Tim Duncan struggled in the 2004 Olympics because of defensive 3 seconds rules

[Lebron23]

And also the physicality in FIBA Competitions. In the NBA you can play zone defense but their is a defensive 3 seconds rule. there is only an offensive three-second violation in FIBA, meaning players can stay as long in the paint as they want without any repercussions.

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That's why Team Duncan struggled against slow footed and stiff Center like Roberto Duenas.

[BigShotBob]

Defensive 3 seconds is illegal defense. That has made it easier to score in the NBA along with removal of hand-checking and now freedom of movement.

There you just learned another reason why MJ > your favorite player

[CurryOverLebron]

He struggled because there was no spacing (pre-3 point era and no skilled scorers like Durant on the team that could create spacing by attracting so much defensive attention) or elite point guard play (Kidd, CP3, Rondo type players).

[Lebron23]

Defensive 3 seconds is illegal defense. That has made it easier to score in the NBA along with removal of hand-checking and now freedom of movement.

There you just learned another reason why MJ > your favorite player

HUh?? Michael Jordan averaged 20 ppg when they made Zone defense legal in the NBA. It's easier to score if all players play man to man defense instead of zone defense. Jordan would be a less talented version of Demar Derozan if he plays in today's NBA.

[FKAri]

I think Duncan struggled more due to the inconsistency of the officiating not just the different rules. The refs in the Olympics weren't that good. They've improved over the years but they're still not NBA level. That being said, as one of the leaders of the team he did let it get to his head too much.

[ShawkFactory]

I think Duncan struggled more due to the inconsistency of the officiating not just the different rules. The refs in the Olympics weren't that good. They've improved over the years but they're still not NBA level. That being said, as one of the leaders of the team he did let it get to his head too much.

There's also fairly strong accounts that he (and a lot of the other guys) did not get along with Larry Brown and his style of coaching at all. I think when you combine that with the wildly inconsistent and often selfish guard play, that he kind of checked out at times.

[Xiao Yao You]

HUh?? Michael Jordan averaged 20 ppg when they made Zone defense legal in the NBA. It's easier to score if all players play man to man defense instead of zone defense. Jordan would be a less talented version of Demar Derozan if he plays in today's NBA.

you probably really believe that shit :roll:

[Xiao Yao You]

There's also fairly strong accounts that he (and a lot of the other guys) did not get along with Larry Brown and his style of coaching at all. I think when you combine that with the wildly inconsistent and often selfish guard play, that he kind of checked out at times.

Brown was the wrong coach as was most of the team that was still being picked on hype not on building a team

[Xiao Yao You]

“I was talked into bringing it back and giving it some more love by a couple of Senior Council members on the team,” Hardy said. “So we decided to bring it back and work on it some more. We worked on it the last couple days of practice and thought it’d be a fun opportunity to try to bring it out.” The Jazz used a varied version of a 1-3-1 zone with a ton of switching and some double-teaming to help keep the Celtics from finding a good rhythm. (https://www.deseret.com/2023/3/19/23644903/utah-jazz-analysis-will-hardys-coaching-style) Part of the goal was to keep Jayson Tatum out of the game as much as possible — close him off, deny him, put pressure on him. Tatum ended up going 4 of 12 on the night, and the fact that he only took 12 shots, when he averages 21.4 attempts per game, was proof enough for Hardy that the Jazz’s zone was working.

– via Sarah Todd @ deseret.com (https://www.deseret.com/2023/3/19/23644903/utah-jazz-analysis-will-hardys-coaching-style)




it wasn't easier for Tatum and the Celtics last night against a zone

[paksat]

It's hard to consider duncan as being one of the greatest when you watch that 2004 run

ref's sucked, but he should have been flat out unstoppable and he just wasn't. Just a brutally bad showing by him and probably the primary reason they lost. Yes Iverson sucked too ( same discussion applies with iverson, he should have went bezerk but he's dog sh*t ), but timmy is supposed to be better than shaq according to some people.

[BarberSchool]

HUh?? Michael Jordan averaged 20 ppg when they made Zone defense legal in the NBA. It's easier to score if all players play man to man defense instead of zone defense. Jordan would be a less talented version of Demar Derozan if he plays in today's NBA.it’s amazing that a human who can read and type relatively well, and who has been watching basketball for a long time, could type that and hit send, and expect anyone else to believe it, in the same way they themselves convinced themselves that they believed it. Incredible.

[WhiteKyrie]

Or he’s just a little bit overrated, Allen Iverson was clearly that team’s best and most consistent player

[Xiao Yao You]

Or he’s just a little bit overrated, Allen Iverson was clearly that team’s best and most consistent player

Iverson was a bad choice for the team

[rmt]

Iverson was a bad choice for the team

So was a lot of the team - more designed to promote the young stars and sell jerseys, if you ask me. No spacing - TD is usually surrounded by long distance shooters (with the exception of Parker) - Manu, Bowen, Horry/Bonner. Ray Allen would have been nice.

G 4 Allen Iverson (C) 29 – 7 June 1975 1.82 m (6 ft 0 in) Philadelphia 76ers United States
G 5 Stephon Marbury 27 – 20 February 1977 1.87 m (6 ft 2 in) New York Knicks United States
G 6 Dwyane Wade 22 – 17 January 1982 1.93 m (6 ft 4 in) Miami Heat United States
F 7 Carlos Boozer 22 – 20 November 1981 2.05 m (6 ft 9 in) Cleveland Cavaliers United States
F 8 Carmelo Anthony 20 – 29 May 1984 2.03 m (6 ft 8 in) Denver Nuggets United States
F 9 LeBron James 19 – 30 December 1984 2.03 m (6 ft 8 in) Cleveland Cavaliers United States
C 10 Emeka Okafor 21 – 28 September 1982 2.07 m (6 ft 9 in) Charlotte Bobcats United States
F 11 Shawn Marion 26 – 7 May 1978 2.00 m (6 ft 7 in) Phoenix Suns United States
C 12 Amar'e Stoudemire 21 – 16 November 1982 2.08 m (6 ft 10 in) Phoenix Suns United States
F 13 Tim Duncan (C) 28 – 25 April 1976 2.10 m (6 ft 11 in) San Antonio Spurs United States
F 14 Lamar Odom 24 – 6 November 1979 2.08 m (6 ft 10 in) Miami Heat United States
G 15 Richard Jefferson 24 – 21 June 1980 2.00 m (6 ft 7 in) New Jersey

[WhiteKyrie]

Iverson was a bad choice for the team

No he wasn’t. He was awesome the summer before with the dominant 2003 squad. Duncan and the rest of some of the pieces weren’t remotely good fits. Duncan was putrid.

[1987_Lakers]

So was a lot of the team - more designed to promote the young stars and sell jerseys, if you ask me. No spacing - TD is usually surrounded by long distance shooters (with the exception of Parker) - Manu, Bowen, Horry/Bonner. Ray Allen would have been nice.

G 4 Allen Iverson (C) 29 – 7 June 1975 1.82 m (6 ft 0 in) Philadelphia 76ers United States
G 5 Stephon Marbury 27 – 20 February 1977 1.87 m (6 ft 2 in) New York Knicks United States
G 6 Dwyane Wade 22 – 17 January 1982 1.93 m (6 ft 4 in) Miami Heat United States
F 7 Carlos Boozer 22 – 20 November 1981 2.05 m (6 ft 9 in) Cleveland Cavaliers United States
F 8 Carmelo Anthony 20 – 29 May 1984 2.03 m (6 ft 8 in) Denver Nuggets United States
F 9 LeBron James 19 – 30 December 1984 2.03 m (6 ft 8 in) Cleveland Cavaliers United States
C 10 Emeka Okafor 21 – 28 September 1982 2.07 m (6 ft 9 in) Charlotte Bobcats United States
F 11 Shawn Marion 26 – 7 May 1978 2.00 m (6 ft 7 in) Phoenix Suns United States
C 12 Amar'e Stoudemire 21 – 16 November 1982 2.08 m (6 ft 10 in) Phoenix Suns United States
F 13 Tim Duncan (C) 28 – 25 April 1976 2.10 m (6 ft 11 in) San Antonio Spurs United States
F 14 Lamar Odom 24 – 6 November 1979 2.08 m (6 ft 10 in) Miami Heat United States
G 15 Richard Jefferson 24 – 21 June 1980 2.00 m (6 ft 7 in) New Jersey

Still can't believe they thought it would be a good idea to pair Iverson & Marbury on the same team.

[rmt]

Still can't believe they thought it would be a good idea to pair Iverson & Marbury on the same team.

Ill constructed team - whereas ARG was a TRUE team - used to playing with each other for many years. I also think Larry Brown was a bad choice as coach for THIS team - true, DET had just won the championship but with defense as the cornerstone - his style not suited for the players chosen.

[ShawkFactory]

Ill constructed team - whereas ARG was a TRUE team - used to playing with each other for many years. I also think Larry Brown was a bad choice as coach for THIS team - true, DET had just won the championship but with defense as the cornerstone - his style not suited for the players chosen.

I remember Richard Jefferson a few months ago saying that in the 2003 tournament, that one time Brown was getting on Jason Kidd trying to tell him how to run a break. Like wtf :lol

I think stuff like that is part of the reason why a lot of guys didn't want to play to be honest.

[TAZORAC]

So was a lot of the team - more designed to promote the young stars and sell jerseys, if you ask me. No spacing - TD is usually surrounded by long distance shooters (with the exception of Parker) - Manu, Bowen, Horry/Bonner. Ray Allen would have been nice.

G 4 Allen Iverson (C) 29 – 7 June 1975 1.82 m (6 ft 0 in) Philadelphia 76ers United States
G 5 Stephon Marbury 27 – 20 February 1977 1.87 m (6 ft 2 in) New York Knicks United States
G 6 Dwyane Wade 22 – 17 January 1982 1.93 m (6 ft 4 in) Miami Heat United States
F 7 Carlos Boozer 22 – 20 November 1981 2.05 m (6 ft 9 in) Cleveland Cavaliers United States
F 8 Carmelo Anthony 20 – 29 May 1984 2.03 m (6 ft 8 in) Denver Nuggets United States
F 9 LeBron James 19 – 30 December 1984 2.03 m (6 ft 8 in) Cleveland Cavaliers United States
C 10 Emeka Okafor 21 – 28 September 1982 2.07 m (6 ft 9 in) Charlotte Bobcats United States
F 11 Shawn Marion 26 – 7 May 1978 2.00 m (6 ft 7 in) Phoenix Suns United States
C 12 Amar'e Stoudemire 21 – 16 November 1982 2.08 m (6 ft 10 in) Phoenix Suns United States
F 13 Tim Duncan (C) 28 – 25 April 1976 2.10 m (6 ft 11 in) San Antonio Spurs United States
F 14 Lamar Odom 24 – 6 November 1979 2.08 m (6 ft 10 in) Miami Heat United States
G 15 Richard Jefferson 24 – 21 June 1980 2.00 m (6 ft 7 in) New Jersey

Established stars turned the team down that year. Mcgrady, Carter, Bryant even Shaq was still dominate in 04.

Larry Brown and shity shooting were the problems with the team not Duncan.

Iverson and Marbury couldn't hit a 3 to save their lives.

[TAZORAC]

I remember Richard Jefferson a few months ago saying that in the 2003 tournament, that one time Brown was getting on Jason Kidd trying to tell him how to run a break. Like wtf :lol

I think stuff like that is part of the reason why a lot of guys didn't want to play to be honest.

Larry Brown only played 6 players in most of the games, Odom, iverson, marybury, duncan, jefferson, and i think boozer