Barkley: KD won't be an all-time great without a title as a leader

[ArbitraryWater]

My man still spilling the facts.

Obviously within the context, he means ATG as somewhat of a top 15-20 player.

Video is on ESPN.

This comes after some nice truthbombs over the years:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nnm_OH81Yqk

[SATAN]

Chuck admits to not even watching games (he's paid handsomely to) yet insists on talking shit about the NBA and doesn't even know who 1/4th of the league are.

KD is an all time great.

I didn't watch the clip because Chuck deserves the same standards. He isn't good at his job. Basically just a clown now.

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[ArbitraryWater]

Chuck admits to not even watching games (he's paid handsomely to) yet insists on talking shit about the NBA and doesn't even know who 1/4th of the league are.

KD is an all time great.

I didn't watch the clip because Chuck deserves the same standards. He isn't good at his job. Basically just a clown now.

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Obviously within the context, he means ATG as somewhat of a top 15-20 player.

[SouBeachTalents]

Oscar & Dr. J never won a title as the leader and they're consensus top 15-20 players, while Malone, Robinson & Barkley himself are in the top 20 on a good amount of lists, as will KD even if he never wins another title.

[dankok8]

Honestly KD does get some credit for his GS titles for me as well considering his absurdly great play in those finals!

Top 20 is basically a lock for KD at this point.

[StrongLurk]

Obviously KD got two easy rings with the Warriors, but he wasn't just putting up 20ppg and coasting. Dude went head-to-head with Lebron and completely held his own. Even if his team was stacked beyond belief, how many other players would have the impact/statlines that KD had? How many are winning FMVP both years over Curry who was playing great? KD was putting up 35/5/5 in 2019 on his way to another FMVP before his achilles blew out.

I think KD DOES need another ring/FMVP on a non-stacked team if he wants to make it into the top 10 all-time...but the dude is clearly already in the top 15 for me. He's already an "all-time great".

Everyone in the media gives Curry credit for "four rings" even though his 2015 ring was won through major injuries to the Cavs, and then Curry was the THIRD best player in the 17/18 series behind Lebron/KD. The media can't give "credit" to Curry's four rings and simultaneously not give any credit to Durant's 2 rings.

[SouBeachTalents]

Obviously KD got two easy rings with the Warriors, but he wasn't just putting up 20ppg and coasting. Dude went head-to-head with Lebron and completely held his own. Even if his team was stacked beyond belief, how many other players would have the impact/statlines that KD had? How many are winning FMVP both years over Curry who was playing great? KD was putting up 35/5/5 in 2019 on his way to another FMVP before his achilles blew out.

I think KD DOES need another ring/FMVP on a non-stacked team if he wants to make it into the top 10 all-time...but the dude is clearly already in the top 15 for me. He's already an "all-time great".

Everyone in the media gives Curry credit for "four rings" even though his 2015 ring was won through major injuries to the Cavs, and then Curry was the THIRD best player in the 17/18 series behind Lebron/KD. The media can't give "credit" to Curry's four rings and simultaneously not give any credit to Durant's 2 rings.
This has always been a double standard. If KD doesn't get credit for those titles, by what logic should Curry :lol

[RRR3]

This has always been a double standard. If KD doesn't get credit for those titles, by what logic should Curry :lol
People just don’t like Durant. Hence he gets held to standards Curry doesn’t.

[Jasper]

My man still spilling the facts.

Obviously within the context, he means ATG as somewhat of a top 15-20 player.

Video is on ESPN.

This comes after some nice truthbombs over the years:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nnm_OH81Yqk

can Booker/ cp3/ ayton and KD win a chip for the Suns / that Barkley did not do for them ???? :confusedshrug:

Or will they have to wait till summer when Irving comes to town ???? :confusedshrug:

[Nb1]

KD joining 70+ and 60+ number 1 seeds is almost criminal, dude is a monster!

[John8204]

KD is a top ten talent of all-time but he's basically this generations Rick Barry. 20-30 is a fine place for him but I'll never rank him ahead of Lebron, Curry, CPIII, and Giannis those players did the heavy lifting and even when they left their teams they still elevated them.

[Xiao Yao You]

can Booker/ cp3/ ayton and KD win a chip for the Suns / that Barkley did not do for them ???? :confusedshrug:

Or will they have to wait till summer when Irving comes to town ???? :confusedshrug:

replace Paul with cancer? :lol

[j3lademaster]

I've said in another thread that I have KD top 15, and I wouldn't argue with someone putting him top 20.

RoY
13 time allstar
MVP
2 FMVP
4 scoring titles

27/7/4 on 50/38/89 for his career 4th in career playoff ppg with an insane 29.4, top 10 in total playoff points with 4559.

That's an insane resume, and I think most will acknowledge if those rings were Olajuwon type rings he'd be getting top 10 talk right now.

So idk what Barkley means by all-time great. Durant already is, he's #3 at his position all time.

[j3lademaster]

KD is a top ten talent of all-time but he's basically this generations Rick Barry. 20-30 is a fine place for him but I'll never rank him ahead of Lebron, Curry, CPIII, and Giannis those players did the heavy lifting and even when they left their teams they still elevated them.Well, Lebron's top 2 if not the goat, so it'll take a ton of resume stacking to leapfrog that. Won't happen at age 34. I have Curry over him as well, Giannis is arguable since he's still fairly young, but he's on a better trajectory imo. Zero chance I take any version of CP3 over prime KD.

[John8204]

Well, Lebron's top 2 if not the goat, so it'll take a ton of resume stacking to leapfrog that. Won't happen at age 34. I have Curry over him as well, Giannis is arguable since he's still fairly young, but he's on a better trajectory imo. Zero chance I take any version of CP3 over prime KD.

Here's my reasoning for CPIII over Durant. Durant goes to great players and they get worse, CPIII joins good players and makes them great players. You look at what both guys did in OKC, CPIII took the worst team I've every seen into the playoffs while Durant had 2 MVP's and depth and never won a title.

IF NBA treated it's MVP's the way Baseball did Chris Paul would have had 5 MVP's.

[1987_Lakers]

Here's my reasoning for CPIII over Durant. Durant goes to great players and they get worse, CPIII joins good players and makes them great players. You look at what both guys did in OKC, CPIII took the worst team I've every seen into the playoffs while Durant had 2 MVP's and depth and never won a title.

IF NBA treated it's MVP's the way Baseball did Chris Paul would have had 5 MVP's.

What are you talking about? Curry, Klay & Draymond didn't miss a beat when they added KD. Kyrie was still Kyrie with KD.

[John8204]

What are you talking about? Curry, Klay & Draymond didn't miss a beat when they added KD. Kyrie was still Kyrie with KD.

Curry was a 30PPG player before Durant joined and after he left, Draymond's points dropped almost in half, Kyrie went from leading teams into playoff runs to getting taken out early. Compare that to...Blake Griffin all-star, Devin Booker all-star, James Harden MVP.

[j3lademaster]

Here's my reasoning for CPIII over Durant. Durant goes to great players and they get worse, CPIII joins good players and makes them great players. You look at what both guys did in OKC, CPIII took the worst team I've every seen into the playoffs while Durant had 2 MVP's and depth and never won a title.

IF NBA treated it's MVP's the way Baseball did Chris Paul would have had 5 MVP's.He was able to co-exist with Westbrook, making him one of the most adaptable players in the league. When Durant went to GS, they literally had negative odds against the field going into the season and were complete juggernauts. Would have 3peated if not for injury.

[AlternativeAcc.]

He was able to co-exist with Westbrook, making him one of the most adaptable players in the league. When Durant went to GS, they literally had negative odds against the field going into the season and were complete juggernauts. Would have 3peated if not for injury.

He's arguably the most portable star ever. He fits in any system seamlessly

Watching him with the Suns is beautiful.

[j3lademaster]

He's arguably the most portable star ever. He fits in any system seamlessly

Watching him with the Suns is beautiful.60% shooting from 10-16 feet, 54% from 16 ft to the 3. And he gets those shots basically whenever he wants. Absolutely insane, his game is literally built for the playoffs if he can just stay consistent. In the 2021 playoffs he shot 55% from 10 ft - 3 pt line and we all saw how that went.