Klay Thompson 16 games without Steph: 26.7 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 2.6 apg on 59.33% TS

[Im Still Ballin]

Has Klay proved himself worthy without Steph? I've been impressed by his ability to scale up his game. This is not a particularly talented roster. Klay could probably lead this team to the playoffs if Curry's salary was replaced with a better bench and a decent point guard.

Give Klay Tyus Jones, Mason Plumlee, Eric Gordon, and a healthy GP2. He leads that squad to the playoffs.



- 26.7 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 2.6 apg, only 1.8 topg
- 42.7% 3PT, 90% FT, 59.33% TS
- 8-8 record
- +1.6 net rating




Klay Thompson has averaged 26.7 points, 4.3 rebounds and 2.6 assists in 16 games without Stephen Curry this season.

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/klay-thompson-stats-without-steph-curry-2023


Some of his performances this year without Steph:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2XiGgdzVl4&ab_channel=NBAonESPN


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gDrzf7OdHg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdASjnBzTwI

He also played 9 games without Steph last season.



Klay Thompson averaged 26.3 points, 3.8 rebounds and 2.6 assists in 9 games without Stephen Curry in 2021-22.

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/klay-thompson-stats-without-steph-curry-2022




- 26.3 ppg, 3.8 rpg, 2.6 apg, only 1.4 topg
- 43.9% 3PT, 88.9% FT, 58.34% TS
- 3-6 record
- -0.3 net rating


Added all up, that's 25 games without Steph:



Klay Thompson has averaged 26.6 points, 4.1 rebounds and 2.6 assists in 25 games without Stephen Curry since 2021-22.

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask?q=klay+thompson+stats+without+steph+curry+2021-22+to+2022-23




- 26.6 ppg, 4.1 rpg, 2.6 apg, only 1.7 topg
- 43.1% 3PT, 89.8% FT, 58.90% TS
- 11-14 record
- +0.9 net rating

[pandiani17]

I would like to see Klay as a franchise player in his own team, to see what kind of numbers he would put up and how far he would get the team in the playoffs.

[Axe]

No chef, no problem.

[NBAGOAT]

no warriors other guys all regressed this year(wiggins, dray, poole etc), the roster isnt very impressive outside steph as you said. Ofc if this was 15 or 16 warriors they would make it and they have a chance last year. Just to use an estimate for last year using one impact metric, steph had 15 expected wins over replacement by epm. an average player might get you 5 wins playing his minutes(monte morris played 30mpg last year as a starter and ham an epm of 0.4 right around average produced 5 wins) and a better bench gives you a few wins(usually doesnt move the needle that much). warriors would be like 45-37 instead of 53-29.

even with steph's missed time this year, an average healthy starter and a better bench is easily behind the lakers record wise the lakers are 12th still

[SouBeachTalents]

I would like to see Klay as a franchise player in his own team, to see what kind of numbers he would put up and how far he would get the team in the playoffs.
Klay's not a franchise player, but he's legitimately one of the portable stars of all time. Put him on ANY team setup and he can be a contributor.

[Phoenix]

Klay was called washed a few months ago, but field goal % aside his numbers are right on par with his all-star seasons. His injuries robbed him of his all-defense level lateral movement, but offensively he's rounding into form.

[tontoz]

Klay didn't play ball at all in the off-season so he wasn't in game shape early in the season. If he gets back to his old self that will be a big help come playoff time.

The young guys have been pretty disappointing though.

[Axe]

Klay didn't play ball at all in the off-season so he wasn't in game shape early in the season. If he gets back to his old self that will be a big help come playoff time.

The young guys have been pretty disappointing though.
He's getting old tho, uncle.

[tontoz]

He's getting old tho, uncle.



Klay is 33 dingus. Age shouldn't be a problem for him yet. His big problem was recovering from two horrible injuries. Looks like the recovery has progressed a lot.

[Axe]

Klay is 33 dingus. Age shouldn't be a problem for him yet. His big problem was recovering from two horrible injuries. Looks like the recovery has progressed a lot.
:oldlol:

Why did your stance on him changed now that he seems to be doing well while chef isn't playing? You were not like this towards him before when he was playing like crap.

[tontoz]

:oldlol:

Why did your stance on him changed now that he seems to be doing well while chef isn't playing? You were not like this towards him before when he was playing like crap.

Yeah, because he was playing like crap. I treat guys better when they play well than when the play like crap.

He was crap in the regular season last year but I gave him a pass because he was just coming off an injury. He had the whole summer to get ready for this season but came into the season out of shape.

[Axe]

Yeah, because he was playing like crap. I treat guys better when they play well than when the play like crap.

He was crap in the regular season last year but I gave him a pass because he was just coming off an injury. He had the whole summer to get ready for this season but came into the season out of shape.
And when he came back last season to play again, the warriors made the playoffs and even won the finals last year. Such impact. :bowdown:

[Kblaze8855]

Klay's not a franchise player, but he's legitimately one of the portable stars of all time. Put him on ANY team setup and he can be a contributor.

He’s what a team would have considered one until we got to the days 22 points weren’t considered much. Klay would probably be the best player on most teams in NBA history, but it would take too much legwork to figure out.

Guess it comes down to the usual “Is he the best player on a champion?” discussion which to me is usually stupid because most all time greats aren’t but were clearly franchise players.

I suppose it comes down to if franchise player means…the level of player who usually leads a franchise…or the level you would ideally want to do it. If it’s the second…what are there like 6-7 at a time? But 30 franchises?

Id say most teams in history that had a Klay would be looking for people to surround him with not looking for someone to make him a sidekick. Acquiring a player who firmly puts Klay in the backseat isn’t usually feasible. How many teams right now have anyone that good? To make prime Klay a firm number 2?

Im sure the number will seem bigger than usual with us having 6-7 31+ ppg players and all manner of scoring madness but a normal season? A normal nba as established for most of our lives?

You don’t get many at once.

[tontoz]

And when he came back last season to play again, the warriors made the playoffs and even won the finals last year. Such impact. :bowdown:


Their record was better before he came back. They were 29-9 last season before Klay played his first game.

[tontoz]

Klay is what I would call a weak first option, but an ideal second option. He can play D and be productive on offense off the ball which makes it easy to pair him with a top tier star.

[Axe]

Their record was better before he came back. They were 29-9 last season before Klay played his first game.
And in the end, they still made the playoffs. Unlike the preceding season where his team ended up getting beaten to a pulp without him, in the play-in tourney aka losers bracket twice. :oldlol:

[tontoz]

And in the end, they still made the playoffs. Unlike the preceding season where his team ended up getting beaten to a pulp without him, in the play-in tourney aka losers bracket twice. :oldlol:


Not this nonsense again :facepalm

Do you really think they would have missed the playoffs last season if Klay hadn't come back?

https://hosting.photobucket.com/albums/g195/tontoz/.highres/smack-1.gif

[Axe]

Never implied such thing, uncle. They would make it but it's likely they wouldn't have gone deep last year if he wasn't back to playing yet. :confusedshrug:

[RRR3]

Never implied such thing, uncle. They would make it but it's likely they wouldn't have gone deep last year if he wasn't back to playing yet. :confusedshrug:
Wow teams need good players to win a championship, brilliant insight.

[Axe]

Steaming.

[warriorfan]

He’s what a team would have considered one until we got to the days 22 points weren’t considered much. Klay would probably be the best player on most teams in NBA history, but it would take too much legwork to figure out.

Guess it comes down to the usual “Is he the best player on a champion?” discussion which to me is usually stupid because most all time greats aren’t but were clearly franchise players.

I suppose it comes down to if franchise player means…the level of player who usually leads a franchise…or the level you would ideally want to do it. If it’s the second…what are there like 6-7 at a time? But 30 franchises?

Id say most teams in history that had a Klay would be looking for people to surround him with not looking for someone to make him a sidekick. Acquiring a player who firmly puts Klay in the backseat isn’t usually feasible. How many teams right now have anyone that good? To make prime Klay a firm number 2?

Im sure the number will seem bigger than usual with us having 6-7 31+ ppg players and all manner of scoring madness but a normal season? A normal nba as established for most of our lives?

You don’t get many at once.

best on most teams in history?? if klay got drafted by a shitty timberwolf team you would be singing a different tune

[Kblaze8855]

He was drafted by a shitty warriors team. They won 23 games to Minnesota’s 26 that year with love doing 26/13. They needed a 2 at the time. He’d probably have been a star there as well. Draymond is the one who traditionally doesn’t become a star. Klay is a goat tier shooter and D team guy. Who can you think of who can shoot and defend like prime Klay and wasnt a star?

Bit of a trick question I admit because almost nobody who can shoot like Klay has even been a really good defender.

He was a rare two way player and history is full of teams best players being inefficient 19ppg guys who sucked on defense. There is a real disconnect between what people did and what we assume due to our minds filtering out the nobodies.

Teams go 60 years and have 5-8 seasons of 26ppg. It’s mostly 19-22 a game best players who mostly weren’t good defenders. Their names just don’t ring out in history. Teams go 10-15 even 20 years with nobody firmly better than Klay.

The question would come down to how much you wanna respect a lot of names that didn’t actually do that much and people you never heard of at all. Be a whole lot of Otis Birdsong, Super John Williamson, and so on in that conversation. Lot of legwork like I said but it’s not impossible.

He is roughly the level of player expected to be the best player on his team throughout history.

[AlternativeAcc.]

Best SG of all time.

Every all-time team should have Klay at the 2 spot. (And most do)

Most under appreciated player of all time. Klay is the one most responsible for the Warriors success before Durant and after. He's the heart and Dray is the soul.

[Keno]

he did it again wtf, too clean

[Meticode]

Best SG of all time.

Every all-time team should have Klay at the 2 spot. (And most do)

Most under appreciated player of all time. Klay is the one most responsible for the Warriors success before Durant and after. He's the heart and Dray is the soul.

Kobe? Jordan?

[Im Still Ballin]

he did it again wtf, too clean

Damn!

32 points, 5 rebounds, 4 assists, 12-23 FG, 6-14 3PT, 2-2 FT.

And the W!

[Im Still Ballin]

Another win.



Klay Thompson since Christmas: 26.9/4.6/2.7 on 43.4% from 3 (60.3% TS). He was shooting 37.8% from 3 up until Christmas (53.0 TS).

[1987_Lakers]

Another win.

Shame injuries robbed him of 2 years without playing, but very nice to see him bounce back.

[dankok8]

To be fair that 60.3 %TS is just ok only 2.3% above league average. But yea he's definitely back.

[Im Still Ballin]

To be fair that 60.3 %TS is just ok only 2.3% above league average. But yea he's definitely back.

Sure. Giannis and LeBron are below 60% TS I believe. A lot of Klay's impact isn't going to be captured on the stat sheet. That ability to shoot from three, stretch the defense, and move off the ball. He's definitely creating offensive space and scoring opportunities for his teammates.

[dankok8]

Sure. Giannis and LeBron are below 60% TS I believe. A lot of Klay's impact isn't going to be captured on the stat sheet. That ability to shoot from three, stretch the defense, and move off the ball. He's definitely creating offensive space and scoring opportunities for his teammates.

No doubt. I'm just pointing out that his efficiency isn't THAT great. I think people still intuitively look at 60 %TS and go "Wow" when league average is 58 %TS

[Im Still Ballin]

No doubt. I'm just pointing out that his efficiency isn't THAT great. I think people still intuitively look at 60 %TS and go "Wow" when league average is 58 %TS

It's largely his weak free-throw rate I believe. Doesn't really get to the charity stripe that much

[Nb1]

Warriors are what? 5-0 without Curry and Wiggins in their last games? Now with GP2 and when they'll both be back, the Warriors are a threat to everyone, so stacked that they dont even need their "arguably best" 2 players to make the playoffs and can beat everyone without them.

[ILLsmak]

scoring stats ain't what they used to be, but nice.

-Smak

[warriorfan]

He scored 18 on 53% TS in the playoffs

In the Lakers series he scored 16 on 48% TS

That’s worse than Allen Iverson with half the volume

[tpols]

Klay is what I would call a weak first option, but an ideal second option. He can play D and be productive on offense off the ball which makes it easy to pair him with a top tier star.

Yup. But if you look at how he produced at the championship level its weak. He's an elite shooter and decent man defender. Athletically totally sub par. No passing or playmaking game. If he wasn't on Golden State he'd be about as well known as Michael Redd.

[tpols]

He scored 18 on 53% TS in the playoffs

In the Lakers series he scored 16 on 48% TS

That’s worse than Allen Iverson with half the volume

People don't realize how bad he's shot in the playoffs when it mattered. He goes off once in a while but is generally like JR Smith level. And even JR could get hot.

[Xiao Yao You]

Yup. But if you look at how he produced at the championship level its weak. He's an elite shooter and decent man defender. Athletically totally sub par. No passing or playmaking game. If he wasn't on Golden State he'd be about as well known as Michael Redd.

take Redd over Carmelo too

[SaltyMeatballs]

take Redd over Carmelo too

Nah man. That's just going overboard now

[tpols]

take Redd over Carmelo too

You would probably take rudy gobert over Hakeem so I'm not sure what you say matters.

[Xiao Yao You]

Nah man. That's just going overboard now

there's guys I'd want on my team and guys I wouldn't

[Xiao Yao You]

You would probably take rudy gobert over Hakeem so I'm not sure what you say matters.

if you say so :facepalm

[Axe]

You would probably take rudy gobert over Hakeem so I'm not sure what you say matters.
:roll:

[iamgine]

Has Klay proved himself worthy without Steph? I've been impressed by his ability to scale up his game. This is not a particularly talented roster. Klay could probably lead this team to the playoffs if Curry's salary was replaced with a better bench and a decent point guard.

Give Klay Tyus Jones, Mason Plumlee, Eric Gordon, and a healthy GP2. He leads that squad to the playoffs.





Some of his performances this year without Steph:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2XiGgdzVl4&ab_channel=NBAonESPN


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gDrzf7OdHg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdASjnBzTwI

He also played 9 games without Steph last season.





Added all up, that's 25 games without Steph:

That's pretty similar to Maxey without Embiid.

[hold this L]

He should move to another team and see how he does next season.