Lebron produced bad teams in 2008, 2019 & 2023 - all-star additions saved each team

[3ba11]

The Lakers were hot garbage this year just like 2008 or 2019, but big trades for all-stars turned them from bad to good as seen in 2009 and 2020, yet Lebron gets credit for "carrying" these "saved teams" on deep runs.

It's a clear-cut example of the media misreporting on Lebron - he never "carried" shit

[Nilocon165]

Team is bad, team therefore makes trades to improve team. Wow. This dude's got brains

[1987_Lakers]

Ban incoming

[Nilocon165]

Also the Cavs lost to the eventual champions in 08 in 7 games, then won 60+ games in 09 and 10, what are you on about exactly?

[Axe]

1-9

[3ba11]

Team is bad, team therefore makes trades to improve team. Wow. This dude's got brains


you're mischaracterizing the "bad teams" - lebron had several DEBACLES with good teammates that the media misreported on or lied and covered up:



1) How could Lebron be lottery with Kuzma?.... let alone kuzma AND ingram AND ball AND rondo

2) How could Lebron miss the play-in with AD/Westbrook?

3) How could Lebron only win 45 games in his 5th healthy season with a HOF coach, 2x all-star center and 22/5/5 all-defender acquisition?


Big trades for all-stars saved all of these debacles, yet Lebron was credited with "carrying" these saved teams on deep runs.. It's absurd.. AD literally turned the Lakers' defense from worst to first and led the Lakers in scoring for regular season and playoffs - yet Lebron was viewed as carrying the team and his 4th ring is considered comparable to MJ's..

[SATAN]

OP would you kill LeBron James if you were 100% sure you would get away with it?

[3ba11]

the Cavs lost to the eventual champions in 08 in 7 games,





2008 ECSF

Lebron...... 26 on 36%


So the Cavs took the Celtics to 7 games in spite of Lebron wetting the bed because they were infact a good team

They were a veteran team with great coach and prime Lebron, yet they only won 45 games until Lebron's stiff arm received the all-star spacing it needs to be MVP or have a contender in 2009.






then won 60+ games in 09 and 10, what are you on about exactly?





Jordan would never have "the worst Finals team ever" with the East all-star center and this acquisition:

05' HUGHES.... 21.6 PER.. 4.3 BPM.. 0.157 WS/48.. 3.7 VORP... 22/6/5.. 1st Team All-D
90' PIPPEN...... 16.3 PER.. 1.8 BPM.. 0.087 WS/48.. 3.0 VORP... 16/6/5.. No All-D


Jordan would have 60-win favorites with that since he won 55 and nearly beat the Bad Boys in 1990 with less help on both sides of the ball.

Infact, stats confirm that MJ nearly beat the Bad Boys in 1990 with less help on both sides of ball than 06-10' Cavs - this includes the #19 defense versus top 10 for the Cavs and less much offensive help (Pippen had much lower PER, WS, PPG & efficiency than all-stars Zydrunas/Mo or Hughes/Jamison acquisitions).

Ultimately, Lebron ran from a fossils that were 32-34 years old (KG/Pierce/Ray), while MJ beat prime Bad Boys when they were 27-29 years old in 91' (Isiah/Dumars/Rodman).. KG was a 14/7 bum post-injury and the 50-win Celtics were big underdogs to league fav Cavs (Year 7 organic juggernaut)

[1987_Lakers]

OP would you kill LeBron James if you were 100% sure you would get away with it?

I think he would. The damage LeBron has caused OP is too much.

[Nilocon165]

you're mischaracterizing the "bad teams" - lebron had several DEBACLES with good teammates that the media misreported on or lied and covered up:



1) How could Lebron be lottery with Kuzma?.... let alone kuzma AND ingram AND ball AND rondo

2) How could Lebron miss the play-in with AD/Westbrook?

3) How could Lebron only win 45 games in his 5th healthy season with a HOF coach, 2x all-star center and 22/5/5 all-defender acquisition?


Big trades for all-stars saved all of these debacles, yet Lebron was credited with "carrying" these saved teams on deep runs.. It's absurd.. AD literally turned the Lakers' defense from worst to first and led the Lakers in scoring for regular season and playoffs.

1. They were the 4th seed until Bron's injury

2. AD missed Half the season, Westbrook was dogshit and didn't fit.

3. Because the Magic, Pistons, and Celtics were better teams than the Cavs. Lebron averaged 30 as a 22 year old, Cavs were the only team to take the 66 win Celtics to 7, and then Lebron made massive leaps to his game the next season.

[3ba11]

1. They were the 4th seed until Bron's injury

.500 with Lebron in lineup

Being lottery with that team is nowhere near goat-level..

His debut in the West was a clear-cut example that he's overrated and simply feasted on a weak East by consolidating power - he took the top 3 first options in the conference and put them on 1 team (the "deciision).. then people remarkably game him credit for winning conference..


2. AD missed Half the season, Westbrook was dogshit and didn't fit... \

Bad fits aren't an excuse for losing.. Bad fit = skill deficit... Bad chemistry and fits are proof that Lebron can't play all 5 positions and only has a point guard skillset - he has abnormal ball-dominance for his size and position.. Anyone that wasn't already an elite shooter (Kyrie/Mo) sees their stats and game decline alongside his abnormal ball-dominance.


3. Cavs were the only team to take the 66 win Celtics to 7

Lebron wet the bed and choked in that series (26 on 36%).. the Cavs made it a series because their reputed defense held the Celtics below their normal averages - Cavs had the #4 defense in 07' and 09')


3. and then Lebron made massive leaps to his game the next season

because he got the all-star spacing his skillset needs to be MVP or have a contender - without spacing, Lebron's drive-heavy game isn't MVP and his teams aren't top level).


3. Because the Celtics and Magic were better than the Cavs

Cavs were massive favorites over both teams.

Lebron ran from a fossils that were 32-34 years old (KG/Pierce/Ray), while MJ beat the Bad Boys when they were 27-29 years old in 91' (Isiah/Dumars/Rodman).. KG was a 14/7 bum post-injury and the 50-win Celtics were big underdogs to league favorite Cavs (Year 7 organic juggernaut)

And Lebron had 2 fringe all-stars (Mo/Zydrunas) that were heavily-favored to beat Dwight's 1 fringe all-star (Lewis), but the Magic became one of the biggest underdogs to ever win a playoff series - and they had the injury excuse but still won (they were missing their all-star PG Jameer Nelson)..

Lebron lost that series because he made a goat defensive blunder by not providing the size/agility required to guard Lewis or Hedo and opting to guard a spot-up shooter instead (Lee).. He also averaged 12 turnovers per 48 minutes of clutch-time (last 5 within 5), so he was a horrific turnover machine in the clutch.. Furthermore, he got demolished by Dwight in the critical OT that swung the series (Game 4).. So he was a big choke box on both sides of the ball - he needed Wade to teach him how to perform under pressure..

Btw, Mo averaged 18 on 38% for the series, so Lebron never beat a top 5 SRS team with poor scoring and efficiency from a sidekick - he's also too ball-dominant at carry-job volume to beat toip teams, so he needs all-time scoring help like AD, Wade, or Kyrie, while expert jumpshooters win with secondary producers like Wiggins, Pippen, Jason Terry, Lowry, Pau, Klay





I bolded the responses above

[3ba11]

I think he would. The damage LeBron has caused OP is too much.


The media misreported Lebron's career and you fell for it, while I have to put up with it and avoid the coverage (miscoverage)

He ruined the game like Shumpert said, but media people with vested interest or casuals like you who never picked up a ball are too dumb or blinded to see it.

Carry on

[warriorfan]

The media misreported Lebron's career and you fell for it, while I have to put up with it and avoid the coverage (miscoverage)

He ruined the game like Shumpert said, but media people with vested interest or casuals like you who never picked up a ball are too dumb or blinded to see it.

Carry on

he is a midget who has never picked up a basketball in his life. he just parrots stupid shit he finds on realGM (the biggest pencil neck geek site around)

[John8204]

https://i.pinimg.com/474x/77/0d/db/770ddbace3a0afa4711a1bf01b59e3f8--dont-panic-douglas-adams-quotes.jpg

I mean really

[1987_Lakers]

Ban incoming

:rockon:

[SATAN]

The 3ba11 alt is pretty lame tbh

[Wally450]

:oldlol:

[Phoenix]

Will the mod who keeps banning 3ball kindly reveal himself? WHAT are you doing?!

[Phoenix]

The 3ba11 alt is pretty lame tbh

I'm dead convinced it's a mod burner account. We have alot of alts that make repeat topics. This is the only one who is being let back on the board and banned repeatedly.

[1987_Lakers]

Will the mod who keeps banning 3ball kindly reveal himself? WHAT are you doing?!

:oldlol:

[Real Men Wear Green]

Will the mod who keeps banning 3ball kindly reveal himself? WHAT are you doing?!
Nothing of importance.

[Nb1]

The Lakers were hot garbage this year just like 2008 or 2019, but big trades for all-stars turned them from bad to good as seen in 2009 and 2020, yet Lebron gets credit for "carrying" these "saved teams" on deep runs.

It's a clear-cut example of the media misreporting on Lebron - he never "carried" shit

Big trades for all stars? None of the guys the Lakers acquired were all stars this year lol. Hell, the best one we got was the Wolves 4th option...

And before getting Bron we were the worst NBA team for the last 5 yrs and won the chip with full of rejects and AD, the guy who was 5-9 in the playoffs for his whole career before meeting Lebron. Lebron is just that good that he turns a mediocre team into a championship winning one with a few average pieces around him. It wasn't even only WB's fault, Chuck said it the best, 90% of the roster besides AD, Bron was pure garbage. Prime Lebron almost beat the almighty Warriors with Shumpert, Dellavedova, Mozgov and Thompson. But 38 yr old Lebron couldnt win a chip all by himself carrying that trash on his back. Give him a few average players but who are a great fit and the Lakers are contenders.

Its only been a few games and D'Lo was out, but cant complain. Vand, D'Lo, Beasley have been amazing. But stop with that all star sh**, none of them were all stars this year and the only one who ever was is D'Lo but that was 3 yrs back. He was the 4th option on a lottery team. It's not like we got Durant and it also not like we were as stacked as the Warriors already.

[Full Court]

As usual, OP speaks the truth.

Also as usual, Bronie fluffers having bitch fits. :lol

[8Ball]

Will the mod who keeps banning 3ball kindly reveal himself? WHAT are you doing?!


I unban 3ball so that he can rack up some post volume on the website.


Also because I extract enjoyment from his pain and suffering.

[Phoenix]

I unban 3ball so that he can rack up some post volume on the website.


Also because I extract enjoyment from his pain and suffering.

I figured there had to be some strategy behind it. As you were......

[j3lademaster]

This thread makes Lebron look like the goat.

Nitpicking 3 out of 20 seasons, what were other players doing at 23, 34, and 38 years of age, I wonder?

[Axe]

Banned again. :lol