View Full Version : Cippers lose again with Westbrook, now 0-3 with him
ArbitraryWater
03-01-2023, 09:57 AM
Theyre actually playing him as a starter, wtf were they thinking?
Were they not paying attention?
HoopologyPhD
03-01-2023, 10:04 AM
Worst coach in the league, most money paid for washed players. Making the other team in Hell A look sweet.
ImKobe
03-01-2023, 10:08 AM
You can't put it all on a minimum contract player lol.. But I guess Bran fans have to trash him at every turn, even though he's played well individually for what he's being paid as a Clipper. It's not like the Mann or Gordon minutes were any better in this game.
ArbitraryWater
03-01-2023, 10:11 AM
You can't put it all on a minimum contract player lol.. But I guess Bran fans have to trash him at every turn, even though he's played well individually for what he's being paid as a Clipper. It's not like the Mann or Gordon minutes were any better in this game.
even when Russ plays "individually well" (notice the focus on individually?), he hurts the offense.
Hes just not adding any value.
What does his contract have to do with anything?
They suck with him so bady. Ty ue just gave himsef a headache. :(
Xiao Yao You
03-01-2023, 10:23 AM
no threads on Gobert led D shutting down the superstar lineup of the Clippers for 3 quarters?
ImKobe
03-01-2023, 10:26 AM
even when Russ plays "individually well" (notice the focus on individually?), he hurts the offense.
Hes just not adding any value.
What does his contract have to do with anything?
How is he hurting the offense when he's put up 16/6/9 on 64%TS (53/44/100 splits) in these 3 games? He had a bunch of TOs in Game 1 though 3-4 of them weren't even his fault and he was a +6 in that one.
What does his contract have to do with anything? They got him for a minimum bro.. It's on the coach to put him in the right role and not have him out there at the end of games. Everyone talked about how Gordon & Mann were so much better yet those guys have been so much worse in these 3 games, but Russ still gets all the blame because he's Lebrons ex-teammate and y'all just want to keep trashing him as he's such an easy target. Truth is that Russ has played better than expected as a buyout player. They've played 3 really good teams so it's a little early to start panicking.
ArbitraryWater
03-01-2023, 10:28 AM
How is he hurting the offense when he's put up 16/6/9 on 64%TS (53/44/100 splits) in these 3 games? He had a bunch of TOs in Game 1 though 3-4 of them weren't even his fault and he was a +6 in that one.
What does his contract have to do with anything? They got him for a minimum bro.. It's on the coach to put him in the right role and not have him out there at the end of games. Everyone talked about how Gordon & Mann were so much better yet those guys have been so much worse in these 3 games, but Russ still gets all the blame because he's Lebrons ex-teammate and y'all just want to keep trashing him as he's such an easy target. Truth is that Russ has played better than expected as a buyout player. They've played 3 really good teams so it's a little early to start panicking.
Who cares if they got him for the minimum, they still made him their starting PG :oldlol:
Youre boasting some of the most basic stats there are as if thats how basketball is played or thats all there is to it.
The guy was -12 against Denver and -5 last night.
Both times performing below the teams output with him off the floor.
Do you really not get why? Its not rocket science.
ImKobe
03-01-2023, 10:38 AM
Who cares if they got him for the minimum, they still made him their starting PG :oldlol:
Youre boasting some of the most basic stats there are as if thats how basketball is played or thats all there is to it.
The guy was -12 against Denver and -5 last night.
Both times performing below the teams output with him off the floor.
Do you really not get why? Its not rocket science.
Westbrook is not the one managing his minutes. They got him at a minimum and it's on the coach to figure out the right rotations. They needed a playmaker and he was the best option at that price. Mann, Gordon nor Hyland can run an offense so Lue has to figure out how to use Russ to maximize his strengths. I think he's getting too many minutes against the better teams, he shouldn't be out there late in the 4th if it's a close game but his production so far has been better than expected. Defense has been a bigger issue with him on the court, but not necessarily on the perimeter, where opponents are shooting around 36% like in the minutes when he's also sitting. I'd like to see more of Batum at the 5 with them playing small ball when Russ is on the court and limit that to about 20 minutes.
Currently they have a +15 Net Rating with Russ & Batum both on the court (130 ORTG, 115 DRTG) in 35 minutes. They've struggled on both ends when Russ has been on the court without him. The sample size is small ofc but I think Lue will either be forced to start Batum or bench Russ, I don't think he should be out there with another non-shooter on the floor.
ArbitraryWater
03-01-2023, 10:47 AM
Westbrook is not the one managing his minutes. They got him at a minimum and it's on the coach to figure out the right rotations. They needed a playmaker and he was the best option at that price. Mann, Gordon nor Hyland can run an offense so Lue has to figure out how to use Russ to maximize his strengths. I think he's getting too many minutes against the better teams, he shouldn't be out there late in the 4th if it's a close game but his production so far has been better than expected. Defense has been a bigger issue with him on the court, but not necessarily on the perimeter, where opponents are shooting around 36% like in the minutes when he's also sitting. I'd like to see more of Batum at the 5 with them playing small ball when Russ is on the court and limit that to about 20 minutes.
Currently they have a +15 Net Rating with Russ & Batum both on the court (130 ORTG, 115 DRTG) in 35 minutes. They've struggled on both ends when Russ has been on the court without him. The sample size is small ofc but I think Lue will either be forced to start Batum or bench Russ, I don't think he should be out there with another non-shooter on the floor.
Again, youre taking about things that are not relevant.
No one cares who manages his minutes. Hes having a negative impact. Thats what matters.
Throwing out an obscure +15 net rating with him and Batum on court in 35 minutes of play :roll:
This is a new low even for you.
Funny how ImKobe always vouches for players who obviously have negative impacts with their respective teams. Like westbrook, irving and such.
ArbitraryWater
03-01-2023, 10:48 AM
Funny how ImKobe always vouches for players who obviously have negative impacts with their respective teams. Like westbrook, irving and such.
Big Ingram fan too.
loves to overhype egoistical chuckers. Hes a Kobetard after all
Big Ingram fan too.
loves to overhype egoistical chuckers. Hes a Kobetard after all
He generay has weird ass takes when it comes to basketba. Despite having decent knowedge about the said sport.
ImKobe
03-01-2023, 10:53 AM
Again, youre taking about things that are not relevant.
No one cares who manages his minutes. Hes having a negative impact. Thats what matters.
Throwing out an obscure +15 net rating with him and Batum on court in 35 minutes of play :roll:
This is a new low even for you.
Are all Lebron fans this dense?
You could make almost any non-superstar look bad in the wrong rotations. We know Russ has limited range so the most optimal way to use him is to play 5 out when he's on the court.
Btw, when Lebron and Westbrook were on the court with AD on the bench, the Lakers had a +10 Net Rating in 431 minutes of sample size. Heck, even when the 3 were all on the court they had a +2 Net Rating in 300 minutes. That's what happens when you use a player the right way. 99.9% of these guys have their flaws and it's up to the coaches to play them in the right rotations and use them the right way to maximize their talents. It's like you've never watched basketball before, or you just don't understand the game beyond the most basic level.
ImKobe
03-01-2023, 10:56 AM
Funny how ImKobe always vouches for players who obviously have negative impacts with their respective teams. Like westbrook, irving and such.
Nets with Irving: +4.4 Net Rating
Nets without Irving: -3.01 Net Rating
Mavs with Irving: +9.58 Net Rating
Mavs without Irving: +0.2 Net Rating
Are all Lebron fans this dense?
You could make almost any non-superstar look bad in the wrong rotations. We know Russ has limited range so the most optimal way to use him is to play 5 out when he's on the court.
Btw, when Lebron and Westbrook were on the court with AD on the bench, the Lakers had a +10 Net Rating in 431 minutes of sample size. Heck, even when the 3 were all on the court they had a +2 Net Rating in 300 minutes. That's what happens when you use a player the right way. 99.9% of these guys have their flaws and it's up to the coaches to play them in the right rotations and use them the right way to maximize their talents. It's like you've never watched basketball before, or you just don't understand the game beyond the most basic level.
I can understand why you try to defend AD until now. But when you try to do the same thing about russ, it's as if he's done significant things during the playoffs in the last five years when in reality he didn't. :oldlol:
Nets with Irving: +4.4 Net Rating
Nets without Irving: -3.01 Net Rating
Mavs with Irving: +9.58 Net Rating
Mavs without Irving: +0.2 Net Rating
And the mavs' record since irving started playing for them is?
ImKobe
03-01-2023, 11:03 AM
I can understand why you try to defend AD until now. But when you try to do the same thing about russ, it's as if he's done significant things during the playoffs in the last five years when in reality he didn't. :oldlol:
And how many teams has he been on that had a legitimate chance at winning anything in this time frame? When he had an injured Paul George against Portland in OKC? When he was injured himself when he played in Houston in the bubble? Last year when Bran & AD both struggled to stay on the court with no depth on the team?
Was he supposed to beat Houston in 2017 when his team had a -60 Net Rating (+3 with him on) with him off the court when he averaged 37/12/11?
He's not a perfect player by any means nor the best player on a championship contender but people have gone the other way a little too much. I used to criticize him even during his prime but he's still a great player, and shouldn't be blamed for everything now that he's no longer on a max contract.
ImKobe
03-01-2023, 11:04 AM
And the mavs' record since irving started playing for them is?
Do you understand that they have no depth nor any defense at the rim? Is Irving supposed to do all that as well?
ShawkFactory
03-01-2023, 11:04 AM
How is he hurting the offense when he's put up 16/6/9 on 64%TS (53/44/100 splits) in these 3 games? He had a bunch of TOs in Game 1 though 3-4 of them weren't even his fault and he was a +6 in that one.
What does his contract have to do with anything? They got him for a minimum bro.. It's on the coach to put him in the right role and not have him out there at the end of games. Everyone talked about how Gordon & Mann were so much better yet those guys have been so much worse in these 3 games, but Russ still gets all the blame because he's Lebrons ex-teammate and y'all just want to keep trashing him as he's such an easy target. Truth is that Russ has played better than expected as a buyout player. They've played 3 really good teams so it's a little early to start panicking.
No meaningful moments at all. Dude's a butcher
BigShotBob
03-01-2023, 11:12 AM
Clippers just had a couple of rough games. Nuggets had their number and the Kings played out of their minds. Looking at their schedule ahead they can rattle off a few wins for sure
SouBeachTalents
03-01-2023, 11:17 AM
And how many teams has he been on that had a legitimate chance at winning anything in this time frame? When he had an injured Paul George against Portland in OKC? When he was injured himself when he played in Houston in the bubble? Last year when Bran & AD both struggled to stay on the court with no depth on the team?
Was he supposed to beat Houston in 2017 when his team had a -60 Net Rating (+3 with him on) with him off the court when he averaged 37/12/11?
He's not a perfect player by any means nor the best player on a championship contender but people have gone the other way a little too much. I used to criticize him even during his prime but he's still a great player, and shouldn't be blamed for everything now that he's no longer on a max contract.
:biggums:
1987_Lakers
03-01-2023, 11:19 AM
Imkobe still defending every ex LeBron teammate no matter how foolish he looks.
Remember when he said Ingram > Tatum?
ShawkFactory
03-01-2023, 11:22 AM
Imkobe still defending every ex LeBron teammate no matter how foolish he looks.
Remember when he said Ingram > Tatum?
That was like....recently.
How can anyone in their right mind watch Westbrook play on the Lakers and say "this is the guy we need" lol. Laker fans were screaming to him not to shoot, people left the place on the LAST possession on a 1-point game when he got the ball, opponents were telling their teammates not to defend him because "He's with us". I mean, the guy has 5 hrs of the worst TO's ever done in the NBA every single season.
I get that he was an awful fit with the Lakers and the Clippers have shooters and he's also not on a big contract, but still. Every single decision he has to make, he makes the wrong one. Every possession where he gets the ball you are wondering what kind of nonsense will come out now and the whole team is tense because they know he's gonna screw up and they'll have to run back evenn when no one is defending him. I also think he's partially blind, because its impossible for even a random person who never played basketball to hit MULTIPLE times the top of the backboard from 2ft away while trying to score.
That being said, i hope he does well with the Clippers because he didnt deserve all the blame on the Lakers, the whole roster was trash and didn't fit.
HylianNightmare
03-01-2023, 12:22 PM
Shocker, said no one ever
StrongLurk
03-01-2023, 12:47 PM
Arby you still think Lakers are championship contenders. You can't call anyone out for "not paying attention".
ArbitraryWater
03-01-2023, 01:10 PM
He's not a perfect player by any means nor the best player on a championship contender but people have gone the other way a little too much. I used to criticize him even during his prime but he's still a great player, and shouldn't be blamed for everything now that he's no longer on a max contract.
wtf :roll::roll:
ImKobe
03-01-2023, 03:58 PM
wtf :roll::roll:
Exactly. You have nothing to counter the data I provided. Keep trashing a minimum player for not carrying a team that has two superstars on it though.
Imkobe still defending every ex LeBron teammate no matter how foolish he looks.
Remember when he said Ingram > Tatum?
Ingram being injured has nothing to do with his actual basketball ability. Skill-wise I argued that they're not that much apart, with Tatum having an edge on O and Ingram being a more complete offensive player but there's nothing to argue this year when he's been injured and is slowly starting to get himself back in shape.
Exactly. You have nothing to counter the data I provided. Keep trashing a minimum player for not carrying a team that has two superstars on it though.
Ingram being injured has nothing to do with his actual basketball ability. Skill-wise I argued that they're not that much apart, with Tatum having an edge on O and Ingram being a more complete offensive player but there's nothing to argue this year when he's been injured and is slowly starting to get himself back in shape.
Try to make a case CURRENT Westbrook is a great player. You can’t use anything that happened from 2011-18.
As for Ingram even when he’s healthy he’s never played close to the level Tatum is playing at this year. You would look way less stupid if you could just admit when you’re wrong. Tatum is closer to Jokic and Giannis than he is to Ingram.
ImKobe
03-01-2023, 04:38 PM
Try to make a case CURRENT Westbrook is a great player. You can’t use anything that happened from 2011-18.
As for Ingram even when he’s healthy he’s never played close to the level Tatum is playing at this year. You would look way less stupid if you could just admit when you’re wrong. Tatum is closer to Jokic and Giannis than he is to Ingram.
I meant great in terms of his entire career overall, not this season. People have been trashing him since the early 2010s (me included in some instances) though some of it is definitely warranted and those bad tendencies of his tend to worsen as a star player of his caliber declines. He had his moments from 19-21. He regained his superstar ability in Houston when they played 5 out but was dealing with a quad injury & had COVID going into the bubble and didn't play until the tail-end of the OKC series and clearly wasn't healthy. Dragging a mediocre Washington squad to the POs when they had next to no chance at one point in the season was a great RS achievement for him IMO.
We saw what BI was capable of last season, he took a squad that was 7 - 20 without him to the POs with Zion out. He's had terrible luck with the concussion & the toe injury this year so obviously I wouldn't make a case for him based on what we've seen so far this year.
And I have to disagree on that last part. JT is playing with the best supporting cast in the league and he's carrying less of a load as the guys who are actually MVP-level. When Celtics had a historic start from the 3 to start the season he was in some MVP talks but it quickly faded on the next MVP poll around ASB. Idk how you could watch Tatum on a regular basis and think he's actually closer to being an ATG than a borderline top 10 player in the league.
Tatum over his last 15 games is averaging 27.4 ppg on 42/35/86 splits/57%TS. Ingram since returning from injury is putting up 25.5 on 45/33/89 splits/54%TS and he's just recently started looking like his old self after being out for ~2 months with 28/5/4 averages on 49/42/88 splits/58%TS in the month of February. I will say that Tatum has a higher ceiling than BI but I haven't seen him develop his mid-range game to the point where I'd put him miles ahead of Ingram in terms of pure bball/offensive skill. In fact he's almost completely abandoned the mid-range this season and he's sub-40% when he does shoot them. You might tell me that it doesn't matter in today's game but it does in the POs when defenses aren't giving you easy transition buckets or wide open 3s. Tatum had a Finals run with a 17.6 PER and a low RAPTOR score, that's not what an ATG/superstar does as a #1 option on a team where he's the only player of that caliber. If I had to pick between the two I'd obviously go with Tatum based on his durability right now.
ShawkFactory
03-01-2023, 04:46 PM
I meant great in terms of his entire career overall, not this season. People have been trashing him since the early 2010s (me included in some instances) though some of it is definitely warranted and those bad tendencies of his tend to worsen as a star player of his caliber declines. He had his moments from 19-21. He regained his superstar ability in Houston when they played 5 out but was dealing with a quad injury & had COVID going into the bubble and didn't play until the tail-end of the OKC series and clearly wasn't healthy. Dragging a mediocre Washington squad to the POs when they had next to no chance at one point in the season was a great RS achievement for him IMO.
We saw what BI was capable of last season, he took a squad that was 7 - 20 without him to the POs with Zion out. He's had terrible luck with the concussion & the toe injury this year so obviously I wouldn't make a case for him based on what we've seen so far this year.
And I have to disagree on that last part. JT is playing with the best supporting cast in the league and he's carrying less of a load as the guys who are actually MVP-level. When Celtics had a historic start from the 3 to start the season he was in some MVP talks but it quickly faded on the next MVP poll around ASB. Idk how you could watch Tatum on a regular basis and think he's actually closer to being an ATG than a borderline top 10 player in the league.
Tatum over his last 15 games is averaging 27.4 ppg on 42/35/86 splits/57%TS. Ingram since returning from injury is putting up 25.5 on 45/33/89 splits/54%TS and he's just recently started looking like his old self after being out for ~2 months with 28/5/4 averages on 49/42/88 splits/58%TS in the month of February. I will say that Tatum has a higher ceiling than BI but I haven't seen him develop his mid-range game to the point where I'd put him miles ahead of Ingram in terms of pure bball/offensive skill. In fact he's almost completely abandoned the mid-range this season and he's sub-40% when he does shoot them. You might tell me that it doesn't matter in today's game but it does in the POs when defenses aren't giving you easy transition buckets or wide open 3s. Tatum had a Finals run with a 17.6 PER and a low RAPTOR score, that's not what an ATG/superstar does as a #1 option on a team where he's the only player of that caliber. If I had to pick between the two I'd obviously go with Tatum based on his durability right now.
Why does that matter? You always selectively pick a set of games as if that tells the story.
When playing well, Tatum is capable of impacting a game at a higher level than Ingram is. This isn't really arguable.
SouBeachTalents
03-01-2023, 04:56 PM
I meant great in terms of his entire career overall, not this season. People have been trashing him since the early 2010s (me included in some instances) though some of it is definitely warranted and those bad tendencies of his tend to worsen as a star player of his caliber declines. He had his moments from 19-21. He regained his superstar ability in Houston when they played 5 out but was dealing with a quad injury & had COVID going into the bubble and didn't play until the tail-end of the OKC series and clearly wasn't healthy. Dragging a mediocre Washington squad to the POs when they had next to no chance at one point in the season was a great RS achievement for him IMO.
We saw what BI was capable of last season, he took a squad that was 7 - 20 without him to the POs with Zion out. He's had terrible luck with the concussion & the toe injury this year so obviously I wouldn't make a case for him based on what we've seen so far this year.
And I have to disagree on that last part. JT is playing with the best supporting cast in the league and he's carrying less of a load as the guys who are actually MVP-level. When Celtics had a historic start from the 3 to start the season he was in some MVP talks but it quickly faded on the next MVP poll around ASB. Idk how you could watch Tatum on a regular basis and think he's actually closer to being an ATG than a borderline top 10 player in the league.
Tatum over his last 15 games is averaging 27.4 ppg on 42/35/86 splits/57%TS. Ingram since returning from injury is putting up 25.5 on 45/33/89 splits/54%TS and he's just recently started looking like his old self after being out for ~2 months with 28/5/4 averages on 49/42/88 splits/58%TS in the month of February. I will say that Tatum has a higher ceiling than BI but I haven't seen him develop his mid-range game to the point where I'd put him miles ahead of Ingram in terms of pure bball/offensive skill. In fact he's almost completely abandoned the mid-range this season and he's sub-40% when he does shoot them. You might tell me that it doesn't matter in today's game but it does in the POs when defenses aren't giving you easy transition buckets or wide open 3s. Tatum had a Finals run with a 17.6 PER and a low RAPTOR score, that's not what an ATG/superstar does as a #1 option on a team where he's the only player of that caliber. If I had to pick between the two I'd obviously go with Tatum based on his durability right now.
Do you really not perceive how ridiculous the cherrypicking you do is :lol You do this consistently in the majority of your posts, you narrow things down to some cherrypicked, often completely arbitrary/meaningless timeframe that ignores the big picture.
Seriously, Tatum BLOWS away Ingram at this point lol. He's been better for years now, but now it's become a legitimately laughable comparison. And I'm honestly not even saying this to knock Ingram, it's more a reflection of how much better Tatum is now than him.
You're out here literally arguing a guy averaging 23/5/5 on 56%TS is comparable to a guy averaging 30/8/5 on 60%TS with much better defense and superior advanced metrics across the board.
And how many teams has he been on that had a legitimate chance at winning anything in this time frame? When he had an injured Paul George against Portland in OKC? When he was injured himself when he played in Houston in the bubble? Last year when Bran & AD both struggled to stay on the court with no depth on the team?
Was he supposed to beat Houston in 2017 when his team had a -60 Net Rating (+3 with him on) with him off the court when he averaged 37/12/11?
He's not a perfect player by any means nor the best player on a championship contender but people have gone the other way a little too much. I used to criticize him even during his prime but he's still a great player, and shouldn't be blamed for everything now that he's no longer on a max contract.
Still doesn't change the fact that he hasn't won anything before. He should have stayed with the wizards instead imo. At least they made it to the playoffs but teams are so stupid they eagerly shown that they've become interested with him despite the limited value he offers nowadays.
ImKobe
03-01-2023, 05:15 PM
Do you really not perceive how ridiculous the cherrypicking you do is :lol You do this consistently in the majority of your posts, you narrow things down to some cherrypicked, often completely arbitrary/meaningless timeframe that ignores the big picture.
Seriously, Tatum BLOWS away Ingram at this point lol. He's been better for years now, but now it's become a legitimately laughable comparison. And I'm honestly not even saying this to knock Ingram, it's more a reflection of how much better Tatum is now than him.
You're out here literally arguing a guy averaging 23/5/5 on 56%TS is comparable to a guy averaging 30/8/5 on 60%TS with much better defense and superior advanced metrics across the board.
Cherry-picking what? Ingram has played 12 games in the last 2+ months. He's been playing well recently and closer to Tatum's level than people want to admit, but one's playing on the most stacked team in the league lol. Look at NO's 3PT shooters and their versatility on defense vs. what Boston has. Pels are actually solid on defense when healthy but that hasn't really been the case. They had I believe a top 5 offense & defense for a while there prior to injuries.
Yes, I'm supposed to count the two games where he played 10 minutes and had to leave early due to injury. I shouldn't be looking at his recent play back from injury when he's finally looking healthy. Nope.
Tatum "BLOWS" away Ingram, yet BI just last season took a team that was 7 - 20 without him and 29 - 26 with him to the POs and played a solid series vs. the best team RS team in the league. Tatum made a Finals run with mediocre offensive numbers (considering you guys put him at a top 5 level) and you guys can't help but suck him off at every turn. If it had been BI in Tatum's place you'd be crushing him for that Finals performance. Tatum is supposed to be closer to guys like Jokic & Giannis yet he put up 21.5 ppg on 37/46/66 splits/48.1%TS in the Finals lol. He was mediocre offensively in every series after crushing a horrible BKN defense that played 3 guards. "Oh but he was playing hurt!", well you don't care that Ingram and Zion have both been injured and have barely played together this season.
You just quoted a post of me saying that I'd rather have Tatum right now based on his health and what he's done this season, crying about the context that I provided, while giving me nothing of substance in return. Thanks. And FYI this thread isn't even about Ingram, but the low-level trolls who can't refute the data I gave about WB have to resort to derailing the whole thread in order to get some "W" in their minds.
Do you understand that they have no depth nor any defense at the rim? Is Irving supposed to do all that as well?
I think it's fair you answer my question first before you try to ask yours.
:kobe:
Do you really not perceive how ridiculous the cherrypicking you do is :lol You do this consistently in the majority of your posts, you narrow things down to some cherrypicked, often completely arbitrary/meaningless timeframe that ignores the big picture.
Seriously, Tatum BLOWS away Ingram at this point lol. He's been better for years now, but now it's become a legitimately laughable comparison. And I'm honestly not even saying this to knock Ingram, it's more a reflection of how much better Tatum is now than him.
You're out here literally arguing a guy averaging 23/5/5 on 56%TS is comparable to a guy averaging 30/8/5 on 60%TS with much better defense and superior advanced metrics across the board.
:yaohappy:
And yet he’ll still argue it because he literally can’t admit when he’s wrong.
ShawkFactory
03-01-2023, 05:21 PM
Regarding Tatum's last 15 games: 16 games ago he had 51 :lol
In the 15 previous games he was at 33.5 ppg on 48/35/88 splits.
ImKobe
03-01-2023, 05:21 PM
Still doesn't change the fact that he hasn't won anything before. He should have stayed with the wizards instead imo. At least they made it to the playoffs but teams are so stupid they eagerly shown that they've become interested with him despite the limited value he offers nowadays.
I agree. I would have loved to see him in Washington. WB has made the Finals and been apart of multiple deep Playoff runs so it's not like he's never won in the POs before, but it's easy to forget when it's been like 8 years since the last time that happened. CP3 is a much better all-around player and even he took forever to make it past the 2nd round.
ImKobe
03-01-2023, 05:22 PM
:yaohappy:
And yet he’ll still argue it because he literally can’t admit when he’s wrong.
Like I said, I haven't argued this season. You guys can't read though.
ImKobe
03-01-2023, 05:27 PM
Regarding Tatum's last 15 games: 16 games ago he had 51 :lol
In the 15 previous games he was at 33.5 ppg on 48/35/88 splits.
Doesn't change the fact that Ingram's actually been the better scorer in the month of February. I just wanted to compare what they had done in this recent stretch as both have been playing ball. I was actually generous to Tatum by going 15 games because if I just cherry-picked February for him he's actually put up 25.5 ppg on 43/36/83 splits/57.3%TS in his last 10 games. He hasn't been getting to the line as much as he did before.
Again, Tatum has obviously been much better this season because he's actually been healthy. There's no debate.
ShawkFactory
03-01-2023, 05:30 PM
Doesn't change the fact that Ingram's actually been the better scorer in the month of February. I just wanted to compare what they had done in this recent stretch as both have been playing ball. I was actually generous to Tatum by going 15 games because if I just cherry-picked February for him he's actually put up 25.5 ppg on 43/36/83 splits/57.3%TS in his last 10 games. He hasn't been getting to the line as much as he did before.
Again, Tatum has obviously been much better this season because he's actually been healthy. There's no debate.
The point is that this doesn't matter. It's a long season that has ebbs and flows, nagging aches and pains, varying levels of focus, etc.
Everyone has periods within a season where they aren't playing their best ball, and vice versa. Cherry-picking these is silly.
SouBeachTalents
03-01-2023, 05:32 PM
Doesn't change the fact that Ingram's actually been the better scorer in the month of February. I just wanted to compare what they had done in this recent stretch as both have been playing ball. I was actually generous to Tatum by going 15 games because if I just cherry-picked February for him he's actually put up 25.5 ppg on 43/36/83 splits/57.3%TS in his last 10 games. He hasn't been getting to the line as much as he did before.
Again, Tatum has obviously been much better this season because he's actually been healthy. There's no debate.
That just sounds like a copout. A healthy Ingram isn't coming close to matching Tatum's level of play or production this season. Relying on a 9 game sample size as an argument isn't gonna cut it. The dude has never even averaged 24 ppg 7 years into his career. :lol
That just sounds like a copout. A healthy Ingram isn't coming close to matching Tatum's level of play or production this season. Relying on a 9 game sample size as an argument isn't gonna cut it. The dude has never even averaged 24 ppg 7 years into his career. :lol
But he could totally average 30 PPG while significantly increasing his efficiency because reasons.
ImKobe
03-01-2023, 08:22 PM
That just sounds like a copout. A healthy Ingram isn't coming close to matching Tatum's level of play or production this season. Relying on a 9 game sample size as an argument isn't gonna cut it. The dude has never even averaged 24 ppg 7 years into his career. :lol
Key being HEALTHY. I'm not taking BI over JT based on their season production so idk what else you want from me. If you asked me who's more skilled I'd go with the guy who has a better all-around offensive game and that's BI. His lack of durability at this point has not made it a legitimate convo and I've acknowledged it but y'all keep annoying me about this shit so I respond every now & then and y'all still don't get it.
Neither are in that very elite tier and Tatum doesn't have the all-around offensive game to be a true #1 on a championship team until he becomes a thread from mid-range. That's it. I'm done with this dumb shit since y'all had to derail the Russ topic as you won't criticize the OP for his dumb take.
ShawkFactory
03-01-2023, 08:32 PM
Key being HEALTHY. I'm not taking BI over JT based on their season production so idk what else you want from me. If you asked me who's more skilled I'd go with the guy who has a better all-around offensive game and that's BI. His lack of durability at this point has not made it a legitimate convo and I've acknowledged it but y'all keep annoying me about this shit so I respond every now & then and y'all still don't get it.
Neither are in that very elite tier and Tatum doesn't have the all-around offensive game to be a true #1 on a championship team until he becomes a thread from mid-range. That's it. I'm done with this dumb shit since y'all had to derail the Russ topic as you won't criticize the OP for his dumb take.
Yea I don't think that anyone believes that you think Ingram is having a better season
That's not the discussion.
AlternativeAcc.
03-01-2023, 08:34 PM
Key being HEALTHY. I'm not taking BI over JT based on their season production so idk what else you want from me. If you asked me who's more skilled I'd go with the guy who has a better all-around offensive game and that's BI. His lack of durability at this point has not made it a legitimate convo and I've acknowledged it but y'all keep annoying me about this shit so I respond every now & then and y'all still don't get it.
Neither are in that very elite tier and Tatum doesn't have the all-around offensive game to be a true #1 on a championship team until he becomes a thread from mid-range. That's it. I'm done with this dumb shit since y'all had to derail the Russ topic as you won't criticize the OP for his dumb take.
If you stop defending players like westbrick and irrelevant Ingram you will be far less frustrated. Mentally free. Try it sometime, it's amazing. Only defend good players
SouBeachTalents
03-01-2023, 08:42 PM
Key being HEALTHY. I'm not taking BI over JT based on their season production so idk what else you want from me. If you asked me who's more skilled I'd go with the guy who has a better all-around offensive game and that's BI. His lack of durability at this point has not made it a legitimate convo and I've acknowledged it but y'all keep annoying me about this shit so I respond every now & then and y'all still don't get it.
Neither are in that very elite tier and Tatum doesn't have the all-around offensive game to be a true #1 on a championship team until he becomes a thread from mid-range. That's it. I'm done with this dumb shit since y'all had to derail the Russ topic as you won't criticize the OP for his dumb take.
You just don't seem to grasp that injury has nothing to do with it. I'll repeat, a healthy Ingram is never producing at the level Tatum currently is. 7 years into his career he has literally never come close to doing it. He hasn't even cracked 24 ppg in an era where everybody is going for 25-30.
Sure, Tatum is not in the Giannis/Jokic/Luka/Embiid tier, but he is a unanimous top 10 player right now, while I don't even think Ingram would rank in the top 25 or 30. We've been debating him and Tatum this whole time, but I would take Jaylen Brown over him too :lol
Tatum 41/11/8 and the W against an elite defense and one of the better teams in the league (Cavs). So much for that slump
tontoz
03-01-2023, 11:12 PM
Tatum 41/11/8 and the W against an elite defense and one of the better teams in the league (Cavs). So much for that slump
Imkobe won't sleep well tonight
Imkobe won't sleep well tonight
Hey just wait till Ingram puts up 25/4/3 on 10-24 against the Blazers later tonight!
ImKobe
03-02-2023, 07:00 AM
Hey just wait till Ingram puts up 25/4/3 on 10-24 against the Blazers later tonight!
lol..
What do you guys have against Ingram man.. he's been through so many stupid injuries and his teams have had the worst injury luck. Are you just going to root against him because he was in the AD trade and played with Lebron for like 40 games when Bran missed the POs?
ImKobe
03-02-2023, 07:05 AM
You just don't seem to grasp that injury has nothing to do with it. I'll repeat, a healthy Ingram is never producing at the level Tatum currently is. 7 years into his career he has literally never come close to doing it. He hasn't even cracked 24 ppg in an era where everybody is going for 25-30.
Sure, Tatum is not in the Giannis/Jokic/Luka/Embiid tier, but he is a unanimous top 10 player right now, while I don't even think Ingram would rank in the top 25 or 30. We've been debating him and Tatum this whole time, but I would take Jaylen Brown over him too :lol
He hasn't been healthy. That's the issue. Skill-wise I'll take take low-volume 3PT shooter who can go high 30s/low 40s on 3s and who's also capable of being an elite volume mid-range shooter. Jaylen Brown is legit too he's basically as good as Tatum but didn't get handed the keys. He played just as good as JT when it mattered in the POs.
Tatum is a mediocre volume 3PT shooter with no mid-range game. I'm not going to pick his skillset over BI's. That's just how it is.
lol..
What do you guys have against Ingram man.. he's been through so many stupid injuries and his teams have had the worst injury luck. Are you just going to root against him because he was in the AD trade and played with Lebron for like 40 games when Bran missed the POs?
Lmao you really do have some fetish for insignificant players.
ImKobe
03-02-2023, 08:02 AM
Lmao you really do have some fetish for insignificant players.
They're all insignificant if you wanna be real about it. It's just basketball. Some of y'all don't seem to care about the game at all though. BI can get 40 on 66%TS with just 1 three and 3 FTs. Tatum needs a whistle and a hot 3PT shooting night.
They're all insignificant if you wanna be real about it. It's just basketball. Some of y'all don't seem to care about the game at all though. BI can get 40 on 66%TS with just 1 three and 3 FTs. Tatum needs a whistle and a hot 3PT shooting night.
And his team would still end up losing? :confusedshrug: :oldlol:
By that logic, kong can score 45 on 19/27 shooting. But as usual, you wouldn't bat an eye because it's just him.
ImKobe
03-02-2023, 09:27 AM
And his team would still end up losing? :confusedshrug: :oldlol:
By that logic, kong can score 45 on 19/27 shooting. But as usual, you wouldn't bat an eye because it's just him.
He just won on the road with half of his team sitting out (JV, Zion, Nance, Jose) against Portland with a 40-piece lol, maybe try watching some games..
https://youtu.be/LKdrIc9HHco
None of that gimmick 3PT/foul-baiting shit.
He just won on the road with half of his team sitting out (JV, Zion, Nance, Jose) against Portland with a 40-piece lol, maybe try watching some games..
https://youtu.be/LKdrIc9HHco
None of that gimmick 3PT/foul-baiting shit.
So just a one-game sample size? And against a losing team too? Lmao.
I get that he has a handful of great performances. But to many, it wouldn't matter that much unless it's done in the postseason.
BigShotBob
03-02-2023, 03:13 PM
He just won on the road with half of his team sitting out (JV, Zion, Nance, Jose) against Portland with a 40-piece lol, maybe try watching some games..
https://youtu.be/LKdrIc9HHco
None of that gimmick 3PT/foul-baiting shit.
Lol I thought I was the only one that noticed how Tatum became more reliant on foul baiting by stretching his arms out to initiate contact on every drive and his constant need to settle for 3's
j3lademaster
03-02-2023, 03:25 PM
How the hell did this thread turn into Ingram vs Tatum?
Nike D'Antoni
03-03-2023, 01:29 AM
How the hell did this thread turn into Ingram vs Tatum?
I dont know
1987_Lakers
03-03-2023, 01:37 AM
I dont know
I'm having a hard time figuring you out. In another thread it seems like you are rooting for Russ, but then you bump this thread to gather attention to the fact that the Clippers are now 0-4 with him.
Replay32
03-03-2023, 02:30 AM
You can't just bring up Westbrooks stats to evaluate him. You have the watch the games. Watch how the defense plays him. Watch his momentum killing, untimely turnovers. Watch his missed layups/dunks. Defenses don't guard him. They will put a center on him, not guard him and pack the paint and have an extra help defender. Having Russ on the floor makes it harder for your 3 point shooters to get good looks because the Clippers are basically playing 4 on 5 offensively. This is why it's difficult to play him down the stretch of games. You also have to worry about his live ball turnovers. For every play Russ makes that's good, he'll make 3 bad ones after that.
I honestly don't know why the Clippers acquired him. They saw 1 and half season with the Lakers. To bring him in and start him wasn't smart. Their chemistry is off. They may have enough time to build it up, but I don't see them going far in the playoffs. Just my opinion. They were better before getting him.
BarberSchool
03-03-2023, 03:12 AM
You can't just bring up Westbrooks stats to evaluate him. You have the watch the games. Watch how the defense plays him. Watch his momentum killing, untimely turnovers. Watch his missed layups/dunks. Defenses don't guard him. They will put a center on him, not guard him and pack the paint and have an extra help defender. Having Russ on the floor makes it harder for your 3 point shooters to get good looks because the Clippers are basically playing 4 on 5 offensively. This is why it's difficult to play him down the stretch of games. You also have to worry about his live ball turnovers. For every play Russ makes that's good, he'll make 3 bad ones after that.
I honestly don't know why the Clippers acquired him. They saw 1 and half season with the Lakers. To bring him in and start him wasn't smart. Their chemistry is off. They may have enough time to build it up, but I don't see them going far in the playoffs. Just my opinion. They were better before getting him.
Fully agreed on all points.
Manny98
03-03-2023, 03:45 AM
He played ok the first 3 games tbf
ArbitraryWater
03-03-2023, 06:18 AM
0-4.
3-12, 0-5 from 3
Akeem34TheDream
03-03-2023, 07:15 AM
Clippers front office is one of the worst in the league
Wardell Curry
03-03-2023, 07:22 AM
By all accounts, Russell Westbrook is a terrific human being that deserves to be treated with respect. He might be one of the best guys in the NBA.
That being said, Westbrook at this point in his career does not fit on a team with other star players. He disrupts your entire team's offense and sucks the wind out of the building which bleeds into the defense as well, obviously. The fact that there are still respected posters on this board and NBA level star players and front offices & coaches that haven't figured this out is a bit puzzling.
If he's going to remain in the NBA, he needs to be on a team with 3 or 4 role playing shooters that play defense so that he can be the focal point of the offense and everyone expects it. He is a substantially inferior version of LeBron James in that regard.
ArbitraryWater
03-03-2023, 07:37 AM
https://youtu.be/amSGOsHYMaY
ImKobe
03-03-2023, 07:51 AM
0-4.
3-12, 0-5 from 3
PG 3-15 w/ 1-8 from 3, Clippers go 9/43 from 3 overall
He's a minimum player, if the Clippers signed him to make him the #1 guy and to put everything on him then we should be laughing at them & not Russ. They have one of the deepest rosters in the league and didn't sacrifice their depth for Russ like the Lakers did. I don't care how bad Russ is, he shouldn't be the deciding factor in these games and this was his first BAD game.
Kawhi & Mann both -24.. they're still trying to play Russ with non-shooters out there as well which makes it easy for teams like GS to pack the paint smh. Lue doesn't know what he's doing.
Are teams really just this dumb? Why are they not using him as a screener more? Do they not see how GS is using Dray on the other end? DHO should be his bread & butter at this point but these teams can't figure it out.
Wardell Curry
03-03-2023, 07:55 AM
PG 3-15 w/ 1-8 from 3, Clippers go 9/43 from 3 overall
He's a minimum player, if the Clippers signed him to make him the #1 guy and to put everything on him then we should be laughing at them & not Russ. They have one of the deepest rosters in the league and didn't sacrifice their depth for Russ like the Lakers did. I don't care how bad Russ is, he shouldn't be the deciding factor in these games and this was his first BAD game.
Kawhi & Mann both -24.. they're still trying to play Russ with non-shooters out there as well which makes it easy for teams like GS to pack the paint smh. Lue doesn't know what he's doing.
Are teams really just this dumb? Why are they not using him as a screener more? Do they not see how GS is using Dray on the other end? DHO should be his bread & butter at this point but these teams can't figure it out.
No offense, but watch the games.
ImKobe
03-03-2023, 08:13 AM
No offense, but watch the games.
He wasn't the reason they got blown tf out in the 2nd half (he was on the bench for most of that Warriors' 3rd quarter run) but even in that 1st half they weren't getting the best out of him with the line-ups they ran. Him & Batum again worked really well together but for some reason they're refusing to use that combo more when it's the only one that's worked in these 4 games.
You can't put this game on Russ but you know damn well everyone's just going to highlight his boxscore and ignore the fact that they got blown out when he was on the bench. Clippers were up 3 when he sat mid-way in the 3rd and the Warriors ended that quarter on a 24 - 6 run.
Lol @you still justifying him despite his obvious inferior impact in the game.
coin24
03-03-2023, 08:21 AM
He doesn’t fit at all with this team..
Clippers are stacked with talent but Ty lueser is so unbelievably stupid it’s not funny..
ImKobe
03-03-2023, 08:27 AM
Lol @you still justifying him despite his obvious inferior impact in the game.
Yeah.. he should have tried harder on the bench when the Warriors went on a 24 - 6 run to take control of the game lol.
SATAN
03-03-2023, 09:11 AM
Yeah.. he should have tried harder on the bench when the Warriors went on a 24 - 6 run to take control of the game lol.
Dumber than Full Tard. :oldlol:
:facepalm
ImKobe
03-03-2023, 09:37 AM
Dumber than Full Tard. :oldlol:
:facepalm
Yeah the Clippers didn't get destroyed once he hit the bench lol.. I'm just making it all up.
Maybe your pea-sized brain can't handle the facts.
A vet min player is the reason the Clippers can't win. hahaha.
Indian guy
03-03-2023, 11:32 AM
Yeah the Clippers didn't get destroyed once he hit the bench lol..
They were outscored 18-10 the first 6 minutes of the 3rd qtr with WB on the floor. The game had already changed. He had 0 pts on 0-2 FG, 1 assist, 2 turnovers and a plus/minus of -8 in 7 minutes of 3rd qtr play.
A vet min player is the reason the Clippers can't win. hahaha.
They certainly weren't having any trouble winning prior to acquiring him.
SATAN
03-03-2023, 11:35 AM
Yeah the Clippers didn't get destroyed once he hit the bench lol.. I'm just making it all up.
Maybe your pea-sized brain can't handle the facts.
A vet min player is the reason the Clippers can't win. hahaha.
You've been getting slapped around this forum for the last hour or so. I'm just enjoying your cherry picking and ironic angles completely backfiring time after time. This is a massacre. :oldlol:
Wardell Curry
03-03-2023, 11:36 AM
What does the amount someone is being paid have to do with this conversation? Westbrook is playing the same way whether he's on a $50 million a year deal or $1 million a year deal. What kind of argument is this? What are we even talking about?
$50 million a year hinders his team to make roster changes, yes, but his on the court play is the same whether he's making $1 million or $50 million, which is what this is all about. His on the court play.
None of his personal performance is being dictated by how much money he is making and it has nothing to do with whether he is helping or hurting the team, yet you weirdly keep pretending that it does.
I have to assume this passionate defensive stance has nothing to actually do with Russell Westbrook.
SouBeachTalents
03-03-2023, 11:40 AM
What does the amount someone is being paid have to do with this conversation? Westbrook is playing the same way whether he's on a $50 million a year deal or $1 million a year deal. What kind of argument is this? What are we even talking about? I have to assume this passionate defensive stance has nothing to actually do with Russell Westbrook.
That's what we call grasping for straws :lol I know why he's doing it, but defending the 2023 version of Westbrook is just about the strangest hill to die on.
Indian guy
03-03-2023, 11:49 AM
What does the amount someone is being paid have to do with this conversation?
The hilarious thing is not once do I ever recall him referring to WB's salary when talking about his play as a Laker. Even though it was far and away the worst contract in the league.
The even more pathetic thing is that none of this has anything to do with WB. ImKobe doesn't give 2 shits about him. This is all about LeBron. Kobe fans simply won't tolerate any criticism of current or former teammates of LeBron's. It's their never ending agenda of trying to push all of his teams as "loaded". And if the record doesn't bear that out, it's due LeBron himself somehow holding players back. This argument never works out in their favor though.
ImKobe
03-03-2023, 12:04 PM
They were outscored 18-10 the first 6 minutes of the 3rd qtr with WB on the floor. The game had already changed. He had 0 pts on 0-2 FG, 1 assist, 2 turnovers and a plus/minus of -8 in 7 minutes of 3rd qtr play.
They certainly weren't having any trouble winning prior to acquiring him.
They had a great stretch going into the ASB yet were still just 33 - 28, which means they were a below .500 team 47 games into the season. Now Russ is the only problem, right? We're just going to put the entire season on him if they fall short? They've been worse with him on the bench in 3 out of 4 games but it's all his fault lol. Ok.
ImKobe
03-03-2023, 12:11 PM
The hilarious thing is not once do I ever recall him referring to WB's salary when talking about his play as a Laker. Even though it was far and away the worst contract in the league.
The even more pathetic thing is that none of this has anything to do with WB. ImKobe doesn't give 2 shits about him. This is all about LeBron. Kobe fans simply won't tolerate any criticism of current or former teammates of LeBron's. It's their never ending agenda of trying to push all of his teams as "loaded". And if the record doesn't bear that out, it's due LeBron himself somehow holding players back. This argument never works out in their favor though.
What?
This has NOTHING to do with Lebron. This has everything to do with people piling on Russ for things that are out of his control. Clippers owe him 700k on the season, he has ZERO leverage with them. They can cut him tomorrow if they wanted and do just fine. Apparently their coaching staff is as bad as the Lakers' because they are just as bad at using his skillset to help their team, and they have the depth (unlike the Lakers did!) in order to do so! Clippers gave up NOTHING to have Russ on their squad, how can we still sit here and blame Russ with a straight face when he's playing on one of the deepest teams in the league? We know his limitations but apparently Coach Lue doesn't.
What?
This has NOTHING to do with Lebron. This has everything to do with people piling on Russ for things that are out of his control. Clippers owe him 700k on the season, he has ZERO leverage with them. They can cut him tomorrow if they wanted and do just fine. Apparently their coaching staff is as bad as the Lakers' because they are just as bad at using his skillset to help their team, and they have the depth (unlike the Lakers did!) in order to do so! Clippers gave up NOTHING to have Russ on their squad, how can we still sit here and blame Russ with a straight face when he's playing on one of the deepest teams in the league? We know his limitations but apparently Coach Lue doesn't.
99% of your posts are LeBron related, you fool no one.
Indian guy
03-03-2023, 02:55 PM
They had a great stretch going into the ASB yet were still just 33 - 28, which means they were a below .500 team 47 games into the season.
Yeah, let's just ignore the fact that Kawhi missed 22 of those first 47 games :rolleyes:
Once Kawhi was back for good starting with Game #25 of the season, Clippers were 19-10 with him pre AS break. 10-2 after Game #47 of the season. Now they've suddenly lost 4 games in a row despite Kawhi still playing. I wonder what changed....
ImKobe
03-03-2023, 07:55 PM
99% of your posts are LeBron related, you fool no one.
Seems like that's your agenda. I love trolling the 0 IQ Bran stans here but this is not the case. It's low-hanging fruit for anyone to blame him but the Clippers have just been terrible in general during this 4-game stretch.
GrayGoat
03-03-2023, 08:09 PM
Imkobe is a strange dude hard to have a convo with a ridiculous name like that
ImKobe
03-03-2023, 08:12 PM
Imkobe is a strange dude hard to have a convo with a ridiculous name like that
That's great coming from someone with 10+ alts on a dying message board. You're a loser on ISH and IRL.
SATAN
03-03-2023, 08:49 PM
He's mad. :oldlol:
ImKobe goes digging through basketball-reference for random cherry picked stats only to be completely obliterated by the whole forum. :facepalm
Seems like that's your agenda. I love trolling the 0 IQ Bran stans here but this is not the case. It's low-hanging fruit for anyone to blame him but the Clippers have just been terrible in general during this 4-game stretch.
Pretty much everyone on this board who doesn't hate LeBron thinks you have a weird obsession with pushing an anti-LeBron agenda. I've seen multiple posters call you out for this who aren't even LeBron fans. Stop playing dumb, it's embarrassing. Would respect you more if you'd just be honest.
Dumber than Full Tard. :oldlol:
:facepalm
Lmao.
ImKobe
03-03-2023, 11:08 PM
Pretty much everyone on this board who doesn't hate LeBron thinks you have a weird obsession with pushing an anti-LeBron agenda. I've seen multiple posters call you out for this who aren't even LeBron fans. Stop playing dumb, it's embarrassing. Would respect you more if you'd just be honest.
This thread has nothing to do with Bran.
Russ is washed but is still a good role player, why would his Clippers stint have any impact on Bran here? Even if he plays well they're not winning a championship.. and even if they won a chip it would have 0 impact on Bran. I already highlighted how Bran and Russ had a great Net Rating with AD on the bench, if my agenda was to trash Bran why would I even bring that up lmao.
ImKobe
03-03-2023, 11:13 PM
Btw Tatum just blew a massive lead to Mikal Bridges at home. So much for him being closer to Jokic than BI, lmao.
Nike D'Antoni
03-04-2023, 01:31 AM
I'm having a hard time figuring you out. In another thread it seems like you are rooting for Russ, but then you bump this thread to gather attention to the fact that the Clippers are now 0-4 with him.
What agenda? I got no agenda.
SATAN
03-04-2023, 01:34 AM
Clippers rapidly descending in the standings since the Russ addition.
Nike D'Antoni
03-04-2023, 01:56 AM
Clippers rapidly descending in the standings since the Russ addition.
The wizards started 0-7 with Russ, Lakers started 2-10 with Russ. It takes time to build chemistry.
D-Wait
03-04-2023, 02:01 AM
And they have Memphis next :eek:
ArbitraryWater
03-04-2023, 08:35 AM
0-5
Westbrook had a good game but once again came apart when it mattered.
Missed a FT with just over a minute left which cost the game, and up 1 with 15 seconds left he coudnt catch a ball.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Fj8Z8MpYgA
ArbitraryWater
03-04-2023, 08:36 AM
The wizards started 0-7 with Russ, Lakers started 2-10 with Russ. It takes time to build chemistry.
And those teams continued to suck. What are you saying? There was no turnaround lol.
Replay32
03-04-2023, 09:13 AM
Btw Tatum just blew a massive lead to Mikal Bridges at home. So much for him being closer to Jokic than BI, lmao.
Basketball is a team game. I hate this kind of approach to talking ball. How can 1 player blow a massive lead, like he's the only one on the court playing? This doesn't even make sense. The Celtics blew a massive lead. Not Tatum.
Indian guy
03-04-2023, 10:12 AM
Saw the first half of Clippers' latest game and WB was actually having a pretty good game. But they still lost, with WB making 2 crucial mistakes late.
I don't think it's a coincidence that LAC's defense has collapsed since acquiring him and they keep losing one close game after another. WB's 2 biggest deficiencies as a basketball player is his horrible off-ball defense, followed by his complete inability to make good decisions when stakes are at their highest. Those 2 things (along with his non-shooting) make him unplayable in crunch time. Overcoming WB and winning a close game is just about the hardest thing to do in the NBA. Lakers would so easily have a .500+ record right now had they simply sat WB in the last 5 minutes of games.
BigShotBob
03-04-2023, 01:47 PM
They got unlucky honestly but they will still be a tough out in a 7 game series
WhiteKyrie
03-04-2023, 01:51 PM
Saw the first half of Clippers' latest game and WB was actually having a pretty good game. But they still lost, with WB making 2 crucial mistakes late.
I don't think it's a coincidence that LAC's defense has collapsed since acquiring him and they keep losing one close game after another. WB's 2 biggest deficiencies as a basketball player is his horrible off-ball defense, followed by his complete inability to make good decisions when stakes are at their highest. Those 2 things (along with his non-shooting) make him unplayable in crunch time. Overcoming WB and winning a close game is just about the hardest thing to do in the NBA. Lakers would so easily have a .500+ record right now had they simply sat WB in the last 5 minutes of games.
Or if their best players actually played defense. Wasn’t just Retawded Westbrick.
0-5
Westbrook had a good game but once again came apart when it mattered.
Missed a FT with just over a minute left which cost the game, and up 1 with 15 seconds left he coudnt catch a ball.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Fj8Z8MpYgA
Yikes.
bladefd
03-04-2023, 08:14 PM
Saw the first half of Clippers' latest game and WB was actually having a pretty good game. But they still lost, with WB making 2 crucial mistakes late.
I don't think it's a coincidence that LAC's defense has collapsed since acquiring him and they keep losing one close game after another. WB's 2 biggest deficiencies as a basketball player is his horrible off-ball defense, followed by his complete inability to make good decisions when stakes are at their highest. Those 2 things (along with his non-shooting) make him unplayable in crunch time. Overcoming WB and winning a close game is just about the hardest thing to do in the NBA. Lakers would so easily have a .500+ record right now had they simply sat WB in the last 5 minutes of games.
That's the conclusion Clippers will eventually reach imo and bench Westbrick in last 5-6 minutes of 4th quarters.
ImKobe
03-05-2023, 08:48 AM
Saw the first half of Clippers' latest game and WB was actually having a pretty good game. But they still lost, with WB making 2 crucial mistakes late.
I don't think it's a coincidence that LAC's defense has collapsed since acquiring him and they keep losing one close game after another. WB's 2 biggest deficiencies as a basketball player is his horrible off-ball defense, followed by his complete inability to make good decisions when stakes are at their highest. Those 2 things (along with his non-shooting) make him unplayable in crunch time. Overcoming WB and winning a close game is just about the hardest thing to do in the NBA. Lakers would so easily have a .500+ record right now had they simply sat WB in the last 5 minutes of games.
A vet min player gave them 27 pts 10 ast on 75%FG and was a +10 but now it's his fault again LMAO
"overcoming WB"
What kind of bullshit is this? They outscored their opponent by 10 points with him on the floor and he was a +12 in the 4th quarter LMAO. Maybe if others showed up you wouldn't need for him to have a perfect game?
Mann once again is proving he's trash.. -20 in 22 minutes.
Wardell Curry
03-05-2023, 09:04 AM
A vet min player
There you go again continuing to bring up salary as if it has any bearing as to what is happening on the court whatsoever. Extremely weird.
ImKobe
03-05-2023, 09:10 AM
There you go again continuing to bring up salary as if it has any bearing as to what is happening on the court whatsoever. Extremely weird.
I swear Russ is the only buyout player in NBA history to have the same expectations as a max player.. even when he plays well it's all his fault, not that Kawhi shat the bed in the 2nd half vs. GS (-31 in 12 minutes, 6 pts on 5 shots) and sat out the Kings game, or that Westbrook's back-up has been terrible in his place in these last two losses.. Russ is giving them 17/4/9 on 60.5%TS in these 5 games lol, has played better in this stretch than John Wall & Reggie Jackson looked all season but now it's all his fault that Zubac is out and that some of these guys are not pulling their weight.
Mann is -50 in the last three games but the Russ minutes are the issue. LOL.
SATAN
03-05-2023, 09:34 AM
Clips have gone 0-5 since Russ but it's Mann's fault guys!
:facepalm
SATAN
03-05-2023, 09:47 AM
We expect him to throw away games with poor decision making and or bad shooting. And that has already happened repeatedly.
None of that has anything to do with his salary. Nobody expects him to perform as a max player. They expect him to perform as someone who isn't going to crush his team's chances to win, but he keeps doing just that. Well, at this point, those of us that are being honest actually expect him to personally cost his team games, which he has indeed done.
:applause:
Wardell Curry
03-05-2023, 09:49 AM
I swear Russ is the only buyout player in NBA history to have the same expectations as a max player..
We expect him to throw away games with poor decision making and or bad shooting. And that has already happened repeatedly.
He is a momentum killer and a morale killer.
None of that has anything to do with his salary. Nobody expects him to perform as a max player. They expect him to perform as someone who isn't going to crush his team's chances to win, but he keeps doing just that. Well, at this point, those of us that are being honest actually expect him to personally cost his team games, which he has indeed done.
All of this boils down to one thing. If you read the boxscores, you think Russell Westbrook is still a great NBA player. If you watch the games, you know that he has the potential to derail his own team with repeated sequences of bad plays.
ArbitraryWater
03-05-2023, 10:55 AM
:facepalm
:lol
ImKobe
03-05-2023, 03:06 PM
We expect him to throw away games with poor decision making and or bad shooting. And that has already happened repeatedly.
He is a momentum killer and a morale killer.
None of that has anything to do with his salary. Nobody expects him to perform as a max player. They expect him to perform as someone who isn't going to crush his team's chances to win, but he keeps doing just that. Well, at this point, those of us that are being honest actually expect him to personally cost his team games, which he has indeed done.
All of this boils down to one thing. If you read the boxscores, you think Russell Westbrook is still a great NBA player. If you watch the games, you know that he has the potential to derail his own team with repeated sequences of bad plays.
Just admit you can't be objective when it comes to the Russ situation and be done with it. You're just overlooking all the data when he plays well because it doesn't fit your agenda.
Oh wow, they lost on the road with 3 of their starters out vs. the #3 seed with the #1 offense in the league. Russ has arguably his best game of the season and is a +10 with a +12 in the 4th and it's all his fault again! Let's just overlook how terrible the team was with him on the bench!
1987_Lakers
03-05-2023, 03:12 PM
Just admit you can't be objective when it comes to the Russ situation and be done with it.
The irony
ImKobe
03-05-2023, 03:17 PM
The irony
If Bran goes for 27 on 75% with 10 assists and w/ a +10, would you exclusively blame him for the loss or would you actually look at how garbage the rest of the team was in that game?
I'm done anyway, there's no point arguing with anyone on this site when you can't provide anything of substance in return. Have fun.
1987_Lakers
03-05-2023, 03:23 PM
If Bran goes for 27 on 75% with 10 assists and w/ a +10, would you exclusively blame him for the loss or would you actually look at how garbage the rest of the team was in that game?
I'm done anyway, there's no point arguing with anyone on this site when you can't provide anything of substance in return. Have fun.
Before you leave.
Here are Kobe's finals stats
2000 - 15.6 ppg | 39 fg%
2001 - 24 ppg | 41.5 fg% | 50 TS%
2002 - 27 ppg | 51 fg% | 62 TS%
2004 - 23 ppg | 38 fg% | 46 TS%
2008 - 26 ppg | 40.1 fg% | 50.5 TS%
2009 - 32 ppg | 43 fg% | 52.5 TS%
2010 - 29 ppg | 40.1 fg% | 52.8 TS%
Here are Kobe's game seven stats.
44.2 MPG
22.2 points
FG 38.9%
FT 67.3%
8 RPG
5 APG
1 SPG
1.3 BPG
Here are Kobe's stats when facing elimination.
22.3 PPG
5.8 RPG
3.5 APG
1.3 SPG
1.3 BPG
on a 50.3 TS
and his teams went 9-10 in those games.
Wardell Curry
03-05-2023, 04:21 PM
Just admit you can't be objective when it comes to the Russ situation and be done with it. You're just overlooking all the data when he plays well because it doesn't fit your agenda.
Oh wow, they lost on the road with 3 of their starters out vs. the #3 seed with the #1 offense in the league. Russ has arguably his best game of the season and is a +10 with a +12 in the 4th and it's all his fault again! Let's just overlook how terrible the team was with him on the bench!
I'll tell you what. I'll "admit" what you're accusing me of once you actually admit you're just regurgitating boxscores and irrationally focusing on player salary.
Nike D'Antoni
03-05-2023, 09:48 PM
Memphis is without Ja Morant, Dillon Brooks, Brandon Clarke, and Steven Adams.
A win might be on the way.
ArbitraryWater
03-05-2023, 09:53 PM
Memphis is without Ja Morant, Dillon Brooks, Brandon Clarke, and Steven Adams.
A win might be on the way.
but the Clippers have Westbrook
Nike D'Antoni
03-05-2023, 11:41 PM
The clippers win 1st quarter 30-28. Russ was -7, but he contributed with a rebound.
Nike D'Antoni
03-06-2023, 12:39 AM
Westbrook set a screen.
SATAN
03-06-2023, 12:40 AM
He got an assist..
Hey Yo
03-06-2023, 12:43 AM
He's afraid to shoot
Nike D'Antoni
03-06-2023, 12:52 AM
I am speechless. The clippers were up 11, and are now down 14.
Tyronn Lue, Kawhi, and George all suck. But Russ will get all the blame.
imdaman99
03-06-2023, 12:54 AM
I am speechless. The clippers were up 11, and are now down 14.
Tyronn Lue, Kawhi, and George all suck. But Russ will get all the blame.
Westbrook is a hired scapegoat :lol
Nike D'Antoni
03-06-2023, 01:10 AM
Westbrook is a hired scapegoat :lol
I hate it. Somehow the Clippers just decided they don’t wanna give any effort on defense when Russell Westbrook signed, and now all is Russ's fault somehow.
Kawhi has no leadership.
Hey Yo
03-06-2023, 01:14 AM
LOL @ Kawhit
Nike D'Antoni
03-06-2023, 01:17 AM
Clips with comeback, they decided to play now.
Hey Yo
03-06-2023, 01:20 AM
Russ with the TO
SATAN
03-06-2023, 01:21 AM
6/4/6
4 turnovers
Nike D'Antoni
03-06-2023, 01:23 AM
17-0 Clippers run
Nike D'Antoni
03-06-2023, 01:25 AM
Clutchbrook. AND1.
SATAN
03-06-2023, 01:34 AM
lmao@Westbrook being wide open under the rim and PG choosing not to pass him the ball.
Glad Clippers finally got a win with Westbrook, going 0-6 and losing to Ja-less Memphis would’ve been extremely embarrassing
SATAN
03-06-2023, 01:36 AM
Good games from PG13 and Kawhi.
Lakers Legend#32
03-06-2023, 04:24 AM
Lakers fans are laughing our asses off right now.
Westbrook and the Clippers, the perfect marriage of a basket case player and a basket case organization.
Charlie Sheen
03-06-2023, 12:22 PM
Lakers fans are laughing our asses off right now.
Westbrook and the Clippers, the perfect marriage of a basket case player and a basket case organization.
That hasn't been the case for a long time. The Lakers had a massive advantage over the rest of the league because Dr. Buss was ahead of the curve as an owner. Now... his kids are running a clown show while the Clippers, Suns and Warriors all got new ownership that is passionate and committed to winning.
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