Besides Toody is Kat the next biggest disappointment for a big man?

[GrayGoat]

He’s basically 7ft tall 3pt spammer

[bison]

KAT is infinitely worse than toody. 10 and 11 pts this series. Wtf.

[coin24]

Biggest cuck in the league.. soft beta

[HoopologyPhD]

Would be a disappointment if anyone thought he would be good, cut from same cloth as bynum, Ben Simmons etc very talented tinmen. Good for you, go home and make finger paintings and leave nba.

[90sgoat]

Poor man's Dirk.

[Dbrog]

It's so crazy cause coming out of college and his rookie year, I saw glimpses of this big who could have finesse, but also athletic and would probably be a great post-up or face-up player. However, he hasn't ever honed these skills. He will face up and either ungracefully bully people on a drive and commit an offensive foul, or take a bad jumper. He needs to go watch some Grizzlies Pau or Pistons Sheed or something because at this point, I think he couldn't even reach that ceiling, but at least it would make him better. Right now he's a poorman's Blake Griffin who can't dunk on people.

[Xiao Yao You]

how is a project that was the 27th pick in the draft and worked his way to an all NBA/DPOTY career a disappointment unless you are a troll? :roll:

[Manny98]

how is a project that was the 27th pick in the draft and worked his way to an all NBA/DPOTY career a disappointment unless you are a troll? :roll:
For what Minny gave up to get him, yes he's been a disappointment

[Xiao Yao You]

For what Minny gave up to get him, yes he's been a disappointment

the trolls certainly haven't been disappointed. He's more popular than he's ever been with them

[tpols]

It's so crazy cause coming out of college and his rookie year, I saw glimpses of this big who could have finesse, but also athletic and would probably be a great post-up or face-up player. However, he hasn't ever honed these skills. He will face up and either ungracefully bully people on a drive and commit an offensive foul, or take a bad jumper. He needs to go watch some Grizzlies Pau or Pistons Sheed or something because at this point, I think he couldn't even reach that ceiling, but at least it would make him better. Right now he's a poorman's Blake Griffin who can't dunk on people.

Grizzlies Pau was 0-12 in the playoffs. Even KAT has done better that that. His 22/11 on 49/46/86 shooting in last years playoffs is already higher than Paus peak.

Somebody has to lose. All Stars like Pau and KAT that are forced to be their teams best players are going to lose to 1 seeds. Just how it's going to go.

[Xiao Yao You]

Grizzlies Pau was 0-12 in the playoffs. Even KAT has done better that that. His 22/11 on 49/46/86 shooting in last years playoffs is already higher than Paus peak.

Somebody has to lose. All Stars like Pau and KAT that are forced to be their teams best players are going to lose to 1 seeds. Just how it's going to go.

he hasn't looked like their best player is the problem

[tpols]

he hasn't looked like their best player is the problem

He's the most talented player on the team and focus of the defense. Doubled more than any other wolve. My point is you could put a ton of middling AllStars in his place... wolves are still going to lose and it doesn't mean those players suck because somebody always has to lose.

[Xiao Yao You]

He's the most talented player on the team and focus of the defense. Doubled more than any other wolve. My point is you could put a ton of middling AllStars in his place... wolves are still going to lose and it doesn't mean those players suck because somebody always has to lose.

debatable if he's the most talented

[rawimpact]

8-27 for a big man is atrocious

[Xiao Yao You]

8-27 for a big man is atrocious

atrocious for anyone

[Dbrog]

Grizzlies Pau was 0-12 in the playoffs. Even KAT has done better that that. His 22/11 on 49/46/86 shooting in last years playoffs is already higher than Paus peak.

Somebody has to lose. All Stars like Pau and KAT that are forced to be their teams best players are going to lose to 1 seeds. Just how it's going to go.

Dude he was facing Duncan, KG, and Dirk like...every series. Not equivalent at all to compare performance. I just referenced Grizzlies Pau cause he was more athletic back then. Let's not forget he was debatably better than Kobe on that Chip year even when he got less athletic. What KAT does is just a joke in comparison.

[Xiao Yao You]

Dude he was facing Duncan, KG, and Dirk like...every series. Not equivalent at all to compare performance. I just referenced Grizzlies Pau cause he was more athletic back then. Let's not forget he was debatably better than Kobe on that Chip year even when he got less athletic. What KAT does is just a joke in comparison.

not much of a debate

[FKAri]

Grizzlies Pau was 0-12 in the playoffs. Even KAT has done better that that. His 22/11 on 49/46/86 shooting in last years playoffs is already higher than Paus peak.

Somebody has to lose. All Stars like Pau and KAT that are forced to be their teams best players are going to lose to 1 seeds. Just how it's going to go.

Why did you just do a 1:1 comparison of 2006/07 offensive stats to today?

[Kblaze8855]

Grizzlies Pau was 0-12 in the playoffs. Even KAT has done better that that. His 22/11 on 49/46/86 shooting in last years playoffs is already higher than Paus peak.

Somebody has to lose. All Stars like Pau and KAT that are forced to be their teams best players are going to lose to 1 seeds. Just how it's going to go.



Pau with James Posey and then Mike Miller as his second options in 3 series vs the dynasty spurs, finals that year Mavs, and the Nash/Amare/Marion/Joe Johnson suns.

When the second leading scorer on your team that season is James Posey(who started 2 more playoff games in his career) and the 4th best player on the other team is Joe Johnson…what’s supposed to happen?

Would stealing a game on the way to guaranteed defeat be of any actual consequence?

Pau has to be one of the least reasonable guys to have his playoff record used against him.

KAT is playing with 2-3 other all stars. Pau had teams that goat level talent would have been incapable of contending with.

[Axe]

Any big can do it.

[Xiao Yao You]

Any big can do it.

so I've been told or at least in the Puerto Rican league they can

[coin24]

Big man? He camps at the 3 point line and just launches bricks.. his shot is ugly af he doesn’t even jump at all..
Should have traded the loser for a shooter and backup pg.

[highwhey]

giannis

[tpols]

Dude he was facing Duncan, KG, and Dirk like...every series. Not equivalent at all to compare performance. I just referenced Grizzlies Pau cause he was more athletic back then. Let's not forget he was debatably better than Kobe on that Chip year even when he got less athletic. What KAT does is just a joke in comparison.

And KAT is facing jokic right now and his 1 seeded team. Pau in KATs place wouldn't make any difference. They would still easily lose to this nugget team.

You can't excuse 0-12 bro. He couldn't get his team a single win? Nah....

[Xiao Yao You]

And KAT is facing jokic right now and his 1 seeded team. Pau in KATs place wouldn't make any difference. They would still easily lose to this nugget team.

You can't excuse 0-12 bro. He couldn't get his team a single win? Nah....

Gasol and Gobert would certainly be a lot better

[tpols]

Gasol and Gobert would certainly be a lot better

No offense but I totally disagree. Pau was at his best a low post guy. When Bynum took his role starting in 2011, and he took on more of a jumpshootong role his game cratered. Pau and Gobert would make for awful spacing, and he was just as soft on defense as KAT. I still remember what guys like KG and Blake Griffin used to do to him. :roll:

The bottom line though is that you will underrate anybody who plays with Rudy gobert. He could be playing with Michael jordan and if they lost you'd say it was MJs fault.

[Xiao Yao You]

No offense but I totally disagree. Pau was at his best a low post guy. When Bynum took his role starting in 2011, and he took on more of a jumpshootong role his game cratered. Pau and Gobert would make for awful spacing, and he was just as soft on defense as KAT. I still remember what guys like KG and Blake Griffin used to do to him. :roll:

The bottom line though is that you will underrate anybody who plays with Rudy gobert. He could be playing with Michael jordan and if they lost you'd say it was MJs fault.

Gasol wouldn't be posting up in today's game though.

[tpols]

Gasol wouldn't be posting up in today's game though.

That's sort of the point though. Pau in today's game spamming long range shots would cripple his natural talents which were McHale like low post finesse game.

Pau became a spot up shooter post 2011 when Bynum took the low post role and he fared awful in it. If anything KAT is more built for today's game.

[Xiao Yao You]

That's sort of the point though. Pau in today's game spamming long range shots would cripple his natural talents which were McHale like low post finesse game.

Pau became a spot up shooter post 2011 when Bynum took the low post role and he fared awful in it. If anything KAT is more built for today's game.

Gasol would be built for it more today too. I like Towns but he's been nothing but empty stats so far in his career. If I'm going to battle it would be with a Gasol not KAT

[tpols]

Gasol would be built for it more today too. I like Towns but he's been nothing but empty stats so far in his career. If I'm going to battle it would be with a Gasol not KAT

You can do that and the result wouldn't be any different. Pau is literally 0-12 at his peak as the best player on a team. Yea he played dirk and Duncan but he would have to face jokic now. So he would still get destroyed based off historical precedent.

[Xiao Yao You]

You can do that and the result wouldn't be any different. Pau is literally 0-12 at his peak as the best player on a team. Yea he played dirk and Duncan but he would have to face jokic now. So he would still get destroyed based off historical precedent.

He would be facing Jokic with much better talent than he had in Memphis

[tpols]

He would be facing Jokic with much better talent than he had in Memphis

And he would be facing teams that had more talent outside of Jokic as well. Give Jokic prime tony parker and Manu and he'd be running a ring in no time. Either way Pau wouldn't be fixing your problems.

[Xiao Yao You]

And he would be facing teams that had more talent outside of Jokic as well. Give Jokic prime tony parker and Manu and he'd be running a ring in no time. Either way Pau wouldn't be fixing your problems.

Not sure Parker is better than Murray

[tpols]

Not sure Parker is better than Murray

Parker put up 21 and 9 dimes a game on 53% shooting from the field and 68% from 3pt against the grizzlies. I'd love to see Murray do that even in today's much more forgiving defensive climate.

[ShawkFactory]

And he would be facing teams that had more talent outside of Jokic as well. Give Jokic prime tony parker and Manu and he'd be running a ring in no time. Either way Pau wouldn't be fixing your problems.

Who's playing defense?

[Xiao Yao You]

Who's playing defense?

no one in 2023. Now they want to get rid of the charge! :roll:

[tpols]

Who's playing defense?

Who was playing defense on dirks mavs that swept the Pau Grizzlies?

:confusedshrug:

Talent is talent.

Manu is a great defender by the way as was Bruce bowen.