The greatest point guard of all time.

[Mask the Embiid]

That did it for me…..dingo’d

[Full Court]

That did it for me…..dingo’d

Not quite there yet.

If he wins the championship this year, which I'll be very surprised if he pulls it off, then I'll put him ahead of Magic.

[Carbine]

He's not a point guard. That's not his play style.

If you do consider him a point guard, then you must consider LeBron a point guard as well which would eliminate Curry from best point guard ever considering LeBron is at worst #2 all time overall as a player behind MJ.

[Mask the Embiid]

He's not a point guard. That's not his play style.

If you do consider him a point guard, then you must consider LeBron a point guard as well which would eliminate Curry from best point guard ever considering LeBron is at worst #2 all time overall as a player behind MJ.

The team has listed him at pg at every of his career….he’s a pg

Lebron had been listed at SF 18 out of 20 years of his career…..he’s a SF. Now he did win a ring as a PG in 2020 but the bulk of his career was at SF

[3ba11]

He's not a point guard. That's not his play style.

If you do consider him a point guard, then you must consider LeBron a point guard as well which would eliminate Curry from best point guard ever considering LeBron is at worst #2 all time overall as a player behind MJ.


That's the beauty of it - the goat PG wasn't actually a PG despite being an all-time ball-handler/passer - but he played the way that maximized ball movement/ strategic capacity / coaching, teammate development and fits/chemistry, which yielded the highest team ceilings of all-time as did other expert jumpshooters like MJ or Kobe or Bird (winning more with less)

[warriorfan]

That did it for me…..dingo’d

we’ve seen enough…

it has been decided

dingo’d

[tpols]

He's not a point guard. That's not his play style.

If you do consider him a point guard, then you must consider LeBron a point guard as well which would eliminate Curry from best point guard ever considering LeBron is at worst #2 all time overall as a player behind MJ.

He's literally played point guard his entire career. This is a dumb take. You can be great off ball and still be a point guard.

[basketballcat]

Better than Magic? :facepalm

[3ba11]

Better than Magic? :facepalm


passers like Magic or Lebron need all-time scorers to pass to and a passer's need for scoring help is exacerbated by being too ball-dominant at carry-job volume to beat top teams.

For example, Magic was massively-upset when he tried to carry the scoring load against KJ's Suns in 1990, which was similar to Lebron losing the 2009 ECF and therefore never beating a top 5 SRS team with poor scoring and efficiency from a sidekick (no carry-jobs vs top teams in 2 decades).

Otoh, expert jumpshooters like Curry, Kobe, or MJ can score 40 while the ball moves and teammates assist them, so their superior brand can beat top teams at carry-job volume and therefore win with less scoring help, aka secondary-producing sidekicks that can't achieve elite averages like Wiggins or Pau, which forces the 1st option to defeat maximum defensive attention (carry scoring load on championship level).

In addition to carrying the scoring load and therefore needing less scoring help, expert jumpshooters also need less help because they don't impose spot-up roles, so their skillset has the teammate development, fits and strategic capacity/coaching to win organically.. Otoh, Lebron's imposition of spot-up roles stall young players, thereby needing ready-made stars to win (can't win organically via chemistry & teammate development, so he needs more help).

[RRR3]

I’d have to see impact data for Magic to be sure but Curry is definitely going to beat him in total career value.

[tpols]

Better than Magic? :facepalm

If curry got to play with Kareem and James Worthy he would have broken the game. Magic is awesome though and it's definitely a discussion.

[Manny98]

Easily, Magic is the better floor general and playmaker obviously but Currys offensive gravity and scoring ability make him better overall offensively

[3ba11]

I’d have to see impact data for Magic to be sure but Curry is definitely going to beat him in total career value.


Curry needs far less help to win... So he's better.. That will always be the primary criteria for who is better (who's skills needs less help)

[L.Kizzle]

He's not a point guard. That's not his play style.

If you do consider him a point guard, then you must consider LeBron a point guard as well which would eliminate Curry from best point guard ever considering LeBron is at worst #2 all time overall as a player behind MJ.
So, who the Warriors PG if not Steph?

[IllegalD]

If curry got to play with Kareem and James Worthy he would have broken the game. Magic is awesome though and it's definitely a discussion.

And if Magic got to play with KD, Klay, Draymond, Iggy, Wiggins...?

[Phoenix]

He's not a point guard. That's not his play style.

If you do consider him a point guard, then you must consider LeBron a point guard as well which would eliminate Curry from best point guard ever considering LeBron is at worst #2 all time overall as a player behind MJ.

If you rounded up all the top 10 point guards all-time, none of their playstyles are alike. If you showed footage to someone new to basketball of Bob Cousy and Tim Hardaway, that person would think they played different positions as well. As far as the passage of time and evolution of the PG position, Curry is as far removed from Hardaway as Tim was from Cousy.

Steph is a PG with otherworldly scoring/shooting skills. You don't take what he does and have him play like John Stockton. He's inverted the idea of a PG 'making others better' through his off-ball movement and gravity.

[Carbine]

That's all fine and dandy, but then you must consider LeBron a point guard. He was the high volume play maker for every year on any team he has ever played for.

Just watching him play, he's the PG. If you think Mario Chalmers was the PG because he was listed as it we just aren't going to agree on this.

I've been hearing Lebron is the modern day Magic with Uber athletic ability since the beginning of his career. He'sba modern PG as much as Steph is.

[ArbitraryWater]

Better than Magic? :facepalm

what are you facepalming at?

[Im so nba'd out]

That's all fine and dandy, but then you must consider LeBron a point guard. He was the high volume play maker for every year on any team he has ever played for.

Just watching him play, he's the PG. If you think Mario Chalmers was the PG because he was listed as it we just aren't going to agree on this.

I've been hearing Lebron is the modern day Magic with Uber athletic ability since the beginning of his career. He'sba modern PG as much as Steph is.

If you want to name Lebron the best pg that’s fine…They are both over magic then… so you just did the opposite of what you wanted and moved magic even farther down the list to #3 :oldlol:….and dingo was his name o :applause:

[Phoenix]

That's all fine and dandy, but then you must consider LeBron a point guard. He was the high volume play maker for every year on any team he has ever played for.

Just watching him play, he's the PG. If you think Mario Chalmers was the PG because he was listed as it we just aren't going to agree on this.

I've been hearing Lebron is the modern day Magic with Uber athletic ability since the beginning of his career. He'sba modern PG as much as Steph is.

What's happened is long ago we set up 'traditional' roles for each position and mold-breakers obscure the conversation as the game evolves, rules change, and skills end up in positions and player types they didn't 30 years ago. Hell we may as well consider Giannis a point guard given his assist numbers and how much he handles the ball? What about Draymond leading the Warriors in assists every year? Or Joker dropping 10 dimes a game this year? it's quite the rabbit hole we're digging.

[tpols]

If you want to name Lebron the best pg that’s fine…They are both over magic then… so you just did the opposite of what you wanted and moved magic even farther down the list to #3 :oldlol:….and dingo was his name o :applause:

:roll:

[1987_Lakers]

What's happened is long ago we set up 'traditional' roles for each position and mold-breakers obscure the conversation as the game evolves, rules change, and skills end up in positions and player types they didn't 30 years ago. Hell we may as well consider Giannis a point guard given his assist numbers and how much he handles the ball? What about Draymond leading the Warriors in assists every year? Or Joker dropping 10 dimes a game this year? it's quite the rabbit hole we're digging.

I agree with this. You never know what you are gonna get with Carbine, could be something insightful or some off the wall observation. :lol

[Im so nba'd out]

https://i.postimg.cc/8zXpZwTp/IMG-9268.gif


https://youtu.be/Ag1o3koTLWM

[Carbine]

It's hard to say that.

To properly speak on Magic you'd have to be 55+ years old right now to have lived through that and understood basketball enough to appreciate what you were watching.

But what I do know is how generally players are ranked Magic has more:

MVPs
Finals MVPw
Championships
All NBA first teams

Doing all that before his retirement at 31.

Magic was the best PG of his time. Lebron the best of his time.

[Haaland]

Magic Johnson.

[Axe]

It's hard to say that.

To properly speak on Magic you'd have to be 55+ years old right now to have lived through that and understood basketball enough to appreciate what you were watching.

But what I do know is how generally players are ranked Magic has more:

MVPs
Finals MVPw
Championships
All NBA first teams

Doing all that before his retirement at 31.

Magic was the best PG of his time. Lebron the best of his time.
But others will say that magic used to play on stacked teams... Oh well. The same thing could be said about chef.

[Carbine]

What's happened is long ago we set up 'traditional' roles for each position and mold-breakers obscure the conversation as the game evolves, rules change, and skills end up in positions and player types they didn't 30 years ago. Hell we may as well consider Giannis a point guard given his assist numbers and how much he handles the ball? What about Draymond leading the Warriors in assists every year? Or Joker dropping 10 dimes a game this year? it's quite the rabbit hole we're digging.

My only point is, traditional point guards (Magic, Stockton, Thomas, Nash, Kidd, CP3, etc) who bring the ball up and look for shot creation over shot making.... Steph does not fall under this category.

So if you want to consider Steph a PG in this positionless era or basketball (fine by me) than so is Lebron in which case he is not the best PG ever.

What's the title of this thread? Claiming he's the best PG ever. He's not. The end.

[Carbine]

What's happened is long ago we set up 'traditional' roles for each position and mold-breakers obscure the conversation as the game evolves, rules change, and skills end up in positions and player types they didn't 30 years ago. Hell we may as well consider Giannis a point guard given his assist numbers and how much he handles the ball? What about Draymond leading the Warriors in assists every year? Or Joker dropping 10 dimes a game this year? it's quite the rabbit hole we're digging.

My only point is, traditional point guards (Magic, Stockton, Thomas, Nash, Kidd, CP3, etc) who bring the ball up and look for shot creation over shot making.... Steph does not fall under this category.

So if you want to consider Steph a PG in this positionless era or basketball (fine by me) than so is Lebron in which case he is not the best PG ever.

What's the title of this thread? Claiming he's the best PG ever. He's not. The end.

[Phoenix]

I agree with this. You never know what you are gonna get with Carbine, could be something insightful or some off the wall observation. :lol

Lol yeah, I do understand his underlying point though. It's just becoming harder and harder to pigeon-hole 'how a position should be played' the further along we go. I mean 10-15 years ago I recall saying at some point we're going to see a 7 footer shoot as well as any perimeter player ever (enter KD). The next evolution will be the 7'2 guy who shoots and dribbles like Steph but is listed at center. What are we calling him lol?

[Reggie43]

Magic easy

[tpols]

My only point is, traditional point guards (Magic, Stockton, Thomas, Nash, Kidd, CP3, etc) who bring the ball up and look for shot creation over shot making.... Steph does not fall under this category.

So if you want to consider Steph a PG in this positionless era or basketball (fine by me) than so is Lebron in which case he is not the best PG ever.

What's the title of this thread? Claiming he's the best PG ever. He's not. The end.

Curry brings the ball up and jntiates the offense. There's no other position you could say he is. How many shooting guards bring the ball up the most on their teams?

[Phoenix]

My only point is, traditional point guards (Magic, Stockton, Thomas, Nash, Kidd, CP3, etc) who bring the ball up and look for shot creation over shot making.... Steph does not fall under this category.

So if you want to consider Steph a PG in this positionless era or basketball (fine by me) than so is Lebron in which case he is not the best PG ever.

What's the title of this thread? Claiming he's the best PG ever. He's not. The end.

He actually does, he's creating shots for others via his own off-ball movement instead of the 'traditional' way as you describe. Because he's inverted the methodology due to his own unique shooting gravity doesn't make it less so, it's just different and you seem hesitant to accept different. Have you seen Draymond without Steph? Dogshit. Lined up with Steph( and everyone else on the floor) and he gets looks he otherwise wouldn't because of the defense warping trying to stay on Steph's heels. And that's...not shot creation?

So no, not the end. The conversation goes on...

[Phoenix]

The funny thing is, Steph still averages 6-7 assists while making himself a defense-warping off-ball target. If someone wanted him to play 'traditional' so that some forum poster considers him a Point Guard, he could and he'd probably drop 8-10apg passing the ball from the top of the key to whoever gets open, but then you're planting him in front of the defense, and everyone can then better stick to the likes of Klay and Dray, making them less effective and the team easier to defend. All the while you're basically telling the greatest shooter the league has ever seen to not be the greatest shooter the league has ever seen, so he can play 'traditionally'. Why would any coach in his right mind do that??

[tpols]

The funny thing is, Steph still averages 6-7 assists while making himself a defense-warping off-ball target. If someone wanted him to play 'traditional' so that some forum poster considers him a Point Guard, he could and he'd probably drop 8-10apg passing the ball from the top of the key to whoever gets open, but then you're planting him in front of the defense, and everyone can then better stick to the likes of Klay and Dray, making them less effective and the team easier to defend. All the while you're basically telling the greatest shooter the league has ever seen to not be the greatest shooter the league has ever seen, so he can play 'traditionally'. Why would any coach in his right mind do that??

That's what Mark Jackson wanted him to do and he averaged 9 dimes a game. Kerr came in and inverted so he only averaged 6 apg the next year and the offense exploded when curry utilized his off ball shooting ability. He still brings the ball up and initiates the offense but making himself into a WR empowers teammates and unlocks a GOAT brand.

[SouBeachTalents]

Does this only apply to point guards, were LeBron & Bird traditional SF's, Dirk a traditional PF, Jokic & Embiid traditional centers etc.

[AlternativeAcc.]

Not top 5 sadly

Magic, Paul, Stockton, IT, West

Needing 7 games to beat the Kings doesn't move me. His game 4 choke still lingers

[Phoenix]

That's what Mark Jackson wanted him to do and he averaged 9 dimes a game. Kerr came in and inverted so he only averaged 6 apg the next year and the offense exploded when curry utilized his off ball shooting ability. He still brings the ball up and initiates the offense but making himself into a WR empowers teammates and unlocks a GOAT brand.

Yeah true, it's been so long since that version of Steph that I forgot, the 'traditional' method was tried and Steph was an all-star that way. But he and the team went supernova when they went the 'WR' route as you call it.

[Axe]

That's what Mark Jackson wanted him to do and he averaged 9 dimes a game. Kerr came in and inverted so he only averaged 6 apg the next year and the offense exploded when curry utilized his off ball shooting ability. He still brings the ball up and initiates the offense but making himself into a WR empowers teammates and unlocks a GOAT brand.
With the right teammates, i suppose. In 2021 he had 2nd pick james wiseman, kelly oubre jr. and kent bazemore while klay was still absent (who you make fun of atm) on the team but failed to make the playoffs that year after they had b2b losses in the play-ins. Just saying.

[Carbine]

The funny thing is, Steph still averages 6-7 assists while making himself a defense-warping off-ball target. If someone wanted him to play 'traditional' so that some forum poster considers him a Point Guard, he could and he'd probably drop 8-10apg passing the ball from the top of the key to whoever gets open, but then you're planting him in front of the defense, and everyone can then better stick to the likes of Klay and Dray, making them less effective and the team easier to defend. All the while you're basically telling the greatest shooter the league has ever seen to not be the greatest shooter the league has ever seen, so he can play 'traditionally'. Why would any coach in his right mind do that??

Nobody would. His skill set is being used exactly how it should be. He's just not a traditional point guard - he has led the league is scoring twice right? Traditional PGs don't sniff that.

If you think about it nobody is traditional these days. Jokic isn't traditional, Giannis isn't traditional PF, saying LeBron was a SF is a joke when compared to other SFs of the past.

We're in positionless offensive basketball. We have 7 footersbeing the initiating playmaker all the way down to 6'2.

Whatever you want to frame a "PG" being there days, Lebron fits it. Therefore he's the best of his era over Curry.

Whatever "best" position you want to say, Lebron has been the best in this positionless era.

[Phoenix]

Nobody would. His skill set is being used exactly how it should be. He's just not a traditional point guard - he has led the league is scoring twice right? Traditional PGs don't sniff that.

If you think about it nobody is traditional these days. Jokic isn't traditional, Giannis isn't traditional PF, saying LeBron was a SF is a joke when compared to other SFs of the past.

We're in positionless offensive basketball. We have 7 footersbeing the initiating playmaker all the way down to 6'2.

Whatever you want to frame a "PG" being there days, Lebron fits it. Therefore he's the best of his era over Curry.

Whatever "best" position you want to say, Lebron has been the best in this positionless era.

So maybe we should drop the concept of positions then. 5 players on the court, if the situation warrants it put the 6 footer in the post and the 7 footer at the top of the key directing the offense. It's a circular conversation at this point.

[Spurs m8]

He's not a point guard. That's not his play style.

If you do consider him a point guard, then you must consider LeBron a point guard as well which would eliminate Curry from best point guard ever considering LeBron is at worst #2 all time overall as a player behind MJ.

Get a load of this clown :roll:

[mr4speed]

He actually does, he's creating shots for others via his own off-ball movement instead of the 'traditional' way as you describe. Because he's inverted the methodology due to his own unique shooting gravity doesn't make it less so, it's just different and you seem hesitant to accept different. Have you seen Draymond without Steph? Dogshit. Lined up with Steph( and everyone else on the floor) and he gets looks he otherwise wouldn't because of the defense warping trying to stay on Steph's heels. And that's...not shot creation?

So no, not the end. The conversation goes on...

Great post ... could not have said it better!!

[tontoz]

Not top 5 sadly

Magic, Paul, Stockton, IT, West

Needing 7 games to beat the Kings doesn't move me. His game 4 choke still lingers


They won game 4 thanks TO Curry's 32/5/4 with a 65% TS. Ws victory against the Kings equals the number of all the series KD won with the nets :lol

[Kblaze8855]

What I wonder is where the idea that people like Kidd or Stockton are “traditional”. Who is the point guard prototype? Most of the first guys they even made the distinction for were bigtime scorers. Cousy led the nba in shot attempts. Oscar was a 30ppg player. Frazier was a 5-6 assists per game combo guard….so was Earl Monroe…and Dave Bing…Nate Archibald was a 34ppg player…

You get to the 80s and 90s there are Magic, Isiah, and Stockton sure but Magic played every position and was a 2 for his first 3-4 years…don’t know how that’s “pure”. People today think Isiah was a score first player(not that he was). Then you get Timmy, Kevin Johnson, Mark Price, Payton and so on…then there’s Kidd yes…with Marbury, Francis, Parker, Baron, Arenas and so on…there’s Paul…but with Westbrook, Deron, Steph, Kyrie, Dame….

You really go down the all time point guard list Kidd, Lenny Wilkens, Stockton, Rondo and mark jackson types are the exception not the rule. We are talking 20+ guys of the top 30 who were scorers more than bigtime playmakers.

So why is it considered “traditional”?

Because the worse players played that way?

[Phoenix]

What I wonder is where the idea that people like Kidd or Stockton are “traditional”. Who is the point guard prototype? Most of the first guys they even made the distinction for were bigtime scorers. Cousy led the nba in shot attempts. Oscar was a 30ppg player. Frazier was a 5-6 assists per game combo guard….so was Earl Monroe…and Dave Bing…Nate Archibald was a 34ppg player…

You get to the 80s and 90s there are Magic, Isiah, and Stockton sure but Magic played every position and was a 2 for his first 3-4 years…don’t know how that’s “pure”. People today think Isiah was a score first player(not that he was). Then you get Timmy, Kevin Johnson, Mark Price, Payton and so on…then there’s Kidd yes…with Marbury, Francis, Baron and so on…there’s Paul…but with Deron, Steph, Parker, Dame….

You really go down the all time point guard list Kidd, Stockton, Rondo and mark jackson types are the exception not the rule. We are talking 20+ guys of the top 30 who were scorers more than bigtime playmakers.

So why is it considered “traditional”?

Because the worse players played that way?

You expanded on it more than I did, but basically. Go down the list and all the big name points that come to mind played very differently, to the point of asking 'what is traditional?' is a vary valid question. Even going back 30 years which I imagine would be the reference point for a number of posters here, without even looking at the earlier pioneers like a Cousy or Clyde, most of the guys considered the top points like KJ, Hardaway, Price, Payton were all extremely important to their teams in terms of their individual scoring as well as setting the offense and table for everyone else. Stockton was the most notable one from that era that had seasons of higher assists than shot attempts. Gary Payton in contrast had seasons where he was shooting 20 times a night, both at one time or another were considered the 'best PG' and I don't recall there being discussion about which was more or less traditional.

[bizil]

If you consider Steph the GOAT PG over Magic, u GOTTA PREPARED to put Steph in the top 5 GOAT PERIOD! For me, the top 5 GOAT are MJ, Bron, Cap, Magic, and Bill Russ! I'm not saying Steph can't get there someday. BUT as of now, NO! I do think Steph is top 10 GOAT. And the 2nd GOAT PG.

The fact a 6'3 PG is in the top 10 GOAT is SAYING A LOT at this point! Probably the last time a player under 6'4 was in the top 10 GOAT was way back in the day during the early stages of the NBA. When Cousy was doing his thing back then. West is 6'4 and Oscar 6'5. As great as Zeke was he was never considered top 10 GOAT.

As REVOLUTIONARY as Steph is, Magic is ever MORE REVOLUTIONARY!! For all intents and purposes, Magic is the GODFATHER of positionless basketball! Back in the 70's he was LEGIT playing all five positions on the court. In the modern era (after Oscar) he was THE GUY to put the triple double on the map. When term WAS COINED once Magic was putting up those crazy numbers.

When Oscar was doing it, the term triple double wasn't coined yet. And from there, Magic is the best floor general of all time! Best passer of all time who was dropping dimes like a Globetrotter out there at 6'9. And he still had alpha dog credibility scoring the rock. And Magic left MANY PRIME YEARS on the table when he retired in 1991. He was the 2nd best player in the league when he retired at that time. I'm not saying Steph can't pass Magic. But he has some more work to do!

[bizil]

Steph is FOR SURE a PG! He's just a score first PG. He still bring up the rock most times after makes. He starts the offense. In the halfcourt, Draymond becomes the primary facilitator. But still guards the other teams PG often. And his passing ability is CRAZY underrated. Before Kerr got there, Steph was dropping 8 dimes a night. And playing like many of the score first PG's in the league.

Kerr in the halfcourt OPENED up their offense big time by letting Steph play like Ray Allen or Reggie often in the halfcourt. When u have the best shooter of all time who thinks SCORE FIRST anyway, it makes total sense. Most of the top PG's in the league are score first anyway. They fulfill many of the duties old school PG's did. Just do it from a score first mentality! In other offenses (like the Dantoni Houston days), Steph would be averaging 30+ PPG and 9-10 dimes a night EASY!

[Phoenix]

If you consider Steph the GOAT PG over Magic, u GOTTA PREPARED to put Steph in the top 5 GOAT PERIOD! For me, the top 5 GOAT are MJ, Bron, Cap, Magic, and Bill Russ! I'm not saying Steph can't get there someday. BUT as of now, NO! I do think Steph is top 10 GOAT. And the 2nd GOAT PG.

The fact a 6'3 PG is in the top 10 GOAT is SAYING A LOT at this point! Probably the last time a player under 6'4 was in the top 10 GOAT was way back in the day during the early stages of the NBA. When Cousy was doing his thing back then. West is 6'4 and Oscar 6'5. As great as Zeke was he was never considered top 10 GOAT.

As REVOLUTIONARY as Steph is, Magic is ever MORE REVOLUTIONARY!! For all intents and purposes, Magic is the GODFATHER of positionless basketball! Back in the 70's he was LEGIT playing all five positions on the court. In the modern era (after Oscar) he was THE GUY to put the triple double on the map. When term WAS COINED once Magic was putting up those crazy numbers.

When Oscar was doing it, the term triple double wasn't coined yet. And from there, Magic is the best floor general of all time! Best passer of all time who was dropping dimes like a Globetrotter out there at 6'9. And he still had alpha dog credibility scoring the rock. And Magic left MANY PRIME YEARS on the table when he retired in 1991. He was the 2nd best player in the league when he retired at that time. I'm not saying Steph can't pass Magic. But he has some more work to do!

If the Warriors somehow pull it off this year and Steph gets another FMVP, it gets real interesting. Recency bias may end up pushing Steph to the fore as the generation who watched and appreciated Magic ages out. And you're going to get the 'based on the modern game, Steph is more valuable' argument start picking up steam.

[bizil]

If the Warriors somehow pull it off this year and Steph gets another FMVP, it gets real interesting. Recency bias may end up pushing Steph to the fore as the generation who watched and appreciated Magic ages out. And you're going to get the 'based on the modern game, Steph is more valuable' argument start picking up steam.

Absolutely! Steph's game is built to last. So it wouldn't surprise me at all. IF anything if I want a floor general PG, give me Magic. If I want a score first PG give me Steph. With the PG spot becoming score first pretty much, we aren't gonna see PG's like Magic and Isiah much anymore. Pass first PG's who can dominate games scoring. The model Steph has put on the map is gonna be what see going forward. And DUE to the success he and GSW have had, then it makes sense to me!

[Phoenix]

Absolutely! Steph's game is built to last. So it wouldn't surprise me at all. IF anything if I want a floor general PG, give me Magic. If I want a score first PG give me Steph. With the PG spot becoming score first pretty much, we aren't gonna see PG's like Magic and Isiah much anymore. Pass first PG's who can dominate games scoring. The model Steph has put on the map is gonna be what see going forward. And DUE to the success he and GSW have had, then it makes sense to me!

Personally I hate 'rankings' because there's way too much subjectivity in ranking someone like 6th and another person 9th or whatever. Like what's the differences? From a tiered perspective, IF he leads the Warriors to a title I feel like his 'greatness' and legacy should at the very least be in the Magic/Bird range. Certainly he's pioneered a completely different style of basketball that the next generation will emulate, for better or worse ( meaning whether one considers the proliferation of the 3point shot to have ruined basketball or just evolved it, but that's of course open to a thousand opinions).

[Lakers Legend#32]

Magic Johnson.

You can end this thread now.

[Phoenix]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxcGz7OlNQI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDiILknCQWs

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/EvergreenVibrantDarklingbeetle-max-1mb.gif

Also, is Carbine Doug Gottlieb lol?

[tontoz]

Why don't we just say Steph is the best since Magic? I think most of us can agree with that.

[jlip]

Draymond Green is essentially the point (forward) for GSW. It's almost like a 90's Bulls situation. I know that Curry is technically listed as the team's pg,, and I am not a b-ball purist by any stretch, but I have reservations calling someone the greatest pg whose literally most known for his ability to shoot.

[Kblaze8855]

Draymond Green is essentially the point (forward) for GSW. It's almost like a 90's Bulls situation. I know that Curry is technically listed as the team's pg,, and I am not a b-ball purist by any stretch, but I have reservations calling someone the greatest pg whose literally most known for his ability to shoot.


Meanwhile the near undisputed best shooting guard is widely known by young fans as someone who couldn’t shoot very well. It isn’t true but it’s the criticism that seems to most stick in the eyes of fans going forward.

[L.Kizzle]

A point guard that is a great shooter is still a point guard. Only on ISH would folks say that. Is a QB who runs a lot still a QB or are they now a running back?

Nate Thurmond was known for his defense. Bob McAdoo for his offenses. Both are still centers right?

[imdaman99]

I don't think Curry is the PG even though I do think he is the engine that makes them go (duh). I'm impressed by his gravity, pretty sure everyone he plays with is better for it.

[John8204]

A point guard that is a great shooter is still a point guard. Only on ISH would folks say that. Is a QB who runs a lot still a QB or are they now a running back?

Nate Thurmond was known for his defense. Bob McAdoo for his offenses. Both are still centers right?

I think the issue is Draymond is the point forward and Steph and Klay are the SG's. Personally I can't rank him ahead of Oscar, Oscar was a one man team and Curry has had a lot of help without the accomplishments and benchmarks that a top ten player in this era needs to have.

For me he's #3 all-time at his position and #15 all-time amongst players. I think he's going to move past Hakeem and Moses and settle in behind Jerry West and Tim Duncan.

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And if Magic got to play with KD, Klay, Draymond, Iggy, Wiggins...?
I hope you're not trying to make an argument that Steph has had better help throughout his career than Magic.

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A point guard that is a great shooter is still a point guard. Only on ISH would folks say that. Is a QB who runs a lot still a QB or are they now a running back?

Nate Thurmond was known for his defense. Bob McAdoo for his offenses. Both are still centers right?


Is Curry a point guard that is a great shooter, or is he a great (GOAT) shooter who is listed as a point guard because somebody has to be listed as that on the roster?