Revisiting ESPN's Ranking of the NBA's 75th Anniversary Team

[Lebron23]

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ESPN's Ranking of the NBA's 75th Anniversary Team

1 Michael Jordan
2 LeBron James
3 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
4 Magic Johnson
5 Wilt Chamberlain
6 Bill Russell
7 Larry Bird
8 Tim Duncan
9 Oscar Robertson
10 Kobe Bryant
11 Shaquille O'Neal
12 Kevin Durant
13 Hakeem Olajuwon
14 Julius Erving
15 Moses Malone
16 Stephen Curry
17 Dirk Nowitzki
18 Giannis Antetokounmpo
19 Jerry West
20 Elgin Baylor
21 Kevin Garnett
22 Charles Barkley
23 Karl Malone
24 John Stockton
25 David Robinson
26 John Havlicek
27 Isiah Thomas
28 George Mikan
29 Chris Paul
30 Dwyane Wade
31 Allen Iverson
32 Scottie Pippen
33 Kawhi Leonard
34 Bob Cousy
35 Bob Pettit
36 Dominique Wilkins
37 Steve Nash
38 Rick Barry
39 Kevin McHale
40 Patrick Ewing
41 Walt Frazier
42 Gary Payton
43 Jason Kidd
44 Bill Walton
45 Bob McAdoo
46 Jerry Lucas
47 Ray Allen
48 Wes Unseld
49 Nate Thurmond
50 James Harden
51 Reggie Miller
52 George Gervin
53 Clyde Drexler
54 Pete Maravich
55 Earl Monroe
56 James Worthy
57 Willis Reed
58 Elvin Hayes
59 Nate Archibald
60 Sam Jones
61 Dave Cowens
62 Paul Pierce
63 Robert Parish
64 Hal Greer
65 Lenny Wilkens
66 Paul Arizin
67 Dennis Rodman
68 Russell Westbrook
69 Carmelo Anthony
70 Dolph Schayes
71 Anthony Davis
72 Billy Cunningham
73 Dave DeBusschere
74 Dave Bing
75 Damian Lillard
76 Bill Sharman

[MrFonzworth]

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[Manny98]

Safe to include Jokic & Embiid in the top 75

Curry is top 10 after ring 4

[Lebron23]

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You really have a huge crush on me?? You Asian Midget.

[Axe]

Lol at brodie being #68.

[L.Kizzle]

Lol at brodie being #68.
This list was terrible.
Reggie over Clyde stood out.

[Axe]

This list was terrible.
Reggie over Clyde stood out.
Of course it is because #39 lol. 😜

[L.Kizzle]

Of course it is because #39 lol. ��
The entire list is terrible, #39 included. #36. I can keep going.

[John8204]

I'd be curious to see what peoples actual rankings would be....if it were up to me

1 Michael Jordan
2. (5) Wilt Chamberlain
3. (2) LeBron James
4. (7) Larry Bird
5. (3) Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
6. (4) Magic Johnson
7. (6) Bill Russell
8. (28) George Mikan
9. (10) Kobe Bryant
10. (9) Oscar Robertson
11. (19) Jerry West
12. (8) Tim Duncan
13. (15) Moses Malone
14. (13) Hakeem Olajuwon
15. (16) Stephen Curry
16. (24) John Stockton
17. (14) Julius Erving
18. (17) Dirk Nowitzki
19. (35) Bob Pettit
20. (26) John Havlicek
21. (20) Elgin Baylor
22. (11) Shaquille O'Neal
23. (22) Charles Barkley
24. (21) Kevin Garnett
25. (29) Chris Paul
26. (41) Walt Frazier
27. (18) Giannis Antetokounmpo
28. (38) Rick Barry
29. (52) George Gervin
30. (43) Jason Kidd
31. (31) Allen Iverson
32. (12) Kevin Durant
33. (25) David Robinson
34. (23) Karl Malone
35. (33) Kawhi Leonard
36. (27) Isiah Thomas
37. (42) Gary Payton
38. (30) Dwyane Wade
39. (54) Pete Maravich
40. (59) Nate Archibald
41. (66) Paul Arizin
42 (57) Willis Reed
43. (39) Kevin McHale
44. (50) James Harden
45. (32) Scottie Pippen
46. (49) Nate Thurmond
47. (40) Patrick Ewing
48. (44) Bill Walton
49. (51) Reggie Miller
50. (58) Elvin Hayes
51. (53) Clyde Drexler
52. (62) Paul Pierce
53. (70) Dolph Schayes
54. (36) Dominique Wilkins
55. (37) Steve Nash
56. (69) Carmelo Anthony
57. (67) Dennis Rodman
58. (34) Bob Cousy
59. (56) James Worthy
60. (45) Bob McAdoo
61. (60) Sam Jones
62. (64) Hal Greer
63. (48) Wes Unseld
64. (55) Earl Monroe
65. (61) Dave Cowens
66. (63) Robert Parish
67. (75) Damian Lillard
68. (46) Jerry Lucas
69. (71) Anthony Davis
70. (47) Ray Allen
71. (73) Dave DeBusschere
72. (68) Russell Westbrook
73.(72) Billy Cunningham
74. (76) Bill Sharman
75. (65) Lenny Wilkens
76. (74) Dave Bing

1. I don't get why Durant is so high especially when the earlier generation versions of KD (multi-time scoring champs) are so low.
2. ESPN overcorrected with Dominique and McAdoo and they buried Rick Barry George Gervin and Pete Maravich.
3. Bob Cousy really wasn't better than Paul Arizin and Dolph Schayes along with Bob Pettit and George Mikan the first gen are the easiest to rank yet they seem to get the worst take on these lists.
4. 64-76 are guys that I would likely cut from this list. Alex English, Tracy McGrady, Dikembe Mutombo, Dwight Howard, Nikolai Jokic, Joel Embiid, Adrian Dantley, Klay Thompson, Sidney Moncrief, and Dan Issell
5. I don't know what the hell Ray Allen is doing in the top fifty....he was borderline to make the list in the first place. I bunch of guys at Ray Allen's skill level didn't even make the cut(Grant Hill, Chris Webber, Alonzo Mourning).
6. Shaq....eh three of his rings are tainted as hell.

[L.Kizzle]

I'd be curious to see what peoples actual rankings would be....if it were up to me

1 Michael Jordan
2. (5) Wilt Chamberlain
3. (2) LeBron James
4. (7) Larry Bird
5. (3) Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
6. (4) Magic Johnson
7. (6) Bill Russell
8. (28) George Mikan
9. (10) Kobe Bryant
10. (9) Oscar Robertson
11. (19) Jerry West
12. (8) Tim Duncan
13. (15) Moses Malone
14. (13) Hakeem Olajuwon
15. (16) Stephen Curry
16. (24) John Stockton
17. (14) Julius Erving
18. (17) Dirk Nowitzki
19. (35) Bob Pettit
20. (26) John Havlicek
21. (20) Elgin Baylor
22. (11) Shaquille O'Neal
23. (22) Charles Barkley
24. (21) Kevin Garnett
25. (29) Chris Paul
26. (41) Walt Frazier
27. (18) Giannis Antetokounmpo
28. (38) Rick Barry
29. (52) George Gervin
30. (43) Jason Kidd
31. (31) Allen Iverson
32. (12) Kevin Durant
33. (25) David Robinson
34. (23) Karl Malone
35. (33) Kawhi Leonard
36. (27) Isiah Thomas
37. (42) Gary Payton
38. (30) Dwyane Wade
39. (54) Pete Maravich
40. (59) Nate Archibald
41. (66) Paul Arizin
42 (57) Willis Reed
43. (39) Kevin McHale
44. (50) James Harden
45. (32) Scottie Pippen
46. (49) Nate Thurmond
47. (40) Patrick Ewing
48. (44) Bill Walton
49. (51) Reggie Miller
50. (58) Elvin Hayes
51. (53) Clyde Drexler
52. (62) Paul Pierce
53. (70) Dolph Schayes
54. (36) Dominique Wilkins
55. (37) Steve Nash
56. (69) Carmelo Anthony
57. (67) Dennis Rodman
58. (34) Bob Cousy
59. (56) James Worthy
60. (45) Bob McAdoo
61. (60) Sam Jones
62. (64) Hal Greer
63. (48) Wes Unseld
64. (55) Earl Monroe
65. (61) Dave Cowens
66. (63) Robert Parish
67. (75) Damian Lillard
68. (46) Jerry Lucas
69. (71) Anthony Davis
70. (47) Ray Allen
71. (73) Dave DeBusschere
72. (68) Russell Westbrook
73.(72) Billy Cunningham
74. (76) Bill Sharman
75. (65) Lenny Wilkens
76. (74) Dave Bing

1. I don't get why Durant is so high especially when the earlier generation versions of KD (multi-time scoring champs) are so low.
2. ESPN overcorrected with Dominique and McAdoo and they buried Rick Barry George Gervin and Pete Maravich.
3. Bob Cousy really wasn't better than Paul Arizin and Dolph Schayes along with Bob Pettit and George Mikan the first gen are the easiest to rank yet they seem to get the worst take on these lists.
4. 64-76 are guys that I would likely cut from this list. Alex English, Tracy McGrady, Dikembe Mutombo, Dwight Howard, Nikolai Jokic, Joel Embiid, Adrian Dantley, Klay Thompson, Sidney Moncrief, and Dan Issell
5. I don't know what the hell Ray Allen is doing in the top fifty....he was borderline to make the list in the first place. I bunch of guys at Ray Allen's skill level didn't even make the cut(Grant Hill, Chris Webber, Alonzo Mourning).
6. Shaq....eh three of his rings are tainted as hell.
John Stockton 16, Karl Malone 34 ...

[John8204]

John Stockton 16, Karl Malone 34 ...

Yup...Stockton's achievements have aged better than Malone's post your list

Also Top 10 rankings....
PF
Lebron, Duncan, Dirk, Pettit, Barkley, Garnett, Giannis, Malone, McHale, Hayes
PG
Magic, Oscar, Curry, Stockton, CPIII, Frazier, Kidd, Isiah, Payton, Archibald

SG
Jordan, Kobe, West, Gervin, Iverson, Wade, Maravich, Harden, Miller, Drexler
SF
Bird, Erving, Havlicek, Baylor, Barry, Durant, Kwahi, Arizin, Pippen, Pierce
C
Wilt, KAJ, Bill, Mikan, Moses, Hakeem, Shaq, Robinson, Reed, Thurmond

[hold this L]

I'd be curious to see what peoples actual rankings would be....if it were up to me

1 Michael Jordan
2. (5) Wilt Chamberlain
3. (2) LeBron James
4. (7) Larry Bird
5. (3) Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
6. (4) Magic Johnson
7. (6) Bill Russell
8. (28) George Mikan
9. (10) Kobe Bryant
10. (9) Oscar Robertson
11. (19) Jerry West
12. (8) Tim Duncan
13. (15) Moses Malone
14. (13) Hakeem Olajuwon
15. (16) Stephen Curry
16. (24) John Stockton
17. (14) Julius Erving
18. (17) Dirk Nowitzki
19. (35) Bob Pettit
20. (26) John Havlicek
21. (20) Elgin Baylor
22. (11) Shaquille O'Neal
23. (22) Charles Barkley
24. (21) Kevin Garnett
25. (29) Chris Paul
26. (41) Walt Frazier
27. (18) Giannis Antetokounmpo
28. (38) Rick Barry
29. (52) George Gervin
30. (43) Jason Kidd
31. (31) Allen Iverson
32. (12) Kevin Durant
33. (25) David Robinson
34. (23) Karl Malone
35. (33) Kawhi Leonard
36. (27) Isiah Thomas
37. (42) Gary Payton
38. (30) Dwyane Wade
39. (54) Pete Maravich
40. (59) Nate Archibald
41. (66) Paul Arizin
42 (57) Willis Reed
43. (39) Kevin McHale
44. (50) James Harden
45. (32) Scottie Pippen
46. (49) Nate Thurmond
47. (40) Patrick Ewing
48. (44) Bill Walton
49. (51) Reggie Miller
50. (58) Elvin Hayes
51. (53) Clyde Drexler
52. (62) Paul Pierce
53. (70) Dolph Schayes
54. (36) Dominique Wilkins
55. (37) Steve Nash
56. (69) Carmelo Anthony
57. (67) Dennis Rodman
58. (34) Bob Cousy
59. (56) James Worthy
60. (45) Bob McAdoo
61. (60) Sam Jones
62. (64) Hal Greer
63. (48) Wes Unseld
64. (55) Earl Monroe
65. (61) Dave Cowens
66. (63) Robert Parish
67. (75) Damian Lillard
68. (46) Jerry Lucas
69. (71) Anthony Davis
70. (47) Ray Allen
71. (73) Dave DeBusschere
72. (68) Russell Westbrook
73.(72) Billy Cunningham
74. (76) Bill Sharman
75. (65) Lenny Wilkens
76. (74) Dave Bing

1. I don't get why Durant is so high especially when the earlier generation versions of KD (multi-time scoring champs) are so low.
2. ESPN overcorrected with Dominique and McAdoo and they buried Rick Barry George Gervin and Pete Maravich.
3. Bob Cousy really wasn't better than Paul Arizin and Dolph Schayes along with Bob Pettit and George Mikan the first gen are the easiest to rank yet they seem to get the worst take on these lists.
4. 64-76 are guys that I would likely cut from this list. Alex English, Tracy McGrady, Dikembe Mutombo, Dwight Howard, Nikolai Jokic, Joel Embiid, Adrian Dantley, Klay Thompson, Sidney Moncrief, and Dan Issell
5. I don't know what the hell Ray Allen is doing in the top fifty....he was borderline to make the list in the first place. I bunch of guys at Ray Allen's skill level didn't even make the cut(Grant Hill, Chris Webber, Alonzo Mourning).
6. Shaq....eh three of his rings are tainted as hell.

This is one of the worst lists I've ever seen.

[John8204]

This is one of the worst lists I've ever seen.

Cool..post your own

[Xiao Yao You]

Yup...Stockton's achievements have aged better than Malone's post your list

Also Top 10 rankings....
PF
Lebron, Duncan, Dirk, Pettit, Barkley, Garnett, Giannis, Malone, McHale, Hayes
PG
Magic, Oscar, Curry, Stockton, CPIII, Frazier, Kidd, Isiah, Payton, Archibald

SG
Jordan, Kobe, West, Gervin, Iverson, Wade, Maravich, Harden, Miller, Drexler
SF
Bird, Erving, Havlicek, Baylor, Barry, Durant, Kwahi, Arizin, Pippen, Pierce
C
Wilt, KAJ, Bill, Mikan, Moses, Hakeem, Shaq, Robinson, Reed, Thurmond

I would have always chosen Stock over Karl if I'd had to choose one

[hold this L]

Cool..post your own
A lot of lists are highly subjective, where someone ranks guys like Bird, Magic, Kobe Kareem etc. But putting Wilt as #2 is retarded, having Oscar and Mikan in the top is even more idiotic. Are you trying to impress people on ish like some cringy pseudo intellectual that knows about the past? Shaq at 22 is also one of the dumbest lists I've seen in some time.

[John8204]

A lot of lists are highly subjective, where someone ranks guys like Bird, Magic, Kobe Kareem etc. But putting Wilt as #2 is retarded, having Oscar and Mikan in the top is even more idiotic. Are you trying to impress people on ish like some cringy pseudo intellectual that knows about the past? Shaq at 22 is also one of the dumbest lists I've seen in some time.

I'm more than willing to discuss my list vs your list...but it seems like you are too much of a coward to post your own list.

[hold this L]

I'm more than willing to discuss my list vs your list...but it seems like you are too much of a coward to post your own list.

I'm not talking about my list though you goofball, I'm saying there's a few in there that don't make sense.

How old are you anyway?

[John8204]

I'm not talking about my list though you goofball, I'm saying there's a few in there that don't make sense.

How old are you anyway?

I rank based on position and generation and then I weave the two lists together to get my lists.

I don't have a problem with you not liking my list, it's my list. This is a basketball forum a place for discussion. The thing about you is rather than post your list or discuss my list you insult me and fail to put out your own list. So either you are a coward or you are dumb and you don't know about many players on the list.

[aj1987]

I'd be curious to see what peoples actual rankings would be....if it were up to me

1 Michael Jordan
2. (5) Wilt Chamberlain
3. (2) LeBron James
4. (7) Larry Bird
5. (3) Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
6. (4) Magic Johnson
7. (6) Bill Russell
8. (28) George Mikan
9. (10) Kobe Bryant
10. (9) Oscar Robertson
11. (19) Jerry West
12. (8) Tim Duncan
13. (15) Moses Malone
14. (13) Hakeem Olajuwon
15. (16) Stephen Curry
16. (24) John Stockton
17. (14) Julius Erving
18. (17) Dirk Nowitzki
19. (35) Bob Pettit
20. (26) John Havlicek
21. (20) Elgin Baylor
22. (11) Shaquille O'Neal
23. (22) Charles Barkley
24. (21) Kevin Garnett
25. (29) Chris Paul
26. (41) Walt Frazier
27. (18) Giannis Antetokounmpo
28. (38) Rick Barry
29. (52) George Gervin
30. (43) Jason Kidd
31. (31) Allen Iverson
32. (12) Kevin Durant
33. (25) David Robinson
34. (23) Karl Malone
35. (33) Kawhi Leonard
36. (27) Isiah Thomas
37. (42) Gary Payton
38. (30) Dwyane Wade
39. (54) Pete Maravich
40. (59) Nate Archibald
41. (66) Paul Arizin
42 (57) Willis Reed
43. (39) Kevin McHale
44. (50) James Harden
45. (32) Scottie Pippen
46. (49) Nate Thurmond
47. (40) Patrick Ewing
48. (44) Bill Walton
49. (51) Reggie Miller
50. (58) Elvin Hayes
51. (53) Clyde Drexler
52. (62) Paul Pierce
53. (70) Dolph Schayes
54. (36) Dominique Wilkins
55. (37) Steve Nash
56. (69) Carmelo Anthony
57. (67) Dennis Rodman
58. (34) Bob Cousy
59. (56) James Worthy
60. (45) Bob McAdoo
61. (60) Sam Jones
62. (64) Hal Greer
63. (48) Wes Unseld
64. (55) Earl Monroe
65. (61) Dave Cowens
66. (63) Robert Parish
67. (75) Damian Lillard
68. (46) Jerry Lucas
69. (71) Anthony Davis
70. (47) Ray Allen
71. (73) Dave DeBusschere
72. (68) Russell Westbrook
73.(72) Billy Cunningham
74. (76) Bill Sharman
75. (65) Lenny Wilkens
76. (74) Dave Bing

1. I don't get why Durant is so high especially when the earlier generation versions of KD (multi-time scoring champs) are so low.
2. ESPN overcorrected with Dominique and McAdoo and they buried Rick Barry George Gervin and Pete Maravich.
3. Bob Cousy really wasn't better than Paul Arizin and Dolph Schayes along with Bob Pettit and George Mikan the first gen are the easiest to rank yet they seem to get the worst take on these lists.
4. 64-76 are guys that I would likely cut from this list. Alex English, Tracy McGrady, Dikembe Mutombo, Dwight Howard, Nikolai Jokic, Joel Embiid, Adrian Dantley, Klay Thompson, Sidney Moncrief, and Dan Issell
5. I don't know what the hell Ray Allen is doing in the top fifty....he was borderline to make the list in the first place. I bunch of guys at Ray Allen's skill level didn't even make the cut(Grant Hill, Chris Webber, Alonzo Mourning).
6. Shaq....eh three of his rings are tainted as hell.

This has to be the worst list in the history of lists.

[SaltyMeatballs]

I'd be curious to see what peoples actual rankings would be....if it were up to me

1 Michael Jordan
2. (5) Wilt Chamberlain
3. (2) LeBron James
4. (7) Larry Bird
5. (3) Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
6. (4) Magic Johnson
7. (6) Bill Russell
8. (28) George Mikan
9. (10) Kobe Bryant
10. (9) Oscar Robertson
11. (19) Jerry West
12. (8) Tim Duncan
13. (15) Moses Malone
14. (13) Hakeem Olajuwon
15. (16) Stephen Curry
16. (24) John Stockton
17. (14) Julius Erving
18. (17) Dirk Nowitzki
19. (35) Bob Pettit
20. (26) John Havlicek
21. (20) Elgin Baylor
22. (11) Shaquille O'Neal
23. (22) Charles Barkley
24. (21) Kevin Garnett
25. (29) Chris Paul
26. (41) Walt Frazier
27. (18) Giannis Antetokounmpo
28. (38) Rick Barry
29. (52) George Gervin
30. (43) Jason Kidd
31. (31) Allen Iverson
32. (12) Kevin Durant
33. (25) David Robinson
34. (23) Karl Malone
35. (33) Kawhi Leonard
36. (27) Isiah Thomas
37. (42) Gary Payton
38. (30) Dwyane Wade
39. (54) Pete Maravich
40. (59) Nate Archibald
41. (66) Paul Arizin
42 (57) Willis Reed
43. (39) Kevin McHale
44. (50) James Harden
45. (32) Scottie Pippen
46. (49) Nate Thurmond
47. (40) Patrick Ewing
48. (44) Bill Walton
49. (51) Reggie Miller
50. (58) Elvin Hayes
51. (53) Clyde Drexler
52. (62) Paul Pierce
53. (70) Dolph Schayes
54. (36) Dominique Wilkins
55. (37) Steve Nash
56. (69) Carmelo Anthony
57. (67) Dennis Rodman
58. (34) Bob Cousy
59. (56) James Worthy
60. (45) Bob McAdoo
61. (60) Sam Jones
62. (64) Hal Greer
63. (48) Wes Unseld
64. (55) Earl Monroe
65. (61) Dave Cowens
66. (63) Robert Parish
67. (75) Damian Lillard
68. (46) Jerry Lucas
69. (71) Anthony Davis
70. (47) Ray Allen
71. (73) Dave DeBusschere
72. (68) Russell Westbrook
73.(72) Billy Cunningham
74. (76) Bill Sharman
75. (65) Lenny Wilkens
76. (74) Dave Bing

1. I don't get why Durant is so high especially when the earlier generation versions of KD (multi-time scoring champs) are so low.
2. ESPN overcorrected with Dominique and McAdoo and they buried Rick Barry George Gervin and Pete Maravich.
3. Bob Cousy really wasn't better than Paul Arizin and Dolph Schayes along with Bob Pettit and George Mikan the first gen are the easiest to rank yet they seem to get the worst take on these lists.
4. 64-76 are guys that I would likely cut from this list. Alex English, Tracy McGrady, Dikembe Mutombo, Dwight Howard, Nikolai Jokic, Joel Embiid, Adrian Dantley, Klay Thompson, Sidney Moncrief, and Dan Issell
5. I don't know what the hell Ray Allen is doing in the top fifty....he was borderline to make the list in the first place. I bunch of guys at Ray Allen's skill level didn't even make the cut(Grant Hill, Chris Webber, Alonzo Mourning).
6. Shaq....eh three of his rings are tainted as hell.

You took all that time to create your own list just to have it be one of the worst lists on the internet :oldlol:

And I'm not exaggerating either. It's incredibly laughable just how putrid your list is

Wilt at 2
Mikan at 8
Shaq at 22??? What the actual **** are you smoking
Stockton over guys like Shaq, KG, D-Rob, and KD???

Never talk basketball again. You are genuinely so stupid.

[aj1987]

You took all that time to create your own list just to have it be one of the worst lists on the internet :oldlol:

And I'm not exaggerating either. It's incredibly laughable just how putrid your list is

Wilt at 2
Mikan at 8
Shaq at 22??? What the actual **** are you smoking
Stockton over guys like Shaq, KG, D-Rob, and KD???

Never talk basketball again. You are genuinely so stupid.

GP, Isiah, Kidd, AI, CP3, Gervin, and Frazier over Wade? LMAO! :roll:

Did is definitely tweaking.

[Jasper]

This list was terrible.
Reggie over Clyde stood out.

10 4

Clyde was the Knicks , next to Reed / Then Monroe showed up.
Possibly the second super team in league history next to Celtics in the 60's.
All of the Knick's starters are in the Hall of fame.

[Jasper]

Kind of surprised at Giannis at 18th... only 1 ring /
but his defensive is a bearable ... not sure if top 20 all time though.

[Jasper]

I thought Bill Bradley was voted as one of the top 50 all time ... did not see him on the top 75 all time .. ???

[Axe]

You took all that time to create your own list just to have it be one of the worst lists on the internet :oldlol:

And I'm not exaggerating either. It's incredibly laughable just how putrid your list is

Wilt at 2
Mikan at 8
Shaq at 22??? What the actual **** are you smoking
Stockton over guys like Shaq, KG, D-Rob, and KD???

Never talk basketball again. You are genuinely so stupid.
All of the guys on the list had their ranks adjusted, save for baldan. :lol

[L.Kizzle]

I thought Bill Bradley was voted as one of the top 50 all time ... did not see him on the top 75 all time .. ???
Top 50 most overrated. He was an All-Star once.

[L.Kizzle]

2 MVPs as well.

[Xiao Yao You]

Top 50 most overrated. He was an All-Star once.

maybe they are counting his political career kind of like the HOF counts non NBA stuff

[L.Kizzle]

10 4

Clyde was the Knicks , next to Reed / Then Monroe showed up.
Possibly the second super team in league history next to Celtics in the 60's.
All of the Knick's starters are in the Hall of fame.
Clyde Drexler I was speaking of.
Clyde is 53 and Reggie is 51.
They played in the same era and Clyde was better every season.

[Xiao Yao You]

Clyde Drexler I was speaking of.
Clyde is 53 and Reggie is 51.
They played in the same era and Clyde was better every season.

yeah no way Reggie is even close to Drexler :facepalm

[John8204]

You took all that time to create your own list just to have it be one of the worst lists on the internet :oldlol:

And I'm not exaggerating either. It's incredibly laughable just how putrid your list is

Wilt at 2
Mikan at 8
Shaq at 22??? What the actual **** are you smoking
Stockton over guys like Shaq, KG, D-Rob, and KD???

Never talk basketball again. You are genuinely so stupid.

You can make your own list...but you are not going to

Wilt, Mikan, and Stockton have all-time resumes...Shaq doesn't he has fanboys

George Mikan has 7 championships in 10 seasons and defined basketball...no Mikan no Jordan no Lebron no Bird no Durant. Mikan actually has a case as the GOAT.

Wilt is the only player with a 30PPG career average next to Jordan, he has multiple unbreakable records.

John Stockton is the best pure PG of all-time and crushed Shaq in the playoffs, his value over replacement is third behind Jordan and Lebron.

I will talk about basketball whenever I wish...why don't you actually start make your own list.

[SouBeachTalents]

It seems the one thing ISH can agree upon is that this dudes takes ^ are atrocious. You're entitled to your opinion, but it should tell you something when it's legitimately unanimous that everyone thinks your basketball takes are trash. I have never seen anyone agree with your rankings or opinions on anything.

[John8204]

The measure of a man is not how often he stands up but how often he stands alone. I keep hearing how dumb my takes are and yet not a single one of you has managed to put together your own lists. I put out the worst one so shouldn't it be easy for many of you to put together smart and better one. I made a long thread about my issues with Shaq and you ducked addressing them.

You can't really have a discussion when you are to scared to make your own list and your takes are "this is dumb" and "you are stupid". Why is it so hard for people like you to actually articulate your points. I can without insulting you why can't you do the same.

Or is that also a trash take.

[ShawkFactory]

It seems the one thing ISH can agree upon is that this dudes takes ^ are atrocious. You're entitled to your opinion, but it should tell you something when it's legitimately unanimous that everyone thinks your basketball takes are trash. I have never seen anyone agree with your rankings or opinions on anything.

I think he just has something against Shaq. Everything else he speaks about is generally fairly reasonable.

The Shaq takes of course are not.

[John8204]

I think he just has something against Shaq. Everything else he speaks about is generally fairly reasonable.

The Shaq takes of course are not.

yeah...I made a thread for people to make their case for the guy

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?510011-My-issues-with-Shaq-as-an-quot-all-time-quot-great

#1 - His rebounding numbers
#2 - His competition
#3 - He never averaged 30PPG in a season
#4 - He only has a single MVP
#5 - The Sacramento Kings Series
#6 - The Portland Trailblazers Series
#7 - His weight
#8 - His ego
#9 - His contemporaries....
#10 - The changing of the rules/build of teams....

He left a dynasty...I don't really respect guys that leave rings on the table. He also blew up t0 400lbs and never put up the dominate numbers that other greats were able to do.

[Lebron23]

I thought Bill Bradley was voted as one of the top 50 all time ... did not see him on the top 75 all time .. ???

He is more memorable as a Politician than an NBA player.

[ShawkFactory]

yeah...I made a thread for people to make their case for the guy

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?510011-My-issues-with-Shaq-as-an-quot-all-time-quot-great

#1 - His rebounding numbers
#2 - His competition
#3 - He never averaged 30PPG in a season
#4 - He only has a single MVP
#5 - The Sacramento Kings Series
#6 - The Portland Trailblazers Series
#7 - His weight
#8 - His ego
#9 - His contemporaries....
#10 - The changing of the rules/build of teams....

He left a dynasty...I don't really respect guys that leave rings on the table. He also blew up t0 400lbs and never put up the dominate numbers that other greats were able to do.

I saw the thread. Not helping the point people make about you clearly having something against him.

[Full Court]

My biggest takeaway from this


is that a team with FOUR players on the top 75 of ALL TIME list couldn't even make the play in last year. Who was the leader of that team?

[SaltyMeatballs]

Wilt, Mikan, and Stockton have all-time resumes...Shaq doesn't he has fanboys

Imagine how ridiculously stupid you have to be to believe Shaq doesn't have an all-time resume and that Stockton's resume is better than his :oldlol:

Peak Shaq is the most dominant center of all time you fool


John Stockton is the best pure PG of all-time and crushed Shaq in the playoffs, his value over replacement is third behind Jordan and Lebron

Lawd have mercy you are retarded

[SaltyMeatballs]

The measure of a man is not how often he stands up but how often he stands alone. I keep hearing how dumb my takes are and yet not a single one of you has managed to put together your own lists. I put out the worst one so shouldn't it be easy for many of you to put together smart and better one. I made a long thread about my issues with Shaq and you ducked addressing them.

You can't really have a discussion when you are to scared to make your own list and your takes are "this is dumb" and "you are stupid". Why is it so hard for people like you to actually articulate your points. I can without insulting you why can't you do the same.

Or is that also a trash take.

I don't have to make my own list to address the many flaws your list has. Most of your takes are just downright crazy with no added explanation. That's why everyone is calling you dumb

[ShawkFactory]

I don't have to make my own list to address the many flaws your list has. Most of your takes are just downright crazy with no added explanation. That's why everyone is calling you dumb

Yep. Here's 10 ridiculous things I'm going to say. Go through each of them one by one and prove them wrong or you LOSE.

Nah...I'm good.

[John8204]

I saw the thread. Not helping the point people make about you clearly having something against him.

Isn't the point of comparing players to have things for and against others. Who else didn't take care of their body like Shaq....who else left top level teams like Shaq....or failed to hit basic NBA all-time accomplishments. Nobody else has 75% of their rings tied to shady officiating. I'm not 3Ball making some sort of esoteric point about ball movement. I'm bringing up and judging Shaq by the same standards that I would for any other player.

I like to be objective and the arguments don't ever seem to support Shaq they seem to be more personal against me. If you are going to defend Shaq do so...if you are going to say you have a better list and mines dumb...post your own.

[John8204]

Peak Shaq is the most dominant center of all time you fool

Lawd have mercy you are retarded


I don't have to make my own list to address the many flaws your list has. Most of your takes are just downright crazy with no added explanation. That's why everyone is calling you dumb

https://www.landofbasketball.com/games_between/shaquille_oneal_vs_john_stockton.htm

Stockton was 8-1 against Shaq in the playoffs...if he was the most dominant big ever why did he get crushed by Stockton in games that mattered?

Why does it seem to be so hard for so many of you to defend Shaq?

[SaltyMeatballs]

https://www.landofbasketball.com/games_between/shaquille_oneal_vs_john_stockton.htm

Stockton was 8-1 against Shaq in the playoffs...if he was the most dominant big ever why did he get crushed by Stockton in games that mattered?

Why does it seem to be so hard for so many of you to defend Shaq?

So? How does that make Stockton more dominant than Shaq?? By your logic, Dennis Johnson was more dominant that Jordan because he's 6-0 against him in the playoffs.

Shaq's resume is light years better than Stockton's. It's not even remotely close.

[Lebron23]

Imagine how ridiculously stupid you have to be to believe Shaq doesn't have an all-time resume and that Stockton's resume is better than his :oldlol:

Peak Shaq is the most dominant center of all time you fool



Lawd have mercy you are retarded

Did he said that ring less Stockton was better than Shaq who's a 4x nba champion, 3x finals MVP???

[ShawkFactory]

Isn't the point of comparing players to have things for and against others. Who else didn't take care of their body like Shaq....who else left top level teams like Shaq....or failed to hit basic NBA all-time accomplishments. Nobody else has 75% of their rings tied to shady officiating. I'm not 3Ball making some sort of esoteric point about ball movement. I'm bringing up and judging Shaq by the same standards that I would for any other player.

I like to be objective and the arguments don't ever seem to support Shaq they seem to be more personal against me. If you are going to defend Shaq do so...if you are going to say you have a better list and mines dumb...post your own.

You said that Stockton has an all time resume and Shaq doesn't. And your reasons were:

- Stockton's team outperforming Shaq's for a couple years in the playoffs
- Purely an opinion that Stockton is the purest PG ever

I don't need a list :lol

[John8204]

So? How does that make Stockton more dominant than Shaq?? By your logic, Dennis Johnson was more dominant that Jordan because he's 6-0 against him in the playoffs.

Shaq's resume is light years better than Stockton's. It's not even remotely close.

I didn't say Stockton was more dominat...you said Shaq was the most dominant big of all-time. And yet he lost to this PG that you hate 8 out of 9 times. Stockton also didn't leave his team to play with three different MVP's at the end of his career. Stockton hung around and produced and competed with the same team for his career. Shaq is the most dominant big of all-time yet he couldn't win as a role player?

I don't know about Dennis Johnson but Larry Bird being 6-0 against the GOAT is a reason why I have him in the top five. I'm not putting Bird ahead of Jordan on a single metric but I'm also not basing an entire argument on hyperbole like you are.

[Xiao Yao You]

I didn't say Stockton was more dominat...you said Shaq was the most dominant big of all-time. And yet he lost to this PG that you hate 8 out of 9 times. Stockton also didn't leave his team to play with three different MVP's at the end of his career. Stockton hung around and produced and competed with the same team for his career. Shaq is the most dominant big of all-time yet he couldn't win as a role player?

I don't know about Dennis Johnson but Larry Bird being 6-0 against the GOAT is a reason why I have him in the top five. I'm not putting Bird ahead of Jordan on a single metric but I'm also not basing an entire argument on hyperbole like you are.

Stockton staying underpaid and not leaving is one of the two things I'd hold against him

[SaltyMeatballs]

I didn't say Stockton was more dominat...you said Shaq was the most dominant big of all-time. And yet he lost to this PG that you hate 8 out of 9 times. Stockton also didn't leave his team to play with three different MVP's at the end of his career. Stockton hung around and produced and competed with the same team for his career. Shaq is the most dominant big of all-time yet he couldn't win as a role player?

I don't know about Dennis Johnson but Larry Bird being 6-0 against the GOAT is a reason why I have him in the top five. I'm not putting Bird ahead of Jordan on a single metric but I'm also not basing an entire argument on hyperbole like you are.

Shaq was the dominant big of all time at his peak between 2000-2002. There's no question about that. When did I say I hate Stockton? You put him so high in your rankings over guys who are objectively greater than him and your reasoning behind doing that makes no sense at all. You're basing it off of head-to-head matchups and because he played with the same team his whole career. That's not really how rankings work.

Bird definitely has a case for top 5 but in no world does he have a case over Jordan just because he's 6-0 against him in the playoffs, and that was mainly because the Bulls weren't even close to being as good as the Celtics in the mid-80s.

[John8204]

You said that Stockton has an all time resume and Shaq doesn't. And your reasons were:

- Stockton's team outperforming Shaq's for a couple years in the playoffs
- Purely an opinion that Stockton is the purest PG ever

I don't need a list :lol

Okay so let's move on from head to head....even though this after Shaq was declared a top fifty player of all time.

Stockton led the NBA in major categories 14 times, Shaq did it 2 times. Stockton set the all-time record for Assists...Shaq didn't break 30 PPG. I think that matters when discuss point guards vs centers.

Also shouldn't the most dominant center of all-time lead the league in rebounds or blocks like once. Let's compare Shaq to the centers I rank ahead of him

Wilt Chamberlain 18 times
KAJ 7 times
Bill Russell 5 times
George Mikan 5 times (excluding BAA/NBL)
Moses Malone 6 times
Hakeem Olajuwon 5 times

[John8204]

Shaq was the dominant big of all time at his peak between 2000-2002.

And in that peak he needed 7 games to beat Pippens Trail blazers and Webbers Kings...in very dubious officiated games. If he was so dominant why only the one season without a tainted playoff series? Frankly I think Shaq was the better player in Orlando not in Los Angeles. The Magic just faced tougher competition.

[ShawkFactory]

Okay so let's move on from head to head....even though this after Shaq was declared a top fifty player of all time.

Stockton led the NBA in major categories 14 times, Shaq did it 2 times. Stockton set the all-time record for Assists...Shaq didn't break 30 PPG. I think that matters when discuss point guards vs centers.

Also shouldn't the most dominant center of all-time lead the league in rebounds or blocks like once. Let's compare Shaq to the centers I rank ahead of him

Wilt Chamberlain 18 times
KAJ 7 times
Bill Russell 5 times
George Mikan 5 times (excluding BAA/NBL)
Moses Malone 6 times
Hakeem Olajuwon 5 times

If you round up like you're supposed to then yes he did. He also had 29 twice and 28 twice after (making 30 awfully arbitrary), with the entirety of his peak being in the slowest-paced era the league has seen. His per 100 possession scoring numbers in his peak (94-04) are higher than Wilt's and significantly higher than Kareem's. The slow pace also affected the rebounds, as his per possession rebounding numbers are right on par with Kareem and Moses's. Both scoring and rebounding were higher than Hakeem.

He also has 2 scoring titles. Led the league in FG% 10 times, won an MVP and finished top 5 seven other times and top 3 in three other occasions.

That's without even mentioning the 4 titles and 3 FMVPs.

[John8204]

If you round up like you're supposed to then yes he did. He also had 29 twice and 28 twice after (making 30 awfully arbitrary), with the entirety of his peak being in the slowest-paced era the league has seen. His per 100 possession scoring numbers in his peak (94-04) are higher than Wilt's and significantly higher than Kareem's. The slow pace also affected the rebounds, as his per possession rebounding numbers are right on par with Kareem and Moses's. Both scoring and rebounding were higher than Hakeem.

He also has 2 scoring titles. Led the league in FG% 10 times, won an MVP and finished top 5 seven other times and top 3 in three other occasions.

That's without even mentioning the 4 titles and 3 FMVPs.

To me those numbers are more esoteric my preference is to look at the raw numbers and how they reflect contemporaries because every generation is different. He's got 4 titles and 3 MVP's but 3 of those titles are tainted and you remove those tainted titles and he has 1 FMVP and 1 Title.

I disagree with 30PPG being an arbitrary line...every year someone is going to win a scoring title...30 PPG doesn't happen every year. I believe 30 men have managed that feat...Shaq not being one of those 30 is an issue (to me). You might not agree with me on that...and that's fine.

But once again do the work and make your own lists. Because the issues always seem to be with peoples favorites with who they liked to watch play growing up.

[ShawkFactory]

To me those numbers are more esoteric my preference is to look at the raw numbers and how they reflect contemporaries because every generation is different. He's got 4 titles and 3 MVP's but 3 of those titles are tainted and you remove those tainted titles and he has 1 FMVP and 1 Title.

I disagree with 30PPG being an arbitrary line...every year someone is going to win a scoring title...30 PPG doesn't happen every year. I believe 30 men have managed that feat...Shaq not being one of those 30 is an issue (to me). You might not agree with me on that...and that's fine.

But once again do the work and make your own lists. Because the issues always seem to be with peoples favorites with who they liked to watch play growing up.

Okay...let’s just say you DO remove 3 titles. The 1 title and 1 FMVP is still one more than Stockton has of each...

You can choose to downgrade a player because he averaged 29.7 instead of 30 if you want to. But don’t act surprised when people call you silly for it.

[John8204]

Okay...let’s just say you DO remove 3 titles. The 1 title and 1 FMVP is still one more than Stockton has of each...

You can choose to downgrade a player because he averaged 29.7 instead of 30 if you want to. But don’t act surprised when people call you silly for it.

Which is very true but on a list of 76 players 16th vs 22nd is only a what 5% difference. Stockton not having a ring is an issue..it's why he's fourth for his position all-time behind three guys with rings. And I don't mind if people love Shaq...he was likely their favorite player growing up. I don't judge or hate people because they don't think the same way I do. But I do judge behavior and if you can't make arguement without relying on hyperbole or in this case refusing to do the project (ranking the 76 players)...what can I really take from this

[Phoenix]

Okay so let's move on from head to head....even though this after Shaq was declared a top fifty player of all time.

Stockton led the NBA in major categories 14 times, Shaq did it 2 times. Stockton set the all-time record for Assists...Shaq didn't break 30 PPG. I think that matters when discuss point guards vs centers.

Also shouldn't the most dominant center of all-time lead the league in rebounds or blocks like once. Let's compare Shaq to the centers I rank ahead of him

Wilt Chamberlain 18 times
KAJ 7 times
Bill Russell 5 times
George Mikan 5 times (excluding BAA/NBL)
Moses Malone 6 times
Hakeem Olajuwon 5 times

Shaq led the league in field goal percentage ten times.

[John8204]

Shaq led the league in field goal percentage ten times.

And I don't consider that a major statistic based upon the other guys that did that.

Shaq - 10
Wilt - 9
Deandre Jordan - 5
Artis Gilmore - 4
Rudy Gobert - 3
Neil Johnston - 3
Kevin McHale - 2
Ed McCauley - 2
Johnny Green - 2
Ken Sears - 2
Alex Goza - 2
Cedric Maxwell - 2
Buck Williams - 2
George Muresan - 2

Now let's look at Stockton and his assists class

Stockton - 9
Cousy - 8
Oscar - 6
Kidd - 5
Nash - 5
CPIII - 5
Magic - 4
Porter - 4
Westbrook - 3
Rondo - 3
Andy Phillip - 2

One metric you can use to define the position for rankings...the other one is just trivial.

What makes it even worse in my eyes is look at the guys that led the league in 3 point percentage
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Basketball_Association_annual_thr ee-point_field_goal_percentage_leaders

Not a single one of those guys is in the Hall of Fame or making the short list. So for me drawing a line between major and minor stats is looking at the other guys that did it. Because we are talking legacy here.

[Phoenix]

And I don't consider that a major statistic based upon the other guys that did that.

Shaq - 10
Wilt - 9
Deandre Jordan - 5
Artis Gilmore - 4
Rudy Gobert - 3
Neil Johnston - 3
Kevin McHale - 2
Ed McCauley - 2
Johnny Green - 2
Ken Sears - 2
Alex Goza - 2
Cedric Maxwell - 2
Buck Williams - 2
George Muresan - 2

Now let's look at Stockton and his assists class

Stockton - 9
Cousy - 8
Oscar - 6
Kidd - 5
Nash - 5
CPIII - 5
Magic - 4
Porter - 4
Westbrook - 3
Rondo - 3
Andy Phillip - 2

One metric you can use to define the position for rankings...the other one is just trivial.

What makes it even worse in my eyes is look at the guys that led the league in 3 point percentage
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Basketball_Association_annual_thr ee-point_field_goal_percentage_leaders

Not a single one of those guys is in the Hall of Fame or making the short list. So for me drawing a line between major and minor stats is looking at the other guys that did it. Because we are talking legacy here.

What you consider major based on your own arbirary criteria is irrelevant. You said Shaq only led the league in a stat category twice, which is factually incorrect. I reckon if another player had lead the league in field goal efficiency 10 times you'd deem it noteworthy, but you nitpick or trivialize what Shaq did like he fukked a close family member or something. There's a number of HOF players in that field goal leaders list you typed out.

[John8204]

What you consider major based on your own arbirary criteria is irrelevant. You said Shaq only led the league in a stat category twice, which is factually incorrect. I reckon if another player had lead the league in field goal efficiency 10 times you'd deem it noteworthy, but you nitpick or trivialize what Shaq did like he fukked a close family member or something. There's a number of HOF players in that field goal leaders list you typed out.

Well that's an opinion, I think you have to look at the stat you are citing and then equating the value to said stat. Leading the league in FG% is the sort of stat that like 3 of the top 30 players of all-time did. If you wish to use that FG% that's your decision but once again I don't see a list from you.

A number of "advanced" stats I simply don't buy into because they don't seem to translate into winning titles. Shaq and Wilt are the two guys that own that stat...so why were they also the worst free throw shooters?

What stats I consider major and minor I do so not because I don't personally like that player. I look at the other people in that class. When looking at that category 19 players achieved that goal and didn't make the Hall to 15 that did. Assists 12 players didn't make the Hall 15 did. 15 players on the assist list made the top 75 only 8 made it for FG%. These are not arbitrary reasons for why one is a better accomplishment than the other. Not a single player who led the league in annual 3 point FG% is in the Hall.

But let's test your opinion on your stat...which class of players is better

Walker Kessler
Nic Claxton
Mason Plumlee
Rudy Gobert
Clint Capela

or

James Harden
Tyrese Haliburton
Tre Young
Nikola Jokic
Chris Paul

[nayte]

I don't agree with all of John's list and reasonings but I give him credit for putting it out there and using his rational for his decisions.
Lot more then a lot of us do here

[Phoenix]

Well that's an opinion, I think you have to look at the stat you are citing and then equating the value to said stat. Leading the league in FG% is the sort of stat that like 3 of the top 30 players of all-time did. If you wish to use that FG% that's your decision but once again I don't see a list from you.



Really, I'm glad you mentioned this. Before you did I had no idea that we're all here expressing our own opinions. What isn't opinion is that Shaq led the league in a stat category 12 times, not 2 per your incorrect statement. And why it's important ( this is where opinion kicks in) is the volume he was producing at. Deandre Jordan was leading the league in % while averaging 12ppg. Shaq was doing it averaging 27-30ppg as the focal point of the offense. The difference between those two cases is obvious as is the value.

And, I don't really do lists. I have tiers. That's about as far as I really read your post.

[Manny98]

John8204 is trolling, his whole schtick is making really dumb basketball takes to rile people up

[Xiao Yao You]

John8204 is trolling, his whole schtick is making really dumb basketball takes to rile people up

sounds a lot like you :facepalm

[Manny98]

I'm not the one calling Rudy Gobert one of the best offensive players in the NBA

[Xiao Yao You]

I'm not the one calling Rudy Gobert one of the best offensive players in the NBA

he's been one of the most impactful. I'm not saying it the numbers are

[Manny98]

The numbers say he's a negative on offense but carry on

[Xiao Yao You]

The numbers say he's a negative on offense but carry on

over the past 9 years? Try again :facepalm

[kawhileonard2]

My biggest takeaway from this


is that a team with FOUR players on the top 75 of ALL TIME list couldn't even make the play in last year. Who was the leader of that team?

This! Should had even been 5 with Dwight.