Michael Jordan and his team were getting their butts kicked in the 1980's

[Lebron23]

Once he played in the watered down era known as the 1990's. He started winning multiple rings. Anyway the early 1990's were much tougher compared to the mid to late 1990's. But I doubt his Bulls are capable of winning more than 2 rings if the play in the superior 1980's.

[nayte]

Aren't you nearly 40 ? And you still post stuff like this daily. You need to move on with your life

[Lebron23]

Aren't you nearly 40 ? And you still post stuff like this daily. You need to move on with your life

37 years old. I am just telling the truth. Michael won't be winning multiple rings in the 1980's.

[nayte]

No he probably wouldn't but neither would LeBron. Or KD or Curry etc

[Spurs m8]

Look at who they were playing against and MJs cast.

Bron achieved nothing without colluding.

You are a bald clown...

[Lebron23]

Look at who they were playing against and MJs cast.

Bron achieved nothing without colluding.

You are a bald clown...

You never even watched a Spurs game this season unless they were playing the Lakers.

[Overdrive]

Got more of those hot takes?

[bison]

OP was also getting his butt kicked in the 80s. Middle school bullies can be so cruel to midgets

[nayte]

I'm only a few years older then op. I post here and there I don't get how he keeps it going year after year

[Lebron23]

I'm only a few years older then op. I post here and there I don't get how he keeps it going year after year

Jordan is a egotistical d1ckhead that Tyson and Mark Henry almost beat up.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoqjqgOWH14&t=93s


https://youtu.be/GY5fcbM25Dk

[nayte]

Jordan is an egotistical d1ckhead that Tyson and Mark Henry almost beat up.

Tyson would beat up both Jordan and LeBron
You make no sense

[Overdrive]

Jordan is a egotistical d1ckhead that Tyson and Mark Henry almost beat up.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoqjqgOWH14&t=93s


https://youtu.be/GY5fcbM25Dk

So is Lebron and almost any NBA superstar. You believe they're some carring, nice people? They're guys who want to win for themselves, earn fame and money. Jordan just has more talltales about his sociopathic lunacy, that gets admired by idiots who wouldn't want a toxic person like him around in their everyday life. But if you believe the guys you admire are any different you got no clue what it takes to become great in a highly individualistic, performance centered enviroment.

[Da_Realist]

It takes time to build a dynasty from scratch. MJ won his first title in his seventh season (sixth full season). Isiah was drafted in 1981 and won in his eighth season. It took Dr. J seven years to win with the Sixers. Olajuwon won in his tenth season. It took Shaq eight years and two teams to win. It took LeBron nine years and two teams. Champions aren't built overnight and takes some time when you start from nothing. There are some that win out of the box but that's usually because the team already had a framework and needed something to take them to the top. Transforming a team from an annual bottom dweller to champion takes talent, experience and chemistry -- all of which takes time.

It would be one thing if MJ was drafted in the late 70's, crapped out in the 80's then won in the 90's. At least then it would be fair to at least evaluate. But MJ only had 4 full seasons in the 80's. Isiah's Pistons were a few years ahead of MJ's Bulls and they didn't win until the very last year of the 80's.

It just takes a fair perspective and respect for context.

[Real Men Wear Green]

37 years old. I am just telling the truth. Michael won't be winning multiple rings in the 1980's.

By truth you mean tired trolling that everyone has already heard 500 times? There is literally no basketball fan over the age of 20 that doesn't know the Bulls didn't dominate until the 90s. So? And why are you acting like the league was somehow watered down from 80 to 90. Well I know the real reason wh8ch is to stan Lebron. But what actual logic is there to justify the idea? Did players somehow devolve for one decade before magically resuming improvement once Jordan retired? It's stupid.

[BigShotBob]

Jason Terry

[Full Court]

Guess what, OP. Jordan never led a super team to the lottery. Keep crying. :lol

[BigShotBob]

JJ Barrea

[Airupthere]

The importance questions is, if you add the 80s players to the 98 Utah Jazz, how plenty ring?

[SouBeachTalents]

The importance questions is, if you add the 80s players to the 98 Utah Jazz, how plenty ring?
If you adds Larry Bird & Hakeem to the 90s Jazz, I think they would wins 6 championships. Larry Bird, Hakeem, Karl Malone & John Stockton would makes for a good big 4.

[Xiao Yao You]

If you adds Larry Bird & Hakeem to the 90s Jazz, I think they would wins 6 championships. Larry Bird, Hakeem, Karl Malone & John Stockton would makes for a good big 4.

Too bad their owner wouldn't have paid them all and Sloan would still be the coach

[nayte]

Jesus Christ. Have you liked any nba player ever apart from Rudy

[Xiao Yao You]

Jesus Christ. Have you liked any nba player ever apart from Rudy

many

[Axe]

Jesus Christ. Have you liked any nba player ever apart from Rudy
Guards surrounding the cumbersome baguette are always bums. Do well to remember this.

[Xiao Yao You]

Guards surrounding the cumbersome baguette are always bums. Do well to remember this.

Only 1 that I know of. He was a Bum B.R. and A.R though

[3ba11]

Lebron avoided having bad playoff teams, low seeds or the 8 vs 1 matchup by waiting 3 years to make the 06' Playoffs as a favored high seed -so Lebron's first playoff teams were veteran high seeds with a big advantage over Jordan's rookie 8 seeds.

The all-star duo of Lebron/Zydrunas added a HOF coach and a 22/5/5 all-defender to make the 06' Playoffs.. Despite this veteran talent, the Cavs were only winning 45-50 games until Lebron's stiff-arm got all-star spacing help that it needs in 2009 - that's hardly an all-time level of carrying.and Lebron was getting swept, locked up, or upset by the Spurs, Celtics, and Magic during this time.

So Lebron's early playoff teams were veteran high seeds with all-star bonafides among the cast, while Jordan's early playoff teams were rookie 8 seeds and nobodies.. Jordan's playoff teams were starting from scratch in 85' and 87' because the front office removed the 1st and 2nd options from the horrible 86' team - Woodridge and Gervin were gone before the 87' season, which made the 87' cast much worse than the 85' cast..

[Hey Yo]

Aren't you nearly 40 ? And you still post stuff like this daily. You need to move on with your life

He calls like he sees it, McMahon!

[ImKobe]

MJ's Bulls took the Pistons to 6 & 7 games in '89 & '90 when the Pistons railed everyone else (2 losses in 2 Playoff runs vs. the other 6 teams combined) in their B2B title runs.

Talk about playing in a watered down era.. do I need to revisit the 2012-18 Eastern Conference again?

[1987_Lakers]

MJ's Bulls took the Pistons to 6 & 7 games in '89 & '90 when the Pistons railed everyone else (2 losses in 2 Playoff runs vs. the other 6 teams combined) in their B2B title runs.

Talk about playing in a watered down era.. do I need to revisit the 2012-18 Eastern Conference again?

Gonna ignore the fact that the Pistons played the Lakers & Celtics in '89 without Magic and Bird?

[BigShotBob]

Gonna ignore the fact that the Pistons played the Lakers & Celtics in '89 without Magic and Bird?

Like how you ignored Giannis playing the Nets that had an injured Kyrie and Harden?

[1987_Lakers]

Like how you ignored Giannis playing the Nets that had an injured Kyrie and Harden?

No, but you ignored Giannis played injured himself in the Finals.

[Axe]

MJ's Bulls took the Pistons to 6 & 7 games in '89 & '90 when the Pistons railed everyone else (2 losses in 2 Playoff runs vs. the other 6 teams combined) in their B2B title runs.

Talk about playing in a watered down era.. do I need to revisit the 2012-18 Eastern Conference again?
And yet 3ball thinks doug collins was a better coach than phil jackson.

[3ba11]

Gonna ignore the fact that the Pistons played the Lakers & Celtics in '89 without Magic and Bird?


Same thing happened in 1990 (pistons destroyed everyone except the 1-man Bulls)

[3ba11]

And yet 3ball thinks doug collins was a better coach than phil jackson.


Phil was a 1st-time, nobody coach when MJ won in 91', while MJ was already a GOAT candidate.. Phil had to 3-peat and win 72 before he got COY with Jordan.. Phil would never use the triangle if Jordan was a Luka or Lebron-style ball-dominator - it only won with goat OFF-guards, aka MJ or his clone Kobe

[1987_Lakers]

No Phil, no ring.

[3ba11]

No Phil, no ring.


You're taking the lesser things that MJ won with and saying he "needed" them to win

MJ won with less, aka the triangle and a secondary producer at sidekick (no 1b) and no 3rd star scorer/no 3rd first option (no super-team)

Another way of saying it is that MJ had less star help, so he had to win with coaching/system - this is harder because coaching is the method most teams use to win, aka most teams have normal roster.. It also requires far more skill to have carry-jobs within a coaching system and the Bulls needed MJ to carry them.

[1987_Lakers]

1-9

[3ba11]

1-9


Lebron avoided having bad playoff teams, low seeds or the 8 vs 1 matchup by waiting 3 years to make the 06' Playoffs as a favored high seed -so Lebron's first playoff teams were veteran high seeds with a big advantage over Jordan's rookie 8 seeds.

The all-star duo of Lebron/Zydrunas added a HOF coach and a 22/5/5 all-defender to make the 06' Playoffs.. Despite this veteran talent, the Cavs were only winning 45-50 games until Lebron's stiff-arm got all-star spacing that it needs in 2009 - that's hardly an all-time level of carrying.and Lebron was getting swept, locked up, or upset by the Spurs, Celtics, and Magic during this time.

So Lebron's early playoff teams were veteran high seeds with all-star bonafides among the cast, while Jordan's early playoff teams were rookie 8 seeds and nobodies.. Jordan's playoff teams were starting from scratch in 85' and 87' because the front office removed the 1st and 2nd options from the horrible 86' team - Woodridge and Gervin were gone before the 87' season, which made the 87' cast much worse than the 85' cast..

[3ba11]

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When did Lebron receive an 8 ppg rookie where everyone said "We're set - Lebron has what he needs!!!"

No one said that for Jordan either and the Bulls were among the worst casts from 88-90'.. So Jordan lost to dynasties with horrible casts, while Lebron lost to 1-star teams as the favorite twice (09', 11').

Furthermore, Jordan beat Isiah, Dumars and Rodman when they were 27-29 years old, while Lebron ran from fossils that were 32-34 (KG/Allen/Pierce).



1-9


Jordan lost early-on when everyone loses and then overachieved as an underdog from his 3rd healthy season onwards (88'), while Lebron was lottery, early exit, locked up or upset for 8 years of mostly prime years (2004-2011):



2004 - lottery

2005 - lottery

2006 - 2nd Round loss (only 26 ppg vs Pistons)

2007 - 22 on 36%

2008 - 2nd Round loss (26 on 36% vs Celts)

2009 - historic upset loss (-700 favorite)

2010 - 2nd Round upset loss (21 on 34% last 3 gms)

2011 - goat choke


So Lebron was a massive failure before the "decision" by being a 1-trick pony - 1 Finals run like Iverson, Kidd or Dwight.

Lebron failed to win the East with homecourt in 09' & 10', so he took the top 3 first options in the conference and put them on 1 team (the "decision").. Then he remarkably got credit for winning the conference after that (manufactured resume).. The "decision" locked down the league with 3 chips in 6 years and preseason favorite status for 6 years (11-16'), so Durant's only mistake was waiting 6 years to respond to King Colluder

[1987_Lakers]

1-9

[Axe]

No pip?

[3ba11]

No pip?


Lebron and his fans complain about his teammates because he isn't good enough to win a Finals with bed-wetting sidekicks and teammates.. He simply isn't good enough to carry bad teammates to Finals victory or triumph over the West.

He can't carry bad teammate performance like Jordan because he lacks expert jumpshooting skill, aka he's too ball-dominant at carry-job volume to beat top teams and therefore needs all-time scoring help - by definition of being a passer, guys like Magic or Lebron need all-time scorers to feed like Kareem, AD, Wade, or Kyrie, plus star-scorers at 3rd option (3 elite-scoring first options in 1 team, aka super-team).. Passers simply need all-time scoring help, while the greatest scorers of ever like Kobe needed zero passing help, or MJ needed the worst passing help compared to 90's 1st options like Barkley, Malone, Kemp, Alonzo.

In addition to needing all-time scoring help, passers like Magic/Lebron need all-time spacing for their drive-heavy game to be effective, while MJ won with the biggest bricklayer/lane-clogger in playoff history, aka Pippen had the worst efficiency ever for a playoff run of 15 games and 35 MPG - he did this twice (96', 98').. As an expert jumpshooter, MJ was accustomed to shooting over defenses and didn't need spacing or the aforementioned scoring help/star help that Lebron needs.

[Hey Yo]

Phil was a 1st-time, nobody coach when MJ won in 91', while MJ was already a GOAT candidate.. Phil had to 3-peat and win 72 before he got COY with Jordan.. Phil would never use the triangle if Jordan was a Luka or Lebron-style ball-dominator - it only won with goat OFF-guards, aka MJ or his clone Kobe

dumb

[3ba11]

dumb


The trademark and special sauce of the triangle was that it had no point guard role, so there's no place for Luka or Lebron's skillset (no high-scoring ball-dominators).. A team can either run Lebron-ball OR the triangle, but not both.. It's like physics - 2 things can't occupy the same space, aka ball-dominators end the triangle..

Again, the lack of ball-domination is what makes the triangle work - the lack of dribbling is why Phil told MJ that he wouldn't lead the league in scoring anymore.. So Phil underestimated MJ's jumpshooting and how much jumpshooting MJ was already doing - he was already the league's best 2-point jumpshooter for a couple years by the time Phil took over.. Phil simply guided MJ to taking certain types of jumpshots at high volume that would yield the right chemistry (turnarounds, aka the hardest shot in basketball).

Otoh, Lebron lacks the expert jumpshooting skill required for the triangle and his abnormal ball-dominance for his size and position lacks the strategic capacity/coaching, teammate development (imposes spot-up roles) or teammate fits to win organically, thereby needing talent-based winning (team-hopping.. all-star team strategy).

[Axe]

Lebron and his fans complain about his teammates because he isn't good enough to win a Finals with bed-wetting sidekicks and teammates.. He simply isn't good enough to carry bad teammates to Finals victory or triumph over the West.

He can't carry bad teammate performance like Jordan because he lacks expert jumpshooting skill, aka he's too ball-dominant at carry-job volume to beat top teams and therefore needs all-time scoring help - by definition of being a passer, guys like Magic or Lebron need all-time scorers to feed like Kareem, AD, Wade, or Kyrie, plus star-scorers at 3rd option (3 elite-scoring first options in 1 team, aka super-team).. Passers simply need all-time scoring help, while the greatest scorers of ever like Kobe needed zero passing help, or MJ needed the worst passing help compared to 90's 1st options like Barkley, Malone, Kemp, Alonzo.

In addition to needing all-time scoring help, passers like Magic/Lebron need all-time spacing for their drive-heavy game to be effective, while MJ won with the biggest bricklayer/lane-clogger in playoff history, aka Pippen had the worst efficiency ever for a playoff run of 15 games and 35 MPG - he did this twice (96', 98').. As an expert jumpshooter, MJ was accustomed to shooting over defenses and didn't need spacing or the aforementioned scoring help/star help that Lebron needs.
No chip :no:

[kawhileonard2]

Guess what, OP. Jordan never led a super team to the lottery. Keep crying. :lol

This!

[Bawkish]

3ball turning into ChatGPT of MJ stans

[dankok8]

If 3ball is getting banned so should the OP. He's spamming the same stupid topics every day.

[Airupthere]

If 3ball is getting banned so should the OP. He's spamming the same stupid topics every day.

Not to mention the racist insults

[ShawkFactory]

Phil was a 1st-time, nobody coach when MJ won in 91', while MJ was already a GOAT candidate.. Phil had to 3-peat and win 72 before he got COY with Jordan.. Phil would never use the triangle if Jordan was a Luka or Lebron-style ball-dominator - it only won with goat OFF-guards, aka MJ or his clone Kobe

I thought having a future COTY was part of your team being stacked or whatever?

[3ba11]

I thought having a future COTY was part of your team being stacked or whatever?


It isn't, but you guys used that logic to degrade Jordan's rings, so I use your logic to degrade Lebron's achievements and rings, aka Mike Brown & Spolestra are HOF and probably Lue too when it's all said and done

So you guys started the trend of including coaches into the supporting cast.... and the reason you guys did this is because the actual player roster is super-thin outside of MJ.. so you felt insecure and needed to include something else..