We are in a new era

[StrongLurk]

I made a long thread awhile back about how basically we are in a new era of ball over the last few years. This year really confirms it. We can't even compare now to what the NBA was ten years ago.

This season we have two separate 71 point scorers, and the most 40 point games ever recorded (yes even including the NBA in the 60's). We really can't take "stats" seriously right now. We'd have to take off 10-15% of players stats across the board if we want to compare to previous eras over the last 30-40 years.

This new era will have a fresh top 10 list too...don't want to see any names from previous eras.

So far the GOATs of the new era are looking like Giannis, Luka, Joker. No need to include Steph, KD or Lebron since they are in the back parts of their career.

[ImKobe]

It's been a new era IMO since the mid 2010s, when GS changed the game.

And btw if we're talking about all-time ORTG numbers, 8 of the 18 greatest ORTG seasons (team average) all-time are happening right now this season and the top 21 teams all-time are all from 2019- now.

[StrongLurk]

It's been a new era IMO since the mid 2010s, when GS changed the game.

And btw if we're talking about all-time ORTG numbers, 8 of the 18 greatest ORTG seasons (team average) all-time are happening right now this season and the top 21 teams all-time are all from 2019- now.

Okay sounds like 2019 is the start of the new era. Mid 2010's still only had Warriors and Rockets really bombing from three and spacing the floor a lot. Every team is doing it now.

[ShawkFactory]

The last place team in 3pt attempts right now would be 1st in 2012. The 2016 Warriors would be 23rd.

It really started popping off in the 2017-2018 range and you can blame the Rockets for it just as much as the Warriors.

[ArbitraryWater]

The last place team in 3pt attempts right now would be 1st in 2012. The 2016 Warriors would be 23rd.

It really started popping off in the 2017-2018 range and you can blame the Rockets for it just as much as the Warriors.


what you mean "blame" lol, rockets were just following the trend. they didnt start anything.

[ShawkFactory]

what you mean "blame" lol, rockets were just following the trend. they didnt start anything.

The point was that the D'Antoni Rockets had as much to do with the trend as anyone.

[ArbitraryWater]

The point was that the D'Antoni Rockets had as much to do with the trend as anyone.

not really. They FOLLOWED the GS blueprint.

[FultzNationRISE]

I made a long thread awhile back about how basically we are in a new era of ball over the last few years. This year really confirms it. We can't even compare now to what the NBA was ten years ago.

This season we have two separate 71 point scorers, and the most 40 point games ever recorded (yes even including the NBA in the 60's). We really can't take "stats" seriously right now. We'd have to take off 10-15% of players stats across the board if we want to compare to previous eras over the last 30-40 years.

This new era will have a fresh top 10 list too...don't want to see any names from previous eras.

So far the GOATs of the new era are looking like Giannis, Luka, Joker. No need to include Steph, KD or Lebron since they are in the back parts of their career.


No Joel?

[StrongLurk]

We can't compare the current NBA to anything previously. I used to do that often, but not anymore. Sure the 80's was fast paced, but damn it's still too different than now.

Uber threes and spacing, more teams in the league, play-in tournaments, and insane international talent. We need to start comparing the new-gen GOATs to ONLY this current iteration of the NBA. It's not comparable to anything previously.

[ShawkFactory]

not really. They FOLLOWED the GS blueprint.

They grabbed the blueprint and completely took off with it. The Warriors were 5th, 17th, and 8th in 3pt attempts in 17-19. The Rockets were first every year and had 20% more attempts than the second highest team in that span.

They had a lot to do with the trend.

[StrongLurk]

Last night, Dame made 420 feet worth of field goals. No one has ever made over 400 feet of field goals in a game before since shot tracking began in 1996..just a long bomb clinic last night.

[Airupthere]

Curry and the Warriors changed the game forever. And this is under Lebron's watch. Curry basically made the game much easier for the likes of Lebron.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

While I agree defense is worse, players today on average are higher skilled and take more threes.

Cant leave that out.

In terms of talent....Joker, Kawhi, Lebron and Curry are all basically top 10

[ArbitraryWater]

They grabbed the blueprint and completely took off with it. The Warriors were 5th, 17th, and 8th in 3pt attempts in 17-19. The Rockets were first every year and had 20% more attempts than the second highest team in that span.

They had a lot to do with the trend.

thats because they got KD.

So they needed to cancel that out and beat GSW the only way a team could.

If they hadnt gotten KD, obviousy GSW woud have continued to front-run that style.

[Kblaze8855]

The stats don’t need to be modified or taken with a grain of salt or whatever we wanna call it. The problem is thinking you have to judge players by the numbers to begin with. There is a range of what is reasonably possible to do in 34-40 minutes of PT and players over a wide range of ability are capable of that entire range of production in the right situation. 29/6/4 could be Jordan or Gilbert Arenas. You shouldn’t need 6 guys doing it at the same time to notice.

Tim Duncans 22/12 or Demarcus Cousins 26/12 shouldn’t be directly compared that way and it’s been obvious for decades why.

[j3lademaster]

There are a plethora of advanced stats that will suggest Jordan > Arenas and Duncan > Cousins. Stats have to have their place. I would love if we can just judge everything objectively with the eye test, but everything I watched between ages 8-15 is always going to look more amazing than anything I've seen in the last 10 years. But 'eye test' still has to matter, it's just as flawed and biased as stats with no context.

An objective argument for or against a player needs to be well balanced.

[AlternativeAcc.]

We can't compare the current NBA to anything previously. I used to do that often, but not anymore. Sure the 80's was fast paced, but damn it's still too different than now.

Uber threes and spacing, more teams in the league, play-in tournaments, and insane international talent. We need to start comparing the new-gen GOATs to ONLY this current iteration of the NBA. It's not comparable to anything previously.

Agreed.

Anything prior to LeBron coming into the league is largely irrelevant. He changed the sport directly and indirectly. (The 3 point era was spawned by teams/players who were desperate to beat lebron led teams)

Even in the mid 2010s when the league officially changed, lebron still dominated the early adopters (warriors)

Lebron also changed the game directly via copy-cat players like Luka, Giannis, and Jokic stealing his blueprint. (Elite all around offensive game centered around playmaking)

LeBrons GOAT argument has no holes because of these reasons.

[bison]

Paolo led the league tonight with 29 pts. This is apparently the first game day this entire season a player did not finish with at least 30 points if you are wondering how mundane 30 pt games have become.