Kevin McHale voted All-NBA once in his career.

[L.Kizzle]

Kevin McHale played a total of 13 seasons. He was however only voted All-NBA once in his illustrious career. Why was the best PF of the 1980's only voted All-NBA once?

He was considered one of the four best forwards once, in 1987. Even when they added a 3rd team, he failed to make that. Bernard King was out of the league a few seasons, came back and made All-NBA.

Here is a list of All-NBA forwards during McHale's time played in the league.

1981
1st: Bird, Doc
2nd: AD, Marques Johnson

1982
1st: Bird, Doc
2nd: English, King

1983
1st: Bird, Doc
2nd: English, Buck Williams

1984
1st: Bird, King
2nd: Doc, AD

1985
1st: Bird, King
2nd: Sampson, Terry Cummings

1986
1st: Bird, Nique
2nd: Barkley, English

1987
1st: Bird, McHale
2nd: Barkley, Nique

1988
1st: Bird, Barkley
2nd: Nique, Malone

1989
1st: Barkley, Malone
2nd: Mullin, Chambers
3rd: Nique, Terry Cummings

1990
1st: Barkley, Malone
2nd: Bird, Chambers
3rd: Mullin, Worthy

1991
1st: Barkley, Malone
2nd: Mullin, Nique
3rd: King, Worthy

1992
1st: Malone, Mullin
2nd: Barkley, Pippen
3rd: Rodman, Kevin Willis

1993
1st: Barkley, Malone
2nd: Nique, Larry Johnson
3rd: Pippen, Derrick Coleman

Most seasons All-NBA Forward 1981-1993
9 Larry Bird
8 Charles Barkley
6 Karl Malone
Dominique Wilkins
4 Julius Erving
Bernard King
Chris Mullin
3 Alex English
2 Scottie Pippen
Adrian Dantley
James Worthy
Tom Chambers
Terry Cummings
1 Kevin McHale and six others

[Xiao Yao You]

Kevin McHale played a total of 13 seasons. He was however only voted All-NBA once in his illustrious career. Why was the best PF of the 1980's only voted All-NBA once?

He was considered one of the four best forwards once, in 1987. Even when they added a 3rd team, he failed to make that. Bernard King was out of the league a few seasons, came back and made All-NBA.

Here is a list of All-NBA forwards during McHale's time played in the league.

1981
1st: Bird, Doc
2nd: AD, Marques Johnson

1982
1st: Bird, Doc
2nd: English, King

1983
1st: Bird, Doc
2nd: English, Buck Williams

1984
1st: Bird, King
2nd: Doc, AD

1985
1st: Bird, King
2nd: Sampson, Terry Cummings

1986
1st: Bird, Nique
2nd: Barkley, English

1987
1st: Bird, McHale
2nd: Barkley, Nique

1988
1st: Bird, Barkley
2nd: Nique, Malone

1989
1st: Barkley, Malone
2nd: Mullin, Chambers
3rd: Nique, Terry Cummings

1990
1st: Barkley, Malone
2nd: Bird, Chambers
3rd: Mullin, Worthy

1991
1st: Barkley, Malone
2nd: Mullin, Nique
3rd: King, Worthy

1992
1st: Malone, Mullin
2nd: Barkley, Pippen
3rd: Rodman, Kevin Willis

1993
1st: Barkley, Malone
2nd: Nique, Larry Johnson
3rd: Pippen, Derrick Coleman

Most seasons All-NBA Forward 1981-1993
9 Larry Bird
8 Charles Barkley
6 Karl Malone
Dominique Wilkins
4 Julius Erving
Bernard King
Chris Mullin
3 Alex English
2 Scottie Pippen
Adrian Dantley
James Worthy
Tom Chambers
Terry Cummings
1 Kevin McHale and six others

He's better than all but maybe 4 guys on the list. Certainly better than English and Pippen

[L.Kizzle]

He's better than all but maybe 4 guys on the list. Certainly better than English and Pippen
Where's his accolades to back up his play?
English was the top scorer for the entire decade of the 1980s.

[1987_Lakers]

I've never seen anyone hate on McHale like OP.

[L.Kizzle]

I've never seen anyone hate on McHale like OP.
I don't hate McHale,he was our coach here in Houston

[1987_Lakers]

I don't hate McHale,he was our coach here in Houston

He was also a better player than former Houston player Hayes.

[L.Kizzle]

He was also a better player than former Houston player Hayes.
Nice.
Kevin may be the 5th best Kevin to play in the league behind Garnett, Durant, Love and Johnson. Would definitely be neck and neck with Kevin Martin but McHale gets the slight edge for his lone All-NBA selection.

[Xiao Yao You]

Where's his accolades to back up his play?
English was the top scorer for the entire decade of the 1980s.

McHale played on one of the best teams ever. One of the best low post scorers ever. Great defensive player. Two way star beats strictly scorer any day for me

[Xiao Yao You]

Nice.
Kevin may be the 5th best Kevin to play in the league behind Garnett, Durant, Love and Johnson. Would definitely be neck and neck with Kevin Martin but McHale gets the slight edge for his lone All-NBA selection.

KG and Durant sure. Love and KJ? :roll:

[Axe]

Lmao mchale getting recognition in the first page.

[Im Still Ballin]

What if James Harden remained in OKC and they won several championships? He would've never won an MVP. His individual accolades would be less. Would you still have appreciated him? He would've been the same talent. Had the same ability. Just a different role.

Accolades and stats are nice, but they're not as important as the skillset. Watch the tape. McHale was an incredibly obvious HOF talent.

[L.Kizzle]

What if James Harden remained in OKC and they won several championships? He would've never won an MVP. His individual accolades would be less. Would you still have appreciated him? He would've been the same talent. Had the same ability. Just a different role.

Accolades and stats are nice, but they're not as important as the skillset. Watch the tape. McHale was an incredibly obvious HOF talent.
I've seen arguments made specifically on accolades. They usually matter when comparing players. They're oddly thrown out when Kevin McHale comes up

[Xiao Yao You]

I've seen arguments made specifically on accolades. They usually matter when comparing players. They're oddly thrown out when Kevin McHale comes up

English apparently has the accolades and he's rarely mentioned because Denver wasn't a great team and he was one of many high scoring 3's in his day on the highest scoring team in the league. Who do you compare McHale to? Not many 4/5's played both ends of the court with one of the best low post games on one of the best teams

[L.Kizzle]

English apparently has the accolades and he's rarely mentioned because Denver wasn't a great team and he was one of many high scoring 3's in his day on the highest scoring team in the league. Who do you compare McHale to? Not many 4/5's played both ends of the court with one of the best low post games on one of the best teams
My whole point is why wasn't he rewarded for his play? If he's a great player (not saying he wasn't) than where are his accolades at the end of the seasons. Has he gotten overrated over the years, I would assume so. Because if he was so great in the 80s (once again, not saying he wasn't) why is Terry Cummings and Tom Chambers being awarded over him. That's all I'm asking.

[Xiao Yao You]

My whole point is why wasn't he rewarded for his play? If he's a great player (not saying he wasn't) than where are his accolades at the end of the seasons. Has he gotten overrated over the years, I would assume so. Because if he was so great in the 80s (once again, not saying he wasn't) why is Terry Cummings and Tom Chambers being awarded over him. That's all I'm asking.

I'd say it's more on the voters and him being underrated. I always thought Chambers, Wilkens, Worthy and Pippen were highly overrated. I'd certainly take McHale over all of them

[L.Kizzle]

I'd say it's more on the voters and him being underrated. I always thought Chambers, Wilkens, Worthy and Pippen were highly overrated. I'd certainly take McHale over all of them
Why were they voted over him, year in and year out? Didn't happen just once or twice but every year but once.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Nice.
Kevin may be the 5th best Kevin to play in the league behind Garnett, Durant, Love and Johnson. Would definitely be neck and neck with Kevin Martin but McHale gets the slight edge for his lone All-NBA selection.
He's better than Kevin love. Come on now.

[Shaquille O'Neal]

Speaking of McHale...


https://www.youtube.com/shorts/CsFcfEQj3gU

[iamgine]

Well he's been overrated to the point where some would take him over Barkley or Karl Malone.

Comparing Mchale to Barkley/Malone would be like comparing Porzingis to Giannis.

[Xiao Yao You]

Well he's been overrated to the point where some would take him over Barkley or Karl Malone.

Comparing Mchale to Barkley/Malone would be like comparing Porzingis to Giannis.

Not really. Barkley wasn't known for D. Are the Celtics better with Barkley and no McHale defensively?

[iamgine]

Not really. Barkley wasn't known for D. Are the Celtics better with Barkley and no McHale defensively?

???

[97 bulls]

I've always felt McHale was overrated. Perhaps his role was diminished playing behind Bird. In all fairness, we never got to see how well he'd do leading a team other than the one year Bird was out. Worthy as well.

[SouBeachTalents]

Well he's been overrated to the point where some would take him over Barkley or Karl Malone.

Comparing Mchale to Barkley/Malone would be like comparing Porzingis to Giannis.
McHale was MUCH better than Porzingis. Terrible comparison :lol

[iamgine]

McHale was MUCH better than Porzingis. Terrible comparison :lol

Maybe for a couple season. But the rest of his career he's really not better than healthy Porzingis.

[Xiao Yao You]

Maybe for a couple season. But the rest of his career he's really not better than healthy Porzingis.

I'd take McHale over Porzingas anytime

[iamgine]

I'd take McHale over Porzingas anytime

ok

[Im Still Ballin]

Nobody is making the argument that McHale is higher up on the all-time rankings. You guys are fighting an imaginary battle there.

What several smart posters have said is that they'd rather have peak McHale over other great PFs at their peak. That they'd take the best version of Kevin to start a team. That's certainly not slanderous, given McHale was a machine at his best.

I could post stats:

1986 Playoffs (18 games):

- 24.9 ppg, 8.6 rpg, 2.7 apg, 0.4 spg, 2.4 bpg
- 57.9% FG, 79.4% FT, 63.6% TS

1986-87 Regular Season (77 games):

- 26.1 ppg, 9.9 rpg, 2.6 apg, 0.5 spg, 2.2 bpg
- 60.4% FG, 83.6% FT, 65.5% TS

I could show highlights:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNFGVN4XxKQ


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuwxAyslrqM


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWIWjCRY0qI

But really you should just watch the games. Peak McHale was arguably the most dominant paint scorer and best defender in the league at the same time. That's something that can't be said for Barkley, Malone, Dirk, Duncan, and Garnett. Only Giannis and Davis could make an argument.



1986-87 Regular Season:
- 4th in MVP behind Bird, MJ, and Magic (254 votes to Bird's 271 votes)
- Lead the league in FG%
- Coaches voted him the best defensive player in the NBA
- Only player in NBA history to do 20+ ppg, 60%+ FG, 80%+ FT




1986 Playoffs:
- Shut down Wooldridge, Wilkins, Cummings, and Sampson
- Led the team in scoring in the Finals and 1st round
- Best defender on one of the best teams ever
- Most efficient scorer
- Most dominant paint scorer

[Im Still Ballin]

I've always felt McHale was overrated. Perhaps his role was diminished playing behind Bird. In all fairness, we never got to see how well he'd do leading a team other than the one year Bird was out. Worthy as well.

McHale was 31 and never the same after wrecking his foot. Prime McHale was '85 to '87. We have a small sample size of games that gives us an indication of what prime McHale could do without Bird:



Kevin McHale played 10 games without Larry Bird between 1985 and 1987

1984-1985 (2 games)

27.0 ppg, 11.5 rpg, 1.0 apg, 0.5 spg, 1.0 bpg on 64.5% FG (10/15.5) and 77.8% FT (7.0/9.0) [69.37% TS]

1986-1987 (8 games)

28.0 ppg, 8.5 rpg, 3.0 apg, 0.5 spg, 3.4 bpg, on 59% FG (10.6/18) and 88.5% FT (6.8/7.6) [65.59% TS]

Combined that is: (10 games)

27.8 ppg, 9.1 rpg, 2.6 apg, 0.5 spg, 2.9 pg on 60% FG (10.5/17.5) and 88% FT (6.8/7.8) [66.41% TS]


We also have a handful of games where Prime Karl Malone played without Stockton:



Malone’s play was only marginally synergistic with Stockton. There were small stretches that supported what’s visible on tape: Without Stockton, Malone played 18 games to start the ’98 season, averaging 27.3 points per 75 on +5.8 percent rTS.

He also played four games in 1990 without Stockton, averaging 26.3 points per game at +9.9 rTS, and, in a 1992 playoff game against Portland, Stockton left the game early and Malone marched to 38 points on 58 percent efficiency.


Ditto for James Worthy:



'89-'91: 10 games

26.2 ppg, 6.4 rpg, 4.0 apg, 2.6 spg, 0.5 bpg on 56.9% FG, 81.8% FT [60.55% TS]

James Worthy averaged 26.2 points, 6.4 rebounds and 4.0 assists in 10 games without Magic Johnson between the 1988-89 and 1990-91 seasons.

'87-'91: 22 games

James Worthy averaged 22.7 points, 5.5 rebounds and 4.3 assists in 22 games without Magic Johnson between the 1986-87 and 1990-91 seasons.

54.2% FG
79.3% FT
58.51% TS
'86-'91: 32 games

James Worthy averaged 21.9 points, 5.6 rebounds and 4.3 assists in 32 games without Magic Johnson between the 1985-86 and 1990-91 seasons.

55.2% FG
80.6% FT
59.21% TS
'84-'91: 51 games

James Worthy averaged 20.1 points, 5.7 rebounds and 3.7 assists in 51 games without Magic Johnson between the 1983-84 and 1990-91 seasons.

56.3% FG
77.0% FT
59.92% TS


This whole "he made him" argument is stupid. It's stupid for McHale, it's stupid for Worthy, it's stupid for Pippen, it's stupid for Malone.

[L.Kizzle]

Nobody is making the argument that McHale is higher up on the all-time rankings. You guys are fighting an imaginary battle there.

What several smart posters have said is that they'd rather have peak McHale over other great PFs at their peak. That they'd take the best version of Kevin to start a team. That's certainly not slanderous, given McHale was a machine at his best.

I could post stats:

1986 Playoffs (18 games):

- 24.9 ppg, 8.6 rpg, 2.7 apg, 0.4 spg, 2.4 bpg
- 57.9% FG, 79.4% FT, 63.6% TS

1986-87 Regular Season (77 games):

- 26.1 ppg, 9.9 rpg, 2.6 apg, 0.5 spg, 2.2 bpg
- 60.4% FG, 83.6% FT, 65.5% TS

I could show highlights:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNFGVN4XxKQ


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuwxAyslrqM


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWIWjCRY0qI

But really you should just watch the games. Peak McHale was arguably the most dominant paint scorer and best defender in the league at the same time. That's something that can't be said for Barkley, Malone, Dirk, Duncan, and Garnett. Only Giannis and Davis could make an argument.
When I talk about Kevin, I never once said he was a bad player. What I want to know is why was Bernard King getting more All-NBA votes than him?

[Im Still Ballin]

When I talk about Kevin, I never once said he was a bad player. What I want to know is why was Bernard King getting more All-NBA votes than him?

Because he played on mediocre playoff teams where he was undisputedly the best player? McHale was on one of the greatest teams ever and came off the bench because he played the same position as Larry. Of course Kevin's going to be underappreciated playing on a team like that and with one of the greatest players ever.

Not to mention Bernard played for the New York Knicks: the biggest team in the league. The NBA media was very biased back then. There was no NBA TV, League Pass, or internet back then that allowed you to watch every team. Games were more restricted to local markets. The big markets were favored while teams like Utah with Dantley were ignored.

Hell, Charles Barkley got screwed out of an MVP in 1990 by the media. A bunch of West Coast-based voters left Chuck off their ballots completely because they wanted Magic to win. I think it's the only time a guy with more first-place votes didn't win the MVP.

[Axe]

I'd take McHale over Porzingas anytime
I'll take mchale over he-who-must-not-be-named too. :kobe:

[Im Still Ballin]

And coming off the bench isn't an indictment on McHale's talent and ability. Prime Larry came off the bench for 20+ games one season and Boston went on their biggest winning streak ever.

McHale was more than good enough to be the '81 ROY and put up an efficient 20+ ppg. He was that good off the jump. He just happened to play on an incredibly stacked team and the same position as Larry Bird. He also played for Bill Fitch, who loved playing deep rotations.

[Xiao Yao You]

And coming off the bench isn't an indictment on McHale's talent and ability. Prime Larry came off the bench for 20+ games one season and Boston went on their biggest winning streak ever.

McHale was more than good enough to be the '81 ROY and put up an efficient 20+ ppg. He was that good off the jump. He just happened to play on an incredibly stacked team and the same position as Larry Bird. He also played for Bill Fitch, who loved playing deep rotations.

the Celtics invented the 6th man. McHale was the latest great to take that role for them. It wasn't considered a bad thing.

[dankok8]

Seems a travesty honestly although McHale didn't get more selections partly due to lack of durability. He missed a lot of games at times. Back then guys who played under 70 games tended to be left out of accolades.

[97 bulls]

McHale was 31 and never the same after wrecking his foot. Prime McHale was '85 to '87. We have a small sample size of games that gives us an indication of what prime McHale could do without Bird:



We also have a handful of games where Prime Karl Malone played without Stockton:



Ditto for James Worthy:



This whole "he made him" argument is stupid. It's stupid for McHale, it's stupid for Worthy, it's stupid for Pippen, it's stupid for Malone.

I'm not referring to stats so much as I'm referring to wins. The Celtics were a .500 team with McHale leading them in 89. And 89 was one of Mchales best year statistically.

[Im Still Ballin]

I'm not referring to stats so much as I'm referring to wins. The Celtics were a .500 team with McHale leading them in 89. And 89 was one of Mchales best year statistically.

We've already talked about this before. You keep repeating something that isn't true.

McHale didn't "lead" the team; Reggie Lewis had the highest usage rate on that team. Kevin's usage rate was marginally different compared to what it had always been. It was Reggie Lewis and Robert Parish who covered most of Larry's usage.

And also, the '89 Celtics were a 45-win team when healthy. Injuries matter and they should be factored into the discussion. When Larry was added back into the mix the next season they won 52 games. Boston had a new rookie coach and was old and breaking down. McHale wasn't the same guy and neither was DJ.

Did Michael Jordan fail when he put up 37 points per game and led the Bulls to a 40-42 record? Did LeBron fail when he put up 27/7/7 and missed the playoffs in 2005? What about in 2008 when he put up 30 points per game and led Cleveland to 45 wins? What about last year? Even prime Kareem missed the playoffs in '75 and '76.

The three greatest players ever. All with mediocre team results in their prime.

You have a poor understanding of basketball. There are so many different factors that determine whether or not a team wins games. Boiling it down to who was the "alpha" is reductive.



1. The team had a new coach in '88-'89

K.C. Jones retired. This is a huge issue.

2. McHale's minutes were decreased in '88-'89

McHale's minutes per game was decreased from 37.3 MPG in '87-'88 to 36.9 MPG in '88'-'89.

3. McHale's usage rate was in line with what he had always done

Kevin's usage rate was pretty much the same as it had always been. It increased from '87-'88 to '88-'89, but it also increased in '90-'91 when Bird returned. However, started playing fewer minutes and coming off the bench for Larry's sake.

None of this is indicative of someone who's becoming "the alpha" of the team. He's essentially playing the same role he was before. Given he was falling apart physically and already 31, it's not surprising.

4. When healthy, the '88-'89 Celtics were a 45-win pace

Considering an aging, injury-riddled squad with a new coach, 45 wins isn't too shabby.

5. McHale's foot was degenerating

This is the biggest reason for McHale's decline in performance. Despite nerve damage and scar tissue which ails him to this day, McHale still put up 22.5 PPG on 60.8% TS. A respectable result; it shouldn't be used against him to diminish the player he was.

6. Reggie Lewis had the highest usage rate on the '88-'89 team

Title. If anything, Reggie Lewis and Parish took on the offensive burden of Bird not being there.

7. When Bird returned, McHale's efficiency largely remained the same

If all of McHale's 5% drop in FG percentage was because of Bird, why didn't it go back up all the way when he returned?

Answer: Because not all of it was due to Bird not playing.

A large part of that decline in efficiency was simply due to the man getting older and slowing down due to a degenerating foot.

8. They only won 52 games in '89-'90

Another year under a new coach, plus reintroducing Bird improved this team. As would any team when one of its best players returns. But, they didn't go back to that K.C. Jones level of performance.

Why?

Because they were old, broken down, and were no longer the same team. Bird and McHale were no longer who they had used to be; Danny was long gone, and DJ was on his last legs. It was only Parish who was still playing well to his career standards.

[L.Kizzle]

We've already talked about this before. You keep repeating something that isn't true.

McHale didn't "lead" the team; Reggie Lewis had the highest usage rate on that team. Kevin's usage rate was marginally different compared to what it had always been. It was Reggie Lewis and Robert Parish who covered most of Larry's usage.

And also, the '89 Celtics were a 45-win team when healthy. Injuries matter and they should be factored into the discussion. When Larry was added back into the mix the next season they won 52 games. Boston had a new rookie coach and was old and breaking down. McHale wasn't the same guy and neither was DJ.

Did Michael Jordan fail when he put up 37 points per game and led the Bulls to a 40-42 record? Did LeBron fail when he put up 27/7/7 and missed the playoffs in 2005? What about in 2008 when he put up 30 points per game and led Cleveland to 45 wins? What about last year? Even prime Kareem missed the playoffs in '75 and '76.

The three greatest players ever. All with mediocre team results in their prime.

You have a poor understanding of basketball. There are so many different factors that determine whether or not a team wins games. Boiling it down to who was the "alpha" is reductive.
Why was the team given to 2nd year player Reggie Lewis and not veteran all time great Kevin McHale? Seems simple as he should have been the next man in line after Bird.

[97 bulls]

Why was the team given to 2nd year player Reggie Lewis and not veteran all time great Kevin McHale? Seems simple as he should have been the next man in line after Bird.

Exactly.

And let's be real. McHale was not old. He put up basically the same stats.

Making these weak arguments like he played less minutes per game (1 minute) and he was old at 31, are laughable.

And for the record, I'm not saying McHale isn't a great player. But I do feel hes overrated. Perhaps he could've been regarded higher had he played outside of Birds shadow. I understand it's only one year, but considering that he's that highly regarded, I'd think that he wouldn't have had to take a backseat to Reggie Lewis.

[L.Kizzle]

Exactly.

And let's be real. McHale was not old. He put up basically the same stats.

Making these weak arguments like he played less minutes per game (1 minute) and he was old at 31, are laughable.

And for the record, I'm not saying McHale isn't a great player. But I do feel hes overrated. Perhaps he could've been regarded higher had he played outside of Birds shadow. I understand it's only one year, but considering that he's that highly regarded, I'd think that he wouldn't have had to take a backseat to Reggie Lewis.
I've never diminished McHale's game or as an all time great. I just simply ask if he's was so high regarded, where are his accolades. Why was Tom Chambers or Terry Cummings being voted All-NBA over him? Why did he only start in 400 games when he played close to 1000?

[97 bulls]

I've never diminished McHale's game or as an all time great. I just simply ask if he's was so high regarded, where are his accolades. Why was Tom Chambers or Terry Cummings being voted All-NBA over him? Why did he only start in 400 games when he played close to 1000?

I'd like to get your opinion on the questions you asked.

In my opinion, he never had a fair chance to showcase his ability to lead a team. One year isn't a fair assessment to be honest. But i do feel McHale gets a little too much grace for stuff he never did

[L.Kizzle]

I'd like to get your opinion on the questions you asked.

In my opinion, he never had a fair chance to showcase his ability to lead a team. One year isn't a fair assessment to be honest. But i do feel McHale gets a little too much grace for stuff he never did
What does leading a team have to do with making All-NBA? Sure McHale could have taken James Worthy's spot or Chris Mullin spot.

[97 bulls]

What does leading a team have to do with making All-NBA? Sure McHale could have taken James Worthy's spot or Chris Mullin spot.

I didn't ask you if you felt he could lead a team. I asked you to give your own opinion as to the questions you're asking. For instance, why do you believe he didn't win more All-NBAs? Why do you think he started only 40% of the games he played in? For a player many feel to be a top 10 PF alltime.

I think it's because he wasn't the leader of his team outside of that one year. Therefore, he kinda got lost playing on such a great team like the Celtics. And the one year he did take the proverbial helm, the team struggled to stay at .500

[Im Still Ballin]

LOL, you guys still going?

:roll:

[L.Kizzle]

LOL, you guys still going?

:roll:
When you gonna make another post about McHale having a double-double in 1988, lol.
Hey, Kev is cool with me tho.

[Im Still Ballin]

When you gonna make another post about McHale having a double-double in 1988, lol.
Hey, Kev is cool with me tho.

Wicked talent. Two-way beast. Foundational offensive game.