Lebron failed to be GOAT because he's a downgrade from Jordan in several areas

[CurryOverLebron]

He's a downgrade in skills, killer instinct, good looks, and size.

How's he a downgrade in size you say? There's a reason the smaller Lebron surpassed the bigger Kareem's scoring record, and the smaller Kareem surpassed the bigger Wilt. Evolution of basketball is about getting smaller, not bigger.

[3ba11]

20 years of longevity confirms that Lebron isn't capable of a dynasty, 3-peat or 6 chips with any lineup, aka objectively inferior to MJ

[Full Court]

In my mind it's pretty simple: LeShrivel failed to be the GOAT because he has the most choke jobs of all time.

After 2008 and 2011, he was already disqualified from any GOAT conversation.

[ImKobe]

MJ 3-Peated twice without a superstar teammate or a loaded roster. Shit isn't close man.

[1987_Lakers]

MJ 3 peated against Jeff Hornacek.

LeGoat beat a 73 win team.

[ImKobe]

10x as many scoring titles, more MVPs, DPOY, higher RS & Playoff & Finals scoring average, undefeated in the Finals.. it's not close man.

One had Pippen (mediocre 20 ppg scorer), other had prime Wade, prime Kyrie & prime AD & has had almost twice as many opportunities to win a championship. Guess who has more rings.

[Full Court]

MJ 3 peated against Jeff Hornacek.

LeGoat beat a 73 win team.

BIGGEST


CHOKER


OF



ALL




TIME.


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LeShrivel. :lol

[warriorfan]

bron got outscored by an undersized, post prime, 0 time all star, on the largest stage after colluding with the 2nd and 4th highest PER in the league and guaranteeing 7+ titles while saying “it’s going to be easy”

2011 is the greatest choke in the history of professional sports and it automatically eliminated lebron from any goat talks and is a big reason why he is a fringe top 10 player

[Full Court]

bron got outscored by an undersized, post prime, 0 time all star, on the largest stage after colluding with the 2nd and 4th highest PER in the league and guaranteeing 7+ titles while saying “it’s going to be easy”

2011 is the greatest choke in the history of professional sports and it automatically eliminated lebron from any goat talks and is a big reason why he is a fringe top 10 player

Bingo.

[SATAN]

Jordan is the most overrated player of all time...

[And1AllDay]

bran

more pts, reb, ast, stl, blk = upgrade

next :dancin

[Axe]

Jordan played for a team that won 55 games at best during his gambling suspension.

[ImKobe]

Jordan played for a team that won 55 games at best during his gambling suspension.

Jordan = 2x 3-Peat
No Jordan = 2nd round exit

kek

[Axe]

With pippen = 2x three-peat
Without pippen = 1-9 in the postseason

Not to mention that pippen has the best playoff runs throughout the 90s while also making the playoffs with other teams he played for.

Unfortunately, the same thing can't be said about jordan. Lol.

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[ImKobe]

Pippen played with Hakeem & Barkley (1st round exit, game-losing TO in Game 1 and shot 32% for the series), then was begging to be traded to LA, only for him to end up on loaded Portland teams, where he proceeded to choke to LA in the WCF & get bounced in the 1st round for the next 3 seasons before retiring in Chicago.

[Axe]

And for you, that's somehow worse than jordan failing to make the playoffs in wizards uniform? Lmao.

[1987_Lakers]

Pippen played with Hakeem & Barkley (1st round exit, game-losing TO in Game 1 and shot 32% for the series), then was begging to be traded to LA, only for him to end up on loaded Portland teams, where he proceeded to choke to LA in the WCF & get bounced in the 1st round for the next 3 seasons before retiring in Chicago.

Speaking of chokes

Here are Kobe's finals stats

2000 - 15.6 ppg | 39 fg%

2001 - 24 ppg | 41.5 fg% | 50 TS%

2002 - 27 ppg | 51 fg% | 62 TS%

2004 - 23 ppg | 38 fg% | 46 TS%

2008 - 26 ppg | 40.1 fg% | 50.5 TS%

2009 - 32 ppg | 43 fg% | 52.5 TS%

2010 - 29 ppg | 40.1 fg% | 52.8 TS%



Here are Kobe's game seven stats.

44.2 MPG

22.2 points

FG 38.9%

FT 67.3%

8 RPG

5 APG

1 SPG

1.3 BPG





Here are Kobe's stats when facing elimination.



22.3 PPG

5.8 RPG


3.5 APG

1.3 SPG

1.3 BPG

on a 50.3 TS

and his teams went 9-10 in those games.

[SATAN]

Speaking of chokes



https://streamable.com/o2awv0

[ImKobe]

And for you, that's somehow worse than jordan failing to make the playoffs in wizards uniform? Lmao.

Pippen was a role player and got exposed after '98. No All-Star games. No All-NBAs. No Finals appearances. Went from 19 a game in Chicago to 14.5 in Houston and it got worse from there. Jordan didn't ring chase in LA when he could have done that. He took a lottery team that won 19 games to a 26 - 21 record before injury.

[Hey Yo]

Pippen was a role player and got exposed after '98. No All-Star games. No All-NBAs. No Finals appearances. Went from 19 a game in Chicago to 14.5 in Houston and it got worse from there. Jordan didn't ring chase in LA when he could have done that. He took a lottery team that won 19 games to a 26 - 21 record before injury.

What Jordan do after 98?

All yeah, that right ... he quit again.

[Axe]

Pippen was a role player and got exposed after '98. No All-Star games. No All-NBAs. No Finals appearances. Went from 19 a game in Chicago to 14.5 in Houston and it got worse from there. Jordan didn't ring chase in LA when he could have done that. He took a lottery team that won 19 games to a 26 - 21 record before injury.
In 2000, he was just a win away from making his 7th trip to the finals. And in case you're wondering, no. The blazers didn't make any appearance in the western finals during the preceding five seasons before he came there.

Meanwhile, jordan never came close to something like that after the 90s dynasty fell apart. There's a big reason why he chose to come back to the bulls in 1995 too.

[HoopsNY]

In 2000, he was just a win away from making his 7th trip to the finals. And in case you're wondering, no. The blazers didn't make any appearance in the western finals during the preceding five seasons before he came there.

Meanwhile, jordan never came close to something like that after the 90s dynasty fell apart. There's a big reason why he chose to come back to the bulls in 1995 too.

Portland was in the WCF in '99, before Pippen arrived.

[kawhileonard2]

Need an answer on each thread below.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?489748-When-KD-and-Lebron-go-head-to-head
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=459570

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495113-Vassilis-Spanoulis-Giannis-Antetokounmpo-s-And-Luka-Doncic-s-Idol-Retired
https://www.espn.com/olympics/wbc2006/news/story?id=2568543

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495940-Lebron-with-Shaq-2nd-round-exit-Giannis-with-Middleton-a-Title

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495955-Giannis-just-blasted-those-who-join-super-teams-in-post-conference-interview

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?493982-Devin-Booker-Vs-Lebron-James-who-is-better-currently

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496095-Devin-Booker-put-up-47-his-playoff-career-high-on-Lebron

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496253-Lebron-won-2-bronze-medals-for-the-United-States-of-America-How

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496256-Lebron-with-Tim-Duncan-Bronze-Medal-in-Olympics-Vince-with-KG-Gold-Medal

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496255-Lebron-with-Carlos-Boozer-No-Playoffs-Deron-Williams-with-Carlos-Boozer-WCF

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496549-Lebron-stacking-the-deck-in-2022-because-he-is-afraid-of-Devin-Booker

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?492941-1-Title-in-11-Years-for-the-Franchise-that-you-originally-played-for


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496831-times-when-each-top-10-player-all-time-Lost-when-they-were-expected-to-win

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?486706-Rob-Parker-LeBron-is-the-FFOAT

Record against teams with an SRS of 5.0 or higher.
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?497187-Record-against-teams-with-an-SRS-of-5-0-or-higher

Not 3, not 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 or Playoff Mode Activated or A Storm is Coming
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?494319-Not-3-not-4-5-6-7-8-or-Playoff-Mode-Activated-or-A-Storm-is-Coming/page2


Playoff Mode: ACTIVATED
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?473762-Playoff-Mode-ACTIVATED

Lowest Scoring Supporting Cast Overall Playoffs
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?463869-Lowest-Scoring-Supporting-Cast-Overall-Playoffs/page3


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?499837-Greatest-floor-raise-of-all-time/page2
Lebron played with Shaq who won league mvp and 3 finals mvp's and lost in round 2. Lebron played with Peak Duncan who had won 2 league mvp's and 3 finals mvp's and won bronze medal. Lebron played with Peak Wade who won finals mvp and got outplayed by Jason Terry. Lebron played with Derrick Rose who won mvp under age 30 which was the same as Kevin Durant who won mvp under 30 while both were on Golden State and Cleveland. Lebron played with mulitple PER leaders as well and now Russell Westbrook a league mvp winner and more triple doubles than Oscar Robertson. Yet despite all of that Lebron lost with all of them.


Jarrett Allen vs Gobert and Jarrett Allen vs Lebron
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?499786-Jarrett-Allen-vs-Gobert-and-Jarrett-Allen-vs-Lebron

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500431-Lakers-were-1-in-Preseason-Odds-in-2021-and-Suns-were-14
Was #1 in Preseason odds and lost to a 14th seed in odds

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2021_preseason_odds.html

And Devin Booker walked them down in the playoffs with Devin outplaying Lebron. :confusedshrug:


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500416-Why-did-Pelinka-surround-Lebron-with-a-bullshit-roster
He has peak Anthony Davis, the best player on the 2020 squad and the reason the Lakers did anything as the 2019 Lakers missed the playoffs and 2021 Lakers lost in round 1 when AD wasn't around. He has Prime Melo who won a scoring title and all time leader in scoring for the Olympics. He has Dwight Howard a 3x DPOY and a guy who beat Lebron without HCA. He has Westbrook who is the modern day Oscar Robertson and also won league mvp along with average a Triple Double 4 years in a row. He also has Rondo who is a hall of famer.

Why didn't he play it against Dwight Howard in 2009 when Dwight was dominating http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?459570-How-is-it-even-possible-to-lose-to-Dwight-Howard-in-a-series-with-HCA/page10? Or against Duncan or KG or Dirk? Why did he run away from KD a guy at his position?
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?489748-When-KD-and-Lebron-go-head-to-head

Why didn't he do **** against Booker in the playoffs as well?

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496095-Devin-Booker-put-up-47-his-playoff-career-high-on-Lebron


Devin Booker broke Lebron
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500264-Devin-Booker-broke-Lebron&p=14500724


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?503966-3ball-why-can-LeBron-win-with-Irving-but-KD-can-t&p=14584482#post14584482

Lebron won bronze medal twice and lost with HCA 3x. Jordan only won gold medal and never lost with HCA. Prove me wrong!

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500440-Russell-Westbrook-leading-the-league-in-Triple-Doubles-Thus-far-in-2022-Season
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/triple-double-leaders-2021-2022-stats

Expected Championships Won and Titles Over Expected
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500379-Expected-Championships-Won-and-Titles-Over-Expected/page3&p=14503600


How did LeBron go 10-16 vs Kawhi? 7-12 vs Shaq? 17-23 vs Curry?
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500334-How-did-LeBron-go-10-16-vs-Kawhi-7-12-vs-Shaq-17-23-vs-Curry

Top 50 All-Time List - Shot Clock Era = #1
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?497028-Top-50-All-Time-List-Shot-Clock-Era-1&p=14426360&viewfull=1#post14426360


Difference between Lebron and Tmac?
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?494830-Difference-between-Lebron-and-Tmac
Both 0-2 with HCA against 50+ win teams until they joined forces with someone who won as the man. Also won bronze medals.

Tmac lost to Utah in 2007 while Lebron was losing to a career loser in Dwight Howard and also Carlos Arroyo in the Olympics with peak Tim Duncan on his squad despite playing more minutes than Hakeem even played on the 1996 Olympic team.



LeBron's message that makes the NBA shake: A storm is coming
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500734-LeBron-s-message-that-makes-the-NBA-shake-A-storm-is-coming

https://www.marca.com/en/more-sports/2021/04/09/6070b833ca47418e588b45e9.html


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?480740-Vasileios-Spanoulis-gt-gt-gt-Lebron-James
Outplayed Lebron in FIBA and caused America to get another bronze medal and then Greece got spanked in Gold medal final.:oldlol:

http://archive.fiba.com/pages/eng/fa/game/p/gid/A/grid/75/rid/5152/sid/3507/_/2006_FIBA_World_Championship/statistic.html


First Time Ever a team with 2 guys who won MVP missed the playoffs
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?503543-First-Time-Ever-a-team-with-2-guys-who-won-MVP-missed-the-playoffs


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?503981-Why-does-Lebron-have-2-bronze-medals-while-KD-only-has-gold-medals&p=14584371#post14584371

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