What happened to Giannis in the Bucks Heat first round series?

[highwhey]

i thot he was really good. @kblaze, any input breh?

[warriorfan]

op is some obese beamer who doesn’t know ball and copy pastes low iq takes from reddit

[Kblaze8855]

Same thing that happens most of the time for everyone who isn’t Bill Russell. Even more likely if you land on your back and miss two and three-quarter games and your team loses two of them. This is one of those situations people can set out to troll, but know there is nothing happening of consequence. You’re free to think so at the moment, but losing a series you missed three games of I don’t believe has ever really been talked about for anybody.

Not that that matters either. If he had played every game and lost, it wouldn’t much matter. Well, it would matter as much as what Dirk did in some random year. And you haven’t given any thought to whatever happened to Dirk in 2008.

He was a first ballot Hall of Famer even before he dropped 50 on your team to win the title and complete a résumé that already had two MVPs and a defensive player of the year on it.

he won the title at like 25. No matter what happened he was going to lose nine or 10 more times. That’s how it works. You lose most of the time. Most of your career never gets mentioned again.

Even truly devastating defeats like when you win 65 games, then lose game seven at home by like 40 points don’t really get remembered. One or two wins drown out everything else historically. But no matter who the player is haters get so far in the rabbit hole they’re happy to keep hating like they havent already been proven wrong, whenever the subject of the hate loses, because the easiest way to look smart in the world is to predict failure in a sport 95% of teams will fail every year.

Bill Russell is literally the only significant player I can think of in all major American sports a hater wouldn’t be right more often than not if they simply predicted failure and coming up short every single year. Maybe yogi Berra? I think he won 10 World Series, but he probably played more than 20 years.

You put missing more than half of the series on top of it? Pretty sure his legacy can take it. Way better players than he is had much worse losses without missing half the series. Fact is he’s already done everything there is to do.

it’s like if Dirk had won that title in 2006. Nothing the haters had to say in 2008 would even be remembered. Hell nothing the haters said in 2008 is remembered anyway. Right now the entirety of his legacy is some insane numbers, a bunch of awards, a ridiculous block and a transition dunk in the finals and putting your whole state in the scorpion death lock for the title.

Your career recap gets like three sentences in retrospect. His is already written, and can only be added to. Barring an O.J. Simpson like post career, he’s already set. Him, LeBron, and Steph are the only people in the league who can say that. Kevin Durant as well to basketball people but maybe not the general public.

Hes already done it all.

[highwhey]

Same thing that happens most of the time for everyone who isn’t Bill Russell. Even more likely if you land on your back and miss two and three-quarter games and your team loses two of them. This is one of those situations people can set out to troll, but know there is nothing happening of consequence. You’re free to think so at the moment, but losing a series you missed three games of I don’t believe has ever really been talked about for anybody.

Not that that matters either. If he has played every game and lost, it wouldn’t much matter. Well, it would matter as much as what Dirk did in some random year. And you haven’t given any thought to whatever happened to Dirk in 2008.

He was a first ballot Hall of Famer even before he dropped 50 on your team to win the title and complete a résumé that already had two MVPs and a defensive player of the year on it.

he won the title at like 25. No matter what happened he was going to lose nine or 10 more times. That’s how it works. You lose most of the time. Most of your career never gets mentioned again.

Even truly devastating defeats like when you win 65 games, then lose game seven at home by like 40 points don’t really get remembered. One or two wins drown out everything else historically. But no matter who the player haters get so far in the rabbit hole they’re happy to keep hating like they havent already been proven wrong, whenever the subject of the hate loses, because the easiest way to look smart in the world is to predict failure in a sport 95% of teams will fail every year.

Bill Russell is literally the only significant player I can think of in all major American sports a hater wouldn’t be right more often than not if they simply predicted failure and coming up short every single year. Maybe yogi Berra? I think he won 10 World Series, but he probably played more than 20 years.

You put missing more than half of the series on top of it? Pretty sure his legacy can take it. Way better players than he is had much worse losses without missing half the series. Fact is he’s already done everything there is to do.

it’s like if Dirk had won that title in 2006. Nothing the haters had to say in 2008 would even be remembered. Hell nothing the haters said in 2008 is remembered anyway. Right now the entirety of his legacy is some insane numbers, a bunch of awards, a ridiculous block and a transition dunk in the finals and putting your whole state in the scorpion death lock for the title.

Your career recap gets like three sentences in retrospect. His is already written, and can only be added to. Barring an O.J. Simpson like post career, he’s already set. Him, LeBron, and Steph are the only people in the league who can say that. Kevin Durant as well to basketball people but maybe not the general public.

Hes already done it all.

listen OG, you'll never come to accept the idea but just think on it. Yannis isn't skilled. i said it to you a month a go, you wrote the same things...notthing i say changed the fax..etc. but he truily is the most garbage "superstar" ever. no actual skill.

[Axe]

Got cucked by his freaking coach.

[fourkicks44]

listen OG, you'll never come to accept the idea but just think on it. Yannis isn't skilled. i said it to you a month a go, you wrote the same things...notthing i say changed the fax..etc. but he truily is the most garbage "superstar" ever. no actual skill.

Despite what anyone's take on the issue is It can't be denied by anyone that his free throw shooting just isn't good enough.

He gets the most ridiculous superstar calls out of any player in the league. He legitimately tries to run over defenders and gets calls he shouldn't and when he is gifted free throws he just can't make them at an elite rate.

He choked on the free throw line tonight and it cost them big time. We have heard about how he has had such an efficient season and he, Joker and Joel are apparently all so even in the MVP race. But what set them apart from him is they can shoot at an elite level and he just can not.

[Kblaze8855]

You said the same thing before he devoured the state of Arizona like Galactus too. As I said, a persons haters don’t change the criticism with the results. They only pretend they would. The whole kingdom of hate is built of failure and attaching that failure to the haters predictions and evaluations, allowing the hater to pretend to be knowledgeable. The reason the hate business is always booming is because no matter who you choose to hate they’re going to lose a lot more than they win and give you ammunition.

The people who are just making reasonable criticisms don’t keep hating once the subject has done all that can be done. They accept that whatever the criticisms they obviously weren’t valid enough to prevent the ultimate achievements. whatever shortcomings, it’s just them being human an imperfect as a result. No more than that.

A hater on the other hand, sees the person reach ultimate success, and will not only continue hating, but often double down, because their previous claims about what the person can’t do with the shortcomings they point out have been invalidated, so they have to make up for being wrong by merely being louder. That’s why LeBron has more haters now than before he won. Same for Kobe. The heat doesn’t decline as you prove people more and more wrong. It increases because the valid reasons meltaway and have to be replaced by enthusiasm. You’re at that point.

And it’s fine. The enthusiasm of haters who have already been proven wrong is half the driving force of sports. People with true success have more haters. You would think success reduces the detractors, but it doesn’t.




https://youtu.be/yaWhikqH6RU



We can be successful, and we can have enemies. We can be unsuccessful too, and we can have friends.

[highwhey]

You said the same thing before he devoured the state of Arizona like Galactus too. As I said, a persons haters don’t change the criticism with the results. They only pretend they would. The whole kingdom of hate is built of failure and attaching that failure to the haters predictions and evaluations, allowing the hater to pretend to be knowledgeable. The reason the hate business is always booming is because no matter who you choose to hate they’re going to lose a lot more than they win and give you ammunition.

The people who are just making reasonable criticisms don’t keep hating once the subject has done all that can be done. They accept that whatever the criticisms they obviously weren’t valid enough to prevent the ultimate achievements. whatever shortcomings, it’s just them being human an imperfect as a result. No more than that.

A hater on the other hand, sees the person reach ultimate success, and will not only continue hating, but often double down, because their previous claims about what the person can’t do with the shortcomings they point out have been invalidated, so they have to make up for being wrong by merely being louder. That’s why LeBron has more haters now than before he won. Same for Kobe. The heat doesn’t decline as you prove people more and more wrong. It increases because the valid reasons meltaway and have to be replaced by enthusiasm. You’re at that point.

And it’s fine. The enthusiasm of haters who have already been proven wrong is half the driving force of sports. People with true success have more haters. You would think success reduces the detractors, but it doesn’t.




https://youtu.be/yaWhikqH6RU



We can be successful, and we can have enemies. We can be unsuccessful too, and we can have friends.

you are butal blaze. BRUTAL. i have feelings too. https://em-content.zobj.net/thumbs/72/apple/354/pouting-face_1f621.png

[BallsOut]

We can be successful, and we can have enemies. We can be unsuccessful too, and we can have friends.

LeBron knows a lot about the latter. He’s had super friends his entire career and been largely unsuccessful when it counts.

:lebronamazed:

Maybe if Tracy McGrady or Vince Carter had that same level of close friendship Lebron developed with all his competition he’d be in just as many finals. Probably would have more success too.

[highwhey]

this dude said he devoured AZ like galactus.


https://media.tenor.com/AasiMdHY_98AAAAC/denzel-training-day.gif

[Kblaze8855]

I’m just saying…..fans…haters…they don’t truly care about outcomes. They only use them to further their preexisting conclusions…and pretend they didn’t happen when it doesn’t go their way. Or talk asterisks. Cheating. Refs.

Nobody can just be wrong. It’s too much. A hater will not capitulate. They can’t bend the knee. They’re still right…they just might have to be right later.

[Kblaze8855]

this dude said he devoured AZ like galactus.


https://media.tenor.com/AasiMdHY_98AAAAC/denzel-training-day.gif



You’re lucky I’m not at home with full computer access. I would’ve thrown his face onto Apocalypse from X-Men, the animated series, and have him standing outside the city of Phoenix saying “Watch me and tremble for I bring the purity of oblivion to your world.”.

[highwhey]

I’m just saying…..fans…haters…they don’t truly care about outcomes. They only use them to further their preexisting conclusions…and pretend they didn’t happen when it doesn’t go their way. Or talk asterisks. Cheating. Refs.

Nobody can just be wrong. It’s too much. A hater will not capitulate. They can’t bend the knee. They’re still right…they just might have to be right later.

i wish we could put these dudes (including other top 10 nba players) in a vacuum. it woudl be clear as day that giabitch is not a hooper.

[Spurs m8]

op is some obese beamer who doesn’t know ball and copy pastes low iq takes from reddit

Hes the classic ISH dumb fvck

IQ of a rock

Built like a boulder

[LoneyROY7]

Good to see kblaze still writing essays.

Little gianny shriveled up. Playoff Jimmy pulled his pants down and shook it around.

[JohnMax]

NBA trivia: Shaquille O'neal got swept 6 times in his career. (https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/3jlylr/nba_trivia_shaquille_oneal_got_swept_6_times_in)

From 1994-1999, Shaq got swept 5 times!

1994: Swept in 1st round by Indiana 3-0

1995: Swept in the finals by Houston 4-0

1996: Swept in ECF by Chicago 4-0

1998: Swept in WCF by Utah 4-0

1999: Swept in 2nd round by San Antonio 4-0

2007: Swept in 1st round by Chicago in 4-0

Almost got swept results:

2004: Lost to Pistons, 4-1.

2008: Lost to Spurs, 4-1.

[highwhey]

You’re lucky I’m not at home with full computer access. I would’ve thrown his face onto Apocalypse from X-Men, the animated series, and have him standing outside the city of Phoenix saying “Watch me and tremble for I bring the purity of oblivion to your world.”.

just try the parisian eggs my man. with a coffee and blueberry scone.

[DMAVS41]

listen OG, you'll never come to accept the idea but just think on it. Yannis isn't skilled. i said it to you a month a go, you wrote the same things...notthing i say changed the fax..etc. but he truily is the most garbage "superstar" ever. no actual skill.

The “skill” doesn’t matter when his impact is greater than nearly all the guys, in history, that had more skill and haven’t done what Giannis has done… and his career is still far from over.

Giannis can only move up the all-time rankings, not down. I do think this series for him is worse than some are saying, however, and rightly keeps him from jumping a tier for now.

He has a great supporting cast and needs to win more or at least make multiple more finals to jump other guys imo. If he’s as good as I think he is and have argued, the results need to show it… and obviously this year they didn’t.

[tontoz]

Funny that OP made the excuse that the Suns were missing their backup center in the Finals but ignores that Giannis got hurt 10 minutes into the first game of this series. :facepalm

Coach Bud set a new standard for coaching incometence these last two games.

[DMAVS41]

Funny that OP made the excuse that the Suns were missing their backup center in the Finals but ignores that Giannis got hurt 10 minutes into the first game of this series. :facepalm

Coach Bud set a new standard for coaching incometence these last two games.

I’m a huge Giannis supporter, but they were also down at the time, won a game in which he didn’t play, and then lost the two biggest games of the year with him… and crumbled… wasn’t like the Heat just looked better. The Bucks had to melt a bit to not win the last two… and Giannis was a big part of that.

He deserves real criticism if the standard for him is top 20 or so of all-time.

[Axe]

The “skill” doesn’t matter when his impact is greater than nearly all the guys, in history, that had more skill and haven’t done what Giannis has done… and his career is still far from over.

Giannis can only move up the all-time rankings, not down. I do think this series for him is worse than some are saying, however, and rightly keeps him from jumping a tier for now.

He has a great supporting cast and needs to win more or at least make multiple more finals to jump other guys imo. If he’s as good as I think he is and have argued, the results need to show it… and obviously this year they didn’t.
Nick nurse can probably help them reach and maximize their potential, even moreso defensively. Can't see the same thing with bud. Their ceiling has been limited with him and his grave blunders can't be overlooked at all.

[PeroAntic]

Nothing happened to Giannis, he just met an opponent that was overall better than him at the moment.

[tontoz]

I’m a huge Giannis supporter, but they were also down at the time, won a game in which he didn’t play, and then lost the two biggest games of the year with him… and crumbled… wasn’t like the Heat just looked better. The Bucks had to melt a bit to not win the last two… and Giannis was a big part of that.

He deserves real criticism if the standard for him is top 20 or so of all-time.

I agree the Bucks choked but lets not pretend like Giannis was healthy. He was clearly playing hurt.

Giving up double digit leads in the 4th in back to back games without making any defensive adjustments was just an epic coaching failure. They were going over the end of last nights game on NBA Radio and just crucifying Bud for idiotic decisions.

[DMAVS41]

I agree the Bucks choked but lets not pretend like Giannis was healthy. He was clearly playing hurt.

Giving up double digit leads in the 4th in back to back games without making any defensive adjustments was just an epic coaching failure. They were going over the end of last nights game on NBA Radio and just crucifying Bud for idiotic decisions.

It’s fair to say he wasn’t 100%. My issue is that everyone overlooks circumstances for guys they don’t like or think play the wrong way.

End of the day…with Giannis playing in the games he did. The Heat beat them… and when you can take 27 shots, 23 free throws, grab 20 boards, and play 42 minutes… you aren’t that hurt.

And if you want to challenge the 10 or 15 or 20 best players ever… not winning a game in round 1 with the better supporting cast is going to prevent those conversations until he does more, rightfully so.

And that 2020 series against the same team doesn’t help much either where the only win came in the game Giannis only played the 1st qtr. iirc.

[highwhey]

I agree the Bucks choked but lets not pretend like Giannis was healthy. He was clearly playing hurt.

Giving up double digit leads in the 4th in back to back games without making any defensive adjustments was just an epic coaching failure. They were going over the end of last nights game on NBA Radio and just crucifying Bud for idiotic decisions.

can someone translate this into english? i don't speak bitch.

[highwhey]

Nothing happened to Giannis, he just met an opponent that was overall better than him at the moment.

so what you're saying is he isn't that good?

[tontoz]

It’s fair to say he wasn’t 100%. My issue is that everyone overlooks circumstances for guys they don’t like or think play the wrong way.

End of the day…with Giannis playing in the games he did. The Heat beat them… and when you can take 27 shots, 23 free throws, grab 20 boards, and play 42 minutes… you aren’t that hurt.

And if you want to challenge the 10 or 15 or 20 best players ever… not winning a game in round 1 with the better supporting cast is going to prevent those conversations until he does more, rightfully so.


I haven't watched last nights game yet but i did watch the previous one. They had a double digit lead before Jimmy had an out of body experience without any adjustments from Bud. At some point you need to get the ball out of his hands and make someone else beat you. That's isn't on Giannis.

At one point in the game i saw Giannis struggling to move and seemingly signal to the bench to get him out of the game.

[tontoz]

can someone translate this into english? i don't speak bitch.


Could have fooled me since you are still butthurt about a series that happened two years ago.

You have certainly proven to be very fluent in excuse.

[highwhey]

Could have fooled me since you are still butthurt about a series that happened two years ago.

You have certainly proven to be very fluent in excuse.

yo hablo espanol, ingles.

no hablo bitch.

[tontoz]

yo hablo espanol, ingles.

no hablo bitch.

recuerdas el juego 7 del año pasado? :lol

[PeroAntic]

so what you're saying is he isn't that good?

Hes a top 5 player in the league and top 30 all time. Unfortunately for him, so was the opponent, who edged him out with a superior mental game.

[highwhey]

Hes a top 5 player in the league and top 30 all time. Unfortunately for him, so was the opponent, who edged him out with a superior mental game.

top 30 and can't shoot free throws, mids, 3s....not even a hook shot


right

[highwhey]

recuerdas el juego 7 del año pasado? :lol

i do.

[tontoz]

https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/g195/tontoz/Screenshot_20230403-103052.jpg

[tpols]

Gianna took 23 FTs and the heats whole team only took 17. That's just disgusting. His offense is an all time fraud. WWE aka NBA wanted the bucks to win last night and gave them every opportunity to do so.

[Full Court]

I’m just saying…..fans…haters…they don’t truly care about outcomes. They only use them to further their preexisting conclusions…and pretend they didn’t happen when it doesn’t go their way. Or talk asterisks. Cheating. Refs.

Nobody can just be wrong. It’s too much. A hater will not capitulate. They can’t bend the knee. They’re still right…they just might have to be right later.

Some of us are more right than others though. Just the way it is.

[1987_Lakers]

Some of us are more right than others though. Just the way it is.

You called Miami beating Bucks in the bubble a fluke. You were wrong.

[Axe]

Gianna took 23 FTs and the heats whole team only took 17. That's just disgusting. His offense is an all time fraud. WWE aka NBA wanted the bucks to win last night and gave them every opportunity to do so.
It's a rig league. Like what someone else mentioned here before, superstars are treated differently. Especially in their own floor.

[Naero]

I swear we hear this every year. A superstar takes an "irreparable hit" to their legacy for a disgraceful loss, yet we barely even talk about it years later.

People are crucifying Giannis for this right now, sure, and it might even feel plausible to write him off from ever entering top-ten territory. But how much will people care when it's all said and done? My guess is they'll fuss about it as much as Duncan's 1-vs-8 loss, Kareem missing the playoffs twice in his prime, Bird's seven losses with HCA, the Tragic Johnson Finals, and Shaq getting swept six times.

In other words? They'll discuss it minimally, if at all. All authored by consensus top-ten players, yet those so-called blackmarks are only afterthoughts now. I'd wager that most of you wouldn't even know the exact years all those happened without googling.

Many don't realize how forgiving the general public is in retrospect. Once a player has already accomplished every conceivable accolade, that's mainly what people highlight about their career, not all their losses. As Kblaze said, it only takes one year of winning it all to drown out the years you failed to.

People rarely bring up the failures unless such scrutiny is warranted, and it typically isn't for ATGs like Giannis. If you're hyped up as a GOAT candidate like LeBron, of course every loss is scrutinized to the nth degree because the standards and expectations are that lofty. Otherwise, people ultimately tolerate a player's letdowns as long as their successes justify their ranking.

Dirk is a great example. He lost as the first seed his MVP year, lost as the second seed another season (one most probably don't even know/remember off-hand), blew a 2-0 lead in the NBA Finals, and only made the WCF three times in his career. All that, yet you're bound to hear about his 2011 championship at least a hundred times before someone mentions most, if any, of those disappointments. Hardly anyone bats an eye when you rank the Germinator in your top twenty, and that's where Giannis will end up at worst until future ATGs leap-frog him.

Upsets like this definitely harm his reputation, and maybe he'll even lose his BITW title until further notice. But his long-term legacy is practically secure. This loss only limits how much he can climb up the rankings this year, and that's not because it's an irrecoverable blackmark; it's simply because it's a blown opportunity to enhance his resume even further.

[WhiteKyrie]

He was afraid of having the ball because he’s limited skill wise and is allowed to travel all over the damn court.

Jimmy ate his ass up. Dominated all them guys: Giannis, Portis, and Holiday.


Gianna took 23 FTs and the heats whole team only took 17. That's just disgusting. His offense is an all time fraud. WWE aka NBA wanted the bucks to win last night and gave them every opportunity to do so.
Agreed

2021 champs would’ve been BK if KD’s long foot wasn’t on the line. Let alone not having Harden or Kyrie.

[DMAVS41]

I chuckle when someone sums up Dirk’s career as if the only thing of note was 2011 or that somehow winning 50 plus games 11 straight years, 2 finals, and 3 conference finals with his help in a brutal West was somehow not impressive.

Hasn’t Giannis only made 2 conference finals? And he’s now had 2 pretty bad series losses to the Heat. In 2020 and this year… he didn’t win even a game in which he fully played.��

[WhiteKyrie]

I chuckle when someone sums up Dirk’s career as if the only thing of note was 2011 or that somehow winning 50 plus games 11 straight years, 2 finals, and 3 conference finals with his help in a brutal West was somehow not impressive.

Hasn’t Giannis only made 2 conference finals? And he’s now had 2 pretty bad series losses to the Heat. In 2020 and this year… he didn’t win even a game in which he fully played.��

KD > Leonard > Dirk > Giannis, correct.

[DMAVS41]

I haven't watched last nights game yet but i did watch the previous one. They had a double digit lead before Jimmy had an out of body experience without any adjustments from Bud. At some point you need to get the ball out of his hands and make someone else beat you. That's isn't on Giannis.

At one point in the game i saw Giannis struggling to move and seemingly signal to the bench to get him out of the game.

Even if I fully agreed about the injury, what does that change? Being healthy for the playoffs as often as possible is part of being a great NBA player. That should impact his ranking.

Especially if it continues to happen. Giannis was quite fortunate to be able to miss those 2 games against the Hawks in 21 and have his team win both. A lot of other stars could not have their team win multiple conference finals games without them.

Health matters.

[DMAVS41]

KD > Leonard > Dirk > Giannis, correct.

No. Need to see KD lead a team and Leonard has been hurt way too much to get top 20 consideration.

You actually have to play.

[Axe]

Agreed

2021 champs would’ve been BK if KD’s long foot wasn’t on the line. Let alone not having Harden or Kyrie.
You're dumb. Kyrie isn't winning anything anymore with his immature antics.

[Naero]

I chuckle when someone sums up Dirk’s career as if the only thing of note was 2011 or that somehow winning 50 plus games 11 straight years, 2 finals, and 3 conference finals with his help in a brutal West was somehow not impressive.

Hasn’t Giannis only made 2 conference finals? And he’s now had 2 pretty bad series losses to the Heat. In 2020 and this year… he didn’t win even a game in which he fully played.��

I assume you're referring to my post; if so, this is a bit of a strawman.

I wasn't trying to undermine Dirk at all; I was simply using him as an example for my overarching argument, which is that people will gladly overlook most players' failures as long as they proved themselves at one point. Whether or not Giannis outranks him is an entirely different debate, and I'm not disagreeing if you're choosing Dirk at that.

Also, I never suggested that Dirk's career is unimpressive outside of 2011; I just didn't feel the need to note his other achievements since his one championship (like Giannis's in 2021) was enough to drown out all his postseason flameouts, which was the entire point of using him as an example.

[WhiteKyrie]

No. Need to see KD lead a team and Leonard has been hurt way too much to get top 20 consideration.

You actually have to play.
KD is obviously better than Dirk. Stop.

1 MVP, 1 Chip, 1 Finals MVP (should’ve been Terry)

Is better than

1 MVP, 2, Chips, 2 Finals MVPs?

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Your fandom is clouding your judgement. KD never lost to an 8th seed while leading a 1 seed, either.

[DMAVS41]

I assume you're referring to my post; if so, this is a bit of a strawman.

I wasn't trying to undermine Dirk at all; I was simply using him as an example for my overarching argument, which is that people will gladly overlook most players' failures as long as they proved themselves at one point. Whether or not Giannis outranks him is an entirely different debate, and I'm not disagreeing if you're choosing Dirk at that.

Also, I never suggested that Dirk's career is unimpressive outside of 2011; I just didn't feel the need to note his other achievements since his one championship (like Giannis's in 2021) was enough to drown out all his postseason flameouts, which was the entire point of using him as an example.

Of course, but it does also matter what else a player does. Dirk, for example, if he had played better and won in 06 and then made the finals or won in 07… would rightfully have gone down as maybe a top 10 player ever.

The margins are slim when comparing guys in this group. So while I completely agree that Giannis is firmly one if the best ever… the question is how great is he actually. Each year we get a little more evidence.

For example, if Giannis had stayed healthy, played great, and won a title this year… he’d be in my top 15 for sure… a tier above guys like Dirk and KG…etc.

But getting hurt, missing games, and not getting a single win against this Heat team gives me new data on the expected value of Giannis as my best player for his career. He’s now either missed crucial games or underperformed in 3 of the last 4 playoffs. That matters.

Again, he’s already done enough to cement himself in the Dirk range of player… the question is how high he can go… and it’s important to remember how much those other guys accomplished. Because while I love Giannis… I haven’t seen two trips to the finals yet or him leading an inferior cast by a team like Dirk did against Duncan in 06. He’s got real shit left to do… especially with a team this good around him.

[WhiteKyrie]

21 / 8 / 2 >>> 27 / 7 / 4

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[DMAVS41]

KD is obviously better than Dirk. Stop.

1 MVP, 1 Chip, 1 Finals MVP (should’ve been Terry)

Is better than

1 MVP, 2, Chips, 2 Finals MVPs?

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Your fandom is clouding your judgement. KD never lost to an 8th seed while leading a 1 seed, either.

I disagree from a purely basketball impact standpoint, but of course I am open to being wrong. I’d like to see KD lead a team before I entertain it for real. All I’ve seen from KD is an inability to lead a franchise to date.

If you weigh winning on the Warriors heavily, cool.., just know it means nothing to me and nothing to most.

I hope he actually does win with the Suns so I can be more ok with his all-time ranking.

[Axe]

I disagree from a purely basketball impact standpoint, but of course I am open to being wrong. I’d like to see KD lead a team before I entertain it for real. All I’ve seen from KD is an inability to lead a franchise to date.

If you weigh winning on the Warriors heavily, cool.., just know it means nothing to me and nothing to most.

I hope he actually does win with the Suns so I can be more ok with his all-time ranking.
:applause:

[DMAVS41]

:applause:

Isn’t it funny that the guy supposedly way better needs way more help to win?

Always confused by that.

[BallsOut]

Isn’t it funny that the guy supposedly way better needs way more help to win?

Always confused by that.

It’s pretty funny when you consider Lebron has been that guy his entire career.

[WhiteKyrie]

It’s pretty funny when you consider Lebron has been that guy his entire career.

Touche. KD needed more help per se (even though he almost single handedly did it in 2021) but he at least went back to back and got 2 Finals MVPs and out played LeBron James at his position. And Dirk doesn’t get his ring if LeBron doesn’t blatantly quit and or severely under perform in 2011.

[HoopologyPhD]

Too much PEDs in too short of time led to injuries and a real regression in his progress this year.
Might have to do an MJ and take a few years off.

[WhiteKyrie]

Too much PEDs in too short of time led to injuries and a real regression in his progress this year.
Might have to do an MJ and take a few years off.

You got to be exhausted from winning three straight championships to do that, which hasn’t been done in quite some time.

Shaq and Kobe probably shouldn’t have even three peated, but got some odd referee assistance

[fsvr54]

Biggest media job of all time. He is not a good basketball player

[Axe]

You got to be exhausted from winning three straight championships to do that, which hasn’t been done in quite some time.

Shaq and Kobe probably shouldn’t have even three peated, but got some odd referee assistance
Stop this utter nonsense. Jordan had 1.5 years of load management due to his gambling suspension yet his team still made the playoffs in 1994 while he was gone.

[BigShotBob]

Stop this utter nonsense. Jordan had 1.5 years of load management due to his gambling suspension yet his team still made the playoffs in 1994 while he was gone.

MJ wasn't on vacation sippin' on pina coladas in Cancun. He was playing a different sport. The complete opposite of load management.

[ArbitraryWater]

Same thing that happens most of the time for everyone who isn’t Bill Russell. Even more likely if you land on your back and miss two and three-quarter games and your team loses two of them. This is one of those situations people can set out to troll, but know there is nothing happening of consequence. You’re free to think so at the moment, but losing a series you missed three games of I don’t believe has ever really been talked about for anybody.

Not that that matters either. If he had played every game and lost, it wouldn’t much matter. Well, it would matter as much as what Dirk did in some random year. And you haven’t given any thought to whatever happened to Dirk in 2008.

He was a first ballot Hall of Famer even before he dropped 50 on your team to win the title and complete a résumé that already had two MVPs and a defensive player of the year on it.

he won the title at like 25. No matter what happened he was going to lose nine or 10 more times. That’s how it works. You lose most of the time. Most of your career never gets mentioned again.

Even truly devastating defeats like when you win 65 games, then lose game seven at home by like 40 points don’t really get remembered. One or two wins drown out everything else historically. But no matter who the player is haters get so far in the rabbit hole they’re happy to keep hating like they havent already been proven wrong, whenever the subject of the hate loses, because the easiest way to look smart in the world is to predict failure in a sport 95% of teams will fail every year.

Bill Russell is literally the only significant player I can think of in all major American sports a hater wouldn’t be right more often than not if they simply predicted failure and coming up short every single year. Maybe yogi Berra? I think he won 10 World Series, but he probably played more than 20 years.

You put missing more than half of the series on top of it? Pretty sure his legacy can take it. Way better players than he is had much worse losses without missing half the series. Fact is he’s already done everything there is to do.

it’s like if Dirk had won that title in 2006. Nothing the haters had to say in 2008 would even be remembered. Hell nothing the haters said in 2008 is remembered anyway. Right now the entirety of his legacy is some insane numbers, a bunch of awards, a ridiculous block and a transition dunk in the finals and putting your whole state in the scorpion death lock for the title.

Your career recap gets like three sentences in retrospect. His is already written, and can only be added to. Barring an O.J. Simpson like post career, he’s already set. Him, LeBron, and Steph are the only people in the league who can say that. Kevin Durant as well to basketball people but maybe not the general public.

Hes already done it all.


curious as to why your brain thinks Dirk had the first round thing happen 2 years after the finas and not in 07 :lol

[Axe]

MJ wasn't on vacation sippin' on pina coladas in Cancun. He was playing a different sport. The complete opposite of load management.
And his team still made the playoffs after winning 55 games while he's gone.

[Jasper]

i thot he was really good. @kblaze, any input breh?

boy Giannis is definitely in your head..

What ever happened to ISH's option to block a poster ???

[Jasper]

listen OG, you'll never come to accept the idea but just think on it. Yannis isn't skilled. i said it to you a month a go, you wrote the same things...notthing i say changed the fax..etc. but he truily is the most garbage "superstar" ever. no actual skill.

Kblaze how can I block this idiot from any of my posts or threads ????

[ArbitraryWater]

Kblaze how can I block this idiot from any of my posts or threads ????

poopsie?

[fourkicks44]

Kblaze how can I block this idiot from any of my posts or threads ????

It's his thread you are posting in.

[highwhey]

Kblaze how can I block this idiot from any of my posts or threads ????

https://em-content.zobj.net/thumbs/72/apple/354/smiling-face-with-horns_1f608.png

[BigShotBob]

And his team still made the playoffs after winning 55 games while he's gone.

I'm glad they won a 55 game ring

[TheMan]

op is some obese beamer who doesn’t know ball and copy pastes low iq takes from reddit

So he's a BMW?

[Axe]

I'm glad they won a 55 game ring
It's good they got past the first round, at least.

[WhiteKyrie]

You're dumb. Kyrie isn't winning anything anymore with his immature antics.

You triggered by facts, my boy?!