Dikembe Mutombo vs. Rudy Gobert

[Lebron23]

Who is the better player?? Who ranks higher in the All time lists??


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[Proctor]

:facepalm

Mutumbo easily

[Xiao Yao You]

:facepalm

Mutumbo easily

not to mention Greg Monroe, Whiteside and Naz Reid

[1987_Lakers]

It's a good comparison. Mutombo didn't play in an era where he was forced to guard perimeter players on switches like Gobert did, which is where some of the Gobert hate comes from. With that said, I would still give a slight edge to Mutombo.

[Kblaze8855]

There’s no question all time considering the way accolades play into that. Nor is there any question Mutombos accolades came with considerably more competition at his position for glory. Hakeem, Shaq, Drob, Ewing, and Mourning in your way for all nba and all star spots is considerably more than anyone modern has to deal with at the 5. DeAndre Jordan was all nba first team the same year Drummond was 3rd. In such a league it should be easier to build positional accolades but Mutombo still comes out ahead.

And with the new cba eliminating positions from all nba votes? And the All star game being just front court and back? I don’t know that Rudy can catch up. The league doesn’t want to give a token spot to centers who do less than ever. So like I said…accolade wise? Mutombo. And he will likely keep that lead forever.

As a player?

It’s close to a tossup. There may be a difference but it’s not one worth a whole ordeal over.

I do wish Gobert had more star bigs to play to make that evaluation a little easier but it is what it is. He has to defend more in space and Mutombo had to get killed by Shaq down low and dance with Hakeem.

But in the end….same basic level. Accolades aside you get about the same level of play. Mutombo more blocks but people played inside more. If 2-3 players on every team played around the basket like in 1995 Rudy would block more shots. At the same time….if he played teams that usually had 2 real bigs…he’d get less rebounds. Ewing, Oakley, and Mason in one frontcourt or Hakeem and Thorpe….or Rodman and David Robinson? Not pushing around tweener forwards at the 4 and often a stretch 5 on top of it. You have Shaq and Horace grant together. Or Zo and PJ Brown.

Rebounds obviously require more tussling.

Little things like that alter the numbers to favor one or the other but the basic level of play?

Tossup while leaning slightly towards the guy I’ve seen play tougher competition.

[Nike D'Antoni]

:facepalm

Mutumbo easily

This

[Xiao Yao You]

which makes Boozer and Mutumbo a toss up :facepalm

[Manny98]

I'd take Mutombo

Slightly better defensively

Better free throw shooter and can hit the occasional jumper

[FKAri]

Easily Gobert in today's NBA. Easily Mutombo in the 90s.

[Xiao Yao You]

Easily Gobert in today's NBA. Easily Mutombo in the 90s.

probably. We'll never know what Gobert would have looked like with more weight on him or rather his body would have held up to having more weight or rather the cumbersome Mutumbo could have guarded in space today

[highwhey]

Easily Gobert in today's NBA. Easily Mutombo in the 90s.

easily i'd one swing KO you if i wanted to

[90sgoat]

:facepalm

Mutumbo easily

Mutombo is literally better at everything.

[1987_Lakers]

Mutombo is literally better at everything.

They are basically the same across the board.

Gobert is a little quicker and a little better offensively while Mutombo was a little better at what they both specialize at, which is defense.

[Xiao Yao You]

Mutombo is literally better at everything.

not better defending in space or setting screens or roll gravity or English or French I'm assuming...

[FKAri]

probably. We'll never know what Gobert would have looked like with more weight on him or rather his body would have held up to having more weight or rather the cumbersome Mutumbo could have guarded in space today

You're right about that. There's a chance Gobert could be as good as Mutombo in the 90s but there's no way Mutombo is on Gobert's level today. Guys can gain weight but they can't improve their foot speed. Mutombo was awful at covering space by even the standards of 90s centers.

[Kblaze8855]

not better defending in space or setting screens or roll gravity or English or French I'm assuming...


He’s from Congo. French might be his first language. He speaks like 10.

[Xiao Yao You]

He’s from Congo. French might be his first language. He speaks like 10.

yeah but I've always wondered how many of them he actually speaks well. His English is awful

[Kblaze8855]

His voice is awful not his English. One of his names is Jacque. I’m confident French is one of his main languages. I…think…every African I’ve ever known spoke French. Not that I’ve known 50. But the ones I’ve known halfway well all spoke French. They were pretty elite colonizers.

[90sgoat]

They are basically the same across the board.

Gobert is a little quicker and a little better offensively while Mutombo was a little better at what they both specialize at, which is defense.

Nah, Mutombo was far more physically imposing.

Like 40lbs heavier and an inch or two taller. Mutombo is taller than Joel Embiid:

https://thesixersense.com/wp-content/uploads/getty-images/2017/07/983950556.jpeg

And Mutombo was far more mobile than Embiid or Gobert.

[Xiao Yao You]

Nah, Mutombo was far more physically imposing.

Like 40lbs heavier and an inch or two taller. Mutombo is taller than Joel Embiid:

https://thesixersense.com/wp-content/uploads/getty-images/2017/07/983950556.jpeg

And Mutombo was far more mobile than Embiid or Gobert.

Gobert would have played with more weight. I'd guess he's longer than Mutumbo. He's certainly a lot more mobile

[Xiao Yao You]

basketball reference

Mutumbo 7-2, 245lb (218cm, 111kg)

Gobert 7-1, 258lb (216cm, 117kg)

pure muscle weighs more

[Kblaze8855]

I don’t know which of them was bigger but I know official listings don’t help much. Shaq varied from 290 to 400 but only has one listed weight. I suspect Giannis is bigger than KD as well. Nba used to list rookie year weight forever which throws off a lot of retired guys. They’re probably pretty close anyway.

[Xiao Yao You]

I'd guess Gobert weighs more. He is all muscle, little body fat Dikembe was not fat nor muscular

[Manny98]

I'd guess Gobert weighs more. He is all muscle, little body fat Dikembe was not fat nor muscular

All that muscle can't stop Shaedon Sharpe at the rim :roll:

https://streamable.com/adtm4e

[Xiao Yao You]

All that muscle can't stop Shaedon Sharpe at the rim :roll:

https://streamable.com/adtm4e

it helps him stay with him at to the rim. Imagine Mutumbo to trying guard that

[Reggie43]

Close but Denver Mutombo was clearly better.

[kawhileonard2]

:facepalm

Mutumbo easily

This!

[kawhileonard2]

Dikembe vs Embiid is the better comparison.

[RRR3]

Dikembe vs Embiid is the better comparison.
:facepalm

[Axe]

I'll take the one who already has gotten to the finals, at least.

[Xiao Yao You]

I'll take the one who already has gotten to the finals, at least.

even if he didn't score a lot? :roll:

[Axe]

even if he didn't score a lot? :roll:
Has somebody even mentioned here that he affects the game offensively? Or maybe his offensive impact? :confusedshrug: :oldlol:

[Xiao Yao You]

Has somebody even mentioned here that he affects the game offensively? Or maybe his offensive impact? :confusedshrug: :oldlol:

no but you seem to be obsessed with how much a non scorer in Gobert scores :facepalm

[Axe]

Because you kept on bragging about how your precious hero is supposed to best offensive player on the floor. Or the player with the best offensive capability when reality tends to disagree with it. So go figure. :kobe:

[Xiao Yao You]

Because you kept on bragging about how your precious hero is supposed to best offensive player on the floor. Or the player with the best offensive capability when reality tends to disagree with it. So go figure. :kobe:

I don't have heroes. I'm not 12 and I never said that. Leave it to a troll to make shit up

[BigShotBob]

You're right about that. There's a chance Gobert could be as good as Mutombo in the 90s but there's no way Mutombo is on Gobert's level today. Guys can gain weight but they can't improve their foot speed. Mutombo was awful at covering space by even the standards of 90s centers.

Mutumbo was not Jokic in space I'm not sure where this narrative is coming from.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxBWo_7fdzk&ab_channel=ZGL

Literally guards Kemp from the 3 point line down and blocks him....

Love having to educate posters here it tells me all I need to know

@Kblaze do better educating people

[1987_Lakers]

Mutumbo was not Jokic in space I'm not sure where this narrative is coming from.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxBWo_7fdzk&ab_channel=ZGL

Literally guards Kemp from the 3 point line down and blocks him....

Love having to educate posters here it tells me all I need to know

@Kblaze do better educating people

Showing a couple of clips in a highlight reel doesn't prove your point. Just exposing how dumb you are.

You yourself said Giannis doesn't have skills.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gFcPwyKqYg

Oh look, I found a clip of him showing some skill which any moron can do.

"Love having to educate posters here and tell it like it is"

This is what you sound like. You find one clip of something and you think he was doing this often.

Sit down.

[BigShotBob]

Showing a couple of clips in a highlight reel doesn't prove your point. Just exposing how dumb you are.

You yourself said Giannis doesn't have skills.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gFcPwyKqYg

Oh look, I found a clip of him showing some skill which any moron can do.

"Love having to educate posters here and tell it like it is"

This is what you sound like.

Sit down.

You didn't watch basketball back then so you don't know anything. Not sure why you have to deflect. Just accept that you're being educated and be gracious about it. Learn to be humble.

Too bad stats show that Giannis shoots 35% from outside of 10 feet in the midrange area (you know, where it takes skill to hit your shots). By comparison a player with real skill (Embiid) shoots 50% in the same area

Must be hard to be wrong constantly

[1987_Lakers]

You didn't watch basketball back then so you don't know anything.

You've never seen a game in your life. Tell me again how Tatum doesn't play any defense.

Just 10 min ago you didn't even know a LeBron stat posted by another user was from the Finals, you thought it was an eastern conference playoff game/ :oldlol:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?510879-Where-are-Lebron-s-seminal-Finals-performances-that/page2

[BigShotBob]

You've never seen a game in your life. Tell me again how Tatum doesn't play any defense.

Just 10 min ago you didn't even know a LeBron stat posted by another user was from the Finals, you thought it was an eastern conference playoff game/ :oldlol:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?510879-Where-are-Lebron-s-seminal-Finals-performances-that/page2

Tom Brady

[Reggie43]

Deke was akward but was a good athlete when he was younger. Just saw a draft day video wherein the panel was talking about Mutombo beating centers up and down the floor as one of the ways he could score in the league.

[1987_Lakers]

I have nothing

We know.

[1987_Lakers]

Deke was akward but was a good athlete when he was younger. Just saw a draft day video wherein the panel was talking about Mutombo beating centers up and down the floor as one of the ways he could score in the league.

Most mobile center that doesn't get talked about is Robert Parish. I've seen tons of 80's Celtics games and one thing that jumped out at me was how fast Parish got down the court during a fast break. Dude moved like a guard.

[Axe]

I don't have heroes. I'm not 12 and I never said that. Leave it to a troll to make shit up
Except you actually did. That's why others are making fun of you. Now stop lying ffs.

[Reggie43]

Underrated for sure. Was always intrigued by Parish being a franchise player level talent that was overshadowed on a great team.

[Xiao Yao You]

Mutumbo was not Jokic in space I'm not sure where this narrative is coming from.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxBWo_7fdzk&ab_channel=ZGL

Literally guards Kemp from the 3 point line down and blocks him....

Love having to educate posters here it tells me all I need to know

@Kblaze do better educating people

Kemp wasn't a guard

[Xiao Yao You]

Deke was akward but was a good athlete when he was younger. Just saw a draft day video wherein the panel was talking about Mutombo beating centers up and down the floor as one of the ways he could score in the league.

which he did as a rookie in Westhead's gimmick offense

[Xiao Yao You]

Except you actually did. That's why others are making fun of you. Now stop lying ffs.

I didn't but keep saying shit that's not true

[Xiao Yao You]

Underrated for sure. Was always intrigued by Parish being a franchise player level talent that was overshadowed on a great team.

Not sure he was considered that kind of talent when Boston got him other than by Red

[Axe]

Not one, not two. But four posts in a row. :whatever:

[Xiao Yao You]

Not one, not two. But four posts in a row. :whatever:

yeah I had to sleep unlike trolls who never let it rest

[HoopologyPhD]

I am taking the Honorable Mr. Dikembe Mutombo Mpolondo Mukamba Jean-Jacques Wamutombo

[Reggie43]

https://s10.gifyu.com/images/83FKMua0pm7accJB.gif (https://gifyu.com/image/SIew3)

A very rare play of young Deke looking like David Robinson lol.

Definitely a better athlete from what most of us remember.

[L.Kizzle]

https://s10.gifyu.com/images/83FKMua0pm7accJB.gif (https://gifyu.com/image/SIew3)

A very rare play of young Deke looking like David Robinson lol.

Definitely a better athlete from what most of us remember.

That was a rookie Deke. He was 34 by his 2nd season.

[L.Kizzle]

Also speaking of Deke, how is he doing? He was diagnosed with cancer about 6 months back.

[tontoz]

Funny thing about deke was how slow he moved with the ball compared to how he was on D. When he caught the ball in the post he would bring it down to his waist and squeeze it like he was trying to pop it. Comical.

He did have a good jump hook but it took a long time for him to set it up and shoot it.

On D he would cover ground so quickly it would surprise guys. They would think they had a layup then.....nonono.

Deke was my favorite player back when I lived in Atlanta.

[RRR3]

That was a rookie Deke. He was 34 by his 2nd season.
So your position is Dikembe Mutombo was still an all star at 43 and played until he was 50? :roll: :facepalm

[Xiao Yao You]

Funny thing about deke was how slow he moved with the ball compared to how he was on D. When he caught the ball in the post he would bring it down to his waist and squeeze it like he was trying to pop it. Comical.

He did have a good jump hook but it took a long time for him to set it up and shoot it.

On D he would cover ground so quickly it would surprise guys. They would think they had a layup then.....nonono.

Deke was my favorite player back when I lived in Atlanta.

yeah it wasn't pretty but he was effective

[Kblaze8855]

So your position is Dikembe Mutombo was still an all star at 43 and played until he was 50? :roll: :facepalm


I don’t know what to make of them myself. They’re often offended by the idea, but a lot of those older Africans had ages made up by scouts. Manute Bol had an age pulled out of the ass of the guy trying to get him into college.

Dikembe it’s only fair to say has a more official background. His dad was a teacher and he was gonna be a doctor before deciding on basketball which is why he was a 25 year old rookie…

But a 25 year old rookie who then played 18 years on top of it?

He should be the all time games leader if he came in at a normal age.

If he had a deathbed confession that he was 28 as a rookie I wouldn’t dismiss it. I’m sure he’s deeply offended by the idea but it is what it is.

Id bet anything Manute was a lot older than he said.

[post]

gobert

https://i.ibb.co/4R615DG/5f4847a1ba6f7f0268b47310bf49db73.jpg

[BigShotBob]

That was a rookie Deke. He was 34 by his 2nd season.

:oldlol: