Who is the most picked on player in the nba? Who gets the most chops licked?

[Kblaze8855]

As Beverly would say:



https://youtu.be/XHldEoQw7qI






Who do you think gets targeted the most among players who say….have made an all star game?

Or just players period if you think of someone less known.


I was reminded of Jokic getting abused over and over one game where Sexton was almost mocking him supposedly revving up his shoes to blow by him:


https://thumbs.gfycat.com/FlakyBlueGelada-size_restricted.gif







And he eventually got sick of it

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/WhimsicalHardHoneybadger-size_restricted.gif





I don’t think Jokic is the most targeted but that’s the best visual aid I had already at my disposal.



So.


Who is it? Who gets the most chops moistened in anticipation of the meal to come in the nba?




https://thumbs.gfycat.com/ScaredPhonyApisdorsatalaboriosa-size_restricted.gif

[Kblaze8855]

By the way he was talking about how he got a taste of Chris Paul in an offseason camp Lebron was running and he was licking his chops for more in the coming season. Tasty meal he seemed to suggest.

[post]

jokic would give his left nut to play with someone like a younger chris paul

[SouBeachTalents]

Rudy Gobert in the playoffs.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Not the most abused guy in the league but Sam Hauser of the Celtics gets targeted. Part of that is the Celtics having so many good defenders but I do think teams look at him and just figure he's bad. Fortunately it doesn't pay off. He's surprised a lot of people.

[CurryOverLebron]

If we're talking about media. Lebron is most praised. Westbrook is most criticized.

[Real Men Wear Green]

If we're talking about media. Lebron is most praised. Westbrook is most criticized.

This topic isn't about the media at all
Did you read it or just go straight to your boring agenda?

[Real Men Wear Green]

Also if we restrict it to Allstars it's Doncic now that Harden doesn't qualify.

[Kblaze8855]

Rudy Gobert in the playoffs.


Well that does have something of an answer it just requires some context and allowing for certain factors.

The simple non adjusted answer for who faced the most screens in a series for the purpose of a switch in the time it’s been tracked(about 10 years)….

Embiid vs the Hawks.

But this is where you have to factor other things in. It’s not because of Embiid in that case it’s because of Clint Capela. The entire season he was involved in almost every high screen with Trae Young so whoever guards Capela had a massive count of apparent “targets” but it isn’t really telling the story.

So a site ran the numbers factoring in the opposing offensive players regular season average of screens for the sake of a switch and comparing that rate to a playoff series. So…adjusted for that? These are the most picked on players in a playoff series the last 10 years in descending order:




https://www.hostpic.org/images/2302262251140346.jpeg




https://www.hostpic.org/images/2302262257220361.jpeg

[Xiao Yao You]

Rudy Gobert in the playoffs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvlxSSoVPfM

this is usually what happens when Gobert is in the game. No one licks their chops. In fact just the opposite. They usually want no part of him because it usually doesn't end well

[Kblaze8855]

But that of course can’t account for this:


Not the most abused guy in the league but Sam Hauser of the Celtics gets targeted. Part of that is the Celtics having so many good defenders but I do think teams look at him and just figure he's bad. Fortunately it doesn't pay off. He's surprised a lot of people..




If you have Steph or Poole on the floor with GP2, Klay, Wiggins, and Draymond….

Or Steph with Klay, Iggy, KD, and Draymond….


Who do you target?


It’s not really an accurate way to judge who the league just sees as a free meal. It’s relative.

Im not sure how you allow for that in a formula.

[Kblaze8855]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvlxSSoVPfM

this is usually what happens when Gobert is in the game. No one licks their chops. In fact just the opposite. They usually want no part of him because it usually doesn't end well


Nah a drive right at a giant shot blocker right on top of you in that case doesn’t really tell the tale. That isn’t being selected to be exploited or not. You don’t game plan for finding yourself in that situation.

It’s a set defense “Who can we take advantage of being out here” thing. And he’s absolutely been a target of that in the playoffs. It’s not entirely his fault because he’s out of place in a league with 400 shooters when he’s there to guard the paint but it is what it is.

[Full Court]

Hard to call Jokic the most picked on when he does this to you:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yy8T53X_fx0

[Xiao Yao You]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGNtWIR1A5E

Ja licking his chops against Gobert in the playoffs. Not a wise choice

[Kblaze8855]

So you’re going to keep pretending not to understand?


What Steph does here is targeting him:

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/ReflectingMintyCats-size_restricted.gif





This is just being dunked on:

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/OrderlyHeavyHuman-size_restricted.gif



Not the same thing.

[ArbitraryWater]

Rudy Gobert in the playoffs.


This.


Other than that, Ive seen some guys get repeatedy picked on, but it seems to be a match-up thing and they dont play much in that case.


Id say its been guys like Duncan Robinson, Joe Harris, Shamet...

[FultzNationRISE]

Jokic is up there, I would imagine Doncic and Irving as well.


Lebron is targeted the least.

[1987_Lakers]

I remember Curry being picked on constantly vs the Cavs in all of those Finals.

[Kblaze8855]

This.


Other than that, Ive seen some guys get repeatedy picked on, but it seems to be a match-up thing and they dont play much in that case.


Id say its been guys like Duncan Robinson, Joe Harris, Shamet...


If you did it per minute I’m sure guys like Robinson are high on the list. The chart I posted is only for people who played 100 minutes in each series.

[j3lademaster]

Well that does have something of an answer it just requires some context and allowing for certain factors.

The simple non adjusted answer for who faced the most screens in a series for the purpose of a switch in the time it’s been tracked(about 10 years)….

Embiid vs the Hawks.

But this is where you have to factor other things in. It’s not because of Embiid in that case it’s because of Clint Capela. The entire season he was involved in almost every high screen with Trae Young so whoever guards Capela had a massive count of apparent “targets” but it isn’t really telling the story.

So a site ran the numbers factoring in the opposing offensive players regular season average of screens for the sake of a switch and comparing that rate to a playoff series. So…adjusted for that? These are the most picked on players in a playoff series the last 10 years in descending order:




https://www.hostpic.org/images/2302262251140346.jpeg




https://www.hostpic.org/images/2302262257220361.jpegI'm surprised Trae Young isn't on that list. Some of those guys(namely Curry) are on there simply for the sake of making them work to take away some of their offense.

[Manny98]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvlxSSoVPfM

this is usually what happens when Gobert is in the game. No one licks their chops. In fact just the opposite. They usually want no part of him because it usually doesn't end well

Tell that to Terrence Mann :oldlol:

[ImKobe]

Rudy Gobert in the playoffs.

They draw Gobert out the paint so they can put pressure on the rest of the D. No one's going at Gobert neck consistently like that.

Jokic probably does get picked on the most when Denver plays the good teams. They had to bench him in crunch time of the POs last year because of how GS targeted him.

[Xiao Yao You]

They draw Gobert out the paint so they can put pressure on the rest of the D. No one's going at Gobert neck consistently like that.

Jokic probably does get picked on the most when Denver plays the good teams. They had to bench him in crunch time of the POs last year because of how GS targeted him.

Yep. It becomes a lay up line if he leaves the rim. That's why Towns actually makes a lot more sense than Royce O'Neale because while he isn't the greatest rim protector he at least has some size at the rim if Gobert guards the perimeter. And unlike the Favors years he can actually hit 3's at the other end.

[Kblaze8855]

Having a layup line when the lumbering big is drug out to the 3 point line is the basis of all modern offense. 3 or layup. Drive and lay it up or kick it to whoever’s man comes to help. It’s the very reason having mobile tweener bigs who can just prevent drives themselves by guarding whoever is the modern ideal. Don’t have to stick Draymond on a shooter because he moves his feet and can guard a wing….help and recover. A Gobert/Mutombo type who has to be fed his meal and doesn’t go get it is just out of place when a good shooting team decides to exploit them.

[Xiao Yao You]

Having a layup line when the lumbering big is drug out to the 3 point line is the basis of all modern offense. 3 or layup. Drive and lay it up or kick it to whoever’s man comes to help. It’s the very reason having mobile tweener bigs who can just prevent drives themselves by guarding whoever is the modern ideal. Don’t have to stick Draymond on a shooter because he moves his feet and can guard a wing….help and recover. A Gobert/Mutombo type who has to be fed his meal and doesn’t go get it is just out of place when a good shooting team decides to exploit them.

Gobert can guard the perimeter too. He just can't guard 5 guys at once. If he was lumbering he wouldn't be a 3 time DPOTY

[Xiao Yao You]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_F6iP5JFmk&t=24s

[Kblaze8855]

A awful lot of lumbering guys win DPOY. Taking away layups has always been valuable it’s just less valuable in specific matchups now because the alternative to a layup used to be a 35% midrange jumper instead of a 36% 3 which is effectively a 54% 2. A guy who takes away layups used to ruin an offense and he still can over large sample sizes but when his choice is to allow layups or give up threes to a team game planning for it you lose either way so you need overpowering scorers to win it on offense.

The league has rigged itself against winning with interior defense because focusing on it just gets you beat from 3. Especially when a team spends a whole year feeding drives to a big and suddenly have to either all become Gary Payton(which the rules won’t even allow) and stop drives or leave him inside while he gets shelled from 3 at a rate that makes a role player nearly as efficient as as a Kareem or Shaq post up.

This isn’t about Rudy. It’s about the league making guys like him be setup for failure vs a good game plan and competent shooting. And even bad shooting teams can shoot these days.

Its like Riley’s Heat who basically gave up on stopping drives because they’d just feed people to Zo getting to the playoffs and playing 3 wings and 2 guards so now Zo is 25 feet from the basket and guys who’s whole defense was based on letting him clean up and staying outside to prevent 3s is wrecked because now they just lay it up behind you.

Imagine that great Heat team playing someone who could put Glen Rice at the 4 and Okur at the 5.

Zo is almost entirely negated and a team of guys used to him eliminating drives has to rebuild the defense on the fly.

Only Zo in that situation could at least score back. Rudy is more limited.

The problem isn’t him. It’s the league he plays in being rigged against him.

[Xiao Yao You]

A awful lot of lumbering guys win DPOY. Taking away layups has always been valuable it’s just less valuable in specific matchups now because the alternative to a layup used to be a 35% midrange jumper instead of a 36% 3 which is effectively a 54% 2. A guy who takes away layups used to ruin and Offats but when his choice is to allow layups or give up threes you lose either way so you need overpowering scorers to win it on offense.

The league has rigged itself against winning with interior defense because focusing on it just gets you beat from 3. Especially when a team spends a whole year feeding drives to a big and suddenly have to either all become Gary Payton(which the rules won’t even allow) and stop drives or leave him inside while he gets shelled from 3 at a rate that makes a role player nearly as efficient as as a Kareem or Shaq post up.

This isn’t about Rudy. It’s about the league making guys like him be setup for failure cs a good game plan and competent shooting. And even bad shooting teams can shoot these days.

lumbering guys can't win DPOTY anymore. Have to be able to guard in space. I doubt Mutumbo ever had to much yet you keep comparing them. Only guys you can really compare him with are guys playing in this era and he's been the best

[Kblaze8855]

Yea why on earth would I compare 7’2” 3-4 time international DPOYs who led the league in rebounds, were the center of 51-60 win teams that nobody feared in the playoffs largely because their star bigs were one dimensional, and got routinely mocked by fans but repped by local fans who pretended not to notice that guys like them don’t lead teams to anything that matters….


Anyway Nuggets and Hawks Mutombo was incredibly mobile and quick on defense he just had bad hands and seemed to have concrete knees on offense.

In his prime he’d be everything Rudy is if used the same way. Right down to getting spun in circles and having his ankles broken in space.

[Xiao Yao You]

Yea why on earth would I compare 7’2” 3-4 time international DPOYs who led the league in rebounds, were the center of 51-60 win teams that nobody feared in the playoffs largely because their star bigs were one dimensional, and got routinely mocked by fans but replied by local fans who pretended not to notice that guys like them don’t lead teams to anything that matters….


Anyway Nuggets and Hawks Mutombo was incredibly mobile and quick on defense he just had bad hands and seemed to have concrete knees on offense.

In his prime he’d be everything Rudy is if used the same way. Right down to getting spun in circles and having his ankles broken in space.

we don't really know what Mutumbo would be today since Gobert has had to develop the ability to guard in space. Same thing Kessler has yet to show

[Kblaze8855]

Rooks: You have said that you are the best defender in the NBA. Make your case.
Bam: I guard 1 through 5. There’s not a lot of us: me, Draymond, Giannis. Who else?
Rooks: Well last year, Marcus Smart won. Year before that, Rudy won.
Bam: Yeah but Rudy can’t-
Rooks: You say Rudy no?
Bam: Nah
Rooks: You were like ‘I should’ve won the DPOY the last two years.’ Why do you feel like you should have won over Rudy and Marcus?
Bam: It has to translate, and I feel like Rudy in the playoffs didn’t translate. And, Marcus Smart guards 1 through 4.




Bam doesn’t feel Rudy “translates” to playoff ball.

[highwhey]

As Beverly would say:



https://youtu.be/XHldEoQw7qI






Who do you think gets targeted the most among players who say….have made an all star game?

Or just players period if you think of someone less known.


I was reminded of Jokic getting abused over and over one game where Sexton was almost mocking him supposedly revving up his shoes to blow by him:


https://thumbs.gfycat.com/FlakyBlueGelada-size_restricted.gif







And he eventually got sick of it

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/WhimsicalHardHoneybadger-size_restricted.gif





I don’t think Jokic is the most targeted but that’s the best visual aid I had already at my disposal.



So.


Who is it? Who gets the most chops moistened in anticipation of the meal to come in the nba?




https://thumbs.gfycat.com/ScaredPhonyApisdorsatalaboriosa-size_restricted.gif

thats a bitchmade move by jokic.

[FKAri]

Jokic is up there, I would imagine Doncic and Irving as well.


Lebron is targeted the least.

You see some poor sucker getting picked and think that of Bron? LeBron is the who targets.

[Kblaze8855]

thats a bitchmade move by jokic.


He might kill someone.


https://www.hostpic.org/images/2302280951470101.jpeg

[Kblaze8855]

https://twitter.com/thenbacentral/status/1634568492660948993?s=46&t=WjMoQ3b09uKD0oMqO2icHg


That account claims Jokic gave up 19/32 shooting being targeted last night but I’m not sure how much of it should count.


A reply actually has the “Licking my chops” video oddly enough.

[Kblaze8855]

One reply to that video is this….


https://www.hostpic.org/images/2303130543360367.jpeg



And I’m genuinely not sure if he’s trying to prove Jokic is a defensive GOAT or prove that stat he’s using should be ignored.

[post]

porter jr. got benched

you do the math

[1987_Lakers]

porter jr. got benched

you do the math

Both Jokic & Porter Jr got benched today when the Nuggets needed a stop late.

[warriorfan]

One reply to that video is this….


https://www.hostpic.org/images/2303130543360367.jpeg



And I’m genuinely not sure if he’s trying to prove Jokic is a defensive GOAT or prove that stat he’s using should be ignored.

While Jokic is a better defender then a lot give him credit for, DPBM is a pretty worthless stat. The guy with the highest ever DPBM ever is Nate Mcmillan. The creator of the stat is on record saying that it isn’t very good and should be taken with a grain of salt. He created the stat for offense and did the best he could to try to make it work with defense.

[highwhey]

He might kill someone.


https://www.hostpic.org/images/2302280951470101.jpeg

:oldlol:

[post]

Both Jokic & Porter Jr got benched today when the Nuggets needed a stop late.

no

[post]

While Jokic is a better defender then a lot give him credit for, DPBM is a pretty worthless stat. The guy with the highest ever DPBM ever is Nate Mcmillan. The creator of the stat is on record saying that it isn’t very good and should be taken with a grain of salt. He created the stat for offense and did the best he could to try to make it work with defense.

you're on record as having said that before

and i'm on record telling you it's not worthless just imperfect like everything

[Kblaze8855]

While Jokic is a better defender than a lot give him credit for, DPBM is a pretty worthless stat. The guy with the highest ever DPBM ever is Nate Mcmillan. The creator of the stat is on record saying that it isn’t very good and should be taken with a grain of salt. He created the stat for offense and did the best he could to try to make it work with defense.


Not saying I disagree with your point but I will say that Nate was a goblin in his prime on that end he just didn’t get much talk.

[post]

if 58 year old mcmillan wanted to come out of retirement denver might consider signing him

[Xiao Yao You]

While Jokic is a better defender then a lot give him credit for, DPBM is a pretty worthless stat. The guy with the highest ever DPBM ever is Nate Mcmillan. The creator of the stat is on record saying that it isn’t very good and should be taken with a grain of salt. He created the stat for offense and did the best he could to try to make it work with defense.

McMillan was known for his D

[warriorfan]

Nate was a good defender but is he good enough to have the best defensive season of all time? According to DBPM? Yes.

[post]

quick someone tell me what jamal crawford's career dbpm was

did denver all the sudden start following the jamal crawford method of defense

enlighten me

i'm just a nerd who never picked up a basketball

[post]

what are nick wright's qualifications to talk about basketball

he has a college degree

who gives a shit

i have a college degree too

[Xiao Yao You]

what are nick wright's qualifications to talk about basketball

he has a college degree

who gives a shit

i have a college degree too

has to be a rare thing around here. Would imagine a lot haven't even graduated high school around here

[post]

has to be a rare thing around here. Would imagine a lot haven't even graduated high school around here

don't know man

spiderman seems like he's still stuck in elementary school

[Xiao Yao You]

don't know man

spiderman seems like he's still stuck in elementary school

yeah I wonder how old some here are by the things they post

[post]

yeah I wonder how old some here are by the things they post

can't stand a lot of these pricks to be honest however old they are

[Xiao Yao You]

can't stand a lot of these pricks to be honest however old they are

yeah it's quite a group that gathers here :lol