Where are Lebron's seminal Finals performances that....

[3ba11]

AREN'T preceded by teammate bailout or where teammate DIDN'T get 40 points or dominate too?.. And of course it must be a game he WON

Jordan has the flu game where Pippen was horrific..... or Game 6 in 98'.... or the game-winner in Game 1 of 97'... Or 55 points in Game 4 of 93'.... or 46 in critical Game 5 of 92'... to name a few

[Axe]

1-9

[Manny98]

Arguably the greatest single game performance ever in the finals


https://youtu.be/bJEG7fcUn-s

[3ba11]

https://youtu.be/bJEG7fcUn-s

Arguably the greatest single game performance ever in the finals





No it isn't arguable - it's nowhere near the best game.

The game was over after the first quarter - a complete blowout where the Warriors conceded quickly and were saving energy for Game 7.. They never got within 9 after the 1st and it was a 20-point blowout with 3:23 left in the game.. Kyrie also had 23 and Golden State was restarting the engine after it's well-oiled machine was shut off the previous game (no Dray).

Otoh, Jordan's flu game and many others were complete carry-jobs in tight games. And Jordan averaged 41 for a whole series let alone 1 blowout win

[SouBeachTalents]

It's funny y'all brought up that Game 6

https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.18169-9/14079820_1093875880699967_5214761696894126432_n.jp g?_nc_cat=108&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=9267fe&_nc_ohc=v0WHciE65GoAX9_5s3U&_nc_ht=scontent-lga3-1.xx&oh=00_AfCdFlP0y2OMg3qWqGy-p0HkOTXczuBmD8shmLdQiMAxgQ&oe=645051AF

Surpassed all of Kobe's Finals career highs in a single game :lol

[RRR3]

So we’re just letting this idiot spam LeBron threads again huh

[3ba11]

So zero seminal carry-jobs of bed-wetting teammates in tight Finals games?.. Only examples where teammates played well and/or it wasn't a close game?

Only excuses and crying about teammates and never carrying them?

Got it

[Manny98]

So zero seminal carry-jobs of bed-wetting teammates in tight Finals games?.. Only examples where teammates played well and/or it wasn't a close game?

Only excuses and crying about teammates and never carrying them?

Got it

Game 7 2013
Game 6 2016 (triple double and chase down block)

LeBron had a few

[Manny98]

How df was game 1 of 97 a carry job when Pippen was arguably the best player that game with 27 points+ 3 steals and 4 blocks

[3ba11]

Game 7 2013
Game 6 2016 (triple double and chase down block)

LeBron had a few


Game 7 occurred after Lebron was granted 2nd life by a teammate (Ray)

So that doesn't compare to the GOAT standard

And the chasedown is a goat-level defensive play but it's only half of the close-job, whereas Jordan had a goat steal on malone AND the kyrie-like finish on the offensive end - aka the GOAT standard is a 2-way standard and Lebron always lacks one of them by having a teammate hit the big shot (Kyrie, Allen), or failing defensively by giving up FMVP to his matchup 4 different times.. Lebron is 0-10 in the Finals on game-tying or go-ahead shots on the last possession.

[Manny98]

Doesn't matter when it occured that game 7 performance was legendary, you're just making up random criteria

[3ba11]

How df was game 1 of 97 a carry job when Pippen was arguably the best player that game with 27 points+ 3 steals and 4 blocks



Wow, so 27 in Game 1 but only 20 on 42% for the series?

3 APG and 3 TO's for the series?

almost zero production down the stretch of tight games (worst-ever clutch stats)?

Worst-ever spacing?

But I guess he had 1 decent game out of 6

[3ba11]

Doesn't matter when it occured that game 7 performance was legendary,

you're just making up random criteria

No some things are objectively better or worse, aka having dominant teammates or getting bailed out by teammates doesn't compare to MJ hitting the big shots himself or carrying bed-wetting teammates.

[Manny98]

I'm talking about the 97 finals, MJ hit the game winner but Pippen was arguably the best player on the team that game so how is that" seminal" especially considering it's a game 1

And already in this thread you have moved from specific games to specific moments to the entire series :facepalm

I don't even understand your criteria of what makes a seminal performance because you keep on changing it to fit your LeBron hate agenda

[3ba11]

I'm talking about the 97 finals, MJ hit the game winner but Pippen was arguably the best player on the team that game so how is that" seminal" especially considering it's a game 1

And already in this thread you have moved from specific games to specific moments to the entire series :facepalm

I don't even understand your criteria of what makes a seminal performance because you keep on changing it to fit your LeBron hate agenda


only Lebron has dominant sidekicks that outplay MVP's like Dirk, Joker or Curry, while Pippen was a secondary producer that never dominated.. No one said the 93' Finals was a big matchup of Barkley vs Pippen because no one viewed Pippen as being on that level.. No one thought for a nano-second that Pippen could hang with an MVP let alone outplay them like Lebron's sidekicks.

And Pippen wasn't anywhere near the best player in that game and there's almost no games where he was the best player... Literally almost no playoff games where Pippen was the best player on the Bulls and probably none where he was the best player on the whole court.. Maybe the 1st Round of 94' when the Cavs were missing their entire starting 5.

When Pippen got 27 points, it's because no one was guarding him and he happened to get some flow buckets - his low peak capability meant that he wasn't on the scouting report as Shaq stated.. Pippen wasn't really an offensive player but benefitted from the system more than any other player in history.. Regardless, he was literally Andre Roberson down the stretch of tight games (clutch-time) - you think this is an exaggeration but it isn't.. Ostertag and Hornacek destroy Pippen in clutch-time because Pippen averaged 0-1 ppg on the clutch... The stats confirm that he had the lowest clutch, spacing/efficiency, peak capability and passing among 90's sidekicks

[Manny98]

Pippen averaged 22 without MJ so he couldn't be that bad offensively

[ImKobe]

He has none. We remember Irving & Bran dropping 41 each in Game 5 (that was more of a Kyrie game as he closed them out with 10 straight pts in the 4th) but no one cares about Bran's stat-padding in Game 6 when the refs took Curry out of the game. Kyrie had 20 in the first half alone when the Cavs were up 16 already & Bran only had 14 pts in the 1st half and 24 after 3. We all knew it was going 7 by halftime.

[1987_Lakers]

It's funny y'all brought up that Game 6

https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.18169-9/14079820_1093875880699967_5214761696894126432_n.jp g?_nc_cat=108&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=9267fe&_nc_ohc=v0WHciE65GoAX9_5s3U&_nc_ht=scontent-lga3-1.xx&oh=00_AfCdFlP0y2OMg3qWqGy-p0HkOTXczuBmD8shmLdQiMAxgQ&oe=645051AF

Surpassed all of Kobe's Finals career highs in a single game :lol

Damn, ImKobe furious.

[Axe]

No pip?

[BigShotBob]

jason terry

[Manny98]

He has none. We remember Irving & Bran dropping 41 each in Game 5 (that was more of a Kyrie game as he closed them out with 10 straight pts in the 4th) but no one cares about Bran's stat-padding in Game 6 when the refs took Curry out of the game. Kyrie had 20 in the first half alone when the Cavs were up 16 already & Bran only had 14 pts in the 1st half and 24 after 3. We all knew it was going 7 by halftime.
Warriors went on a run in the 3rd quarter and brought it down to single digits, then LeBron took over in the 4th to win it

He didn't statpad, the Warriors had all of the momentum going into the 4th quarter

[8Ball]

No it isn't arguable - it's nowhere near the best game.

The game was over after the first quarter - a complete blowout where the Warriors conceded quickly and were saving energy for Game 7.. They never got within 9 after the 1st and it was a 20-point blowout with 3:23 left in the game.. Kyrie also had 23 and Golden State was restarting the engine after it's well-oiled machine was shut off the previous game (no Dray).

Otoh, Jordan's flu game and many others were complete carry-jobs in tight games. And Jordan averaged 41 for a whole series let alone 1 blowout win

Against a 73 win team.

LeBron scoring 18 straight points from 72-90 between 3rd and 4th quarter.

This game is more impressive than any finals game Jordan ever had vs a bunch of bum finals teams.

[8Ball]

AREN'T preceded by teammate bailout or where teammate DIDN'T get 40 points or dominate too?.. And of course it must be a game he WON

Jordan has the flu game where Pippen was horrific..... or Game 6 in 98'.... or the game-winner in Game 1 of 97'... Or 55 points in Game 4 of 93'.... or 46 in critical Game 5 of 92'... to name a few

LeBron game 6 vs Boston >>>>>> Any Jordan playoff game.

[3ba11]

LeBron game 6 vs Boston >>>>>> Any Jordan playoff game.


That was a standard Jordan game - that's why Lebron fans loved to see Lebron rise to Jordan's 95% level in that one game against bums and massive underdogs - he certainly could never do that against maximum defensive attention (the only go-to player or elite scorer on the team) - he literally needed a super-team to create a soft defensive setting.

The historical record confirms MJ's superiority because he beat a dynasty that was 27-29 years old (Isiah/Rodman/Dumars), while Lebron ran from fossils that were 32-34 years old (KG/Pierce/Allen) in 2010 and formed a super-team to beat them when they were 34-36 in 2012.. So it's not even close - MJ was far more impressive - he achieved superior stats than Lebron despite using the restrictive and hated triangle, while also winning with a secondary producer at sidekick (no 1b) and no 3rd star scorer/no 3rd first option (no super-team)... So Jordan objectively did more with far less.. He had to win with coaching because he couldn't be a talent-based winner like Lebron (super-teams & dominant 1b's)

[Honor Boost]

It's funny y'all brought up that Game 6

https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.18169-9/14079820_1093875880699967_5214761696894126432_n.jp g?_nc_cat=108&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=9267fe&_nc_ohc=v0WHciE65GoAX9_5s3U&_nc_ht=scontent-lga3-1.xx&oh=00_AfCdFlP0y2OMg3qWqGy-p0HkOTXczuBmD8shmLdQiMAxgQ&oe=645051AF

Surpassed all of Kobe's Finals career highs in a single game :lol

Walloped

[BigShotBob]

It's funny y'all brought up that Game 6

https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.18169-9/14079820_1093875880699967_5214761696894126432_n.jp g?_nc_cat=108&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=9267fe&_nc_ohc=v0WHciE65GoAX9_5s3U&_nc_ht=scontent-lga3-1.xx&oh=00_AfCdFlP0y2OMg3qWqGy-p0HkOTXczuBmD8shmLdQiMAxgQ&oe=645051AF

Surpassed all of Kobe's Finals career highs in a single game :lol

Leastern Conference stats

Kawhi in his first year in the East? Championship. It was like JV for him out there.

Lebron's first year in the West? .....

[1987_Lakers]

Leastern Conference stats

Kawhi in his first year in the East? Championship. It was like JV for him out there.

Lebron's first year in the West? .....

Leastern conference stats? Those are LeBron's numbers in the Finals against a 73 win team.

Low IQ exposed.

[3ba11]

Leastern conference stats? Those are LeBron's numbers in the Finals against a 73 win team.

Low IQ exposed.


Lebron's teammate got 40 along with him (so Lebron didn't face max defensive attention), or it was a blowout laugher, or his teammate hit the big shots and bailed him out

so his performance is objectively inferior to Jordan..

Jordan won without teammate bailouts or dominant teammates to take defensive attention away (carried bed-wetting teammates), and no stat-padding in blowouts

So Jordan's performance is objectively superior (no dominant teammates, no bailouts/clutch, and no meaningless stat-padding in blowout wins)

[Overdrive]

Lebron's teammate got 40 along with him (so Lebron didn't face max defensive attention), or it was a blowout laugher, or his teammate hit the big shots and bailed him out

so his performance is objectively inferior to Jordan..

Jordan won without teammate bailouts or dominant teammates to take defensive attention away (carried bed-wetting teammates), and no stat-padding in blowouts

So Jordan's performance is objectively superior (no dominant teammates, no bailouts/clutch, and no meaningless stat-padding in blowout wins)

So your logical conclusion is if a teammate scores alot defensive attention wasn't focused on the primary scorer? The logical conclusion would mean if another player on the team scores alot he had opportunities to score, because defense couldn't focus on that guy due to defending the primary scorer. This especially holds true in Kyrie's case as his playoff scoring numbers dropped off after leaving Lebron.

[Overdrive]

Leastern Conference stats

Kawhi in his first year in the East? Championship. It was like JV for him out there.

Lebron's first year in the West? .....

Pretty weird take considering Kobe played all his finals against that weak east while Lebron played all but one against the west.

[Hey Yo]

Pretty weird take considering Kobe played all his finals against that weak east while Lebron played all but one against the west.
That's why his stans always want to talk what happened before the Finals rather than his shitty Finals performances.

[Overdrive]

That's why his stans always want to talk what happened before the Finals rather than his shitty Finals performances.

Yeah and you guys always talk about Lebron's performances in the east with some guys calling 2018 the greatest playoff run of all times.

Neither can admit that any of the top guys all time have some great performances. Else they wouldn't be top 10, 20, whatever players of AT.

Jordan was great, Kobe was great and so is Lebron. Simple concept, but instead of enjoying great basketball it's just petty arguments about the dude some of you randomly attach yourself to. Some to the point where they come off as totally miserable(Full Court for example).

[Axe]

Yeah and you guys always talk about Lebron's performances in the east with some guys calling 2018 the greatest playoff run of all times.

Neither can admit that any of the top guys all time have some great performances. Else they wouldn't be top 10, 20, whatever players of AT.

Jordan was great, Kobe was great and so is Lebron. Simple concept, but instead of enjoying great basketball it's just petty arguments about the dude some of you randomly attach yourself to. Some to the point where they come off as totally miserable(Full Court for example).
Agreed. This board would be a much better place if they can maturely just accept how great each famous athlete can be.

[SouBeachTalents]

Leastern Conference stats

Kawhi in his first year in the East? Championship. It was like JV for him out there.

Lebron's first year in the West? .....
I think you might actually be retarded :lol