationally….before he made a name in the nba.

[post]

it's possible when you look at all the guys that are in

but i wouldn't bet on it at the moment

he's definitely overachieved in his career though

[Manny98]

:roll:

[Xiao Yao You]

Yao made it for err certain market reasons

Yao certainly didn't have the impact on games and I'm a big Tao fan

[Axe]

A guy that has yet to make a trip to the conference finals? I'll think about it first.

[SouBeachTalents]

I think 4x All-NBA & 3x DPOY is enough to make the HOF. We make jokes about his lack of offensive game but his resume is pretty solid tbh.
Yeah, the basketball HOF has very weak standards for who they vote in. When it's all said and done, Gobert's resume won't be that far off from someone like Mutombo who's in the HOF.

[Xiao Yao You]

Yeah, the basketball HOF has very weak standards for who they vote in. When it's all said and done, Gobert's resume won't be that far off from someone like Mutombo who's in the HOF.

the saddest day the trolls will ever have :lol

[TAZORAC]

Yeah, the basketball HOF has very weak standards for who they vote in. When it's all said and done, Gobert's resume won't be that far off from someone like Mutombo who's in the HOF.

I forgot Mutombo was in the HOF. Let Gobert in.

[BigShotBob]

No he'd never make it on the ballot

[j3lademaster]

Yeah, the basketball HOF has very weak standards for who they vote in. When it's all said and done, Gobert's resume won't be that far off from someone like Mutombo who's in the HOF.Mutombo is well respected in the community and beloved for his philanthropic endeavors. Whether this should or shouldn’t matter is another discussion, but in the world we live in it does.

[Vino24]

No. His Covid stunt eliminated the possibility

[Proctor]

:roll::roll::roll::roll:

[RRR3]

Good chance based on HOF voting patterns. A few more good years and he will make his case even better. Whether he deserves it or not depends on how you view him as a player.

[Xiao Yao You]

can't quit me

[L.Kizzle]

Good chance based on HOF voting patterns. A few more good years and he will make his case even better. Whether he deserves it or not depends on how you view him as a player.
I think he's peaked. Is he really better than prime Roy Hibbert?

[RRR3]

I think he's peaked. Is he really better than prime Roy Hibbert?
Yes lol. And he's also been good for longer. He has peaked, yes, but he's still good and will add more good years.

[Kblaze8855]

Mutombo was an 8 time all star and would be 9 had they not called off the 99 all star game. Of course he’s in the hall of fame. Rudy is a 3 time. The coaches didn’t make him an all star even when he was DPOY once. Hall of famers with 3 all star games or less? 5 made it because of their ABA careers, 1 due to to being nearly killed in a game and being paralyzed for life(Maurice Stokes), guys like Manu and Vlade who were top 50 internationally and so on. Jamaal Wilkes made it off college. Same for Calvin Murphy. Walton obviously for college and his brief run. Joe Fulks made it off his BAA days and being a pioneer of the jump shot. You have the first couple black nba players. Bill Bradley off being a 3 time college player of the year or whatever it was…and according to some because when he was a Senator the hall expected him to one day be president.

Its all guys with weird circumstances at that 3 all star level.

The only exception is Rodman who…won 5 titles.

Rudy wins the next 5 rings even without being an all star…he’d probably make it.

As it stands? That’s a hard bet to place.

[post]

and gobert has more all nba than mutombo which is superior to all star in case anyone forgot

this could go on forever

[Kblaze8855]

Deandre Jordan has more all nba teams than Alonzo Mourning and the same number as Mutombo while they combine for 15 all star teams. Think maybe they’re in the hall because the voters have common sense enough to see the difference between playing in the 90s and the 2010s as a center? Hakeem, Drob, Shaq, Ewing, Zo, and Mutombo? The last two played 10 years where you could be top 20 all time and struggle to be an all nba center unless someone got hurt.

It was more impressive to be an all star center in 1995 than an all nba one in an era with the likes of Deandre, Rudy, and Drummond making it. Hell Deandre was all nba first team. Silver mentioned months ago they would have to talk to the players union about going position less on all nba or just frontcourt backcourt like the all star game.

You wouldn’t see those kinds of players make it ever again. Jokic and Embiid are holding it down for the whole center culture. They’re the only reason the center position still needs an all nba spot.

[L.Kizzle]

Deandre Jordan has more all nba teams than Alonzo Mourning and the same number as Mutombo while they combine for 15 all star teams. Think maybe they’re in the hall because the voters have common sense enough to see the difference between playing in the 90s and the 2010s as a center? Hakeem, Drob, Shaq, Ewing, Zo, and Mutombo? The last two played 10 years where you could be top 20 all time and struggle to be an all nba center unless someone got hurt.

It was more impressive to be an all star center in 1995 than an all nba one in an era with the likes of Deandre, Rudy, and Drummond making it. Hell Deandre was all nba first team. Silver mentioned months ago they would have to talk to the players union about going position less on all nba or just frontcourt backcourt like the all star game.

You wouldn’t see those kinds of players make it ever again. Jokic and Embiid are holding it down for the whole center culture. They’re the only reason the center position still needs an all nba spot.
Facts, Rudy Gobert has more All-NBA Teams than the following centers:
Walt Bellamy
Zelmo Beaty
Nate Thurmond
Willis Reed
Wes Unseld
Bob Lanier
Dave Cowens
Bob McAdoo
Bill Walton
Jack Sikma
Robert Parish

Some of these guys are MVPs let alone top 50 players.

[Kblaze8855]

Deandre Jordan was all nba first team. Dave Cowens never was. Mvp, champion, and hall of fame? Yes. But not all nba first team. It used to be fairly tough to get on any all nba team as a center.

When you have Shaq, Hakeem, David, and Ewing in the league it’s hard to imagine getting even one.

[Xiao Yao You]

Deandre Jordan was all nba first team. Dave Cowens never was. Mvp, champion, and hall of fame? Yes. But not all nba first team. It used to be fairly tough to get on any all nba team as a center.

When you have Shaq, Hakeem, David, and Ewing in the league it’s hard to imagine getting even one.

it's still hard. 1 spot 28 guys are fighting for.

[L.Kizzle]

it's still hard. 1 spot 28 guys are fighting for.
He made it before Joker and Embiid came around. Hell, how did he get it over Kat? When was he drafted lol.

[Xiao Yao You]

He made it before Joker and Embiid came around. Hell, how did he get it over Kat? When was he drafted lol.

How did Kat and others make it over him? Gobert makes an impact at both ends. Towns puts up numbers

[L.Kizzle]

How did Kat and others make it over him? Gobert makes an impact at both ends. Towns puts up numbers
So, you taking Rudy over Kat if you had them both in front of you?

[Kblaze8855]

it's still hard. 1 spot 28 guys are fighting for.

Deandre Jordan might well have been the 5th best big on the late 90s pacers. He was all nba first team. It isn’t always a tall order. Sometimes it’s being marginally better than Clint Capela.

[post]

Deandre Jordan has more all nba teams than Alonzo Mourning and the same number as Mutombo while they combine for 15 all star teams. Think maybe they’re in the hall because the voters have common sense enough to see the difference between playing in the 90s and the 2010s as a center? Hakeem, Drob, Shaq, Ewing, Zo, and Mutombo? The last two played 10 years where you could be top 20 all time and struggle to be an all nba center unless someone got hurt.

It was more impressive to be an all star center in 1995 than an all nba one in an era with the likes of Deandre, Rudy, and Drummond making it. Hell Deandre was all nba first team. Silver mentioned months ago they would have to talk to the players union about going position less on all nba or just frontcourt backcourt like the all star game.

You wouldn’t see those kinds of players make it ever again. Jokic and Embiid are holding it down for the whole center culture. They’re the only reason the center position still needs an all nba spot.

like i said this could go on forever

the fact you mention jokic and embiid but not davis is enough evidence you are shooting blanks as usual

[AlternativeAcc.]

If Rudy retired I honestly don't think many people would notice. Wolves free up a ton of cap space and get way better once they sign a star who isn't an offensive liability. They become title contenders.

The NBA nerds would notice for like 2 weeks, then forget he ever existed.

Gobert has no impact on the court and even less off of it. He's a scrub role player. HOF? :roll: Get the fukk out of here.

[Kblaze8855]

like i said this could go on forever

the fact you mention jokic and embiid but not davis is enough evidence you are shooting blanks as usual

It is odd they put him as all nba center despite playing next to McGee who started every game at center last time he made it and him playing with Cousins the time before that. I guess they just wanted to pad it a bit. Not make it look so barren.

[Xiao Yao You]

So, you taking Rudy over Kat if you had them both in front of you?

without a doubt. I prefer winning games to the lottery. The Wolves might be feeling the same this summer. The only argument for Towns is he's younger

[Xiao Yao You]

If Rudy retired I honestly don't think many people would notice. Wolves free up a ton of cap space and get way better once they sign a star who isn't an offensive liability. They become title contenders.

The NBA nerds would notice for like 2 weeks, then forget he ever existed.

Gobert has no impact on the court and even less off of it. He's a scrub role player. HOF? :roll: Get the fukk out of here.

The Wolves have mostly sucked their whole existence. Gobert has been winning games most of his career. Who are they getting to make them much better let alone contenders? Why weren't they contenders before getting Gobert?

[Kblaze8855]

They were the same thing the Jazz were. Well over .500(46-36…3 games off the jazz) and irrelevant when it mattered going out in the first round.

It doesn’t much matter who you take between KAT and Rudy. You need a better player to make it matter.

Id probably take Rudy just off not liking KATs general softness for the record. But we’re both gonna lose.

[Xiao Yao You]

They were the same thing the Jazz were. Well over .500(46-36…3 games off the jazz) and irrelevant when it mattered going out in the first round.

It doesn’t much matter who you take between KAT and Rudy. You need a better player to make it matter.

Id probably take Rudy just off not liking KATs general softness for the record. But we’re both gonna lose.

yeah Towns finally won some games when he became 2nd fiddle. Gobert was winning with one of the worst rosters in basketball https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/UTA/2015.html. For some reason Towns didn't have the impact of Gobert maybe because he only plays one end of the court?

[Kblaze8855]

Did you link to what you intended? A 38 win team you called “winning with”?

Hes never won anything worth mentioning. He wins like Demar Derozan. Technically less but…still.

[Xiao Yao You]

Did you link to what you intended? A 38 win team you called “winning with”?

Hes never won anything worth mentioning. He wins like Demar Derozan. Technically less but…still.

6th best record after the all star break when he became the starter of a tanking team. Exum and Burke were two of the best players on that roster. No other Jazz player in history has done that not even the great Carlos Boozer. Funny that basketball reference agrees with me that Gobert is the 3rd best player in their history and Boozer isn't in their top 10 despite his amazing conference final run

doubt Towns has played on a team even close to as bad as that group

[Kblaze8855]

You have to loosen up before you limbo under the low ass bar you set for “winning” or can you just roll outta bed and do it?

6th best record after the asg….Jesus.

[Proctor]

You have to loosen up below you limbo under the low ass bar you set for “winning” or can you just roll outta bed and do it?

6th best record after the asg….Jesus.
:oldlol:

[Xiao Yao You]

You have to loosen up below you limbo under the low ass bar you set for “winning” or can you just roll outta bed and do it?

6th best record after the asg….Jesus.

One guy being the difference between being one of the worst teams in the league and one of the best is quite noteworthy to me. Only thing even close in Jazz history was the first season after Stockton and Malone when AK almost took that squad to the playoffs. Unfortunately the Jazz moved him to the 3 so the great Carlos Boozer could lead them to glory and he was never as good again unlike Gobert who's best was yet to come

[SouBeachTalents]

You have to loosen up below you limbo under the low ass bar you set for “winning” or can you just roll outta bed and do it?

6th best record after the asg….Jesus.
Bro, that's impressive as fck. Not many guys have been able to be just outside the top 5 for 2 months of the season. Statuesque achievement imo.

[Xiao Yao You]

Bro, that's impressive as fck. Not many guys have been able to be just outside the top 5 for 2 months of the season. Statuesque achievement imo.

and that was just the beginning. Unfortunately the Jazz as usual never did build a team around him and wasted almost a decade

[Jasper]

I think 4x All-NBA & 3x DPOY is enough to make the HOF. We make jokes about his lack of offensive game but his resume is pretty solid tbh.

would that pull down the value of a HOF title ??/
Jokic needs a ring to solidify it IMO

Gobert resume is to weak.

[Jasper]

He’s not respected enough to make it with so thin a resume. He’d be forgotten if he retired today and absolutely clowned by the public and many people in the hall of fame if the discussion were even had. He’s just not terribly respected by a lot of the types needed and doesn’t have much outside the nba to talk about. Go count Vlades gold medals if you think Rudy is comparable internationally. Vlade was voted top 50 all time internationally….before he made a name in the nba.

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[post]

It is odd they put him as all nba center despite playing next to McGee who started every game at center last time he made it and him playing with Cousins the time before that. I guess they just wanted to pad it a bit. Not make it look so barren.

nitpicking

and if it was so barren gobert wouldn't have lost to towns last year

he could've been 5 time all nba 4 time defensive player of the year

all before the age of 30

something else to be frightened about

[Xiao Yao You]

nitpicking

and if it was so barren gobert wouldn't have lost to towns last year

he could've been 5 time all nba 4 time defensive player of the year

all before the age of 30

something else to be frightened about

he should certainly have more of both and should have made two more all star teams as well

[AussieSteve]

Remember how short of a career Yao Ming had and he is in the HALL OF FAME. If Gobert retired today should he make the HOF?

If Ben Wallace isn't in the Hall, no way Gobert should get in.

[L.Kizzle]

If Ben Wallace isn't in the Hall, no way Gobert should get in.
Ben is in. But as the title states, if retires at seasons end he has no shot. A guy more respected, Sidney Moncrief just got in a few seasons ago.
I'm trying to think of a similar player that's in, or that's not in. I can think of various similar guys not in. Take Jerry Sloan (player version.)
A better question would be is DeMarcus Cousins a HoF'er?

[Xiao Yao You]

Ben is in. But as the title states, if retires at seasons end he has no shot. A guy more respected, Sidney Moncrief just got in a few seasons ago.
I'm trying to think of a similar player that's in, or that's not in. I can think of various similar guys not in. Take Jerry Sloan (player version.)
A better question would be is DeMarcus Cousins a HoF'er?

Cousins? :roll: