Kyrie is proof that 3ball knows nothing about basketball

[AussieSteve]

He averages 27ppg but hardly moves the dial in terms of winning.

3ball only sees ppg. Hence he'll never understand that Pippen is better than Kyrie, or that LeBron might be the best and most important player on the court even if he has a team mate who scores more points.

[Wardell Curry]

Certain fans only see scoring and the aesthetics of the scoring(this is probably most), certain fans only read boxscores, and certain fans take a deep breath and try to use their minds to figure out what is happening on the court and why.

Tim Duncan, for a career, is probably the best player from the past two decades.

[Full Court]

The constant Bronie fluffer threads about 3ball is proof that they are shook. :lol

[Full Court]

Certain fans only see scoring and the aesthetics of the scoring(this is probably most), certain fans only read boxscores, and certain fans take a deep breath and try to use their minds to figure out what is happening on the court and why.

Tim Duncan, for a career, is probably the best player from the past two decades.

Agree.

[90sgoat]

That's not how it works.

Kyrie is an all time great in getting buckets. He can score against anyone at any time and he is one of the clutchest players ever as well.

What he is, is a very bad defender, so when you put him on a very bad defensive team, which already has scoring, then his impact will be less.

If you put him on a great defensive team, which already has a leader and star, then he flourishes. Dallas is just not the team for him as currently constructed.

[Xiao Yao You]

Brandon “Scoop B” Robinson: Li-Ning has eyed him for a while (http://twitter.com/GrantAfseth/status/1642706922179637248).

Mavericks superstar Kyrie Irving hinted at his plans to sign with a new signature shoe brand when asked if he plans to visit China in the near future.
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[ImKobe]

Mavs 3 - 1 with just Kyrie.. maybe Luka is the problem? mm

[Real Men Wear Green]

Mavs 3 - 1 with just Kyrie.. maybe Luka is the problem? mm

Yeah let's dump on the guy that lead us to the conference final now that we had a 3-1 random sampling.

One stupid thing that fans often do is blaming the best player when the team loses. Irving and Doncic aren't the solution when it comes to the defense issues but they're not the only guys out there defending badly. Dallas need a leader for the defense to change the whole culture. In fact they need a few defense first guys. Those guys would also work better with Doncic and/or Irving dominating the ball. Like what Philly did with Iverson.

[3ba11]

How am I wrong about Kyrie?

Kyrie played 12 of 14 games in the 2015 East playoffs, but the Cavs weren't competitive on the Finals level until Kyrie made them champs in 2016 - so he was the difference maker between 15' and 16' - that's literally the historical record.

And the 2018 Celtics started the season 20-2 or something - they were literally the best team in the league with Kyrie until Hayward returned in 2019, which cratered Tatum/Brown - again, this is the historical record.. And the 2021 Nets were going to destroy Giannis until Kyrie got hurt.

So Kyrie has always been the difference-maker at every step of his career.. The only reason Luka's Mavs aren't a contender like Lebron's Cavs is because they don't have the 3-star super-team and All-NBA power forward that Lebron and Kyrie had in Cleveland.. Love was basically Luka before Luka, aka dominating on a .500 team in the West as a slow, offensive savant.

[ImKobe]

Yeah let's dump on the guy that lead us to the conference final now that we had a 3-1 random sampling.

One stupid thing that fans often do is blaming the best player when the team loses. Irving and Doncic aren't the solution when it comes to the defense issues but they're not the only guys out there defending badly. Dallas need a leader for the defense to change the whole culture. In fact they need a few defense first guys. Those guys would also work better with Doncic and/or Irving dominating the ball. Like what Philly did with Iverson.

Not just them. C.Wood was supposed to be a great addition for them offensively but their defense with all 3 of those guys on the floor is all-time bad level to the point where Wood is unplayable for like half the game. Kyrie, Wood & Luka on the floor have a -22.8 Net Rating and are allowing 132 points per 100 possessions. They have a positive Net Rating when it's just one of the two with Wood but it's not that great either. They went bust with the FA signings and lost an All-Star level player for nothing. You can't blame Kyrie for that but people online don't care about the facts, they're putting it ALL on him.

[AussieSteve]

How am I wrong about Kyrie?

Kyrie played 12 of 14 games in the 2015 East playoffs, but the Cavs weren't competitive on the Finals level until Kyrie made them champs in 2016 - so he was the difference maker between 15' and 16' - that's literally the historical record.

And the 2018 Celtics started the season 20-2 or something - they were literally the best team in the league with Kyrie until Hayward returned in 2019, which cratered Tatum/Brown - again, this is the historical record.. And the 2021 Nets were going to destroy Giannis until Kyrie got hurt.

So Kyrie has always been the difference-maker at every step of his career.. The only reason Luka's Mavs aren't a contender like Lebron's Cavs is because they don't have the 3-star super-team and All-NBA power forward that Lebron and Kyrie had in Cleveland.. Love was basically Luka before Luka, aka dominating on a .500 team in the West as a slow, offensive savant.

I didn't say he doesn't move the dial. I said he hardly moves the dial. There are clearly many past and present players who score far less, but move the dial far more.

[AussieSteve]

The constant Bronie fluffer threads about 3ball is proof that they are shook. :lol

I'm actually no Bronie fluffer. In truth I'm a Barkley stan who maintains to this day that no one in Barkley's place would have beaten Jordan and Pippen in the 90 or 91 playoffs, nor (sans a very small number of players) the 93 Finals.

[3ba11]

I didn't say he doesn't move the dial. I said he hardly moves the dial. There are clearly many past and present players who score far less, but move the dial far more.


1st options move the dial more than 2nd options like Pippen.

Specifically, Lebron needed an equal-scoring sidekick and 1st option production from his sidekick in the 2016 Finals, which a secondary producer like Pippen can't provide.

Lebron also needed teammates to outscore him to make the 2020 Finals or 2011 Finals, so all of Lebron's sidekicks were capable of elite 1st option production.. Again, Pippen can't provide that.

By definition of being a passer, guys like Magic and Lebron need great scorers to pass to, while their drive-heavy game needs great spacing, so Pippen cannot provide the scoring or spacing help that Magic, Lebron, Luka, Lillard, Harden, SGA or any of today's ball-handlers need.

In addition to being a bad fit for ball-dominators, Pippen told Rachel Nichols that he can't provide the spacing that centers like Hakeem need and compared himself to a bad Westbrick fit (here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmBbmIE_Kxc&t=114s)).. Accordingly, only the GOAT scorer could win with the biggest bricklayer/lane-clogger in playoff history - Pippen is infact the biggest lane-clogger in playoff history because he had the lowest efficiency ever for a playoff run of 15 games and 35 MPG - he did this twice - stats here (https://i.ibb.co/qBBHvB1/chrome-d-EXe-R4x-E8t.jpg)).

[And1AllDay]

3baLLLLLLL has been lower iq for years

[3ba11]

1st options move the dial more than 2nd options like Pippen.

Specifically, Lebron needed an equal-scoring sidekick and 1st option production from his sidekick in the 2016 Finals, which a secondary producer like Pippen can't provide.

Lebron also needed teammates to outscore him to make the 2020 Finals or 2011 Finals, so all of Lebron's sidekicks were capable of elite 1st option production.. Again, Pippen can't provide that.

By definition of being a passer, guys like Magic and Lebron need great scorers to pass to, while their drive-heavy game needs great spacing, so Pippen cannot provide the scoring or spacing help that Magic, Lebron, Luka, Lillard, Harden, SGA or any of today's ball-handlers need.

In addition to being a bad fit for ball-dominators, Pippen told Rachel Nichols that he can't provide the spacing that centers like Hakeem need and compared himself to a bad Westbrick fit (here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmBbmIE_Kxc&t=114s)).. Accordingly, only the GOAT scorer could win with the biggest bricklayer/lane-clogger in playoff history - Pippen is infact the biggest lane-clogger in playoff history because he had the lowest efficiency ever for a playoff run of 15 games and 35 MPG - he did this twice - stats here (https://i.ibb.co/qBBHvB1/chrome-d-EXe-R4x-E8t.jpg)).


Let the record show that the Aussie had no response for Lebron needing elite scoring and 1st option production from his sidekick to make the 2016, 2020 and 2011 Finals, which a secondary producers like Pippen can't provide.. Ball-dominators and passers like Magic/Lebron need great scorers to pass to and spacing, both of which a secondary producer and all-time lane-clogger like Pippen can't provide

[LeGoat4Life]

Based on OP argument that means Lebron hardly moves in terms of winning

Lakers was losing and constantly under .500 the whole year while stats padding

Once he announced his fake injury, the Lakers kept winning and put themselves back in the playoff pic

No AD No Playoffs

Healthy Lebron lead the lakers to 33 wins during his first year

[3ba11]

Based on OP argument that means Lebron hardly moves in terms of winning

Lakers was losing and constantly under .500 the whole year while stats padding

Once he announced his fake injury, the Lakers kept winning and put themselves back in the playoff pic

No AD No Playoffs

Healthy Lebron lead the lakers to 33 wins during his first year

Exactly - the Lakers fought into playoff contention when Lebron was OUT, yet he will get all the credit for a title despite being the 2nd option - only Lebron gets credit for title's as 2bd option like 2020 and 2023 when AD led statistically all year

[Soundwave]

Kyrie is just a weird player, it depends on where his mind set is at, he can be the best offensive player on the court even against other elite players, but I don't think his head is always in it.

It's not like Jordan didn't have unreliable teammates at times either though. I don't think LeBron would be able to deal with Rodman's shit (really no one could, not DRobinson + Popovich, not Shaq + Kobe, Jordan is the only guy he respected enough to be kept in line some what and even then it was barely workable, dude just taking off to do WWF wrestling gigs in the middle of the NBA playoffs, lol) and Pippen in 89 and 90 seriously let the Bulls down big time with complete no-shows in the Pistons match ups in games 6/7 in those series', they could have beat the Pistons a lot earlier if Pippen did just completely vanish as those series' went on and left Jordan on an island by himself.

Then of course Scottie throwing a fit at Phil Jackson and refusing to go into a game and then getting into a feud with Barkley in Houston, refusing to get surgery out of spite, asking to be traded multiple times from the Bulls ... Pippen had maturity issues too, Jordan being there just allowed those to be glossed over.

If social media was a thing like circa '89-94 ... oh man would Pippen have been totally roasted for doing shit like that.

[dankok8]

He knows nothing about basketball but on the other side most Lebron stans also know nothing about basketball.

Most of the GOAT debates on this forum are between groups of fans who are collectively dumber than a pile of rocks.

[3ba11]

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[BigKobeFan]

OP is an idiot.

[tpols]

Massive backfire.

[Naero]

I'm sure you can find many other bump-worthy anti-Kyrie threads from the past-two years. I remember all the knee-jerk reactions to his first-round flameout with the Nets and his initial struggles on this Mavs team. People will pounce on any down year and try to use it to define a player's career as if there aren't a multitude of other possible circumstances they could have done better under.

[ImKobe]

He averages 27ppg but hardly moves the dial in terms of winning.

3ball only sees ppg. Hence he'll never understand that Pippen is better than Kyrie, or that LeBron might be the best and most important player on the court even if he has a team mate who scores more points.

https://media.tenor.com/VgJUpnxhrPEAAAAM/idiot-sandwich-gordon-ramsay.gif

[AlternativeAcc.]

I'm sure you can find many other bump-worthy anti-Kyrie threads from the past-two years. I remember all the knee-jerk reactions to his first-round flameout with the Nets and his initial struggles on this Mavs team. People will pounce on any down year and try to use it to define a player's career as if there aren't a multitude of other possible circumstances they could have done better under.

But what has he done outside of "winning" with peak LeBron (1 season) and making the finals with Luka who had a 34/10/9 season?


I mean seriously. Before LeBron came to Cleveland, Irving-led Cavs had an atrocious record. Boston was fine without him when injured and have now made multiple finals since his departure.

He's played with nothing but top-15 all-time caliber superstars for the past several years and he's getting praised like he's the grand difference maker? :oldlol:

Jesus christ. You people are silly.