Michael Jordan was a failure as a Washington Wizard.

[Lebron23]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1f7581iLzQ&t=385s

The Washington Wizards 2001-02 and 2002-03 seasons:

Wizards won 47.2 % of the time with Michael Jordan
Wizards won 31.8 % of the time without Michael Jordan
+15.4% Jordan with/without
(38-39 win pace with Jordan on 82 games. Bottom seeded team in 01/02 and 02/03 was at 42 wins)

Wizards had a net rating of -0.9 with Michael Jordan
Wizards had a net rating of -4.1 without Michael Jordan
+3.2 Jordan with/without

Wizards were -0.2 with Jordan on court
Wizards were -2.8 with Jordan off the court
+3 Jordan on/off court

While the 01-03 Wizards were certainly better with Jordan than without, they still were not a good team even when he did play. They were negative rating with him, sub .500 with him, and were on pace to miss the playoffs with him both years.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Does anyone coin by the time in Washington as a highlight?

[2much_knowledge]

Like i said before. #2 in the East behind NJ until the injury. And Hamilton missed more than 15 games till that point too

Not a failure at all. Just after the knee injury

[Xiao Yao You]

Like i said before. #2 in the East behind NJ until the injury. And Hamilton missed more than 15 games till that point too

Not a failure at all. Just after the knee injury

He was still one of the best. His body was just starting to fail him like we see with most old guys eventually. Lebron is going through it now

[BarberSchool]

OP is a failure as a critical thinker.

OP is a failure as an influential liar.

[bison]

And OP is a failure as a human being.

[BarberSchool]

He was still one of the best. His body was just starting to fail him like we see with most old guys eventually. Lebron is going through it now
LeBron isn’t going thru it at anywhere near a normal rate of decline, due to an extremely expensive and tailored diet, as well as comprehensive/aggressive legal supplementation, and comprehensive/aggressive illegal supplementation, including deca-durabolin, Human Chorionic gonadotropin, Erythropoietin (EPO), and of course, human growth hormone.

[Xiao Yao You]

LeBron isn’t going thru it at anywhere near a normal rate of decline, due to an extremely expensive and tailored diet, as well as comprehensive/aggressive legal supplementation, and comprehensive/aggressive illegal supplementation, including deca-durabolin, Human Chorionic gonadotropin, Erythropoietin (EPO), and of course, human growth hormone.

his body is keeping him off the court. Not sure the rate of decline matters at that point. If MJ had not been playing back to backs when schedules were much tougher maybe he would have been able to stay on the court?

[BarberSchool]

his body is keeping him off the court. Not sure the rate of decline matters at that point. If MJ had not been playing back to backs when schedules were much tougher maybe he would have been able to stay on the court?No one said all of the above career-extending-habits were some fool proof method, they greatly enhance the performance of skeletal muscle and our respiratory and circulatory systems, but they come with significant risks to certain long term organ health.

LeBron was playing thru pain/discomfort on his quest to eclipse Kareem’s record. It was one of his primary goals this seasons to break that record. Once it occurred, he immediately sat out. What does that tell you ?

LeBron, for many reasons, strongly feels that time is not on his side any longer; as the cumulative effects of what he is putting his organs thru is not visible by looking at the outside of his body. He appears extremely healthy, but he is walking along a knife’s edge that must be carefully monitored and adjusted constantly. If he simply quits cold turkey the health effects would be devastating. He will likely have to pay an exhorbitant amount of money to the preservation of his health the rest of his life, since his actions have made it increasingly difficult to simply “stop taking this or that”, he’s going to have to do this in some capacity for the rest of his life or he’ll age rapidly and become very sick. In his defense, he certainly has the money and the circle to do so, so long as the supply side doesn’t break down during any major global conflict.

[Axe]

And 3ball used to say that doug collins was a better coach than phil jackson.

[Hey Yo]

his body is keeping him off the court. Not sure the rate of decline matters at that point. If MJ had not been playing back to backs when schedules were much tougher maybe he would have been able to stay on the court?

Even if MJ didn't play b2b his entire career, there'd still be zero chance he plays 20 consecutive seasons.

[Xiao Yao You]

Even if MJ didn't play b2b his entire career, there'd still be zero chance he plays 20 consecutive seasons.

we'll never know what might have been if he hadn't retired twice or came into the league at 18 or 19

[Hey Yo]

we'll never know what might have been if he hadn't retired twice or came into the league at 18 or 19

No.... we do know. He said himself that he was mentally and physically shot after the 98 season and that was only 3 seasons removed from sitting out for almost 2 full seasons.

ZERO chance he could have played 20 consecutive seasons.

[Xiao Yao You]

No.... we do know. He said himself that he was mentally and physically shot after the 98 season and that was only 3 seasons removed from sitting out for almost 2 full seasons.

ZERO chance he could have played 20 consecutive seasons.

if he's not playing any back to backs he probably isn't mentally and physically exhausted

[Hey Yo]

:oldlol:


yeah, okay

[Da_Realist]

No.... we do know. He said himself that he was mentally and physically shot after the 98 season and that was only 3 seasons removed from sitting out for almost 2 full seasons.

ZERO chance he could have played 20 consecutive seasons.

MJ was fatigued from winning. Takes a lot to lead a team to a championship 3 years in a row. LeBron has never done that. Their motivation was/is different. MJ wasn't focused on racking up career stats obviously. Winning a few titles and then racking up career stats win or lose isn't that stressful. MJ played seasons under way more pressure than LeBron who is never at fault and who is never the favorite. Maybe 2013. MJ not only played most of his career with a target on his back but he led his team to 3 titles in a row twice. He even guaranteed a championship (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpJEHw-Wzlc&t=12m49s) and made sure it happened even though Pippen missed almost 40 games that year. That's pressure LeBron has never played under.

[Axe]

MJ was fatigued from winning. Takes a lot to lead a team to a championship 3 years in a row. LeBron has never done that. Their motivation was/is different. MJ wasn't focused on racking up career stats obviously. Winning a few titles and then racking up career stats win or lose isn't that stressful. MJ played seasons under way more pressure than LeBron who is never at fault and who is never the favorite. Maybe 2013. MJ not only played most of his career with a target on his back but he led his team to 3 titles in a row twice. He even guaranteed a championship (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpJEHw-Wzlc&t=12m49s) and made sure it happened even though Pippen missed almost 40 games that year. That's pressure LeBron has never played under.
Well, mj had a great team during the 90s. He isn't a one-man army or something like that. Since those guys were completely able to make the postseason in 1994 without him. I think it's better to view the team as a whole instead of just him alone.

[AlternativeAcc.]

He was a failure as a Bull.

They were Scotties teams. I'll die on that hill.

[kawhileonard2]

Lebron is a failure in LA. Never won a series in front of Lakers fans despite playing with 2 other top 75 players all time including guys who won league mvp and finals mvp. Prove me wrong!

[Axe]

Lebron is a failure in LA. Never won a series in front of Lakers fans despite playing with 2 other top 75 players all time including guys who won league mvp and finals mvp. Prove me wrong!
Stfu jordansbulls

[Full Court]

Wizards Jordan was STILL better than 37-year old Bronie was.

And than 38-year old Bronie is.




Truth hurts.:lol

[kawhileonard2]

Stfu jordansbulls

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2011_preseason_odds.html (Dallas 7th) - 1st

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2014_preseason_odds.html (San Antonio 6th) - 1st

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2015_preseason_odds.html (Golden State 8th) - 1st

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2019_preseason_odds.html (Raptors 5th) - 4th

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2021_preseason_odds.html (Lakers 1st) - 1st round exit

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2022_preseason_odds.html (Lakers 2nd) - Didn't even make play in.

[beau_boy04]

Not even gonna read the OP post. MJ was way past his prime, case closed. Dumb thread.

[WhiteKyrie]

LeBron is a failure compared to MJ

[Bawkish]

He was a failure as a Bull.

They were Scotties teams. I'll die on that hill.

Yes please

[Axe]

LeBron is a failure compared to MJ
So having three rings with three different teams is what you call a 'failure'?

[Spurs m8]

No one cares...already cemented GOAT and was old by that point

2 x threepeat
6fmvps

Endless accolades and respect

Op is a 5 foot bald midget with a 2 incher

[coin24]

Who cares what the 5 foot jolibee janitor thinks..

Go wipe some asses at the town pit toilet

[Full Court]

So having three rings with three different teams is what you call a 'failure'?

Yes. He's a chronic underachiever. That's something you should understand.

[WhiteKyrie]

MJ was fatigued from winning. Takes a lot to lead a team to a championship 3 years in a row. LeBron has never done that. Their motivation was/is different. MJ wasn't focused on racking up career stats obviously. Winning a few titles and then racking up career stats win or lose isn't that stressful. MJ played seasons under way more pressure than LeBron who is never at fault and who is never the favorite. Maybe 2013. MJ not only played most of his career with a target on his back but he led his team to 3 titles in a row twice. He even guaranteed a championship (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpJEHw-Wzlc&t=12m49s) and made sure it happened even though Pippen missed almost 40 games that year. That's pressure LeBron has never played under.
Agreed.

Great post. But what but he’s not remembering either, probably because he wasn’t even alive
during this time, Michael wanted to play in 1999. They talk about it in the documentary.

He was pissed that the whole thing fell apart. I think he was prepared to play even without Scottie as long is Phil Jackson stayed around. Cause Pippen was acting increasingly more selfish and his body was breaking down.

[Lebron23]

They televised his games on ESPN Asia. And most of them are L's.

[Spurs m8]

They televised his games on ESPN Asia. And most of them are L's.

Well the jury is out then

[bison]

They televised his games on ESPN Asia. And most of them are L's.

You don’t watch nba games. Where are you in game threads? I never see you in game threads. You can’t watch nba games live because you live in a piece of sh1t country you idiot. Believe me, real American nba fans hate piece of sh1t short Filipinos like you. Worthless piece of sh1t.

[Lebron23]

You don’t watch nba games. Where are you in game threads? I never see you in game threads. You can’t watch nba games live because you live in a piece of sh1t country you idiot. Believe me, real American nba fans hate piece of sh1t short Filipinos like you. Worthless piece of sh1t.

I hope you and Warriorfan die of a drug overdose this year.

[warriorfan]

:roll: :roll:

[LeGoat4Life]

MJ still won more games than Lebron even though Lebron had a superteam

[Hey Yo]

MJ was fatigued from winning. Takes a lot to lead a team to a championship 3 years in a row. LeBron has never done that. Their motivation was/is different. MJ wasn't focused on racking up career stats obviously. Winning a few titles and then racking up career stats win or lose isn't that stressful. MJ played seasons under way more pressure than LeBron who is never at fault and who is never the favorite. Maybe 2013. MJ not only played most of his career with a target on his back but he led his team to 3 titles in a row twice. He even guaranteed a championship (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpJEHw-Wzlc&t=12m49s) and made sure it happened even though Pippen missed almost 40 games that year. That's pressure LeBron has never played under.

No, LeBron's never three peated, but MJ certainly never made 8 straight FInals appearances. After his injured 1986 season, he was only able to play 7 consecutive full seasons before needing to quit.

Funny and dumb at the same time to claim that MJ never looked to rack up stats. No more needs to be said about that.

Going to 3 straight Finals (+1 olympics) is more stressful than going to 8 straight +1 olympics?????? When did MJ ever face adversity during the postseason after 1990? He ever lead the Bulls back from a 3-2 deficit? Ever comeback from being down 3-1 in the Finals? Being down in series' is very stressful, but yeah... MJ was under much more stress and pressure lol

[Hey Yo]

Agreed.

Great post. But what but he’s not remembering either, probably because he wasn’t even alive
during this time, Michael wanted to play in 1999. They talk about it in the documentary.

He was pissed that the whole thing fell apart. I think he was prepared to play even without Scottie as long is Phil Jackson stayed around. Cause Pippen was acting increasingly more selfish and his body was breaking down.
Why the need for Phil to be there to hold his hand? Why was he so scared to play without Phil?

[Da_Realist]

No, LeBron's never three peated, but MJ certainly never made 8 straight FInals appearances. After his injured 1986 season, he was only able to play 7 consecutive full seasons before needing to quit.

Funny and dumb at the same time to claim that MJ never looked to rack up stats. No more needs to be said about that.

Going to 3 straight Finals (+1 olympics) is more stressful than going to 8 straight +1 olympics?????? When did MJ ever face adversity during the postseason after 1990? He ever lead the Bulls back from a 3-2 deficit? Ever comeback from being down 3-1 in the Finals? Being down in series' is very stressful, but yeah... MJ was under much more stress and pressure lol

Winning puts the bulls-eye on a team's back, not just getting there, losing most of the time then retooling on a new team every couple of years. A champion faces more pressure than anyone else. A two time defending champion faces even more pressure. A finalist doesn't have the bulls-eye, it looks at the bulls-eye on a different team.

[Hey Yo]

Winning puts the bulls-eye on a team's back, not just getting there, losing most of the time then retooling on a new team every couple of years. A champion faces more pressure than anyone else. A two time defending champion faces even more pressure. A finalist doesn't have the bulls-eye, it looks at the bulls-eye on a different team.

MJ had the pleasure playing in the non-trolling media/ social media era. He was so critical/ paranoid of what people thought and said about him and his game.... he probably would've made accounts like KD did just to oppose what those were saying about him.

Compared to what LeBron has had to deal with social media etc... MJ had a cakewalk when he played when it came to stress and pressure to perform.

[3ba11]

MJ had the pleasure playing in the non-trolling media/ social media era. He was so critical/ paranoid of what people thought and said about him and his game.... he probably would've made accounts like KD did just to oppose what those were saying about him.

Compared to what LeBron has had to deal with social media etc... MJ had a cakewalk when he played when it came to stress and pressure to perform.


Social media would put a greater spotlight on Jordan's highlights, hang-time, posters and frequent 30-60 point games (literally every night) - there were no off-nights for Jordan - Bill Russell said that the most impressive thing about MJ was that he was determined to be MJ every night

So social media would help and elevate Jordan much more than hurt him.. And what negative things would social media report on MJ? that he was in a private, high roller room playing 5k/10k per hand? That elevates him tbh

[HoopologyPhD]

OP probably just now watching Jordan "live" with the Wizards on his CRT tv 6" screen barefoot in his mud hut eating a mess of balut.

[Full Court]

Jordan: 24-11 finals record.

LeShrivel: 22-33 finals record.

OP should just get over his Jordan obsession. The guy's been retired for 20 years.

[Lebron23]

Jordan: 24-11 finals record.

LeShrivel: 22-33 finals record.

OP should just get over his Jordan obsession. The guy's been retired for 20 years.

We are talking about MJ when he played for the Wizards. Anyway you are mentally challenged. You don't even have a job, never play sports, and just wasted your time posting in this forum.

[Bawkish]

No, LeBron's never three peated, but MJ certainly never made 8 straight FInals appearances. After his injured 1986 season, he was only able to play 7 consecutive full seasons before needing to quit.

Funny and dumb at the same time to claim that MJ never looked to rack up stats. No more needs to be said about that.

Going to 3 straight Finals (+1 olympics) is more stressful than going to 8 straight +1 olympics?????? When did MJ ever face adversity during the postseason after 1990? He ever lead the Bulls back from a 3-2 deficit? Ever comeback from being down 3-1 in the Finals? Being down in series' is very stressful, but yeah... MJ was under much more stress and pressure lol


Arguing MJ played "only" 7 consecutive FULL seasons then quit is so funny and dumb. Tell me how many consecutive FULL seasons does Bron have?

Also putting yourself in stressful games and pressure from being eliminated is what defines greatness nowadays? Man the standards have already plummeted in this era