Michael Jordan fear the zone defense

[Lebron23]

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And A young Ron Artest shut him down before MJ's knee injury


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ww8Ymvpp3mg

[kawhileonard2]

Would have been much better is what he is saying.

[Lebron23]

Would have been much better is what he is saying.

Huh?? Michael Jordan averaged 21.2 ppg on 43.6 FG% on 25 field goal attempts per game when the NBA made zone defense legal at the start of the 2001-02 season.

[kawhileonard2]

Huh?? Michael Jordan averaged 21.2 ppg on 43.6 FG% on 25 field goal attempts per game when the NBA made zone defense legal at the start of the 2001-02 season.

Would have averaged 80 ppg in his prime against it.

[Lebron23]

Would have averaged 80 ppg in his prime against it.

Don't think so. You can read this article.

https://images2.minutemediacdn.com/image/upload/c_fill,w_1080,ar_16:9,f_auto,q_auto,g_auto/shape%2Fcover%2Fsport%2FMichael-Jordan-23-17c2529dfef8e4b6c5a38d5fef9cbceb.jpg


Even Michael Jordan Thought Michael Jordan Would Struggle Against Modern Zone Defense.


Some take that opinion so seriously that they believe Jordan would have destroyed everyone in this era in a way that made defenders in the 80's and 90's look effective.

One person who did not believe that was Michael Jordan, who worried about star players being hampered by defensive rule changes back around the turn of the century. Via the Chicago Tribune:


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"Jordan was making an impassioned plea before the competition committee that had gathered to consider rules changes to enliven the NBA game. Jordan spoke passionately. If teams were able to play zone defenses, he said, he never would have had the career he did."

So it's completely fair if you want to project players stats from different eras into the modern game, just know that Jordan thought zone defense would have hurt his statistics instead of help them. So it's unlikely that Jordan would score 47.5 points per game. He'd probably have more assists per game and his numbers might start to look a little more like the guy leading the NBA in assists this season.


This column is also a good reminder that fear of change is one of the things that never changes. There was concern that Kobe Bryant would suffer too.

" Opponents say scores will plummet further and the individual stars of the game, such as Vince Carter and Kobe Bryant, will be neutralized. And that was Jordan's argument: He believed that allowing any defense, or a zone, enables teams to gang up on the star. Gone will be the highlight-show moves and plays, the ESPN-ization of the game that others contend has been detrimental to sound play."

Vince would continue to be a 20+ ppg scorer for eight more seasons. Kobe would average 25 or more in 11 of the next 12 seasons and scored the fourth most points in NBA history. "Highlight-show moves" were very much a part of his career and ESPN is still happy to broadcast them.

[Spurs m8]

Imagine MJ in today's league averaging 50-60ppg

God this league is pathetic...its not even sport...

It's primadonnas dancing on a basketball court

[BigShotBob]

He's talking about zone defense without defensive 3 seconds that's the real zone

NBA added defensive 3 seconds

Learn basketball

[kawhileonard2]

Need an answer on each thread below.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?489748-When-KD-and-Lebron-go-head-to-head
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=459570

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495113-Vassilis-Spanoulis-Giannis-Antetokounmpo-s-And-Luka-Doncic-s-Idol-Retired
https://www.espn.com/olympics/wbc2006/news/story?id=2568543

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495940-Lebron-with-Shaq-2nd-round-exit-Giannis-with-Middleton-a-Title

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495955-Giannis-just-blasted-those-who-join-super-teams-in-post-conference-interview

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?493982-Devin-Booker-Vs-Lebron-James-who-is-better-currently

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496095-Devin-Booker-put-up-47-his-playoff-career-high-on-Lebron

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496253-Lebron-won-2-bronze-medals-for-the-United-States-of-America-How

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496256-Lebron-with-Tim-Duncan-Bronze-Medal-in-Olympics-Vince-with-KG-Gold-Medal

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496255-Lebron-with-Carlos-Boozer-No-Playoffs-Deron-Williams-with-Carlos-Boozer-WCF

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496549-Lebron-stacking-the-deck-in-2022-because-he-is-afraid-of-Devin-Booker

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?492941-1-Title-in-11-Years-for-the-Franchise-that-you-originally-played-for


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496831-times-when-each-top-10-player-all-time-Lost-when-they-were-expected-to-win

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?486706-Rob-Parker-LeBron-is-the-FFOAT

Record against teams with an SRS of 5.0 or higher.
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?497187-Record-against-teams-with-an-SRS-of-5-0-or-higher

Not 3, not 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 or Playoff Mode Activated or A Storm is Coming
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?494319-Not-3-not-4-5-6-7-8-or-Playoff-Mode-Activated-or-A-Storm-is-Coming/page2


Playoff Mode: ACTIVATED
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?473762-Playoff-Mode-ACTIVATED

Lowest Scoring Supporting Cast Overall Playoffs
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?463869-Lowest-Scoring-Supporting-Cast-Overall-Playoffs/page3


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?499837-Greatest-floor-raise-of-all-time/page2
Lebron played with Shaq who won league mvp and 3 finals mvp's and lost in round 2. Lebron played with Peak Duncan who had won 2 league mvp's and 3 finals mvp's and won bronze medal. Lebron played with Peak Wade who won finals mvp and got outplayed by Jason Terry. Lebron played with Derrick Rose who won mvp under age 30 which was the same as Kevin Durant who won mvp under 30 while both were on Golden State and Cleveland. Lebron played with mulitple PER leaders as well and now Russell Westbrook a league mvp winner and more triple doubles than Oscar Robertson. Yet despite all of that Lebron lost with all of them.


Jarrett Allen vs Gobert and Jarrett Allen vs Lebron
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?499786-Jarrett-Allen-vs-Gobert-and-Jarrett-Allen-vs-Lebron

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500431-Lakers-were-1-in-Preseason-Odds-in-2021-and-Suns-were-14
Was #1 in Preseason odds and lost to a 14th seed in odds

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2021_preseason_odds.html

And Devin Booker walked them down in the playoffs with Devin outplaying Lebron. :confusedshrug:


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500416-Why-did-Pelinka-surround-Lebron-with-a-bullshit-roster
He has peak Anthony Davis, the best player on the 2020 squad and the reason the Lakers did anything as the 2019 Lakers missed the playoffs and 2021 Lakers lost in round 1 when AD wasn't around. He has Prime Melo who won a scoring title and all time leader in scoring for the Olympics. He has Dwight Howard a 3x DPOY and a guy who beat Lebron without HCA. He has Westbrook who is the modern day Oscar Robertson and also won league mvp along with average a Triple Double 4 years in a row. He also has Rondo who is a hall of famer.

Why didn't he play it against Dwight Howard in 2009 when Dwight was dominating http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?459570-How-is-it-even-possible-to-lose-to-Dwight-Howard-in-a-series-with-HCA/page10? Or against Duncan or KG or Dirk? Why did he run away from KD a guy at his position?
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?489748-When-KD-and-Lebron-go-head-to-head

Why didn't he do **** against Booker in the playoffs as well?

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496095-Devin-Booker-put-up-47-his-playoff-career-high-on-Lebron


Devin Booker broke Lebron
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500264-Devin-Booker-broke-Lebron&p=14500724


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?503966-3ball-why-can-LeBron-win-with-Irving-but-KD-can-t&p=14584482#post14584482

Lebron won bronze medal twice and lost with HCA 3x. Jordan only won gold medal and never lost with HCA. Prove me wrong!

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500440-Russell-Westbrook-leading-the-league-in-Triple-Doubles-Thus-far-in-2022-Season
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/triple-double-leaders-2021-2022-stats

Expected Championships Won and Titles Over Expected
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500379-Expected-Championships-Won-and-Titles-Over-Expected/page3&p=14503600


How did LeBron go 10-16 vs Kawhi? 7-12 vs Shaq? 17-23 vs Curry?
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500334-How-did-LeBron-go-10-16-vs-Kawhi-7-12-vs-Shaq-17-23-vs-Curry

Top 50 All-Time List - Shot Clock Era = #1
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?497028-Top-50-All-Time-List-Shot-Clock-Era-1&p=14426360&viewfull=1#post14426360


Difference between Lebron and Tmac?
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?494830-Difference-between-Lebron-and-Tmac
Both 0-2 with HCA against 50+ win teams until they joined forces with someone who won as the man. Also won bronze medals.

Tmac lost to Utah in 2007 while Lebron was losing to a career loser in Dwight Howard and also Carlos Arroyo in the Olympics with peak Tim Duncan on his squad despite playing more minutes than Hakeem even played on the 1996 Olympic team.



LeBron's message that makes the NBA shake: A storm is coming
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500734-LeBron-s-message-that-makes-the-NBA-shake-A-storm-is-coming

https://www.marca.com/en/more-sports/2021/04/09/6070b833ca47418e588b45e9.html


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?480740-Vasileios-Spanoulis-gt-gt-gt-Lebron-James
Outplayed Lebron in FIBA and caused America to get another bronze medal and then Greece got spanked in Gold medal final.:oldlol:

http://archive.fiba.com/pages/eng/fa/game/p/gid/A/grid/75/rid/5152/sid/3507/_/2006_FIBA_World_Championship/statistic.html


First Time Ever a team with 2 guys who won MVP missed the playoffs
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?503543-First-Time-Ever-a-team-with-2-guys-who-won-MVP-missed-the-playoffs


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?503981-Why-does-Lebron-have-2-bronze-medals-while-KD-only-has-gold-medals&p=14584371#post14584371

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[BigShotBob]

https://basketnews.com/news-168319-luka-doncic-explained-why-its-easier-to-score-in-the-nba-than-in-euroleague.html

Luka says that it's easier to score in the NBA

[kawhileonard2]

Show me the guys before 2000 who won league mvp and bronze medal.
Show me the guys from 2002 and above who won league mvp and won bronze medal from America.

[Lebron23]

He's talking about zone defense without defensive 3 seconds that's the real zone

NBA added defensive 3 seconds

Learn basketball

But he still struggled when he played for the Wizards.

[Lebron23]

Imagine MJ in today's league averaging 50-60ppg

God this league is pathetic...its not even sport...

It's primadonnas dancing on a basketball court

You never play basketball you stupid midget. Jordan would be a slightly better version of Demar Derozan if he plays in todays NBA.

[Lebron23]

https://basketnews.com/news-168319-luka-doncic-explained-why-its-easier-to-score-in-the-nba-than-in-euroleague.html

Luka says that it's easier to score in the NBA

That's why he is 24 and still no finals appearance.

[Axe]

You never play basketball you stupid midget. Jordan would be a slightly better version of Demar Derozan if he plays in todays NBA.
:oldlol:

[Xiao Yao You]

But he still struggled when he played for the Wizards.

at 40 after two retirements :facepalm

[Overdrive]

But he still struggled when he played for the Wizards.

1st: The NBA never implemented a full fledged zone.

2nd: Jordan was 39, 3 years retired and played himself into shape.

3rd: You made this topic atleast twice this season alone.

4th: Either you struggle against the zone or you struggle against your defender(in this case Ron Artest). Struggling against a specific defender is countering your zone defense point.

[Lebron23]

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And A young Ron Artest shut him down before MJ's knee injury


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ww8Ymvpp3mg

Artest raped Jordan. when the nba made zone defense legal. You have guys like Ron Artest ganging on MJ and stopping from his usual isolation offense.

MJ bleed for points in this game

[Lebron23]

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[2qr3]

It cannot be considered the specific zone that Michael Jordan is referring to. The presence of the defensive 3 seconds rule prevents it from being a genuine zone.

[Baller789]

Artest raped Jordan. when the nba made zone defense legal. You have guys like Ron Artest ganging on MJ and stopping from his usual isolation offense.

MJ bleed for points in this game

You mean a prime Artest bullied and old man Mike and was proud of it?

[Lebron23]

You mean a prime Artest bullied and old man Mike and was proud of it?

you guys celebrated when a 38 years old LeBron lost to the Denver Nuggets.

[Baller789]

you guys celebrated when a 38 years old LeBron lost to the Denver Nuggets.

So youre admitting he wasn't too old yet still got swept by the Nuggets?

[Spurs m8]

The bald midget is another one suffering heavily

Don't worry, bro...hes on his way to Cancun..he'll have a nice time

[Hey Yo]

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You can't front on that

[Lebron23]

So youre admitting he wasn't too old yet still got swept by the Nuggets?

Better than Michael Jordan at 38. Lakers are going to beat the Nuggets next year

[Lebron23]

You can't front on that


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIDVLKDr1EE

here is prime lebron vs prime artest

[warriorfan]

Op fears measuring tape

[Lebron23]

Op fears measuring tape

Warriorsfan fears looking for a job.

[Baller789]

Better than Michael Jordan at 38. Lakers are going to beat the Nuggets next year

That makes it worse for your idol. Specially the garbage he did the last seconds. People could forgive him for that if he was washed up. But according to you he wasnt.

[Lebron23]

That makes it worse for your idol. Specially the garbage he did the last seconds. People could forgive him for that if he was washed up. But according to you he wasnt.

He is going to win another NBA championship next year.

[Baller789]

He is going to win another NBA championship next year.

Not 1... Not 2.... Not 3... :roll:

[Lebron23]

Not 1... Not 2.... Not 3... :roll:

Just wait and see. you clown

[Bawkish]

He is going to win another NBA championship next year.

This dude hit his head while entering the cat door

[Baller789]

Just wait and see. you clown

And if he doesn't? Would you leave ISH?

[3ba11]

He is going to win another NBA championship next year.


:oldlol: :roll: :oldlol:

[Lebron23]

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And A young Ron Artest shut him down before MJ's knee injury


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ww8Ymvpp3mg

22 years old Artest stole the ball plenty of times when he defended MJ. Jordan thought he was still playing against the Jeff Hornacek, and John Starks. Artest said not in this era MJ.

[Airupthere]

Here is the big question. Put Michael Jordan on the 90s Utah Jazz. How many ringz for Malone/stockton?