Mavs may do a late season tank.

[Kblaze8855]

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[Xiao Yao You]

weak

[Real Men Wear Green]

Whoever the GM is or whoever made the GM make these moves that have lead them to this should be fired yesterday. I wouldn't let this person make another decision of any kind. Whole wheat or white? No don't answer just shut up and get out.

[DMAVS41]

Whoever the GM is or whoever made the GM make these moves that have lead them to this should be fired yesterday. I wouldn't let this person make another decision of any kind. Whole wheat or white? No don't answer just shut up and get out.

It was Cuban.

Losing out needs to happen.

[Kblaze8855]

Imagine how hard the rest of the team would play with that tactic. If there isn’t some kind of behind-the-scenes understanding reached, you know those role players will want to ruin that plan and win every game they could.

[L.Kizzle]

I mean, they're not making the play-in. It's obvious.
They may actually start to win when the sit out tho.

[highwhey]

:roll: wtf


luka needs to accept his faith and come on down to phoenix

[Xiao Yao You]

:roll: wtf


luka needs to accept his faith and come on down to phoenix

have fun with Kyrie

[highwhey]

have fun with kyrie

stop.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Imagine how hard the rest of the team would play with that tactic. If there isn’t some kind of behind-the-scenes understanding reached, you know those role players will want to ruin that plan and win every game they could.
A roleplayer shoulf never cooperate with tanking. You are basically putting losing basketball on film for teams that are considering signing you after the team drafts your replacement.

[90sgoat]

Whoever the GM is or whoever made the GM make these moves that have lead them to this should be fired yesterday. I wouldn't let this person make another decision of any kind. Whole wheat or white? No don't answer just shut up and get out.

The buck ends with Cuban who hired a shoe salesman as GM and before that had a defacto gambler as his GM.

Cuban is a moron, it's just that he isn't racist, so he understands that white players are undervalued, which makes him seem smart.

[Xiao Yao You]

stop.

:lol

[ImKobe]

I think they should tank at this point. They're only .5 games behind Utah in the tankathon and getting the 9th spot in the lottery would give them a 20% chance at a top 4 pick. It's not like Luka & Kyrie are completely healthy either.

[ArbitraryWater]

No chance.

OKC is gonna lose to GSW tomorrow, if Mavs beat Kings at home, theyre tied.

If you dont win that game, throw in the towel. But they have to try. Kings will be on a b2b also.

[Kblaze8855]

Mavs Exec?

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[RRR3]

Mavs Exec?

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Honestly shocked at how few teams tanked considering this guy is supposed to be the best prospect since LeBron. Shortsighted idiotic frontoffices overly concerned with making the playin :lol

[Xiao Yao You]

Mavs Exec?

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odds aren't that much greater for the worst teams

[tontoz]

When has tanking actually worked and led to a title? Off the top of my head I have to go back to the Spurs drafting Duncan, and that was due to Drob being hurt.

[RRR3]

When has tanking actually worked? Off the top of my head I have to go back to the Spurs drafting Duncan, and that was due to Drob being hurt.
:wtf:

Most teams that get superstars draft them early, which means they had terrible records. Happens all the time. Tanking is how bad teams improve, which is why Silver sucks for making it harder.

[Axe]

When has tanking actually worked and led to a title? Off the top of my head I have to go back to the Spurs drafting Duncan, and that was due to Drob being hurt.
Warriors tanked during the covid-plagued 2019/20 disney bubble season after kd left and were still able to obtain 2020 2nd overall pick in james wiseman if i'm not mistaken. Then last year the warriors won the title.

[tontoz]

Warriors tanked during the covid-plagued 2019/20 disney bubble season after kd left and were still able to obtain 2020 2nd overall pick in james wiseman if i'm not mistaken.

That didn't lead to a title:facepalm

Wiseman didn't even play in the playoffs. In fact that was a case where tanking didn't work, assuming they were tanking. Wiseman was useless.

[Dbrog]

When has tanking actually worked and led to a title? Off the top of my head I have to go back to the Spurs drafting Duncan, and that was due to Drob being hurt.

Cavs tanked multiple years after Bron left which gave them multiple high picks (they also sucked but were still definitely tanking) which ultimately resulted in Kyrie. Similar to your Spurs reference, it took something abnormal to happen for them to win a Title again (Bron coming back without having to give basically anything away)

[Axe]

That didn't lead to a title:facepalm

Wiseman didn't even play in the playoffs. In fact that was a case where tanking didn't work, assuming they were tanking. Wiseman was useless.
Obviously he was injured, uncle. But that didn't stop them from winning the title last year. :oldlol:

[tontoz]

Cavs tanked multiple years after Bron left which gave them multiple high picks (they also sucked but were still definitely tanking) which ultimately resulted in Kyrie. Similar to your Spurs reference, it took something abnormal to happen for them to win a Title again (Bron coming back without having to give basically anything away)


No it didn't. The pick used on Kyrie was obtained via trade with the clippers. The clippers wanted to get rid of Baron Davis and his awful contract so the Cavs took their unprotected pick. Vintage clippers.

[tontoz]

Obviously he was injured, uncle. But that didn't stop them from winning the title last year. :oldlol:

Wiseman was irrelevant to the title. Iggy was more important to the title than wiseman :oldlol:

[Axe]

Wiseman was irrelevant to the title. Iggy was more important to the title than wiseman :oldlol:
Lol, the lucky charm of the team. Who would have thought. :yaohappy:

[Dbrog]

No it didn't. The pick used on Kyrie was obtained via trade with the clippers. The clippers wanted to get rid of Baron Davis and his awful contract so the Cavs took their unprotected pick. Vintage clippers.

They had 19 wins my man. It's also very strange that you are saying people's examples don't count even when they are trying to prove YOUR point :lol

The self hate is real....

[tontoz]

They had 19 wins my man. It's also very strange that you are saying people's examples don't count even when they are trying to prove YOUR point :lol

The self hate is real....

Ever heard of Google?


That pick belonged to the Clippers, who sent Baron Davis (Donald Sterling's least favorite player) & the first round pick to Cleveland in exchange for Mo Williams and Jamario Moon.





https://ballislife.com/cavs-kyrie-irving-draft/#:~:text=That%20pick%20belonged%20to%20the,Mo%20Wi lliams%20and%20Jamario%20Moon.

[RRR3]

You have to be willfully ignorant to think tanking doesn't work. Tontoz sounding like he works for Silver.

[Kblaze8855]

I think the Cavs own pick from that year after Lebron was Tristian. I know Kyrie came from the Clippers trade.

[tontoz]

You have to be willfully ignorant to think tanking doesn't work. Tontoz sounding like he works for Silver.

Look at recent title teams. None of them were created through tanking. They were created through good management .

The only real exception was the Cavs ring, which was just a case of LeBron wanting to go back to his hometown. I was shocked he went back after Gilbert went off on LeBron. One of the most embarrassing meltdowns I've ever seen.

[tontoz]

I think the Cavs own pick from that year after Lebron was Tristian. I know Kyrie came from the Clippers trade.

Funny part was even after that draft they continued to be the worst team in the league until LeBron came back

[RRR3]

Look at recent title teams. None of them were created through tanking. They were created through good management .

The only real exception was the Cavs ring, which was just a case of LeBron wanting to go back to his hometown. I was shocked he went back after Gilbert went off on LeBron. One of the most embarrassing meltdowns I've ever seen.
Except the Warriors were able to draft Curry because they tanked. 4 rings later, I'd say it worked pretty well. The Cavs also drafted LeBron because they tanked. LeBron didn't win his first go round there but he still came back and won so it counts IMO.

[Kblaze8855]

Yeah, they won the lottery themselves and took Bennett who is such a huge bust we all forget he even existed to put him on a list of busts. We think of people like Kwame Brown and Darko who just didn’t pan out. That mother****er redefined the word. Michael Olowokandi looks down on him. By a lot.

[tontoz]

Except the Warriors were able to draft Curry because they tanked. 4 rings later, I'd say it worked pretty well. The Cavs also drafted LeBron because they tanked. LeBron didn't win his first go round there but he still came back and won so it counts IMO.


:facepalm


Warriors got the pick they used on Steph via trade with....


.....wait for it.....








THE F'IN WIZARDS. :cry::cry::cry:

And no LeBron going back to his hometown as a free agent doesn't count.

[Axe]

:facepalm


Warriors got the pick they used on Steph via trade with....


.....wait for it.....








THE F'IN WIZARDS. :cry::cry::cry:
Oh i see. Now your stanning makes a lot of sense now, uncle. Lol. :lol

[HylianNightmare]

Lel

[tontoz]

Yeah, they won the lottery themselves and took Bennett who is such a huge bust we all forget he even existed to put him on a list of busts. We think of people like Kwame Brown and Darko who just didn’t pan out. That mother****er redefined the word. Michael Olowokandi looks down on him. By a lot.


Yeah I think everyone following that draft was shocked at the Bennett pick. Epic failure.

[Axe]

Also notice what you said about how tanking worked with recent title teams but that part obviously got overlooked. :roll:

[tontoz]

Also notice what you said about how tanking worked with recent title teams but that part obviously got overlooked. :roll:


Drafting a player who doesn't play doesn't lead to a title. The warriors won a title in spite of wiseman, not because of him.

Tanking didn't help them at all

[Axe]

Drafting a player who doesn't play doesn't lead to a title. The warriors won a title in spite of wiseman, not because of him.

Tanking didn't help them at all
Yes but was referring to a different thing that got said earlier not necessarily by you. Tho just imagine if they drafted edwards instead. Would have been an outstanding pick over him.

[RRR3]

Drafting a player who doesn't play doesn't lead to a title. The warriors won a title in spite of wiseman, not because of him.

Tanking didn't help them at all
Tanking doesn't have to lead to a title to have worked. It just has to result in a star player. Which it has many times. Maybe if the Wizards tanked this year they could have got Wemby.

[tontoz]

Tanking doesn't have to lead to a title to have worked. It just has to result in a star player. Which it has many times. Maybe if the Wizards tanked this year they could have got Wemby.


Sure you can get a star player through tanking. Maybe. But winning a title typically requires good management.

Philly was the poster team for tanking. They got a bunch of top picks. How did that work out for them?

The only rings in recent memory that were won without good management were LeBron's rings with the Cavs and lakers.i can't think of another one going back to the 80s.

[tontoz]

Yes but was referring to a different thing that got said earlier not necessarily by you. Tho just imagine if they drafted edwards instead. Would have been an outstanding pick over him.


They didn't have the.chance to draft Edwards who was taken at 1. They did have the.chance to draft LaMelo who surely would have fit in well.

[Kblaze8855]

Philly has been around for like 75 years and other than with Dr. J I don’t think they’ve been good five years in a row outside this run following the so-called process. Really ****ed up not taking Tatum but they gave themselves a chance.

[tontoz]

Philly has been around for like 75 years and other than with Dr. J I don’t think they’ve been good five years in a row outside this run following the so-called process. Really ****ed up not taking Tatum but they gave themselves a chance.


They f'd up many times. They picked okafor at 3 ahead of porzingis. They drafted Mikal Bridges then traded him away. They let Jimmy Butler walk and paid up for Harris.

I am sure I am forgetting some things. basically all those years of tanking got them embiid and not much else. Granted Embiid is MVP caliber but they squandered a lot of assets

[imdaman99]

Not good news as a Knicks fan. Knicks own their pick but it's top 10 protected... so I already know the higher ups are gonna F the Knicks over. Looking at you skeletor silver. It's even more obvious because he needs the Mavericks to be good next year since they have one of his biggest money makers and the other guy is their most popular player among the youth.

[baudkarma]

Mavs have the slight advantage in that they don't play again until Wednesday. OKC and Minny will both play on Tuesday. By the time the ball goes up for the Mavs, they'll have a much better indicator of what their odds of making the playoffs are.

[Nike D'Antoni]

Crazy

[Axe]

Cuban better hope for the best.

[DMAVS41]

They f'd up many times. They picked okafor at 3 ahead of porzingis. They drafted Mikal Bridges then traded him away. They let Jimmy Butler walk and paid up for Harris.

I am sure I am forgetting some things. basically all those years of tanking got them embiid and not much else. Granted Embiid is MVP caliber but they squandered a lot of assets

I will never understand the Mikal Bridges thing. I mean, I get that they were higher on Smith and got an extra first round of it...but Bridges was literally exactly what they needed and exactly what the league was valuing at the time.

Even forgetting all the other stuff...Bridges on that team changes so much.

[fourkicks44]

I will never understand the Mikal Bridges thing. I mean, I get that they were higher on Smith and got an extra first round of it...but Bridges was literally exactly what they needed and exactly what the league was valuing at the time.

Even forgetting all the other stuff...Bridges on that team changes so much.

The 76ers had no GM at the time.

Brian Colangelo had only just been fired after the twitter scandal.

Josh Harris apointed Brett Brown interim GM for the draft and over the Summer untill they could sort the mess out.

Brown is a coach and not a GM obviously, so if there is anyone to blame it is probably him. It does seem obvious to draft Bridges for his fit with the team, however the logic was there. Swap two first round picks for one.

Zhaire Smith was a project player but NOBODY could have predicted what was going to happen to him. Out of all the wierd shit that happened to the team around that time, the allegy incident is possibly the strangest and most unfortunate.

I think it has been understated how close the kid was to death. If that didn't happen who knows how good he could have been.

[DMAVS41]

The 76ers had no GM at the time.

Brian Colangelo had only just been fired after the twitter scandal.

Josh Harris apointed Brett Brown interim GM for the draft and over the Summer untill they could sort the mess out.

Brown is a coach and not a GM obviously, so if there is anyone to blame it is probably him. It does seem obvious to draft Bridges for his fit with the team, however the logic was there. Swap two first round picks for one.

Zhaire Smith was a project player but NOBODY could have predicted what was going to happen to him. Out of all the wierd shit that happened to the team around that time, the allegy incident is possibly the strangest and most unfortunate.

I think it has been understated how close the kid was to death. If that didn't happen who knows how good he could have been.

Right...that was what I was getting at. I get the logic, on paper, but in reality you have a chance to draft a hometown kid that provides exactly what you need. Given the horrible EV of most first round picks future picks outside the top picks....it is one of the decisions that sounds good in practice, but in reality just didn't make sense even at the time. Not with the team they had.

Again though...I get it. They liked Smith probably just as much...maybe he had higher upside...and an extra pick. Of course I get that part...they were just wrong unfortunately and is just a self-own.

A much worse self-own, however, was the Mavericks refusing to give Brunson the contract he wanted the year before his free agency. The Mavs should have known his potential more than anybody...and that decision ****ed a team that could be contending for a title this year and many years to come.