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Walk on Water
04-28-2023, 08:53 PM
Even KD could not come very that to Jordan’s scoring average. And Jordan played in a much slower era and took very little 3s.

It’s ironic. Even with todays inflated stats, people still can’t average more than Jordan for their career.

ImKobe
04-28-2023, 08:59 PM
He's the GOAT for a reason man. Led the league in scoring (either ppg or total pts) every full season of his career in Chicago.

Full Court
04-28-2023, 09:33 PM
He'd average 40 in this stat-inflated era.

SATAN
04-28-2023, 09:43 PM
Being guarded by retired firefighters and tax accountants must have been tough.

Xiao Yao You
04-28-2023, 09:52 PM
He'd average 40 in this stat-inflated era.

He'd be playing baseball. NBA would be too easy for him today

warriorfan
04-28-2023, 10:16 PM
He'd be playing baseball. NBA would be too easy for him today

This. He would 3 peat averaging 40 ppg and then be over it

Spurs m8
04-28-2023, 10:51 PM
He'd average 40 in this stat-inflated era.

At least.

At the absolute very least.

AlternativeAcc.
04-28-2023, 10:57 PM
So is Wilts.

Plumbers ball stats aren't taken seriously tho.

Spurs m8
04-28-2023, 11:00 PM
So is Wilts.

Plumbers ball stats aren't taken seriously tho.

This guy is ALWAYS fuming

Consensus GOAT, virgin...NOTHING you can do to change that..or your virginity

And1AllDay
04-29-2023, 12:12 AM
well he played vs plumbers so....

Keno
04-29-2023, 12:50 AM
it was a watered down/expansion era, nothing too impressive

Prometheus
04-29-2023, 03:28 AM
I honestly think if late '80s Michael Jordan was dropped right into today's NBA, as long as he was surrounded by 3&D players, he would stand out even more than he did in his own era. 41/9/5 is a reasonable estimate of what he could do.

He's the best scorer of all time by a considerable margin. The GOAT of the sport. It is what it is.

RRR3
04-29-2023, 03:39 AM
I honestly think if late '80s Michael Jordan was dropped right into today's NBA, as long as he was surrounded by 3&D players, he would stand out even more than he did in his own era. 41/9/5 is a reasonable estimate of what he could do.

He's the best scorer of all time by a considerable margin. The GOAT of the sport. It is what it is.
No one plays enough minutes to average 41. 36-37 is about the max considering people aren’t gonna score more than a point per minute.

Lebron23
04-29-2023, 03:41 AM
He played against a bunch of Hornaceks, and Starks. Weak level of Competitions

highwhey
04-29-2023, 03:50 AM
I honestly think if late '80s Michael Jordan was dropped right into today's NBA, as long as he was surrounded by 3&D players, he would stand out even more than he did in his own era. 41/9/5 is a reasonable estimate of what he could do.

He's the best scorer of all time by a considerable margin. The GOAT of the sport. It is what it is.

yeah...no. go back into retirement promy.

KD is the best scorer EVER.

Trollsmasher
04-29-2023, 04:47 AM
Not surprising - he chucked more shots than anyone else

Prometheus
04-29-2023, 05:01 AM
yeah...no. go back into retirement promy.

KD is the best scorer EVER.

If you disagree about these hypothetical numbers, that's understandable. But Durant has no argument over Jordan as a scorer.

highwhey
04-29-2023, 05:23 AM
If you disagree about these hypothetical numbers, that's understandable. But Durant has no argument over Jordan as a scorer.

are you dumb? have you a recent traumatic brain injury? as anything else? jordan has him beat...defender, team leader, etc. but scoring? KD is that MAN.

Axe
04-29-2023, 05:42 AM
If you disagree about these hypothetical numbers, that's understandable. But Durant has no argument over Jordan as a scorer.
Kd can shoot from anywhere better, i think. Especially in the 3pt line.

Sportal
04-29-2023, 07:20 AM
Wtf would Jordan do with teams like the Bucks, when he's struggling with players like Payton at 6'1 and playing Starks at 6'3... The players that defended Jordan in the 90s, Jordan literally had everything on those defenders, he was a match-up nightmare for the 90s. Really not that much in the 2023. He'll still get 25-30 absolutely. But he's shooting 18-25 times a night.

Johnny32
04-29-2023, 07:57 AM
lil mikey was a chucker for the ages. imagine anyone taking 28 fga per gm like mj in 1987. i guess you could get away with that in the dino era surrounded by unskilled bigs. not in today's era with highly skilled offensive players at every position.

Johnny32
04-29-2023, 07:59 AM
If you disagree about these hypothetical numbers, that's understandable. But Durant has no argument over Jordan as a scorer.

lol.

Xiao Yao You
04-29-2023, 08:25 AM
Wtf would Jordan do with teams like the Bucks, when he's struggling with players like Payton at 6'1 and playing Starks at 6'3... The players that defended Jordan in the 90s, Jordan literally had everything on those defenders, he was a match-up nightmare for the 90s. Really not that much in the 2023. He'll still get 25-30 absolutely. But he's shooting 18-25 times a night.

now the plumbers are shrinking :lol

3ba11
04-29-2023, 09:11 AM
He's the GOAT for a reason man. Led the league in scoring (either ppg or total pts) every full season of his career in Chicago.





Oh I see... So he NEEDED chicago then... that's what you're saying.. you're saying he couldn't do anything without that damn chicago jersey on... smh... :facepalm:

^^^ lebron fan logic

Prometheus
04-29-2023, 09:34 AM
are you dumb? have you a recent traumatic brain injury? as anything else? jordan has him beat...defender, team leader, etc. but scoring? KD is that MAN.

Jordan is the clear-cut greatest scorer in NBA history. The evidence is very clear on this - only a superficial argument can be made for Wilt, and it is an argument which is easily picked apart by adding only a small amount of context and reasoning to the numbers. No one else has an argument - based on the evidence and facts.


Kd can shoot from anywhere better, i think. Especially in the 3pt line.

Durant is a much better three-point shooter (although this is a moot point, and a question of era), and is also a slightly better free throw shooter. But in the midrange, they are both so elite that there is no discernible difference. However, Jordan was better at attacking and putting pressure on the defensive interior by such a stupidly wide margin.

Anyway, this is the wrong way to try and think about who is a better scorer. Nowitski was obviously a better shooter than Shaq in every aspect of shooting - but peak Shaq was clearly a better scorer. We look at per-possession volume, TS% relative to era, resiliency (how a player's scoring holds up against the best defenses), consistency in the playoffs as compared with the regular season, and overall how this player performed relative to his contemporaries. These are the pieces of evidence to look at when comparing scorers - the facts.


Wtf would Jordan do with teams like the Bucks, when he's struggling with players like Payton at 6'1 and playing Starks at 6'3... The players that defended Jordan in the 90s, Jordan literally had everything on those defenders, he was a match-up nightmare for the 90s. Really not that much in the 2023. He'll still get 25-30 absolutely. But he's shooting 18-25 times a night.

Jordan did not struggle against these players. You don't know what you're talking about, or you're trolling. Jordan's scoring game had legendary resiliency - suffering little-to-no decrease in volume or efficiency vs. even the best defenses. The Pistons dented him slightly. That's about it. And no, we are not using a 3-game sample size from 1996 (post-prime anyway) as serious evidence.


lil mikey was a chucker for the ages. imagine anyone taking 28 fga per gm like mj in 1987. i guess you could get away with that in the dino era surrounded by unskilled bigs. not in today's era with highly skilled offensive players at every position.

If James Harden can lead a high-quality offense in 2019 with 24.5 fga, then Jordan can replicate his 1987 volume with 27.8 or more. The meta revolves around superstars more than ever, especially since LeBron ushered in the heliocentric style. I don't care much for hypotheticals, but it is very easy to imagine that prime MJ would be a heliocentric focal point if he played today. Let him handle the ball, surround him with good spacing, and let him relentlessly attack the rim. Very simple and unstoppable.