Nba players vote on most overrated, best defender, and other things.

[Kblaze8855]

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[Kblaze8855]

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[Kblaze8855]

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[Wally450]

Other* is a weird way of spelling Rudy Gobert. :lol

[Kblaze8855]

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[Axe]

Other in 'who's the most overrated player' should be changed to ja morant instead. The prick just tops rt. :lol

[fsvr54]

Trae :roll:

[SouBeachTalents]

Nice to see McGrady finally get some love in the GOAT debate.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Other* is a weird way of spelling Rudy Gobert. :lol


Gobert isn't overrated by anyone except for the Minnesota front office, a poster on this board and Danny Ainge when he's trying to secure a bank loan.

[Xiao Yao You]

Gobert isn't overrated by anyone except for the Minnesota front office, a poster on this board and Danny Ainge when he's trying to secure a bank loan.

certainly been highly underrated

[jlip]

Nice to see McGrady finally get some love in the GOAT debate.

This is truly what stood out to me the most. :lol

On a related note, I didn't know that the league yet did these surveys with the players.

[Wardell Curry]

The only question on that list that I would definitively trust the players on is the "who's the best defender in the league?" one.

I don't even know if it's Jrue or not but it feels like this is the one they would be the most truthful about and have the best assessment of in terms of fairness and accuracy.

[ArbitraryWater]

6.8% for Kobe as GOAT says how little we should pay attention to what players say :lol

[Kblaze8855]

Gobert isn't overrated by anyone except for the Minnesota front office, a poster on this board and Danny Ainge when he's trying to secure a bank loan.

Yea he’s not really overrated considering so few people rate him as some kinda great player. A single delusional fan doesn’t make someone overrated. We had a guy determined to prove Kevin Johnson was top 40. Doesn’t make him overrated.

Players and fans don’t seem too enamored. We had an nba player say on ESPN he was watching Rudy film and trying to figure out the French word for garbage. His own current teammate was clowning him till he got there. He’s not held in high enough regard to be really overrated right now or recently.

[Charlie Sheen]

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Austin Reaves has arrived if he can draw heat from the other players... this list is more like a stamp of approval than what it is intended to be

[AlternativeAcc.]

NBA players are biased idiots with physical gifts

They vote for people who they socially respect, hence the Joel vote. Theres no objective or intelligent analysis with players.

[ArbitraryWater]

Yea he’s not really overrated considering so few people rate him as some kinda great player. A single delusional fan doesn’t make someone overrated. We had a guy determined to prove Kevin Johnson was top 40. Doesn’t make him overrated.

Players and fans don’t seem too enamored. We had an nba player say on ESPN he was watching Rudy film and trying to figure out the French word for garbage. His own current teammate was clowning him till he got there. He’s not held in high enough regard to be really overrated right now or recently.


overrated usually means though received awards or selections in the past that seem weak in retrospect once the genera public wakes up to it. or still living on shine received on better days, like trae.

[Prometheus]

So the players polled must have been predominantly perimeter guys. Not saying Jrue isn't a phenomenal defender, but we all know rim protection is more valuable than perimeter defense. Players often seem to zoom in on the parts of the game which affect them individually (overrating iso scorers because they are hard to guard) instead of having holistic perspectives on what most impacts the scoreboard. You could line up a hundred NBA players and have them tell me Jrue is a more impactful defensive player than Giannis - they are still wrong.

[ShawkFactory]

So the players polled must have been predominantly perimeter guys. Not saying Jrue isn't a phenomenal defender, but we all know rim protection is more valuable than perimeter defense. Players often seem to zoom in on the parts of the game which affect them individually (overrating iso scorers because they are hard to guard) instead of having holistic perspectives on what most impacts the scoreboard. You could line up a hundred NBA players and have them tell me Jrue is a more impactful defensive player than Giannis - they are still wrong.

I don't think these things need to be thought about in a vacuum like that. Obviously in the NFL a QB is more impactful than any other position but that doesn't necessarily mean that the "best" 8 players in the NFL are or should be quarterbacks. Of course interior defense is the most important thing to have in the NBA, but the fact that Jrue does things on the perimeter defensively that literally none of his peers do should be respected. Which I think is why the players recognize him more than a standard defensive big who stays at home and is solid underneath.

[Prometheus]

I love Jrue's game, but the point I'm trying to make is that replacing him with a generic guard would crater their defense far less than replacing Giannis with a generic big.

[ShawkFactory]

I love Jrue's game, but the point I'm trying to make is that replacing him with a generic guard would crater their defense far less than replacing Giannis with a generic big.

I'm not positive though. A generic big is already higher as a baseline defensively than a generic guard, especially these days where most don't play D. Someone who doesn't make mistakes and can also lockdown in the backcourt right now gives a team an advantage that most don't have.

At the end of the day, yes I'd rather have Giannis if we're just talking about all the things they can do on that end. But I don't think it's that cut and dry and Jrue being 1 of 1 right now is something to celebrate, which is what the players are doing it seems.

[tpols]

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MJ still gets overwhelming GOAT respect from players who weren't even born when he was playing.

[tpols]

I'm not positive though. A generic big is already higher as a baseline defensively than a generic guard, especially these days where most don't play D. Someone who doesn't make mistakes and can also lockdown in the backcourt right now gives a team an advantage that most don't have.

At the end of the day, yes I'd rather have Giannis if we're just talking about all the things they can do on that end. But I don't think it's that cut and dry and Jrue being 1 of 1 right now is something to celebrate, which is what the players are doing it seems.

Yup its about value over replacement. Centers have more defensive impact than guards but that would be true of an average center over an average guard as well. Jrues comparative advantage is elite and is why he's a great asset to have in the playoffs.

[Kblaze8855]

People have been saying Jrue is the best for years it’s just under the radar. He deleted Dame a couple times maybe 5 years ago and he and Durant never stopped singing his praises.

[highwhey]

jaren jackson is the most overrated defender in a while.

[Kblaze8855]

I have barely noticed him the last few times I watched Memphis, but I feel like I might just have an uninformed opinion because I don’t watch them that often. I’ll feel better about it after the playoffs.

[90sgoat]

Austin Reaves has arrived if he can draw heat from the other players... this list is more like a stamp of approval than what it is intended to be

Yeah seeing your name next to Chris Paul is not a diss lol

[90sgoat]

jaren jackson is the most overrated defender in a while.

Closest to KG

[tontoz]

Jaren is a very good defender but foul prone and has missed a lot of games.

[SATAN]

MJ still gets overwhelming GOAT respect from players who weren't even born when he was playing.

Shows how stupid and brainwashed they are tbh.

[Full Court]

Shows how stupid and brainwashed they are tbh.

Meltdown. :roll:

Just waiting for 8ball to come in here and whine about it too.

MJ is even consensus GOAT with players. It's not even close.

[Full Court]

How anybody could say Butler is overrated is beyond me.

[kawhileonard2]

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How is Tmac on this list seriously over Kareem, Magic, Kawhi, Shaq?

[imdaman99]

Austin Reaves has arrived if he can draw heat from the other players... this list is more like a stamp of approval than what it is intended to be

That doesn't mean anything, we got bums like RJ and Randle on there. Those guys have not arrived, and are clearly not HIM

[Prometheus]

Closest to KG

:facepalm

KG is underrated if anything.

[Prometheus]

How is Tmac on this list seriously over Kareem, Magic, Kawhi, Shaq?

bc of what I said earlier. Players have tunnel vision for the things which affect them as individuals. They value iso scoring skills disproportionately, because they have to guard these people and are amazed by them up close. They don't have the broader view that good coaches will have to see what actually impacts the outcome of the game.

[Johnny32]

Meltdown. :roll:

Just waiting for 8ball to come in here and whine about it too.

MJ is even consensus GOAT with players. It's not even close.

it is getting close though. i rem lebron got like 10% of the vote in 2019 i think? he's clearly trending towards goat status among active players and that's with a ton of jealousy still out there. once he's actually retired...it's mike who?

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[Kblaze8855]

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[highwhey]

I have barely noticed him the last few times I watched Memphis, but I feel like I might just have an uninformed opinion because I don’t watch them that often. I’ll feel better about it after the playoffs.


Closest to KG

he's an excellent shot blocker i know that much. i'll pay more attention bc i don't rmbr him being exceptional as an overall defender. i feel like with defensive bigs, the public opinion on their defense can swing rather easily based on 2 things: the public loves shot blocking and they equate it to being amazing defender despite it only being one component, and the second being their perimeter defenders making their jobs easier. if memphis had super shitty perimeter defenders than JJJR wouldn't stand out as much bc he would be overwhelmed - anyone would. i rmbr one of our role players beating him off the dribble and thinking this dude is a great shotblocker but in this era his perimeter defense isn't "great". i'd take giannis over him for DPOY. still a good defender and great shot blocker but for DPOY? nah.

[ArbitraryWater]

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LeBron haters wont like this one.

[Xiao Yao You]

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more ,like what is he not doing

[ArbitraryWater]

more ,like what is he not doing

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[Kblaze8855]

more ,like what is he not doing


Dribbling, shooting, driving, scoring with his back to the basket, making plays for others or virtually anything with the ball that takes longer than the half second it takes to catch and finish a lob or dump off. I’d imagine those are the things he means.

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Would be funny (and justified) if it was Lebron himself who said that.

[90sgoat]

more ,like what is he not doing

He doesn't block a lot of shots though.

[Xiao Yao You]

He doesn't block a lot of shots though.

yep he learned changing the shot and getting the rebound was more impactful than blocking them

[Kblaze8855]

I’m fairly sure he isn’t stupid enough to think missing on a block, hoping for a miss, and a rebound is better than blocking the shot and keeping control of it. Changed shots still go in sometimes…especially vs nba players. He’s not out there waving his hands hoping they’re avoided. If he is he’s an idiot.

Ideally you prevent anyone shooting in the lane in the first place which is what many great interior defenders do. But they aren’t out there setting out not to block the shots people take. Just block it and keep control.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Not the biggest Gobert fan either, but put a name on that quote

Soft lol

[Real Men Wear Green]

Generally a good shot blocker will plateau or even decline statistically as his reputation grows because opposing players will either stop attacking him entirely or shoot from weird angles around him to avoid getting blocked.

[AirBonner]

Players know. Gobert fielding another deep playoff run this season :oldlol:

[RRR3]

I’m fairly sure he isn’t stupid enough to think missing on a block, hoping for a miss, and a rebound is better than blocking the shot and keeping control of it. Changed shots still go in sometimes…especially vs nba players. He’s not out there waving his hands hoping they’re avoided. If he is he’s an idiot.

Ideally you prevent anyone shooting in the lane in the first place which is what many great interior defenders do. But they aren’t out there setting out not to block the shots people take. Just block it and keep control.
Until this year Gobert was one of the best shot blockers of all time by block percentage. Now that he’s declined Xiao claims he doesn’t “go for blocks”. 3ball level shit.

[Jasper]

funny players considered 'OTHER' as most over rated.

Problem is they all can't spell Lebron James.

/

[Xiao Yao You]

I’m fairly sure he isn’t stupid enough to think missing on a block, hoping for a miss, and a rebound is better than blocking the shot and keeping control of it. Changed shots still go in sometimes…especially vs nba players. He’s not out there waving his hands hoping they’re avoided. If he is he’s an idiot.

Ideally you prevent anyone shooting in the lane in the first place which is what many great interior defenders do. But they aren’t out there setting out not to block the shots people take. Just block it and keep control.

he could block a lot more shots than he does. He doesn't try to block every shot. If he did he wouldn't be the defender he is. He'd leave his feet more on pump fakes. He wouldn't be in position to get the rebound or stop the other team from an easy putback. He led the league in blocks once. He led the league in defensive FG% about every year

[Xiao Yao You]

Generally a good shot blocker will plateau or even decline statistically as his reputation grows because opposing players will either stop attacking him entirely or shoot from weird angles around him to avoid getting blocked.

yep and there's that as well. The search dribble is the favorite move against Gobert

[90sgoat]

he's an excellent shot blocker i know that much. i'll pay more attention bc i don't rmbr him being exceptional as an overall defender. i feel like with defensive bigs, the public opinion on their defense can swing rather easily based on 2 things: the public loves shot blocking and they equate it to being amazing defender despite it only being one component, and the second being their perimeter defenders making their jobs easier. if memphis had super shitty perimeter defenders than JJJR wouldn't stand out as much bc he would be overwhelmed - anyone would. i rmbr one of our role players beating him off the dribble and thinking this dude is a great shotblocker but in this era his perimeter defense isn't "great". i'd take giannis over him for DPOY. still a good defender and great shot blocker but for DPOY? nah.

I mean he is a very mobile big, that is also strong and athletic, unlike someone like Mobley who is mobile but weak.

He has the physical tools to be like KG, a box to box player, block a shot, run the floor, slam dunk.

[90sgoat]

Generally a good shot blocker will plateau or even decline statistically as his reputation grows because opposing players will either stop attacking him entirely or shoot from weird angles around him to avoid getting blocked.

Gobert never got a lot of blocks though and it's because he isn't quick enough on his feet to get to guards. He is at his best against bigs. I could be wrong, but that's my impression.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Gobert never got a lot of blocks though and it's because he isn't quick enough on his feet to get to guards. He is at his best against bigs. I could be wrong, but that's my impression.

He has led the league in blocks before and this is the first year in a long time he wasn't among the league leaders.

[Charlie Sheen]

That doesn't mean anything, we got bums like RJ and Randle on there. Those guys have not arrived, and are clearly not HIM

I don't think Randle is overrated because of what you just said though. He aint a superstar but he sure aint a bum either.

RJ I have nothing to say about :lol

[Xiao Yao You]

Gobert never got a lot of blocks though and it's because he isn't quick enough on his feet to get to guards. He is at his best against bigs. I could be wrong, but that's my impression.



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