Bucks Rofl! Rank who is to BLAME

[Noyze]

Rank these 1 to 5. Add anything I missed

Giannis
Bud
Grayson Allen
Team Missed Freethorws
Jrue

[RRR3]

Bud hands down. Idiot had a timeout at the end of regulation and didn't call it despite them needing it to advance the ball. He legit forgot :oldlol: Then had TWO timeouts at the end of regulation to draw play and didn't call a single one, leading to a disjointed play that cost them the game. Allen is a complete moron for not getting the shot off though so he's second.

[ImKobe]

Bud #1

You don't have B2B collapses like that without it being on the coach. Wastes a challenge a few minutes into the game on Giannis' 1st foul (which was a good call & a dumb challenge). Doesn't call timeouts when his team is blowing the game. Leaves a timeout on the table with 0.8 left in the 4th and just goes OT.. doesn't use timeouts in OT either. Doesn't double Jimmy for most of the series. Giannis at least has the injury excuse and he played well enough to win Games 4 & 5.

[DMAVS41]

Bud, not close.

I'm a big defender of Giannis, but this was bad as well in terms of him getting the historical positioning I and others think he deserves. It would be one thing if they were just getting run off the court and the games weren't that close, but to lose in 5 with your team getting the only win in the game you didn't play....ugh, that is going to prevent him from getting the kind of talk I thought he would after this season.

As much as I like him...rightfully so...he has a great supporting cast and he couldn't even get a game off the Heat. Not a good look.

[1987_Lakers]

I'll give Giannis a pass since he wasn't 100% percent. Most of the blame goes to Bud.

[highwhey]

giannis by a long stretch. anyone claiming otherwise can choke on my c0ck.

[B.L.M.Activist]

Butler is to blame.

He dropped 56 to take a 3-1 lead and then went nuts in the 4th in a game they shouldn't have won.

He willed them to closing this series in 5 when Bucks should've won comfortably in 6.

[hold this L]

Bud, not close.

I'm a big defender of Giannis, but this was bad as well in terms of him getting the historical positioning I and others think he deserves. It would be one thing if they were just getting run off the court and the games weren't that close, but to lose in 5 with your team getting the only win in the game you didn't play....ugh, that is going to prevent him from getting the kind of talk I thought he would after this season.

As much as I like him...rightfully so...he has a great supporting cast and he couldn't even get a game off the Heat. Not a good look.
People have been overrating the shit out of Giannis for the longest time. Giannis is a top 25 all time great and will probably finish top 15, but he is one of the worst all time great half court players I've ever seen, if not the worst. I still laugh my ass off when there's 5 minutes left and they sometimes give him the ball like he's some elite playmaker or high IQ guy. His only move is fouling through people towards the hoop.

Saying that, Bud of course deserves the #1 blame, he should probably get fired after tonight. The question is outside of Vogel, I don't see a single other good option out there. Bucks need someone else outside of Jrue and stop pretending Giannis can do it.

[hold this L]

Butler is to blame.

He dropped 56 to take a 3-1 lead and then went nuts in the 4th in a game they shouldn't have won.

He willed them to closing this series in 5 when Bucks should've won comfortably in 6.
Himmy Buttler

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[fourkicks44]

giannis by a long stretch. anyone claiming otherwise can choke on my c0ck.

:oldlol:

Anyone see that one play where he picked up his dribble, took 5 steps, tried to buldoze Bam, ran into Bam's chest, took a further 3 steps and then the refs called a foul on Bam.

Muth f'cka still choked..

[DMAVS41]

People have been overrating the shit out of Giannis for the longest time. Giannis is a top 25 all time great and will probably finish top 15, but he is one of the worst all time great half court players I've ever seen, if not the worst. I still laugh my ass off when there's 5 minutes left and they sometimes give him the ball like he's some elite playmaker or high IQ guy. His only move is fouling through people towards the hoop.

Saying that, Bud of course deserves the #1 blame, he should probably get fired after tonight. The question is outside of Vogel, I don't see a single other good option out there. Bucks need someone else outside of Jrue and stop pretending Giannis can do it.

Who is overrating him in your mind if you think he's top 25 and potentially good enough to end his career in the top 15? I don't think I've ever seen anyone argue he's higher than that right now.

Anyone with a brain knows he is an all-time great player and in that tier you put him in...the question is how great is his impact...and while this series won't hurt his ranking ultimately...it rightfully will prevent him from going up a tier until he does other shit....because sometimes it as simple as...if Giannis is as good as I and others think he is....the results will line up with that...and in this series...they absolutely didn't. Doesn't define his career, of course, but he has a damn near perfect supporting cast for him and not leading your team to even one win against this Heat team is a terrible look....even worse because the games were close imo.

[PP34Deuce]

Bud has to go. 2 years over due.

Giannis at 80% showed us where his skills lack. Once he got hurt credit to him coming back but you could tell he couldn't bully like he usually does and it showed where his skill needs improvement mentally.

Jrue emotionally was destroyed. I saw Matthew's with more size and match up guard butler better but jrue kept fanning him off because he took it so personal.

Bucks are going to take a step back to move forward. Gotta trade either khris or jrue and retool the guard lineup.

Greyson, ingles, and pat aren't starters. You need a KCP/Reaves/hart glue starter with consistency.

Brook eventually will decline..need to get a cheap energy big.

[SouBeachTalents]

That honestly might be the worst I've seen a coach cost his team. The only one that comes close is Pop in 2013, but even that doesn't come close to Bud inexplicably refusing to call a timeout both at the end of regulation AND at the end of OT, while not doubling Butler consistently.

[highwhey]

:oldlol:

Anyone see that one play where he picked up his dribble, took 5 steps, tried to buldoze Bam, ran into Bam's chest, took a further 3 steps and then the refs called a foul on Bam.

Muth f'cka still choked..

its almost like the dude isn't actually skilled like the other superstars.

[PP34Deuce]

Who is overrating him in your mind if you think he's top 25 and potentially good enough to end his career in the top 15? I don't think I've ever seen anyone argue he's higher than that right now.

Anyone with a brain knows he is an all-time great player and in that tier you put him in...the question is how great is his impact...and while this series won't hurt his ranking ultimately...it rightfully will prevent him from going up a tier until he does other shit....because sometimes it as simple as...if Giannis is as good as I and others think he is....the results will line up with that...and in this series...they absolutely didn't. Doesn't define his career, of course, but he has a damn near perfect supporting cast for him and not leading your team to even one win against this Heat team is a terrible look....even worse because the games were close imo.

I saw Giannis revert to pre 2021 giannis. He had charges...broke jumper.. no confidence in shooting

[hold this L]

Who is overrating him in your mind if you think he's top 25 and potentially good enough to end his career in the top 15? I don't think I've ever seen anyone argue he's higher than that right now.

Anyone with a brain knows he is an all-time great player and in that tier you put him in...the question is how great is his impact...and while this series won't hurt his ranking ultimately...it rightfully will prevent him from going up a tier until he does other shit....because sometimes it as simple as...if Giannis is as good as I and others think he is....the results will line up with that...and in this series...they absolutely didn't. Doesn't define his career, of course, but he has a damn near perfect supporting cast for him and not leading your team to even one win against this Heat team is a terrible look....even worse because the games were close imo.

In general him being the consensus best player in the world. You can't be that if you can't run half court offense. There's exceptions like Shaq but he was so dominant. Giannis gets carried by refs all the time that it's obnoxious. If they called him the right way, he would foul out of every game 2 times.

I agree with you that this won't hurt his impact, it just won't elevate him further.

[Axe]

Got bounced by a freaking play-in team. :facepalm

[Noyze]

Bud #1

You don't have B2B collapses like that without it being on the coach. Wastes a challenge a few minutes into the game on Giannis' 1st foul (which was a good call & a dumb challenge). Doesn't call timeouts when his team is blowing the game. Leaves a timeout on the table with 0.8 left in the 4th and just goes OT.. doesn't use timeouts in OT either. Doesn't double Jimmy for most of the series. Giannis at least has the injury excuse and he played well enough to win Games 4 & 5.

Good point. Funny thing I saw was around 0:45 left in regulation. Giannis was pushing the ball on the right side of the court after a Jimmy Butler missed elbow, he slows down a sec and looks Buds way for a play. Coach doesn't have anything ready and just trys to tell Lopez to spread out, Middleton has to tell Giannis to go. Turns into a near broken play where the Bucks get lucky and Keviin Love fouls out on Middleton. Anyone see that???

[RRR3]

That honestly might be the worst I've seen a coach cost his team. The only one that comes close is Pop in 2013, but even that doesn't come close to Bud inexplicably refusing to call a timeout both at the end of regulation AND at the end of OT, while not doubling Butler consistently.
Mike Stupidholzer

[hold this L]

That honestly might be the worst I've seen a coach cost his team. The only one that comes close is Pop in 2013, but even that doesn't come close to Bud inexplicably refusing to call a timeout both at the end of regulation AND at the end of OT, while not doubling Butler consistently.

This is the same coach that put a washed 35 year old dude guard one of the best shooters and scorers of all time go 1v1 in a 7 game series in 2021.

[RRR3]

This is the same coach that put a washed 35 year old dude guard one of the best shooters and scorers of all time go 1v1 in a 7 game series in 2021.
That series is over in 5 if Bud doubles KD. Just insanely bad coaching.

[coin24]

:oldlol:

Anyone see that one play where he picked up his dribble, took 5 steps, tried to buldoze Bam, ran into Bam's chest, took a further 3 steps and then the refs called a foul on Bam.

Muth f'cka still choked..



Yeah that was the icing on the cake:lol

10 for 24 at the line was it? Gtfoh, gianus is a scrub like he always has been.

[Axe]

Bud #1

You don't have B2B collapses like that without it being on the coach. Wastes a challenge a few minutes into the game on Giannis' 1st foul (which was a good call & a dumb challenge). Doesn't call timeouts when his team is blowing the game. Leaves a timeout on the table with 0.8 left in the 4th and just goes OT.. doesn't use timeouts in OT either. Doesn't double Jimmy for most of the series. Giannis at least has the injury excuse and he played well enough to win Games 4 & 5.
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He led these four guys to the all-star with another team 8 years ago. Only for them to suffer an ugly fate in the playoffs.

[PAOK]

Giannis was bad, Jrue took it personal and got abused by Jimmy, Allen was his usual useless self,

BUT its gotta be Bud. He simply could not have been any worse than than. No playcalling, no defensive adjustments, NO TIMEOUTS.. its like basic stuff

[ArbitraryWater]

Bud has to go. 2 years over due.

Giannis at 80% showed us where his skills lack. Once he got hurt credit to him coming back but you could tell he couldn't bully like he usually does and it showed where his skill needs improvement mentally.

Jrue emotionally was destroyed. I saw Matthew's with more size and match up guard butler better but jrue kept fanning him off because he took it so personal.

Bucks are going to take a step back to move forward. Gotta trade either khris or jrue and retool the guard lineup.

Greyson, ingles, and pat aren't starters. You need a KCP/Reaves/hart glue starter with consistency.

Brook eventually will decline..need to get a cheap energy big.

he coud go now but you dont eave a coach go after a tite or just 1 year after it. stop it. especiay since they did very we ast year without Middeton.

[Axe]

It's a personal opinion but i really think this team would have stood a chance in surviving at least via better defensive strategies only if they were coached by nick nurse instead, unlike the lazy baldenholzer who's only formidable in the rs.

Game 4 should have served as a wake-up call for him and it's utterly pathetic that the team still ended up collapsing even if they were already receiving bail outs from the refs. If their FO doesn't replace him for the next season, then good luck.

[tontoz]

Bud for sure. Completely oblivious.

[Wally450]

Khris Middleton. He was supposed to be the difference.

[Naero]

Easily Budenholzer. He's had as laughably bad of a series as I can remember. So many fundamental mistakes that even casuals could point out.

No timeouts (despite having two left) to set up potentially game-winning or -tying shots at the end of regulation and OT. Yanking out Lopez, our best rim-protector, two seconds before Butler's game-tying alley-oop. Not to mention, his general laissez-faire approach: he lets the offense its own course when spamming three-pointers and isos clearly isn't working.

He's also shown to be overrated as a defensive coach. This isn't the first time he refused to double the opponent's lone superstar; and while I don't want to discredit Butler's performance, the fact is he capitalized on faulty single coverage. He at least shouldn't have looked Jordan-esque these past-two games with a better defensive scheme.

Next is Giannis. I don't think he had an execrable series outside of his FT-shooting, but I completely understand the flak he's getting. It's never a good luck for the consensus BITW to fail to win a single game in the first round, injured or not. At the very least, all his missed free throws were inexcusable, and a few more makes from the line would've eked out at least one more win in this series. I wouldn't at all blame him for failing to win a championship this year (our talent level is overrated relative to other title-contenders), but we really should've extended—if not won—this series if it weren't for his shooting woes.

Plus, he doesn't appear to have the locker-room leadership needed out of our franchise player. He seems to overtrust his coach, no matter how incompetent. Not saying he should usurp him and become the de-facto coach, but he should at least be self-thinking enough to realize Bud's oversights and intervene where needed: how none of the players called a timeout at the end of the game when Bud refused to do so, for example, is beyond me.

It doesn't help that the roster of the roster did little to overcome those two, though I don't know how drastically we should retool them (if that's even feasible). I wouldn't have anyone other than Giannis as our franchise player, but it's clear we need a new head coach and at least more complementary role-players to mask some of his deficiencies.

[Jasper]

100 percent Bud

But Giannis , when doesn't bend his knee's misses free throws.

Whole team at fault , but cOACH BUD NEEDS TO BE FIRED.

I am serious, no questions at all.

How to fix :

Bobby (hands down defender) Carter , Grayson A , and possibly Pat C. need to be packaged to get a guy like Bridges or Beal

Nurse should immediately get picked up or Ham when Lakers season is over.

[RRR3]

Easily Budenholzer. He's had as laughably bad of a series as I can remember. So many fundamental mistakes that even casuals could point out.

No timeouts (despite having two left) to set up potentially game-winning or -tying shots at the end of regulation and OT. Yanking out Lopez, our best rim-protector, two seconds before Butler's game-tying alley-oop. Not to mention, his general laissez-faire approach: he lets the offense its own course when spamming three-pointers and isos clearly isn't working.

He's also shown to be overrated as a defensive coach. This isn't the first time he refused to double the opponent's lone superstar; and while I don't want to discredit Butler's performance, the fact is he capitalized on faulty single coverage. He at least shouldn't have looked Jordan-esque these past-two games with a better defensive scheme.

Next is Giannis. I don't think he had an execrable series outside of his FT-shooting, but I completely understand the flak he's getting. It's never a good luck for the consensus BITW to fail to win a single game in the first round, injured or not. At the very least, all his missed free throws were inexcusable, and a few more makes from the line would've eked out at least one more win in this series. I wouldn't at all blame him for failing to win a championship this year (our talent level is overrated relative to other title-contenders), but we really should've extended—if not won—this series if it weren't for his shooting woes.

Plus, he doesn't appear to have the locker-room leadership needed out of our franchise player. He seems to overtrust his coach, no matter how incompetent. Not saying he should usurp him and become the de-facto coach, but he should at least be self-thinking enough to realize Bud's oversights and intervene where needed: how none of the players called a timeout at the end of the game when Bud refused to do so, for example, is beyond me.

It doesn't help that the roster of the roster did little to overcome those two, though I don't know how drastically we should retool them (if that's even feasible). I wouldn't have anyone other than Giannis as our franchise player, but it's clear we need a new head coach and at least more complementary role-players to mask some of his deficiencies.
Why do you keep calling Giannis the “consensus BITW”? That has never been true for him.

[Axe]

So it was revealed recently that coach bud was mourning for one of his brothers who died in a car accident that was said to happen before game 4. I understand that losing a sibling badly hurts but if he was so devastated, why didn't he just assign his top assistant coach to take his role instead? Especially in must-win games. He just allowed this distraction to inevitably destroy his team in game 5, which also left the league wondering why he made those careless decisions. Unless he intended to make it happen that way because he was already planning on stepping down as coach and this was his biggest chance. But did the management hear of the news in the middle of the series or not? If so, did they not allow him to be absent while he's grieving about it? And why did the news only spread two days after the conclusion of game 5? There must be some mysterious story behind this.

[Jasper]

So it was revealed recently that coach bud was mourning for one of his brothers who died in a car accident that was said to happen before game 4. I understand that losing a sibling badly hurts but if he was so devastated, why didn't he just assign his top assistant coach to take his role instead? Especially in must-win games. He just allowed this distraction to inevitably destroy his team in game 5, which also left the league wondering why he made those careless decisions. Unless he intended to make it happen that way because he was already planning on stepping down as coach and this was his biggest chance. But did the management hear of the news in the middle of the series or not? If so, did they not allow him to be absent while he's grieving about it? And why did the news only spread two days after the conclusion of game 5? There must be some mysterious story behind this.

Its non of our business what happens to sports families... but the media eats it up....pretty sad
Coach Bud should not of coached game 4