Is Austin Reaves already better than Pippen?

[StrongLurk]

Last 12 games - 18/3/6 on 57/41/84 splits.

I'm sure this is enough for some posters on ISH to say Reaves > Pip?

[Real Men Wear Green]

The ****?

[nineiron]

he's better than Lebron for sure

better shooter, better ball handler, better defender, better bball IQ

[JohnMax]

Ironically he's better than 3ball who claims to have played with Raja Bell in college and dunked on Zach Randolph but couldn't make the league.

[SouBeachTalents]

OP really slipping, reduced to making bottom of the barrel troll bait like this.

[3ba11]

Remember that Kukoc was 2nd on the Bulls in 4th quarter and clutch scoring (last 5 within 5) for the 98' Playoffs, so it didn't take much to supplant Pippen as 2nd option.

Kukoc was also the 2nd option in the 96' Finals where he went on mini-personal runs 3 different times in that series via halfcourt iso - each run was detailed in the 96' championship video and it was the only thing keeping the Sonics' defense remotely honest (not 5 on 1 vs MJ)...

Otoh, Pippen was a bricklaying, transition player and not scouted for halfcourt situations, according to Shaq.

TLDR: It took very little to supplant Pippen as 2nd option (Kukoc did it on the 98' Playoff 4th quarter, 95' 1st Round or 96' Finals as detailed in championship video)... So Austin Reeves certainly looks good enough to do it and his game would achieve it's full potential alongside MJ just like Pippen and BJ did, while Lebron's abnormal ball-dominance imposes spot-up roles for young Austin (can't develop).

[Phoenix]

Well that didn't take long. Just lay out a few bread crumbs :oldlol:

[ShawkFactory]

Remember that Kukoc was 2nd on the Bulls in 4th quarter and clutch scoring (last 5 within 5) for the 98' Playoffs, so it didn't take much to supplant Pippen as 2nd option.

Kukoc was also the 2nd option in the 96' Finals where he went on mini-personal runs 3 different times in that series via halfcourt iso - each run was detailed in the 96' championship video and it was the only thing keeping the Sonics' defense remotely honest (not 5 on 1 vs MJ)...

Otoh, Pippen was a bricklaying, transition player and not scouted for halfcourt situations, according to Shaq.

TLDR: It took very little to supplant Pippen as 2nd option (Kukoc did it on the 98' Playoff 4th quarter, 95' 1st Round or 96' Finals as detailed in championship video)... So Austin Reeves certainly looks good enough to do it and his game would achieve it's full potential alongside MJ just like Pippen and BJ did, while Lebron's abnormal ball-dominance imposes spot-up roles for young Austin (can't develop).

Your TLDR is basically as long as the actual post.

[Phoenix]

Your TLDR is basically as long as the actual post.

:oldlol:

[StrongLurk]

OP really slipping, reduced to making bottom of the barrel troll bait like this.

See the comment below yours.

[Axe]

Using how many games on an ongoing season as a sample size? Ugh... :ohwell:

[HoopologyPhD]

Already better than Pip Jr- Yes
Already has more $$$ than Sr.- Yes

[AussieSteve]

Could an Austin Reeves led team win 55 games and push the conference champions to the wire in a 7 game series?

[ArbitraryWater]

Your TLDR is basically as long as the actual post.


:roll:

[SaltyMeatballs]

Your TLDR is basically as long as the actual post.

:oldlol:

[bison]

Your TLDR is basically as long as the actual post.

:oldlol:

[Jasper]

Last 12 games - 18/3/6 on 57/41/84 splits.

I'm sure this is enough for some posters on ISH to say Reaves > Pip?

12 games verses a career putting pip as one of the all time stoppers at SF...

Give me a fvck'n break.

/

[Full Court]

Nah, he has a ways to go before he catches Pip.

He's clearly better than Lebron though.

[imdaman99]

Dude has a 1 hour long highlight video made by the NBA? Can't tell me they don't love a whiteboy ballin out :lol how long is the SGA highlight video?

Dude went to the line 20 times the other night... hmmmmm

[3ba11]

Your TLDR is basically as long as the actual post.


I thought it was easier to read by putting the TLDR instead of just another paragraph.. But okay

[D-Wait]

Yes.

[tpols]

He's not better overall obviously but I think a great case can be made that he has more offensive talent. Guy is a sniper, and elite off the dribble playmaking.

[Wally450]

3ball really has a 3 paragraph essay on this lol.

[StrongLurk]

Well...is he?

[RogueBorg]

Could an Austin Reeves led team win 55 games and push the conference champions to the wire in a 7 game series?

He definitely wouldn't sit the final 1.8 seconds.

[TheMan]

Last 12 games - 18/3/6 on 57/41/84 splits.

I'm sure this is enough for some posters on ISH to say Reaves > Pip?

:roll:

[ShawkFactory]

He definitely wouldn't sit the final 1.8 seconds.

Probably not. Neither would I.

Me > Pip?

[3ba11]

Pippen admitted to Rachel Nichols that he couldn't shoot and provide spacing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmBbmIE_Kxc&t=114s


Pippen's bricklaying isn't a good fit for Lebron's drive-heavy game, which needs spacing to have a good offense. Accordingly, Pippen would play the Jared Vanderbilt role on these Lakers and any team with a modicum of scoring help.. Outside of the dynasty system that he grew up in, Pippen was a 14 ppg bricklayer (89', 99')

[Full Court]

Pippen was a better defender.

[SATAN]

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[JohnMax]

3ball's hatred of Pippen proves he's not a Jordan fan. He knows it's too late to prevent Jordan from becoming goat but there's still time to sabotage Lebron out of the goat title.

[red1]

3ball's hatred of Pippen proves he's not a Jordan fan. He knows it's too late to prevent Jordan from becoming goat but there's still time to sabotage Lebron out of the goat title.

pippen isnt even his worst take as bad as it is


he used to compare anderson varejao to dennis rodman




3ball is mentally ill :oldlol:

[red1]

thats not even an insult or personal attack on you 3ball



you spammed your way into earning that title

[3ba11]

Pippen admitted to Rachel Nichols that he couldn't shoot and provide spacing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmBbmIE_Kxc&t=114s


Pippen's bricklaying isn't a good fit for Lebron's drive-heavy game, which needs spacing to have a good offense. Accordingly, Pippen would play the Jared Vanderbilt role on these Lakers and any team with a modicum of scoring help.. Outside of the dynasty system that he grew up in, Pippen was a 14 ppg bricklayer (89', 99')


No response

[Axe]

No response
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[kawhileonard2]

Need an answer on each thread below.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?489748-When-KD-and-Lebron-go-head-to-head
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=459570

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495113-Vassilis-Spanoulis-Giannis-Antetokounmpo-s-And-Luka-Doncic-s-Idol-Retired
https://www.espn.com/olympics/wbc2006/news/story?id=2568543

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495940-Lebron-with-Shaq-2nd-round-exit-Giannis-with-Middleton-a-Title

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495955-Giannis-just-blasted-those-who-join-super-teams-in-post-conference-interview

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?493982-Devin-Booker-Vs-Lebron-James-who-is-better-currently

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496095-Devin-Booker-put-up-47-his-playoff-career-high-on-Lebron

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496253-Lebron-won-2-bronze-medals-for-the-United-States-of-America-How

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496256-Lebron-with-Tim-Duncan-Bronze-Medal-in-Olympics-Vince-with-KG-Gold-Medal

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496255-Lebron-with-Carlos-Boozer-No-Playoffs-Deron-Williams-with-Carlos-Boozer-WCF

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496549-Lebron-stacking-the-deck-in-2022-because-he-is-afraid-of-Devin-Booker

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?492941-1-Title-in-11-Years-for-the-Franchise-that-you-originally-played-for


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496831-times-when-each-top-10-player-all-time-Lost-when-they-were-expected-to-win

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?486706-Rob-Parker-LeBron-is-the-FFOAT

Record against teams with an SRS of 5.0 or higher.
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?497187-Record-against-teams-with-an-SRS-of-5-0-or-higher

Not 3, not 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 or Playoff Mode Activated or A Storm is Coming
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?494319-Not-3-not-4-5-6-7-8-or-Playoff-Mode-Activated-or-A-Storm-is-Coming/page2


Playoff Mode: ACTIVATED
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?473762-Playoff-Mode-ACTIVATED

Lowest Scoring Supporting Cast Overall Playoffs
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?463869-Lowest-Scoring-Supporting-Cast-Overall-Playoffs/page3


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?499837-Greatest-floor-raise-of-all-time/page2
Lebron played with Shaq who won league mvp and 3 finals mvp's and lost in round 2. Lebron played with Peak Duncan who had won 2 league mvp's and 3 finals mvp's and won bronze medal. Lebron played with Peak Wade who won finals mvp and got outplayed by Jason Terry. Lebron played with Derrick Rose who won mvp under age 30 which was the same as Kevin Durant who won mvp under 30 while both were on Golden State and Cleveland. Lebron played with mulitple PER leaders as well and now Russell Westbrook a league mvp winner and more triple doubles than Oscar Robertson. Yet despite all of that Lebron lost with all of them.


Jarrett Allen vs Gobert and Jarrett Allen vs Lebron
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?499786-Jarrett-Allen-vs-Gobert-and-Jarrett-Allen-vs-Lebron

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500431-Lakers-were-1-in-Preseason-Odds-in-2021-and-Suns-were-14
Was #1 in Preseason odds and lost to a 14th seed in odds

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2021_preseason_odds.html

And Devin Booker walked them down in the playoffs with Devin outplaying Lebron. :confusedshrug:


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500416-Why-did-Pelinka-surround-Lebron-with-a-bullshit-roster
He has peak Anthony Davis, the best player on the 2020 squad and the reason the Lakers did anything as the 2019 Lakers missed the playoffs and 2021 Lakers lost in round 1 when AD wasn't around. He has Prime Melo who won a scoring title and all time leader in scoring for the Olympics. He has Dwight Howard a 3x DPOY and a guy who beat Lebron without HCA. He has Westbrook who is the modern day Oscar Robertson and also won league mvp along with average a Triple Double 4 years in a row. He also has Rondo who is a hall of famer.

Why didn't he play it against Dwight Howard in 2009 when Dwight was dominating http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?459570-How-is-it-even-possible-to-lose-to-Dwight-Howard-in-a-series-with-HCA/page10? Or against Duncan or KG or Dirk? Why did he run away from KD a guy at his position?
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?489748-When-KD-and-Lebron-go-head-to-head

Why didn't he do **** against Booker in the playoffs as well?

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496095-Devin-Booker-put-up-47-his-playoff-career-high-on-Lebron


Devin Booker broke Lebron
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500264-Devin-Booker-broke-Lebron&p=14500724


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?503966-3ball-why-can-LeBron-win-with-Irving-but-KD-can-t&p=14584482#post14584482

Lebron won bronze medal twice and lost with HCA 3x. Jordan only won gold medal and never lost with HCA. Prove me wrong!

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500440-Russell-Westbrook-leading-the-league-in-Triple-Doubles-Thus-far-in-2022-Season
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/triple-double-leaders-2021-2022-stats

Expected Championships Won and Titles Over Expected
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500379-Expected-Championships-Won-and-Titles-Over-Expected/page3&p=14503600


How did LeBron go 10-16 vs Kawhi? 7-12 vs Shaq? 17-23 vs Curry?
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500334-How-did-LeBron-go-10-16-vs-Kawhi-7-12-vs-Shaq-17-23-vs-Curry

Top 50 All-Time List - Shot Clock Era = #1
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?497028-Top-50-All-Time-List-Shot-Clock-Era-1&p=14426360&viewfull=1#post14426360


Difference between Lebron and Tmac?
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?494830-Difference-between-Lebron-and-Tmac
Both 0-2 with HCA against 50+ win teams until they joined forces with someone who won as the man. Also won bronze medals.

Tmac lost to Utah in 2007 while Lebron was losing to a career loser in Dwight Howard and also Carlos Arroyo in the Olympics with peak Tim Duncan on his squad despite playing more minutes than Hakeem even played on the 1996 Olympic team.



LeBron's message that makes the NBA shake: A storm is coming
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500734-LeBron-s-message-that-makes-the-NBA-shake-A-storm-is-coming

https://www.marca.com/en/more-sports/2021/04/09/6070b833ca47418e588b45e9.html


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?480740-Vasileios-Spanoulis-gt-gt-gt-Lebron-James
Outplayed Lebron in FIBA and caused America to get another bronze medal and then Greece got spanked in Gold medal final.:oldlol:

http://archive.fiba.com/pages/eng/fa/game/p/gid/A/grid/75/rid/5152/sid/3507/_/2006_FIBA_World_Championship/statistic.html


First Time Ever a team with 2 guys who won MVP missed the playoffs
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?503543-First-Time-Ever-a-team-with-2-guys-who-won-MVP-missed-the-playoffs


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?503981-Why-does-Lebron-have-2-bronze-medals-while-KD-only-has-gold-medals&p=14584371#post14584371

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[Andrei89]

Your TLDR is basically as long as the actual post.

OP is a buffoon lmaooooo

Mentally deranged

[Street Hunger]

Replying to this topic only because it literally made me laugh.

[Full Court]

3ball's hatred of Pippen proves he's not a Jordan fan. He knows it's too late to prevent Jordan from becoming goat but there's still time to sabotage Lebron out of the goat title.

Lebron sabotaged himself out of the GOAT title in 2011.

[StrongLurk]

Revisting this from two years ago.

Evidence is clear that LeGOAT DEVELOPED an undrafted pick (Reaves) into a better player than what MJ did with an elite lottery prospect (Pippen).

Just another notch for LeBron > MJ in a long list of Lebron notches.

[ImKobe]

Reaves is clearly a better offensive player than Pippen. He went undrafted because he wanted to go to the Lakers but would've been drafted somewhere in the 40s by the Pistons IIRC.

[RRR3]

Reaves is clearly a better offensive player than Pippen. He went undrafted because he wanted to go to the Lakers but would've been drafted somewhere in the 40s by the Pistons IIRC.
Relative to era not even close. In a vacuum sure, because Pippen played against grocery baggers and car mechanics (MJ would be DeMar DeRozan at best today), but we can only compare guys to the league they played in tbh.

[ImKobe]

Relative to era not even close. In a vacuum sure, because Pippen played against grocery baggers and car mechanics (MJ would be DeMar DeRozan at best today), but we can only compare guys to the league they played in tbh.

Reaves is well above league average in TS% while Pippen was barely above the league average at his peak. Reaves is putting up prime Pippen numbers as a 3rd option to two of the biggest ballhogs in NBA history.

[Meticode]

No. Austin Reeves isn't one of the greatest 75 players ever.

[StrongLurk]

No. Austin Reeves isn't one of the greatest 75 players ever.

Better, not greater. Pip is the GOAT of the 90's considering he went 6/6 in the finals and was a superstar and played every year of the 90's. But LeGOAT developed Reaves into the "better" player.

[Meticode]

Better, not greater. Pip is the GOAT of the 90's considering he went 6/6 in the finals and was a superstar and played every year of the 90's. But LeGOAT developed Reaves into the "better" player.

Still no.

[ShawkFactory]

Better, not greater. Pip is the GOAT of the 90's considering he went 6/6 in the finals and was a superstar and played every year of the 90's. But LeGOAT developed Reaves into the "better" player.

Neither.

[Real Men Wear Green]

This bs is back. Ugh.

On a side note it's crazy how some people don't value defense. Like, at all.

[tpols]

For reference, Austin reaves original nickname given to him by himself and teammates was hillbilly Kobe. It may be possible Kobe has instilled his spirit into Austin.

[Neal Romer]

Better, not greater. Pip is the GOAT of the 90's considering he went 6/6 in the finals and was a superstar and played every year of the 90's. But LeGOAT developed Reaves into the "better" player.


I think I can get on board with this post.

[999Guy]

Your TLDR is basically as long as the actual post.

:oldlol:

[3ba11]

.
.
Reaves is better at:



* scoring

* passing

* clutch

* shooting

* dribbling

* halfcourt basketball

* alpha

* mental toughness

* dominant scoring capability that allows GM's to get defensive help instead of needing more scoring help

[StrongLurk]

.
.
Reaves is better at:



* scoring

* passing

* clutch

* shooting

* dribbling

* halfcourt basketball

* alpha

* mental toughness

* dominant scoring capability that allows GM's to get defensive help instead of needing more scoring help

:roll::roll::roll:

[3ba11]

:roll::roll::roll:


2025 Reaves....... 28 ppg (without Lebron)
2025 Reaves....... 19 ppg (with Lebron)


Reaves is All-NBA without Lebron and should've been an all-star years ago like Pippen was alongside Jordan by Year 3, smh... Otoh, Reaves and Ingram suffer alongside Lebron and can't get all-star or All-NBA, smh

[ShawkFactory]

:roll::roll::roll:

Never fails :lol

[3ba11]

Never fails :lol


Anyone with 2 eyes can see that Reaves is better than Pippen, who couldn't pull up for jumpshots or score in tight halfcourt sets, or average 15 outside the system

carry on in ignorance and continue to be surprised at everything that happens... The phrase "I didn't think that would happen" is something you must say or think on a regular basis

Reaves plays at an All-NBA level without Lebron and should've been an all-star years ago like Pippen was alongside Jordan by Year 3, smh... Otoh, Reaves and Ingram suffer alongside Lebron and can't get all-star or All-NBA, smh

[StrongLurk]

Never fails :lol

It's too easy.

[3ba11]

It's too easy.


Except at this point, Reaves actually is better than Pippen (much better)... He's the dominant player that Pippen never was and he would easily average 30 ppg as 1st option and be a top 10 player.

[RRR3]

Reaves is well above league average in TS% while Pippen was barely above the league average at his peak. Reaves is putting up prime Pippen numbers as a 3rd option to two of the biggest ballhogs in NBA history.
Playing with Luka and LeBron improves his TS%, you're not very bright.

[RRR3]

sob sob sob......wahhhhhhhhhhhh....baby wants his bottle!!!! :cry: :cry: :cry:
:roll: :yaohappy:

[ImKobe]

Playing with Luka and LeBron improves his TS%, you're not very bright.

Except he was already doing this pre-Luka when AD went down and had his best game of the season playing as a #1 option without Bron or AD. He just needs spacing he can cook anyone 1 on 1.

[RRR3]

Except he was already doing this pre-Luka when AD went down and had his best game of the season playing as a #1 option without Bron or AD. He just needs spacing he can cook anyone 1 on 1.
Literal undrafted scrub before LeSensei taught him how to play. Any success he has is thanks to LeBron teaching him in practice every day.

[SouBeachTalents]

Reaves in Pippen's place likely wins the title in '94, showing just how weak the era was and how stacked Jordan's supporting cast was.

[GOBB]

One is a hall of famer one will never be.

[GOBB]

Reaves in Pippen's place likely wins the title in '94, showing just how weak the era was and how stacked Jordan's supporting cast was.

Pippen in Reaves place and Lakers have the best record in the NBA and are favorites to win the nba championship.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Pippen in Reaves place and Lakers have the best record in the NBA and are favorites to win the nba championship. All they will care about is that Reaves hits threes. They won't care a bit about the fact they would have a great defender to put on SGA, Edwards, Tatum, Brown, etc.

It will be interesting to see if they finally recognize the importance of defence when it comes time to argue that Cooper Flagg is elite.

[ShawkFactory]

Except he was already doing this pre-Luka when AD went down and had his best game of the season playing as a #1 option without Bron or AD. He just needs spacing he can cook anyone 1 on 1.

But we're comparing him to Pippen. Or to maybe remove the insanity that comes into play with that name, a similar level impact player in today's game like Evan Mobley.

Just because your offensive skillset is more conducive to being a #1 option, what use is that if you aren't good enough overall to be a #1 on a good team?

Not a single player, GM, owner, etc. is taking Reaves over Mobley, even if he can score more as the #1 option on a (most likely bad) team.

[3ba11]

Pippen telling Rachel Nichols that he can't shoot threes or space the floor:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmBbmIE_Kxc&t=114s





Pippen in Reaves place and Lakers have the best record in the NBA and are favorites to win the nba championship.


Pippen was mostly a dunker and told Rachel Nichols that he can't shoot threes or space the floor (link above), so there's no way he fits into today's game or helps that Lakers...

Adding a defender in Reaves place wouldn't help the Lakers at all, and they already have that with Vanderbilt, Hayes and other guys that are mostly dunkers - that's what Pippen was and he couldn't average 15 ppg outside the system.

He's just a dunker and wouldn't fit into a Lebron or Luka offense because he can't hit the broadside of a barn, let alone space the floor, smh

[GOBB]

Pippen telling Rachel Nichols that he can't shoot threes or space the floor:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmBbmIE_Kxc&t=114s







Pippen was mostly a dunker and told Rachel Nichols that he can't shoot threes or space the floor (link above), so there's no way he fits into today's game or helps that Lakers...

Adding a defender in Reaves place wouldn't help the Lakers at all, and they already have that with Vanderbilt, Hayes and other guys that are mostly dunkers - that's what Pippen was and he couldn't average 15 ppg outside the system.

He's just a dunker and wouldn't fit into a Lebron or Luka offense because he can't hit the broadside of a barn, let alone space the floor, smh

Pippen just came off winning an nba title. Who suddenly becomes content to being a corner boy the following season? As you watch Hakeem and Barkley dribble the air out the ball scoring in the post? You don’t make an ounce of sense. Andre Igoudala won finals mvp. Iggy was also an avg at best 3pt shooter for his career. He’s also been competed to Pippen go figure. Yet somehow Iggy not only fit with the Warriors but also won finals mvp? Must’ve been his phenominal shooting. Yeeeea that’s it. (Sarcasm)

[Real Men Wear Green]

And in case anyone cares Pippen has a few seasons hitting around 37% from three. The ability was there it just wasn't regarded as important as it is today.

[Axe]

Although he's seen to have potential, some honors rn would have been good to see in reflecting it.

[ImKobe]

And in case anyone cares Pippen has a few seasons hitting around 37% from three. The ability was there it just wasn't regarded as important as it is today.

That's with a shortened 3PT line. He peaked at 34% without it. Reaves is a volume 37.7% 3PT shooter. Jordan shot 50% and 42.7% from 3 with the shortened line though I guess he could've been Steph Curry from three if 3s were as important as today.