ESPN Insider Accuses LeBron James Of Using Performance Enhancers

[IllegalD]

ESPN Insider Accuses LeBron James Of Using Performance Enhancers (https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/lakers-news-espn-insider-accuses-lebron-james-of-using-performance-enhancers/ar-AA18nHgm?ocid=mailsignout&pc=U591&cvid=fce2a78234d54028847938684f7e3664&ei=44)

"Other basketball players will hear about what LeBron does and go, 'That doesn't matter.' If you knew what these performance enhancers did, you'd know it does matter. We have the same drug guy, I know exactly what he's doing," Sonnen claimed.

"EPO [Erythropoietin] matters, it's the reason LeBron takes it. It matters. EPO increases your red blood cells, which gives you the endurance to play all game long... It's the king of performance enhancers. EPO is king to everything. That's why cyclists do it."

[Real Men Wear Green]

This is more serious than previous allegations because Sonnen is saying they have the same drug guy and mentions a specific drug. If he is making this up James can sue him for libel.

[Soundwave]

Seems like he is pointing to an EPO stack specifically. Makes sense, it would probably help you in terms of longevity.

[StrongLurk]

MJ and Kobe had performance enhancers too...so do random scrubs in the NBA. Even "illegal surgeries" happen. It really doesn't matter.

Curious to see if any "facts" come out of this.

[FKAri]

No shit. Everyone in basketball and soccer is on EPO or an equivalent. The dumb retards like that guy who keeps posting LeBron pics(forget the name) think he's on d-bol or someshit. It ain't 1985 bros.

[Soundwave]

MJ and Kobe had performance enhancers too...so do random scrubs in the NBA. Even "illegal surgeries" happen. It really doesn't matter.

Curious to see if any "facts" come out of this.

I don't think MJ really did, I think he just adjusted his game (clear as day) as he got older to rely more on conserving energy and not dunking as much and utilizing post jumpers. If he was abusing effective PEDs, that probably shouldn't have been necessary.

I'm not as sure about Kobe.

If a player is basically playing the same exact style into their mid-late 30s as they were 10 years prior ... that's probably a red flag for PED usage.

[Wardell Curry]

He's not an "ESPN Insider."

He's a former UFC fighter. And he's probably right and probably telling the truth about having the same drug supplier.

There's no way that LeBron isn't on something, along with most of the NBA. It's just something that nobody wants to talk about. There have been multiple top 10/top 20 all time NBA players that have been on PEDs. LeBron is just one of the most obvious because on top of the doping, he's incredibly genetically gifted. At 17 years old he already had an NBA body, and I'm sure he wasn't doping at 17.

[FKAri]

I don't think MJ really did, I think he just adjusted his game (clear as day) as he got older to rely more on conserving energy and not dunking as much. If was abusing effective PEDs, that probably shouldn't have been necessary.

I'm not as sure about Kobe.

Agreed. Hyper competitive cut-throat psychopaths like MJ never cut corners and always abide ethically and honorably.

[sbw19]

Relative of mine with ESRD takes weekly Darbepoetin (an Erythropoietin analogue) so he doesn't get too anemic. He misses one or two doses he can't even do some brisk walking.

It doesn't matter who did or didn't do it, this is pretty damning if true, though sadly not surprising (and I'm not strictly pointing the finger at LeBron here).

[Soundwave]

Agreed. Hyper competitive cut-throat psychopaths like MJ never cut corners and always abide ethically and honorably.

Counterpoint to that would be his competitive ego is big enough that he feels he doesn't need that extra stuff to do it. Clearly post '95 Jordan is a different player to 85-93 Jordan, he adjusted his game to pace himself. When you see players performing without having to do that into their 30s ... that's probably when you know something is up.

I also think basketball in the 90s was kinda behind the curve of PED usage. Baseball was ahead of the curve, football too, basketball and hockey were behind it.

Basketball in the 90s wasn't even that far removed from a time when even just lifting weights wasn't really a pre-requisite thing.

[Wardell Curry]

Also, it's worth noting, this guy hates LeBron James for whatever reason. And he has a history dating back a decade in doing so. And he has a history of saying controversial things for attention. His entire UFC career was just that.

Doesn't mean LeBron isn't doping. I'm sure he is. Just worth noting though.

2013 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkLpAvaGu8A - "If [LeBron] comes tonight, I'm going to beat his ass and I'm going to put pictures of it on twitter. I'm telling you this now for the lawsuit. He has been warned. I would have beat his ass in the last show if I could have got to him, and he knows what he did. Ask him."

2018 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hXI2fo9Pls - "LeBron James is coming to Portland to be a Trailblazer. And I get a call at 3 am from the GM. I'm a night owl but I'm up till 3... I get a call at 3 am from the GM that puts me on blast for blabbing that information."


Honestly this guy seems like a deranged InsideHoops LeBron poster.

[FKAri]

Wait. Chael Sonnen said this? Non-story then. I was hoping for something actually joosy.

[j3lademaster]

I figured 99% of pro athletes, and even a ton of collegiate athletes were on several peds at a time these days. It'd be more of a story if someone was swearing up and down Lebron wasn't on something.

[WhiteKyrie]

I don't think MJ really did, I think he just adjusted his game (clear as day) as he got older to rely more on conserving energy and not dunking as much and utilizing post jumpers. If he was abusing effective PEDs, that probably shouldn't have been necessary.

I'm not as sure about Kobe.

If a player is basically playing the same exact style into their mid-late 30s as they were 10 years prior ... that's probably a red flag for PED usage.

Bingo. Actual facts. Mike was late to even weight training. :oldlol: that’s all natural. Like Ken Griffey Jr. I think Kobe was on it. That sudden rampant 15-18 pure muscle weight gain from late summer 2002 into the 2002-2003 training camp. He did it again post 2004 headed into the 2004-2005 season. And I think he was experimenting with stuff post 2010 through 2013. The experimental knee stuff in Germany. But his body musculature would change randomly a lot through out his career if you paid attention.

[BallsOut]

ESPN Insider Accuses LeBron James Of Using Performance Enhancers (https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/lakers-news-espn-insider-accuses-lebron-james-of-using-performance-enhancers/ar-AA18nHgm?ocid=mailsignout&pc=U591&cvid=fce2a78234d54028847938684f7e3664&ei=44)

"Other basketball players will hear about what LeBron does and go, 'That doesn't matter.' If you knew what these performance enhancers did, you'd know it does matter. We have the same drug guy, I know exactly what he's doing," Sonnen claimed.

"EPO [Erythropoietin] matters, it's the reason LeBron takes it. It matters. EPO increases your red blood cells, which gives you the endurance to play all game long... It's the king of performance enhancers. EPO is king to everything. That's why cyclists do it."

:lebronamazed:

[BallsOut]

ESPN Insider Accuses LeBron James Of Using Performance Enhancers (https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/lakers-news-espn-insider-accuses-lebron-james-of-using-performance-enhancers/ar-AA18nHgm?ocid=mailsignout&pc=U591&cvid=fce2a78234d54028847938684f7e3664&ei=44)

"Other basketball players will hear about what LeBron does and go, 'That doesn't matter.' If you knew what these performance enhancers did, you'd know it does matter. We have the same drug guy, I know exactly what he's doing," Sonnen claimed.

"EPO [Erythropoietin] matters, it's the reason LeBron takes it. It matters. EPO increases your red blood cells, which gives you the endurance to play all game long... It's the king of performance enhancers. EPO is king to everything. That's why cyclists do it."

LeBron’s NBA career has been exposed :lebronamazed:

[Legend248]

Can we please get this to blow up so all the news stations have this info ?

[1987_Lakers]

Can we please get this to blow up so all the news stations have this info ?

This story has been out for two days. The guy who said it is a former UFC fighter who has a past of hating on LeBron.

[AlternativeAcc.]

Lebron is so good they have to speculate about PEDs ro diminish him.

Undisputed GOAT. just comes with the territory

[FKAri]

Counterpoint to that would be his competitive ego is big enough that he feels he doesn't need that extra stuff to do it. Clearly post '95 Jordan is a different player to 85-93 Jordan, he adjusted his game to pace himself. When you see players performing without having to do that into their 30s ... that's probably when you know something is up.

I also think basketball in the 90s was kinda behind the curve of PED usage. Baseball was ahead of the curve, football too, basketball and hockey were behind it.

Basketball in the 90s wasn't even that far removed from a time when even just lifting weights wasn't really a pre-requisite thing.

Modern PEDs focus more on recovery and endurance as opposed to peak performance. This wasn't the cast a few decades ago.


Can we please get this to blow up so all the news stations have this info ?

As an ESPN insider, I have some sway with them. I just sent this to ESPN.

[CurryOverLebron]

https://twitter.com/MavsStan41/status/1633276225442521088

[Lebron23]

Chael Sonnen. The guy sucks as an MMA Fighter

[FultzNationRISE]

Bingo. Actual facts. Mike was late to even weight training. :oldlol: that’s all natural. Like Ken Griffey Jr. I think Kobe was on it. That sudden rampant 15-18 pure muscle weight gain from late summer 2002 into the 2002-2003 training camp. He did it again post 2004 headed into the 2004-2005 season. And I think he was experimenting with stuff post 2010 through 2013. The experimental knee stuff in Germany. But his body musculature would change randomly a lot through out his career if you paid attention.


Were you paying close attention to Kobe's body musculature?

[Lebron23]

This is more serious than previous allegations because Sonnen is saying they have the same drug guy and mentions a specific drug. If he is making this up James can sue him for libel.

Hopefully LeBron's sue him. I celebrated every time he got beat up in the Octagon.

[FKAri]

Were you paying close attention to Kobe's body musculature?
All that means is Kobe was HUGE. Not necessarily MJ isn't packing. He was content with Kobe. LMAO @ these clowns straight reaching

[John8204]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpT2W4zRzzM


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRbNyfmAico

I love Chael Sonnen, I'm a huge fan of the guy but the man has never met a story he couldn't lie about to make it better.

[FultzNationRISE]

All that means is Kobe was HUGE. Not necessarily MJ isn't packing. He was content with Kobe. LMAO @ these clowns straight reaching


Legendary.

[Proctor]

I don't know what to do. I'm upset. This is SO shocking. :cry: :cry:

[eliteballer]

:eek:

[eliteballer]

https://twitter.com/MavsStan41/status/1633276225442521088

:eek:

[meat]

"Say it ain't so Lebron. Say it ain't so!!" .... "I'm afraid it is kid" .

[eliteballer]

https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/004/478/sjgrcover.jpg

[eliteballer]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltUI54a4Vzk

[ArbitraryWater]

Chael Sonnen lmao

[eliteballer]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltUI54a4Vzk

[eliteballer]

https://www.si.com/nba/lakers/news/espn-insider-accuses-lebron-james-of-using-performance-enhancers-ak1987

[FKAri]

No shit. Everyone in basketball and soccer is on EPO or an equivalent. The dumb retards like that guy who keeps posting LeBron pics(forget the name) think he's on d-bol or someshit. It ain't 1985 bros.

I was referring to this nincompoop:


https://www.si.com/nba/lakers/news/espn-insider-accuses-lebron-james-of-using-performance-enhancers-ak1987

[Johnny32]

only desperate mj and kobe tards believe it lol. chael has skipesque level hate for lebron and has for more than a decade. love that lebron doesn't even acknowledge either of them.

[ImKobe]

Shocking.. Bran was exposed for this in like 2016 in Cleveland lol.

Bran isn't the only NBA player doing it but you'd be an idiot to think that the league wouldn't allow these guys to use performance-enhancers to help their longevity when there's billions at stake.

[Wardell Curry]

Shocking.. Bran was exposed for this in like 2016 in Cleveland lol.

Bran isn't the only NBA player doing it but you'd be an idiot to think that the league wouldn't allow these guys to use performance-enhancers to help their longevity when there's billions at stake.

All true.

[Spurs m8]

Water is wet....LeFraud is a drug cheat

[Axe]

Agreed. Hyper competitive cut-throat psychopaths like MJ never cut corners and always abide ethically and honorably.
:oldlol:

[eliteballer]

The damage control is hilarious.

[WhiteKyrie]

I mean it’s obvious Bron is roided up

[8Ball]

Thread flop. Nobody in national media or NBA media cares what a proven liar Chael Sonnen has to say.

[eliteballer]

Thread flop. Nobody in national media or NBA media cares what a proven liar Chael Sonnen has to say.

So I guess:

Bill Simmons
Joe Rogan
Stephen A Smith
Max Kellerman

and this guy are all liars too..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmB6YCUzgMU

[1987_Lakers]

Joe Rogan has said many times he doesnt watch football or basketball. Naming him shows how desperate you are.

[ImKobe]

Joe Rogan has said many times he doesnt watch football or basketball. Naming him shows how desperate you are.

And why does that even matter when we're talking about PEDs?

[eliteballer]

https://www.businessinsider.com/lebron-james-2-week-break-turned-his-season-around-2015-4

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/2v15wd/simmons_and_lowe_on_lebron_what_is_bill_alluding/

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/2000208-sports-and-racing-nba/69397404



During today's podcast, Bill and Zach were talking about Anthony Davis's MVP credentials when they had the following exchange about LeBron:

Bill: So you really believe that? You think [Davis] has been the best player in the NBA?

Zach: Start to finish this season, yeah. I mean LeBron since his two week... uh we gotta figure out a name for that. His two week... I dunno what..

Bill: Oh, I can.. ooh I can, I have a couple titles that, uh, I'm not gonna say, but..

Zach: His two week refreshment, or something, um, has been--

Bill: Yeah refreshment's kinda hinting toward... yeah..

Zach: But... um... I'm not going anywhere near where you're going.

Bill: I'm not going anywhere either. I'm just listening to you.


"With all the talk about dehydration and cramping, it made for a very interesting and suspicious googling experience"

[warriorfan]

And why does that even matter when we're talking about PEDs?

:roll:

he projecting hard

[1987_Lakers]

And why does that even matter when we're talking about PEDs?

He has no relation to LeBron. We all know Kobe used PEDs in Germany.

[eliteballer]

https://images2.minutemediacdn.com/image/fetch/w_736,h_485,c_fill,g_auto,f_auto/https%3A%2F%2Flakeshowlife.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2Fgetty-images%2F2022%2F05%2F101246164-850x560.jpeg


https://i.insider.com/5ec2038019182438795d88b3?width=700

[eliteballer]

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/b6/22/c2/b622c23710df06e9d8fdffa44f475994--cleveland-cavs-king-james.jpg


https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/lebron-james-of-the-cleveland-cavaliers-looks-to-pass-against-the-san-picture-id85153038


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https://www4.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/LeBron+James+Orlando+Magic+v+Cleveland+Cavaliers+i CV3WkaL3MTl.jpg


https://sa.kapamilya.com/absnews/abscbnnews/media/2020/news/11/21/montrezl-harrell.jpg

[eliteballer]

https://image-cdn.essentiallysports.com/wp-content/uploads/20200306212407/lebron-james-best-stories-twojpg.jpg

https://www.yardbarker.com/media/b/7/b7a9f6fedb6161fe63067f6e1eff720d262140e2/thumb_16x9/lebron-james-on-lead-lakers-anthony-davis.jpg?v=1

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[8Ball]

So I guess:

Bill Simmons
Joe Rogan
Stephen A Smith
Max Kellerman

and this guy are all liars too..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmB6YCUzgMU

Wrong.

None of them give a shit about what Chael Sonnen has to say on this topic.

[eliteballer]

How many alts you gonna use?

[Full Court]

Chael Sonnen is a known troll. I like the guy, because he's witty and funny, but I've followed him for years, and he spouts off all kinds of nonsense.

Sonnen himself got busted in the UFC for PED use.

Lebron's endurance is crap. That's a big reason why he disappears in the fourth quarter. He's got nothing left by then. So if he's on EPO, it ain't working.

This whole story is a big nothing burger. Just speculation by a guy who has no more inside info than any of us here on ISH do.



















None of that negates the fact that Lebron led a super team to the lottery though. :lol

[kawhileonard2]

I don't think MJ really did, I think he just adjusted his game (clear as day) as he got older to rely more on conserving energy and not dunking as much and utilizing post jumpers. If he was abusing effective PEDs, that probably shouldn't have been necessary.

I'm not as sure about Kobe.

If a player is basically playing the same exact style into their mid-late 30s as they were 10 years prior ... that's probably a red flag for PED usage.

This!

[plowking]

Counterpoint to that would be his competitive ego is big enough that he feels he doesn't need that extra stuff to do it. Clearly post '95 Jordan is a different player to 85-93 Jordan, he adjusted his game to pace himself. When you see players performing without having to do that into their 30s ... that's probably when you know something is up.

I also think basketball in the 90s was kinda behind the curve of PED usage. Baseball was ahead of the curve, football too, basketball and hockey were behind it.

Basketball in the 90s wasn't even that far removed from a time when even just lifting weights wasn't really a pre-requisite thing.

Agreed. Only Michael Jordan didn't do it.

Not like all the mens 100m sprinters have drug problems
Or Jon Jones, Anderson Silva and all the other GOAT UFC guys.
Or Barry Bonds - the best baseball player.
Or Canelo - the best boxer right now.

Nope. MJ - was more than likely clean. Because his ego and he would never just due to being so competitive.


:facepalm

[John8204]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuUILICJOtw

It's easy to look at muscles and say roids...but the more keen observer would look towards yellowing in the eyes as a sign of liver damage. And while that might not be the only sign that Jordan was juicing during his career. His lack of hair.

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/46/b0/27/46b0271294406c9a3df1792808e8d623.jpg

You see how Jordan has a gut but also abs...that's an HGH gut

[eliteballer]

The damage control is hilarious.

Look at Jordan from 30 on and LeBron at 30 on.

Or Jordan as a Wizard and LeBron now.

One clearly is unnaturally athletic and durable, and coincidentally is also the one with everyone talking about PED usage.

The LeRoid fans are hilarious.

[FultzNationRISE]

The damage control is hilarious.

Look at Jordan from 30 on and LeBron at 30 on.

Or Jordan as a Wizard and LeBron now.

One clearly is unnaturally athletic and durable, and coincidentally is also the one with everyone talking about PED usage.

The LeRoid fans are hilarious.

Uhh, except youre missing something extremely obvious.

Steroids reduce the size of your bulge, and we can all plainly see that has NOT happened to Lebron. The outline of his man-cleavage is as ginormous and breathtaking as ever.

DEAL WITH IT.

[ImKobe]

He has no relation to LeBron. We all know Kobe used PEDs in Germany.

Well not necessarily, but the regenokine procedure does mimic the effect that EPOs have on your body, though it uses your own blood to increase the red cell count. In any case, you'd be a fool to think that Lebron or any other NBA player wouldn't be on PEDs with all this money to be made.

[Phoenix]

All that means is Kobe was HUGE. Not necessarily MJ isn't packing. He was content with Kobe. LMAO @ these clowns straight reaching

:oldlol:

[Wally450]

The damage control is hilarious.

Look at Jordan from 30 on and LeBron at 30 on.

Or Jordan as a Wizard and LeBron now.

One clearly is unnaturally athletic and durable, and coincidentally is also the one with everyone talking about PED usage.

The LeRoid fans are hilarious.


You posting pages of photos of LeBron doesn't constitute 'everyone'.

For a guy under the spotlight as much as he is, if nothing has come out now about him, nothing will.

[FireDavidKahn]

EPO is very easily detectable.

[sdot_thadon]

Great source lol. I wouldn't put it past any great athlete honestly. With so much money at stake with contracts and branding it's pretty much like going all in. If Lebron is on anything, it's not doing the job some of you think it is because he's been clearly diminished for years now, his greatness has done a good job of blurring the lines so his decline hasn't seemed so steep.

[Jasper]

MJ and Kobe had performance enhancers too...so do random scrubs in the NBA. Even "illegal surgeries" happen. It really doesn't matter.

Curious to see if any "facts" come out of this.

and what would that be ???

I am all ears

[Jasper]

I hope all of you that brought up MJ and Kobe realize that they were gym rats ,onthe court practicing for hours as well as spending 'hours' in the weight room.

I can truly fathom a guess they never took roids.

Lebron --something is with this guy and it will come out 20 years from now when I am dead.

[BallsOut]

There’s a reason the NBA doesn’t drug test LeBron. The results could forever tarnish the image of the league.

[FKAri]

eliteballer still doesn't get it. He still thinks that unless you look jacked you're clean :oldlol:


I hope all of you that brought up MJ and Kobe realize that they were gym rats ,onthe court practicing for hours as well as spending 'hours' in the weight room.

I can truly fathom a guess they never took roids.

Lebron --something is with this guy and it will come out 20 years from now when I am dead.

Kobe had Ritalin in his system when he died. Now take his other characteristics and throw in the fact that stimulants are probably the most common non-recovery PED in the sport and you can decide for yourself. LeBron is probably also on something. And it's probably a stack of various things.

MJ's a different case because it was a different era. Doubt he was on a stack as varied as the one today's athletes are on even though he did train with Tim Grover. And I don't think stimulants had quite caught on yet.

[BallsOut]

EPO is very easily detectable.

Yet the league is unwilling to drug test LeBron for some reason

:lebronamazed:

[John8204]

I hope all of you that brought up MJ and Kobe realize that they were gym rats ,onthe court practicing for hours as well as spending 'hours' in the weight room.



I don't know about Kobe and frankly I don't know about Lebron and likely won't until after he retires. What I do know/see is that MJ has a number of signs of steroid damage while say a Karl Malone still looks like he can kick some butt.

[Lebron23]

Lebron never tested positive for any drug test even when he was playing in the Olympics.

[eliteballer]

So desperate and deranged:roll:

[Hey Yo]

So desperate and deranged:roll:

Yes you are. That's why you need to seek help, chico

[SATAN]

Yet the league is unwilling to drug test LeBron for some reason

:lebronamazed:

He's been tested before.

You guys literally make Michael Jordan fans look ****ing stupid.

[eliteballer]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1Ie5nmM1Xw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1Ie5nmM1Xw


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gild8BBvrkA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gild8BBvrkA

[eliteballer]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCYTrAvrpnI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCYTrAvrpnI


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ougMITHKVW8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ougMITHKVW8

[eliteballer]

Nothing to see here guys nothing to see move along move along.

[BallsOut]

Lebron never tested positive for any drug test even when he was playing in the Olympics.

That could explain why LeBron’s game stats drop off in international play

:lebronamazed:

[eliteballer]

Apparently Sonnen was one of the first to call out Lance Armstrong..

[eliteballer]

Here's the story behind the 2-week break that turned LeBron James' season around

Windhorst says that late in 2014, James had been moody and his body wasn't 100%. After suddenly deciding not to play in a game against the Hawks, the Cavs gave him take two weeks off to rest, from which he returned healthy and in a better mood, seemingly revitalized by some midseason trades.

"[James] had sort of just like waved a bit of a white flag there. He just didn't feel like playing. He had never done that ever before. He had always just played through it. And so it was after that game, [the Cavaliers] said, 'Alright, take your two weeks off,' because he had reached a very low point."

Nobody is quite sure why James' two-week break turned around his season. He does seem healthier and more explosive. If it was just fatigue and simple aches that he was dealing with, then two weeks may have been enough to revitalize him.

https://www.businessinsider.com/lebron-james-2-week-break-turned-his-season-around-2015-4

[Lebron23]

That could explain why LeBron’s game stats drop off in international play

:lebronamazed:

Still averaged more points than Kobe in the 2007 Fiba Americas, 2008 and 2012 Olympics.

[Lebron23]

Apparently Sonnen was one of the first to call out Lance Armstrong..

I think you are an idiot.

[Axe]

I think you are an idiot.
:lol

[kawhileonard2]

And stacking the deck.

[BarberSchool]

ANYONE who thinks LeBron James hasn’t used and abused many different PED’s since entering the league, is either a NAIVE CHILD who looks at LeBron like a morally infallible superhero lol…. Or has extremely deficient judgement and pattern recognition.

[Soundwave]

Apparently Sonnen was one of the first to call out Lance Armstrong..

Yup, also people shit all over Jose Canseco for saying A-Rod was on roids way before others and said he was just doing it for attention and what not ... and guess what?

Canseco was 100% right.

Bigger mouthed personalities are probably more likely to blab about this stuff, it doesn't mean they're wrong.

[Gohan]

I think you are an idiot.

Youre worse than will smith

[BallsOut]

ANYONE who thinks LeBron James hasn’t used and abused many different PED’s since entering the league, is either a NAIVE CHILD who looks at LeBron like a morally infallible superhero lol…. Or has extremely deficient judgement and pattern recognition.

:lebronamazed:

[Da_Realist]

Where's LeBron's defamation lawsuit?

[WhiteKyrie]

Where's LeBron's defamation lawsuit?

Exactly

[eliteballer]

Let there be light brothers...not that it was f*ckin rocket science anyway.

[eliteballer]

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/uncle-shale-says-lebron-takes-epo.4281891/

[SATAN]

You can find doctors and pro body builders claiming LeBron doesn't appear to be on any illegal substances also.

You guys are weird as **** and likely either morbidly obese, are pencil necked geeks or have terrible genetics.

[BallsOut]

You can find doctors and pro body builders claiming LeBron doesn't appear to be on any illegal substances also.

You guys are weird as **** and likely either morbidly obese, are pencil necked geeks or have terrible genetics.

Pot calling the kettle black

[SATAN]

Pot calling the kettle black

**** off you worthless piece of shit.

[warriorfan]

Where's LeBron's defamation lawsuit?

:roll:

checkmate

[eliteballer]

https://i.insider.com/62feb12eec781d001868c406?width=600&format=jpeg&auto=webp

https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/lebron-james-of-the-cleveland-cavaliers-looks-to-pass-against-the-san-picture-id85153038

[Manny98]

All the top athletes use PEDs

[eliteballer]

All the top athletes use PEDs

No they don't LeRoid groupie, then everyone would be playing like their 25 when pushing 40 like LeRoid:roll:

No ya'll aint even denying, just trying to project.

[Manny98]

No they don't LeRoid groupie, then everyone would be playing like their 25 when pushing 40 like LeRoid:roll:

No ya'll aint even denying, just trying to project.
You're a complete idiot if you think LeBron is for some reason the only person in the entire NBA/NFL that's using :facepalm

[warriorfan]

the majority of pro athletes use some sort of PED’s, lebron just does it way more egregiously.

[RRR3]

the majority of pro athletes use some sort of PED’s, lebron just does it way more egregiously.
The gerbil shrivels in the clutch.

[warriorfan]

The gerbil shrivels in the clutch.

you are some chubby fat mommas boy who works at a library your entire pathetic existence is shriveled

[RRR3]

Look at that crack-fueled meltdown :roll:

[warriorfan]

Look at that crack-fueled meltdown :roll:

dont talk about your mom like that, all she wants to do is for you to clean your room

[BallsOut]

you are some chubby fat mommas boy who works at a library your entire pathetic existence is shriveled

:lebronamazed:

[Da_Realist]

Forget lawsuit, he hasn't even denied it. This guy is on social media telling everybody about his dreams but he has nothing to say about this? These allegations have been around for a while and now someone explicitly, on camera, directly accuses LeBron of using and even says he knows the guy he gets it from. Either the guy is lying or he isn't. I know LeBron is hoping this will just go away but it won't. People will bring up "LJ" from the lab in Miami. They will analyze his physique throughout the years. They'll wonder about the cramping in the Finals and the hair loss. Hulk Hogan vitamins? They will wonder why he is putting up numbers in his late 30's after playing 20 something years. He is Lance Armstrong-ing the league with plenty of people making subtle and not so subtle accusations. I didn't want to believe Lance Armstrong even when it went past common sense to keep denying it. This will be a cloud hanging over "LJ's" head for ever unless gets out in front of this. When will the queen of social media speak up?

[BallsOut]

Forget lawsuit, he hasn't even denied it. This guy is on social media telling everybody about his dreams but he has nothing to say about this? These allegations have been around for a while and now someone explicitly, on camera, directly accuses LeBron of using and even says he knows the guy he gets it from. Either the guy is lying or he isn't. I know LeBron is hoping this will just go away but it won't. People will bring up "LJ" from the lab in Miami. They will analyze his physique throughout the years. They'll wonder about the cramping in the Finals and the hair loss. Hulk Hogan vitamins? They will wonder why he is putting up numbers in his late 30's after playing 20 something years. He is Lance Armstrong-ing the league with plenty of people making subtle and not so subtle accusations. I didn't want to believe Lance Armstrong even when it went past common sense to keep denying it. This will be a cloud hanging over "LJ's" head for ever unless gets out in front of this. When will the queen of social media speak up?

Step 1. Change the subject

Step 2. Hope people forget the accusation

Step 3. Repeat

[Soundwave]

I think Wade got LeBron into this crap in Miami (which is a known hot bed for PED usage).

You see your best friend and guy you think is the 2nd best player in the league doing it, and you think "well if he's doing it, damn I'm missing out I guess. Maybe I should try it once" and it starts there and you get a boost from it and welp the rest writes itself.

And it's so blatantly obvious Wade was on some shit, lol. He just had pre-existing knee problems and steroids/HGH or any of that stuff is going to be limited in what it can do there.

The other stuff is fishy as shit too like LeBron having to leave the Cavs (2nd time around) to fly to Miami to take a "vacation" in season and then coming back from that "rejuvenated" ... like c'mon lol. Like what is so magical about Miami that he had to go there for a short period of time to get his game together?

[FKAri]

Forget lawsuit, he hasn't even denied it. This guy is on social media telling everybody about his dreams but he has nothing to say about this? These allegations have been around for a while and now someone explicitly, on camera, directly accuses LeBron of using and even says he knows the guy he gets it from. Either the guy is lying or he isn't. I know LeBron is hoping this will just go away but it won't. People will bring up "LJ" from the lab in Miami. They will analyze his physique throughout the years. They'll wonder about the cramping in the Finals and the hair loss. Hulk Hogan vitamins? They will wonder why he is putting up numbers in his late 30's after playing 20 something years. He is Lance Armstrong-ing the league with plenty of people making subtle and not so subtle accusations. I didn't want to believe Lance Armstrong even when it went past common sense to keep denying it. This will be a cloud hanging over "LJ's" head for ever unless gets out in front of this. When will the queen of social media speak up?
Lance Armstrong's case did not go past common sense because it turned out his competitors were also all doing it. I think it's the same case here. EPO and similar endurance boosts have become common in basketball and soccer. I don't know how common it is in the NBA but I know it's wide spread in elite soccer.

But none of these things have any affect on hair loss or cramping or physique. You're thinking of steroids and they aren't much of a thing in basketball. Maybe it was in the 90s(because it was in every sport) but the risk/reward isn't there anymore. Maybe HGH.

[WhiteKyrie]

Forget lawsuit, he hasn't even denied it. This guy is on social media telling everybody about his dreams but he has nothing to say about this? These allegations have been around for a while and now someone explicitly, on camera, directly accuses LeBron of using and even says he knows the guy he gets it from. Either the guy is lying or he isn't. I know LeBron is hoping this will just go away but it won't. People will bring up "LJ" from the lab in Miami. They will analyze his physique throughout the years. They'll wonder about the cramping in the Finals and the hair loss. Hulk Hogan vitamins? They will wonder why he is putting up numbers in his late 30's after playing 20 something years. He is Lance Armstrong-ing the league with plenty of people making subtle and not so subtle accusations. I didn't want to believe Lance Armstrong even when it went past common sense to keep denying it. This will be a cloud hanging over "LJ's" head for ever unless gets out in front of this. When will the queen of social media speak up?

Ding, ding

:applause:


I think Wade got LeBron into this crap in Miami (which is a known hot bed for PED usage).

You see your best friend and guy you think is the 2nd best player in the league doing it, and you think "well if he's doing it, damn I'm missing out I guess. Maybe I should try it once" and it starts there and you get a boost from it and welp the rest writes itself.

And it's so blatantly obvious Wade was on some shit, lol. He just had pre-existing knee problems and steroids/HGH or any of that stuff is going to be limited in what it can do there.

The other stuff is fishy as shit too like LeBron having to leave the Cavs (2nd time around) to fly to Miami to take a "vacation" in season and then coming back from that "rejuvenated" ... like c'mon lol. Like what is so magical about Miami that he had to go there for a short period of time to get his game together?
More gets it. :applause:

[eliteballer]

They are so shook.

[ShawkFactory]

They are so shook.

Bro you've been shook for quite some time.

[BallsOut]

I think Wade got LeBron into this crap in Miami (which is a known hot bed for PED usage).

You see your best friend and guy you think is the 2nd best player in the league doing it, and you think "well if he's doing it, damn I'm missing out I guess. Maybe I should try it once" and it starts there and you get a boost from it and welp the rest writes itself.

And it's so blatantly obvious Wade was on some shit, lol. He just had pre-existing knee problems and steroids/HGH or any of that stuff is going to be limited in what it can do there.

The other stuff is fishy as shit too like LeBron having to leave the Cavs (2nd time around) to fly to Miami to take a "vacation" in season and then coming back from that "rejuvenated" ... like c'mon lol. Like what is so magical about Miami that he had to go there for a short period of time to get his game together?

:lebronamazed:

[Soundwave]

Even when LeBron was on the Heat, I remember there was lots of discussion on this board and other boards that LeBron at times seemed to not be himself and just seemed "off" and not as explosive athletically for random stretches, which looking back at it now seems like a tell tale sign of cycling on/off PEDs.

I would guess as the years have gone on and the PEDs have evolved, he's probably gotten his cycle/stack down to a science so that the dips are minimal if he is using.

[BallsOut]

Even when LeBron was on the Heat, I remember there was lots of discussion on this board and other boards that LeBron at times seemed to not be himself and just seemed "off" and not as explosive athletically for random stretches, which looking back at it now seems like a tell tale sign of cycling on/off PEDs.

I would guess as the years have gone on and the PEDs have evolved, he's probably gotten his cycle/stack down to a science so that the dips are minimal if he is using.

Interesting

[John8204]

You need to prove damages for defamation to work...that hasn't happened.

Also has any player ever sued over this?

[kawhileonard2]

This isn't something new

[VictorMosquito]

Crazy its confirmed like this. Is lebron barred from the hall of fame now or do we not care about that for basketball

[WhiteKyrie]

Even when LeBron was on the Heat, I remember there was lots of discussion on this board and other boards that LeBron at times seemed to not be himself and just seemed "off" and not as explosive athletically for random stretches, which looking back at it now seems like a tell tale sign of cycling on/off PEDs.

I would guess as the years have gone on and the PEDs have evolved, he's probably gotten his cycle/stack down to a science so that the dips are minimal if he is using.

I remember this as well. He was really slow and plodding … quickness and burst wise in 2011. Couldn’t get by defenders at all off the dribble or triple threat without picks.

Then of course the weird random super dramatic weight loss to start the 2014 - 2015 season, before he came back to Cleveland. Which just happened to coincide with a new drug testing policy from the players union. He looked meager athletically all of a sudden in the first several weeks of the season. Couldn’t dunk and was jagging layups. Then in January takes a random two week vacay to Miami and comes back and is automatically super explosive athletically again.

It’s not coincidence.

I think where there is smoke, there is fire. And yes the drugs have probably got better and more sophisticated with time. His body and for all intents and purposes minimal regression athletically from 2015 - Now, makes it more than obvious he’s got to be on something.

[BallsOut]

Modern PEDs focus more on recovery and endurance as opposed to peak performance. This wasn't the cast a few decades ago.



As an ESPN insider, I have some sway with them. I just sent this to ESPN.

What did ESPN say?

[eliteballer]

I remember this as well. He was really slow and plodding … quickness and burst wise in 2011. Couldn’t get by defenders at all off the dribble or triple threat without picks.

Then of course the weird random super dramatic weight loss to start the 2014 - 2015 season, before he came back to Cleveland. Which just happened to coincide with a new drug testing policy from the players union. He looked meager athletically all of a sudden in the first several weeks of the season. Couldn’t dunk and was jagging layups. Then in January takes a random two week vacay to Miami and comes back and is automatically super explosive athletically again.

It’s not coincidence.

I think where there is smoke, there is fire. And yes the drugs have probably got better and more sophisticated with time. His body and for all intents and purposes minimal regression athletically from 2015 - Now, makes it more than obvious he’s got to be on something.

Quite mysterious indeed.


Here's the story behind the 2-week break that turned LeBron James' season around



LeBron was going to play, and LeBron just decided, 'I'm not gonna play.' Like, at the last minute, he told them, 'I'm not playing.' Didn't even come out to the bench, just sat in the back, didn't come out."

Windhorst says the Cavaliers' brass was stunned.

"[James] had sort of just like waved a bit of a white flag there. He just didn't feel like playing. He had never done that ever before. He had always just played through it. And so it was after that game, [the Cavaliers] said, 'Alright, take your two weeks off,' because he had reached a very low point."


James returned from his two-week break in Miami on January 13 to play the Phoenix Suns. The Cavs lost that game, pushing them to 19-20, but James had his best game of the season to that point, totalling 33 points, 7 rebounds, and 5 assists.

Since that game, that Cavs have gone 29-7, while James has averaged 24.5 points, 48.5% shooting, six rebounds, and seven assists per game.


Nobody is quite sure why James' two-week break turned around his season. He does seem healthier and more explosive. If it was just fatigue and simple aches that he was dealing with, then two weeks may have been enough to revitalize him.

https://www.businessinsider.com/lebron-james-2-week-break-turned-his-season-around-2015-4

[WhiteKyrie]

Quite mysterious indeed.









https://www.businessinsider.com/lebron-james-2-week-break-turned-his-season-around-2015-4

Oh I know, I remember it quite well. Visibly he looked like he aged well 10 years from June 2014 during the Finals.

And this coincided with weight loss under the guise of a random try hard experiment diet (right before the season?!) with the new drug testing policy.

Is pathetic athletically and looks to have very visibly regressed, and then two weeks in Miami suddenly and shockingly and came back looking like an entirely different player. Back to his normal.

And it’s been that way ever since. Minimal regression athletically until the past 2 seasons where if you know what you’re watching or seen him his entire career, it’s quite visible even if minimal overall.

He looked like shit in 2011 with a testing policy going on that season as we. Out of any NBA superstar ever, with the exception of the very obvious 2003 and 2005 weight gains from Kobe, never has their been seasons more obvious a megastar was visibly on something.

[warriorfan]

Oh I know, I remember it quite well. Visibly he looked like he aged well 10 years from June 2014 during the Finals.

And this coincided with weight loss under the guise of a random try hard experiment diet (right before the season?!) with the new drug testing policy.

Is pathetic athletically and looks to have very visibly regressed, and then two weeks in Miami suddenly and shockingly and came back looking like an entirely different player. Back to his normal.

And it’s been that way ever since. Minimal regression athletically until the past 2 seasons where if you know what you’re watching or seen him his entire career, it’s quite visible even if minimal overall.

He looked like shit in 2011 with a testing policy going on that season as we. Out of any NBA superstar ever, with the exception of the very obvious 2003 and 2005 weight gains from Kobe, never has their been seasons more obvious a megastar was visibly on something.

He said he was on some paleo diet eating a bunch of fish and that was the reason he lost tons of muscle mass and always looked drained.

:roll: :roll:

[BallsOut]

Oh I know, I remember it quite well. Visibly he looked like he aged well 10 years from June 2014 during the Finals.

And this coincided with weight loss under the guise of a random try hard experiment diet (right before the season?!) with the new drug testing policy.

Is pathetic athletically and looks to have very visibly regressed, and then two weeks in Miami suddenly and shockingly and came back looking like an entirely different player. Back to his normal.

And it’s been that way ever since. Minimal regression athletically until the past 2 seasons where if you know what you’re watching or seen him his entire career, it’s quite visible even if minimal overall.

He looked like shit in 2011 with a testing policy going on that season as we. Out of any NBA superstar ever, with the exception of the very obvious 2003 and 2005 weight gains from Kobe, never has their been seasons more obvious a megastar was visibly on something.

How does LeBron look now on 2023 coming back from an injury just 3 games ago?

:lebronamazed:

[FKAri]

Even when LeBron was on the Heat, I remember there was lots of discussion on this board and other boards that LeBron at times seemed to not be himself and just seemed "off" and not as explosive athletically for random stretches, which looking back at it now seems like a tell tale sign of cycling on/off PEDs.

I would guess as the years have gone on and the PEDs have evolved, he's probably gotten his cycle/stack down to a science so that the dips are minimal if he is using.


I remember this as well. He was really slow and plodding … quickness and burst wise in 2011. Couldn’t get by defenders at all off the dribble or triple threat without picks.

Then of course the weird random super dramatic weight loss to start the 2014 - 2015 season, before he came back to Cleveland. Which just happened to coincide with a new drug testing policy from the players union. He looked meager athletically all of a sudden in the first several weeks of the season. Couldn’t dunk and was jagging layups. Then in January takes a random two week vacay to Miami and comes back and is automatically super explosive athletically again.

It’s not coincidence.

I think where there is smoke, there is fire. And yes the drugs have probably got better and more sophisticated with time. His body and for all intents and purposes minimal regression athletically from 2015 - Now, makes it more than obvious he’s got to be on something.

I think this is the wrong perspective. A lot of these issues aren't due to a lack of explosiveness or quickness. It's due to a lack of stamina. That's where EPO comes in.

[BallsOut]

How about those roids?

[BallsOut]

Get those roids ready for game 6 LeBron

:lebronamazed:

[BallsOut]

Crazy its confirmed like this. Is lebron barred from the hall of fame now or do we not care about that for basketball

It’s also crazy sports media or just news in general is not covering this big discovery. You would think a budding journalist could benefit from such a controversial fact coming to light and exposing a league that has allowed it and may have even tried to sweep it under the rug.

[bluechox2]

Wouldn’t be surprised if lebron fakes an injury during elimination game

[plowking]

I find it hilarious a lot of the Kobe and Jordan fans think their heroes weren't on it as well.

82 games + another 20 for playoffs - back to back to back, and you think these guys are doing it without some illegal substances? What is the incentive? Oh nothing... Just a couple hundred million dollars.

All your fav athletes are on something.

[Lebron23]

Kobe is rolling in his grave

[John8204]

I find it hilarious a lot of the Kobe and Jordan fans think their heroes weren't on it as well.

82 games + another 20 for playoffs - back to back to back, and you think these guys are doing it without some illegal substances? What is the incentive? Oh nothing... Just a couple hundred million dollars.

All your fav athletes are on something.

I don't know about Kobe....but MJ is the basketball equivalent to Barry Bonds. He has so many signs of longterm drug use...between his f'd up eyes, roid belly, and loss of hair (when he gained muscle).

[3ba11]

Was there any follow-up to this?

Where's Chael's 60 Minutes interview over this?

No follow up by media on this story?

[FKAri]

I don't know about Kobe....but MJ is the basketball equivalent to Barry Bonds. He has so many signs of longterm drug use...between his f'd up eyes, roid belly, and loss of hair (when he gained muscle).
"roid belly" lmao. MJ's not gonna have roid belly(GH gut) dummy. That's not how it works. There's no signs MJ was on anything other than the Tim Grover connection which is about as flimsy as LeBron's connection.

Kobe on the other hand had ritalin show up in his toxicology report. And this guy was known to sleep less than 5 hours on the regular. Pretty much a smoking gun.

[John8204]

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/46/b0/27/46b0271294406c9a3df1792808e8d623.jpg

When your stomach has abs and descends further out than your chest...that is a roid gut.

[BallsOut]

I find it hilarious a lot of the Kobe and Jordan fans think their heroes weren't on it as well.

82 games + another 20 for playoffs - back to back to back, and you think these guys are doing it without some illegal substances? What is the incentive? Oh nothing... Just a couple hundred million dollars.

All your fav athletes are on something.

LeBron being on peds according to the ESPN insider is the only proof currently available.

[eliteballer]

Dude looks f*cking massive tonight.

[BallsOut]

Dude looks f*cking massive tonight.

Roid rage?

[BallsOut]

Is LeBron not using peds in these playoffs? Maybe the ESPN insider scared the roids into hiding

[tpols]

I don't get why we care so much if a guy takes substances to make himself stronger. Isn't that the whole goal of sports? Did anybody have a problem with Arnold and all those body builders taking a million roids and becoming champions?

Lebron is obviously on a high level cocktail but that's life. When it comes to cheating the sport of basketball I think the refs and how they're told to call games and favor certain players is far more nefarious and cheating of the game of basketball.

I honestly wish there were no free throws. Just a foul limit and obviously ejection if you perform some crazy assault. Guys would still have to make sure not to foul so they don't foul out, but it would just be check ball. Every bucket scored from the field.

[tpols]

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/46/b0/27/46b0271294406c9a3df1792808e8d623.jpg

When your stomach has abs and descends further out than your chest...that is a roid gut.

That's about the weakest case for a roid gut I've ever seen.

https://www.evolutionary.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/davepolumbo.jpg

That's a roid gut.

[John8204]

That's a roid gut.

In a bodybuilder sure...but not all drug users use roids for bulk.

This is also what a steroid user looks like

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1800/2299/articles/anderson-silva_1024x1024.jpg?v=1607721296

If it were just the gut than I would say...Jordan's clean
- bald before he 25
- notorious for mood swings
- ties to a steroid user
- played in the unregulated era...where everyone was on drugs then left the sport during the baseball trials and returned when basketball wasn't going to be investigated like baseball.
-currently has yellow eyes a sign of liver damage common in steroid users

[Walk on Water]

Lebron looked pretty skinny in his shirtless lockerroom interview after game 7

[tpols]

In a bodybuilder sure...but not all drug users use roids for bulk.

This is also what a steroid user looks like

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1800/2299/articles/anderson-silva_1024x1024.jpg?v=1607721296

If it were just the gut than I would say...Jordan's clean
- bald before he 25
- notorious for mood swings
- ties to a steroid user
- played in the unregulated era...where everyone was on drugs then left the sport during the baseball trials and returned when basketball wasn't going to be investigated like baseball.
-currently has yellow eyes a sign of liver damage common in steroid users

All of those things can occur from heavy alcohol use. And Michael was a known drinker and gambler. If anything he handicapped himself with that stuff and still became the GOAT.

[eliteballer]

https://images2.minutemediacdn.com/image/fetch/w_736,h_485,c_fill,g_auto,f_auto/https%3A%2F%2Flakeshowlife.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2Fgetty-images%2F2022%2F05%2F101246164-850x560.jpeg


https://i.insider.com/5ec2038019182438795d88b3?width=700

[eliteballer]

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/b6/22/c2/b622c23710df06e9d8fdffa44f475994--cleveland-cavs-king-james.jpg


https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/lebron-james-of-the-cleveland-cavaliers-looks-to-pass-against-the-san-picture-id85153038


https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/UkLrKr3KVvmKb9pLowD34pgjRlg=/0x0:1000x667/1200x800/filters:focal(0x0:1000x667)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/photo_images/2971465/GYI0065063672.jpg


https://www4.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/LeBron+James+Orlando+Magic+v+Cleveland+Cavaliers+i CV3WkaL3MTl.jpg


https://sa.kapamilya.com/absnews/abscbnnews/media/2020/news/11/21/montrezl-harrell.jpg

[eliteballer]

https://image-cdn.essentiallysports.com/wp-content/uploads/20200306212407/lebron-james-best-stories-twojpg.jpg

https://www.yardbarker.com/media/b/7/b7a9f6fedb6161fe63067f6e1eff720d262140e2/thumb_16x9/lebron-james-on-lead-lakers-anthony-davis.jpg?v=1

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[eliteballer]

So deranged and desperate to deflect:oldlol:

[John8204]

All of those things can occur from heavy alcohol use. And Michael was a known drinker and gambler. If anything he handicapped himself with that stuff and still became the GOAT.

Very true but that brings us to the second point...Michael's character. Michael Jordan is a womanizer, gambler, who had shady friends and business dealings. He was notorious for having a temper and took a swing at Steve Kerr. Now after geting his brains battered in by Mahorn, Laimbeer, Salley and all those Pistons is it out of the question that Michael wouldn't try and get an edge.

I think the difference between Lebron and MJ was Lebron used his money to hire a biochemist and push the line as hard as he could without going over it. Jordan I believe got off cheating whenever he could because that's in his character.

[BallsOut]

Is LeBron using peds for game 2?

[plowking]

So deranged and desperate to deflect:oldlol:

Might want to take a look through the thread and see who the deranged and desperate one is with the amount of posts replying to himself.

Hint - its you.

[BallsOut]

The timing of ESPN insider news break of LeBron using peds seems to coincide with the time LeBron stats fell off a cliff.

Coincidence??

[BallsOut]

Is LeBron using peds for game 4?

[Facepalm]

I don't think MJ really did, I think he just adjusted his game (clear as day) as he got older to rely more on conserving energy and not dunking as much and utilizing post jumpers. If he was abusing effective PEDs, that probably shouldn't have been necessary.

I'm not as sure about Kobe.

If a player is basically playing the same exact style into their mid-late 30s as they were 10 years prior ... that's probably a red flag for PED usage.

didn't kobe go to germany for some treatment that wasn't approved in america? i forgot the details

[Nb1]

If Lebron does, he's on the worst gear i've ever seen. Dude is the most gassed player out of everyone in the playoffs rn.

He should give Curry a call, never seen someone run around for the whole game every single time and never get tired.

[BallsOut]

Did LeBron get drug tested after game 6? Or is it too risky for the image of the NBA this point?

[BarberSchool]

If Lebron does, he's on the worst gear i've ever seen. Dude is the most gassed player out of everyone in the playoffs rn.

He should give Curry a call, never seen someone run around for the whole game every single time and never get tired.His foot is not 100%, that’s a significant part of why we are seeing him play off ball during significant periods of late game situations.

As for his cardio/endurance, LeBron’s Erythripotein usage allows him to have better cardiovascular endurance and metabolize of then better and heal faster than he naturally would be able to at his age and mileage.

[BarberSchool]

Did LeBron get drug tested after game 6? Or is it too risky for the image of the NBA this point?

They won’t drug test a cash cow in a huge market, unless one of two things happens with him:

1. He goes against some narrative they invested in, in either basketball, or aspirations towards global governance and global trade/finance.

2. The feds lean in on the league super heavy, with all the logs of guilt proving internal messaging, and other evidence that the league front office knows they can’t wiggle out of. So the league complies and sinks it’s cash cow, to save itself.

[dreamshake]

His foot is not 100%, that’s a significant part of why we are seeing him play off ball during significant periods of late game situations.

As for his cardio/endurance, LeBron’s Erythripotein usage allows him to have better cardiovascular endurance and metabolize of then better and heal faster than he naturally would be able to at his age and mileage.

Is Erythriprotein legal to use in the NBA?

[eliteballer]

The timing of ESPN insider news break of LeBron using peds seems to coincide with the time LeBron stats fell off a cliff.

Coincidence??

Nah. He still looks as big as a house.

[3ba11]

it's amazing that this story got zero follow-up - it's proof that the league and media tries to rig everything for Lebron

[Nb1]

His foot is not 100%, that’s a significant part of why we are seeing him play off ball during significant periods of late game situations.

As for his cardio/endurance, LeBron’s Erythripotein usage allows him to have better cardiovascular endurance and metabolize of then better and heal faster than he naturally would be able to at his age and mileage.

I’m sorry, but look at Curry’s physique developpment at 35 and how much he runs without ever getting tired. He literally outruns every single player out there, even youngsters look dead tired while he’s still running around like crazy.

How can anyone blame Bron who is just plodding around, not really doing too much on defense and looks totally gassed after 20min in every game, but not look into a guy that runs twice as much as any player and is still going 100% at the end of the 4th lol.

Like i said, if Bron is on some gear he’s on the worst gear ever and needs to give Curry a call, bc that shit is for sure not working and Curry is on sth who makes him have never seen before superman cardio.

[dreamshake]

I’m sorry, but look at Curry’s physique developpment at 35 and how much he runs without ever getting tired. He literally outruns every single player out there, even youngsters look dead tired while he’s still running around like crazy.

How can anyone blame Bron who is just plodding around, not really doing too much on defense and looks totally gassed after 20min in every game, but not look into a guy that runs twice as much as any player and is still going 100% at the end of the 4th lol.

Like i said, if Bron is on some gear he’s on the worst gear ever and needs to give Curry a call, bc that shit is for sure not working and Curry is on sth who makes him have never seen before superman cardio.

Curry plays way less minutes than LeBron. LeBron is 39? Pretty obvious which one is using peds.

[BallsOut]

it's amazing that this story got zero follow-up - it's proof that the league and media tries to rig everything for Lebron

Another near 30pt triple double game for LeBron and the league doesn’t bat an eye. Not even a single drug test was requested.

[eliteballer]

:eek:

[eliteballer]

Dude was prophetic.

[eliteballer]

Anyone figure this shit out?

[tontoz]

This clown will never get over his obsession with Lebron's body. Him and Fultz :oldlol:

[eliteballer]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVsRdbjUXOI

[eliteballer]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=va6RnMCDzz8

[eliteballer]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ym5jLD-NPMw

[Soundwave]

Everyone saw how badly the steroid scandals of the 90s/2000s hurt baseball, the other sports leagues, especially the NBA won't allow that to happen to them.

There's no way the NBA is ever testing LeBron in a way where he wouldn't have ample heads up that a test is coming and even if the test came back positive, I'm pretty sure the NBA powers that be would bury that test.

And honestly I can't blame them. Who cares from their POV, this is an entertainment business where they have billion dollar franchise values to protect. I'd probably do the exact same thing in Adam Silver's place, ain't no superstar testing positive and that story making it out to the public. Not on my watch.

[Wardell Curry]

There's no way the NBA is ever testing LeBron in a way where he wouldn't have ample heads up that a test is coming and even if the test came back positive, I'm pretty sure the NBA powers that be would bury that test.

And honestly I can't blame them. Who cares from their POV, this is an entertainment business where they have billion dollar franchise values to protect. I'd probably do the exact same thing in Adam Silver's place, ain't no superstar testing positive and that story making it out to the public. Not on my watch.

Agreed on all fronts. If the amount of players juicing in the NBA was made public right now there would be heaping amounts of fake outrage just like the crazy OP for a decade+ Nevermind its second biggest star ever testing positive, lol.

So many of them are doing it. They really should just make it permissible and or legal.

[Baller234]

Agreed on all fronts. If the amount of players juicing in the NBA was made public right now there would be heaping amounts of fake outrage just like the crazy OP for a decade+ Nevermind its second biggest star ever testing positive, lol.

So many of them are doing it. They really should just make it permissible and or legal.

Why would you just assume the outrage is fake? You don't think there are genuine fans who love the game and would prefer if the athletes themselves were competing on a level playing field?

If by chance it were proven beyond of a shadow of a doubt that Bron was using PED's, I'm sorry that is a huge stain both on his legacy as well as the game of basketball. There's nothing "fake" about that if you ask me.

[Wardell Curry]

Why would you just assume the outrage is fake? You don't think there are genuine fans who love the game and would prefer if the athletes themselves were competing on a level playing field?

If by chance it were proven beyond of a shadow of a doubt that Bron was using PED's, I'm sorry that is a huge stain both on his legacy as well as the game of basketball. There's nothing "fake" about that if you ask me.

Because if it came out that MJ and Kobe were on steroids, it would be all quiet on the Western front from eliteballer. It's fake outrage.

LeBron is absolutely on PEDs and there are a lot more like him. I think most of the league is. It's a shame we'll never know who is legit and who isn't. We've had very very skinny NBA players get busted for PEDs. For obvious reasons eliterballer only wants to obsess on LeBron's size and pretend those who bulk up are the only people who aren't clean.

[WhiteKyrie]

MJ wasn’t on steroids :oldlol: why is he even being brought up when the smoke is around LeBron James? Steroids or HGH or performance enhancers certainly didn’t help MJ at ages 38-40 on the Wizards playing slightly overweight and on one knee? Kobe maybe in summer of 2002. Summer of 2004. And the blood doping thing for his knee in Germany. But the only ones where it seemed really noticeable was Bron and post 2008 Wade.

[tpols]

The old school guys weren't on steroids. They were scared of even lifting for Pete's sake. It's obvious the new guys are on designer steroids not to get jacked necessarily but more like Lance Armstrong blood oxygen doping. MJ was out drinking, smoking cigars and gambling... he actually handicapped himself in a way.

[hold this L]

The old school guys weren't on steroids. They were scared of even lifting for Pete's sake. It's obvious the new guys are on designer steroids not to get jacked necessarily but more like Lance Armstrong blood oxygen doping. MJ was out drinking, smoking cigars and gambling... he actually handicapped himself in a way.

The old guys were constantly drinking, taking drugs, but you think steroids is where they drew the line?

[tpols]

The old guys were constantly drinking, taking drugs, but you think steroids is where they drew the line?


Well that's kind of the point. Dudes back then were handicapping their physical potential where as Lebron treats his body in a pristine matter. I don't have a problem with guys taking PEDs. Why not make yourself stronger? People like to grandstand and say "oh but it's dangerous for their health!" ...like what? Dudes in a million times better physical shape than 99% of people. There's a difference between use and abuse. And it's not cheating if everybody is doing it. Which is why the whole MLB and cycling scandals were a joke.

[WhiteKyrie]

The old school guys weren't on steroids. They were scared of even lifting for Pete's sake. It's obvious the new guys are on designer steroids not to get jacked necessarily but more like Lance Armstrong blood oxygen doping. MJ was out drinking, smoking cigars and gambling... he actually handicapped himself in a way.

Seriously. Once MJ started lifting he only gained an incremental 5 pounds of muscle each year from the summer of 89 until 93

[plowking]

Well that's kind of the point. Dudes back then were handicapping their physical potential where as Lebron treats his body in a pristine matter. I don't have a problem with guys taking PEDs. Why not make yourself stronger? People like to grandstand and say "oh but it's dangerous for their health!" ...like what? Dudes in a million times better physical shape than 99% of people. There's a difference between use and abuse. And it's not cheating if everybody is doing it. Which is why the whole MLB and cycling scandals were a joke.

Ah yes - the rest are on it but not MJ.

Kind of like how all the 100m sprinters in the top 30 times ever were all on steroids, but just not Usain Bolt. Yeah - the natural guy is beating all the juiced up guys...

Great logic. lol

You're not that naive.

[FKAri]

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/46/b0/27/46b0271294406c9a3df1792808e8d623.jpg

When your stomach has abs and descends further out than your chest...that is a roid gut.

lmao. You don't know what you're talking about.


Ah yes - the rest are on it but not MJ.

Kind of like how all the 100m sprinters in the top 30 times ever were all on steroids, but just not Usain Bolt. Yeah - the natural guy is beating all the juiced up guys...

Great logic. lol

You're not that naive.

Are you telling me an ambitious, pathologically driven individual would circumvent rules and societal norms to gain an advantage?

[RRR3]

Idiots think steroids were only a huge thing in MLB in the 90s :roll:

[eliteballer]

You LeRoid fans are so predictable, desperate, and deranged.


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