Why are Devin Booker's advanced stats bad?

[StrongLurk]

What I mean is they aren't "bad", but they always seem worse relative to his production. Is it a pace thing?

He is putting up 27/4/6 on good efficiency in the regular season over the last five years...yet he's only rocking a 20.6 PER and 2.3 BPM during that time.

Even his finals run in 2021, he averaged 27/6/5 on pretty good efficiency and has some big finals games...but his PER was only was only 16.1 and his BPM was NEGATIVE .4

How is that possible? Yeah he's not great on defense, but he's clearly an elite scorer who can play-make some.

[SouBeachTalents]

One I'll never understand is how Drexler had nearly equal advanced stats to Hakeem in the '95 playoffs, including more winshares.

[warriorfan]

One I'll never understand is how Drexler had nearly equal advanced stats to Hakeem in the '95 playoffs, including more winshares.

winshares has always seemed like a pretty stupid metric in my opinion

[tpols]

Because he's an awful defender and gives up almost as many buckets as he puts up.

[ArbitraryWater]

Because he's an awful defender and gives up almost as many buckets as he puts up.

sure he does :oldlol:

[tpols]

One I'll never understand is how Drexler had nearly equal advanced stats to Hakeem in the '95 playoffs, including more winshares.

Because Drexler was an elite defender and scored on super elite efficiency in that run. He was also a great passer and rebounder for an SG. The Rockets 30 for 30 showed that it was a myth Hakeem won on his own. Clyde was a superstar impact player.

[tpols]

sure he does :oldlol:

He just made Norman Powell look like kobe, and was hunted all series long on defense. They gave up 130 points to a totally decimated clipper team playing without their best players. I don't think you watch the defensive side of the ball at all.

[warriorfan]

Because Drexler was an elite defender and scored on super elite efficiency in that run. He was also a great passer and rebounder for an SG. The Rockets 30 for 30 showed that it was a myth Hakeem won on his own. Clyde was a superstar impact player.

I haven’t seen the doc but I’ve always though Hakeem’s championship teams were underrated a bit.

[highwhey]

Because he's an awful defender and gives up almost as many buckets as he puts up.

confirmed boxscore watcher. he's played excellent defense all series long.

[ImKobe]

His raw numbers look good but he doesn't get to the line as much, is a below-average rebounder & usually doesn't get a ton of stls/blks.

[tpols]

confirmed boxscore watcher. he's played excellent defense all series long.

:roll:

No he hasn't I did watch the games. The clippers hunted him on mismatches all series long because he's the weak link in the defense. How you gonna let the clippers without kawhi or Paul George average 120 a game on you? That doesn't bode well for what the Nuggets have in store for you guys.

[ShawkFactory]

Because Drexler was an elite defender and scored on super elite efficiency in that run. He was also a great passer and rebounder for an SG. The Rockets 30 for 30 showed that it was a myth Hakeem won on his own. Clyde was a superstar impact player.

Whenever someone says this about a title it's almost always a myth. There's less than 5 cases in NBA history where you could try to make that argument and there were likely injuries or extenuating circumstances on the other side along the path.

[dankok8]

Defense isn't factored in PER so not sure why people are mentioning his defense. My guess his PER is low is that his all-around box score stats that factor into the formula including steals, blocks etc. are low. He also played relatively high minutes in the 2021 playoffs and PER is a rate stat meaning per possession.

[iamgine]

What I mean is they aren't "bad", but they always seem worse relative to his production. Is it a pace thing?

He is putting up 27/4/6 on good efficiency in the regular season over the last five years...yet he's only rocking a 20.6 PER and 2.3 BPM during that time.

Even his finals run in 2021, he averaged 27/6/5 on pretty good efficiency and has some big finals games...but his PER was only was only 16.1 and his BPM was NEGATIVE .4

How is that possible? Yeah he's not great on defense, but he's clearly an elite scorer who can play-make some.

Well it was not on "pretty good efficiency". It's below average.

[highwhey]

:roll:

No he hasn't I did watch the games. The clippers hunted him on mismatches all series long because he's the weak link in the defense. How you gonna let the clippers without kawhi or Paul George average 120 a game on you? That doesn't bode well for what the Nuggets have in store for you guys.

his Defensive field goal percentage is 23.8%....so the people he guards are shooting at a 23.8% clip.

[highwhey]

So far in the playoffs this year, Devin Booker leads the NBA in...

-Total points
-Points per game
-Steals per game
-Win Shares
-Win Shares/48
-Offensive Box Plus Minus
-Defensive Box Plus Minus
-Box Plus Minus
-PER
-VORP

https://twitter.com/co_dhunt/status/1650150914794323970?s=46&t=TUyglhRYYePR4bxY6S6Pmw

[tpols]

his Defensive field goal percentage is 23.8%....so the people he guards are shooting at a 23.8% clip.

That doesn't factor in all the times he gets bullied and help has to arrive which leads to an open jumper or shot for somebody else.

Did you watch the series? The clippers were specifically targeting him. And they put up 120 a game after kawhi went down. How does that happen? How are you going to deal with jokic and the Nuggets if westbrick and the clippers gave you that much of a problem?

[ImKobe]

his Defensive field goal percentage is 23.8%....so the people he guards are shooting at a 23.8% clip.

A misleading stat in a vacuum. How many of these are 3s, and how many times was he on Russ when he got to the rim uncontested & it wasn't counted in this specific stat?

[warriorfan]

A misleading stat in a vacuum. How many of these are 3s, and how many times was he on Russ when he got to the rim uncontested & it wasn't counted in this specific stat?

dude claims he watches the games then posts out of content misleading metrics that fly in the face of what was seen through the eye test


lmaoo

[ArbitraryWater]

He just made Norman Powell look like kobe, and was hunted all series long on defense. They gave up 130 points to a totally decimated clipper team playing without their best players. I don't think you watch the defensive side of the ball at all.

Powells ppg rose by 3 compared to last year (when he was the 3rd option), and he rose another spot in the shot taking hierarchy.

Nothing he did was unusual for Powell.

I dont think you understand ball at all.

[highwhey]

A misleading stat in a vacuum. How many of these are 3s, and how many times was he on Russ when he got to the rim uncontested & it wasn't counted in this specific stat?

how is it misleading? it's a direct measure of what his opponent is scoring. oh wait, are we attributing team defense to an individual player? is that our benchmark?

[ImKobe]

how is it misleading? it's a direct measure of what his opponent is scoring. oh wait, are we attributing team defense to an individual player? is that our benchmark?

No I'm saying FG% alone doesn't mean much without any context.

[highwhey]

No I'm saying FG% alone doesn't mean much without any context.

let me know which player in the league could keep in front of russ. bc kobe sure as hell would not. and for as much shit as he gits, wb is the strongest 6'3 guard ever. you aren't boxing him out. even at his age his speed on his drives is unmatched. that first step is faster than d wade. but sure, let's add 'context' so as long as we all of the context.

[ImKobe]

let me know which player in the league could keep in front of russ. bc kobe sure as hell would not. and for as much shit as he gits, wb is the strongest 6'3 guard ever. you aren't boxing him out. even at his age his speed on his drives is unmatched. that first step is faster than d wade. but sure, let's add 'context' so as long as we all of the context.


https://youtu.be/Iou1L27tyZI


https://youtu.be/bCVe9A46ecs

oh yeah Russ? this is athletic prime/peak Russ


https://youtu.be/yIuFUvhWs0A

[RRR3]

ImKobe definitely jerked off to those videos

[highwhey]

N E ways


like i was saying, book is the man. he is playing better than kobe.

[JohnMax]

https://media.tenor.com/8kHsmZikHYEAAAAd/white-tears-dancing.gif

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQqw8i4XkAAHj2g.jpg:

[ImKobe]

ImKobe definitely jerked off to those videos

Look at that footwork man. How could you not?