Stars take a lot more responsibility today compared to the past

[iamgine]

For example, Kareem.

Per 100 possession, he took around 22-23 FGA with 7-8 FTA for most of his career.

Today, that would be around Christian Wood FGA and FTA per 100 possession.


One of the greatest scorer of all time. Took the same rate of shots as Christian Wood.

Think about that.

[ArbitraryWater]

So? Games consisted of less possessions, so how could you measure responsibiity by shifting the amount of possessions teams / games had to something that it wasnt and make that your argument? And why do we adjust FGA to something its not?

[Full Court]

Being a ball dominator and chucking up more shots does not equal taking responsibility.

Kareem also had better efficiency than most of today's stars.

[Kblaze8855]

Shooting more isn’t more responsibility. It’s shooting more. I could do a whole thing on how responsibility is more Duncan on the spurs stepping back within the offense to allow player development that eventually got them even more success and not Jerry Stackhouse having 7-34 games but it feels like the kinda thing you either get or you don’t. Not something you can be talked into.

Long story short basketball on the nba level used to be about my team vs your team. Now it’s our guy vs yours and hopefully the shooters level the playing field aside from you two.

Players play in the nba the way they used to play in high school. Get the best player the ball and get out of the way. Used to be they played as if they realized everybody there used to be a star coming up and is capable.

Everyone can’t be the star but everyone was involved. Dantoni helped get rid of that in his second great innovation…..riding the star even when it’s awful to watch:




“People don’t like it, aesthetically it’s not good. I don’t love it, I’d rather pass the ball around. And if I didn’t have a team that had James Harden, guess what! We’d pass the ball around… You got James Harden, I'm gonna make him the best player he could possibly be.”.



It’s simply more efficient at any given moment to run your best stuff to either get your star the ball to isolate or make the defense stop him by freeing a roller to the rim or a shooter.

So instead of variety just do the same thing over and over and over. So the iso guy and his rim runner are both very efficient. How you get 70% shooting bigs who really can’t score and 14 guys who have 40 every week.

You eliminate a lot of the player developing side action in favor of moment to moment efficiency.

I can see how one who didn’t come up on team ball would think it’s being more responsible for the outcome to take all the shots instead of say….calling all the shots like Magic or making sure everyone got involved and improved so the entire lineup could win you playoff games like Duncan…but a stars responsibility goes beyond his FGA.

Making others better isn’t about how many drive and kick opportunities you create your former college player of the year teammates who now can do nothing but stand in the corner as their skills atrophy.

It’s the worst result of expansion. Teams got worse and started the one man army ball as a regular tactic and not an emergency tactic. The natural result over time was “Stand in the corner” while Luka, Harden, or Lebron dribble.

It’s efficient no doubt. But it’s not really making good basketball teams. The teams that don’t play that way seem to win more to me even now. But of course, when everyone does it to some degree, somebody has to win so the people who do it better are reassured that is the right way to go so there’s no going back.

[SouBeachTalents]

OP says some truly stupid shit :lol

[iamgine]

Being a ball dominator and chucking up more shots does not equal taking responsibility.

Kareem also had better efficiency than most of today's stars.

Many of today's stars took a lot more shots AND is more efficient than Kareem.