Warriors Opened as -130 Favorites To Beat The Lakers In The 2nd Round

[1987_Lakers]

https://www.actionnetwork.com/nba/nba-playoffs-odds-warriors-vs-lakers-lines-odds-to-win-series-spreads

Lakers underdogs again. Will the Cinderella run continue?

[BallsOut]

Lakers have the best player in the series in Anthony Davis, their own steph curry in D’Angelo Russell and LeBron James. They’re hardly underdogs at 7th seed.

[ShawkFactory]

Lakers have the best player in the series in Anthony Davis, their own steph curry in D’Angelo Russell and LeBron James. They’re hardly underdogs at 7th seed.

Ahhh you went one too far.

[SouBeachTalents]

Lakers have the best player in the series in Anthony Davis, their own steph curry in D’Angelo Russell and LeBron James. They’re hardly underdogs at 7th seed.
Nah, it's not even a knock on AD, but he's not better than Steph.

[Axe]

Kong's partly injured and they wouldn't have the hca, again. Otoh, at least they are rested now and are 3-1 against the dubs h2h in the rs. Not sure tho if it will mean a thing here.

[BallsOut]

Nah, it's not even a knock on AD, but he's not better than Steph.

Davis had what two 20/20 games recently? How many players did that in the nba this season? Clearly the best player in this series. There are two sides to basketball not just offense.

[ArbitraryWater]

Bron gonna win every series as dog.

[BallsOut]

Bron gonna win every series as dog.

:lebronamazed:

[tpols]

Those are weak odds for a team with HCA.

But we've seen this story before. Memphis with Dillon Brooks and Ja were also favorites and it was shown to not even be close.

The only way the warriors win is if AD goes down. That's baked into the odds given his history.

[tpols]

Davis had what two 20/20 games recently? How many players did that in the nba this season? Clearly the best player in this series. There are two sides to basketball not just offense.

He had a ~ 30/20 game... wilt like. And the warriors are smaller than the grizzlies.

[Axe]

Those are weak odds for a team with HCA.

But we've seen this story before. Memphis with Dillon Brooks and Ja were also favorites and it was shown to not even be close.

The only way the warriors win is if AD goes down. That's baked into the odds given his history.
Yet you also used or believed in the preseason odds before when you underestimated the 2015 warriors, despite the fact that they won 67 games during the rs.

[1987_Lakers]

He had a ~ 30/20 game... wilt like. And the warriors are smaller than the grizzlies.

Looney looked like Wilt vs the Kings

[3ba11]

https://www.actionnetwork.com/nba/nba-playoffs-odds-warriors-vs-lakers-lines-odds-to-win-series-spreads

Lakers underdogs again. Will the Cinderella run continue?


Lebron fields weak underdogs with the best sidekick in the league and often the only super-team in the league like when he was underdog to baby Westbrick or the fossil Spurs

It's a knock on Lebron that he can't field dominant favorites regardless of cast.. He can only assemble a PRESEASON favorite (on-paper talent), which invariably falls to underdog as the season progresses and his weak brand underachieves the on-paper talent.

[tpols]

Looney looked like Wilt vs the Kings

The kings are even smaller than the Warriors. It would've been a travesty seeing little sabonis with his black eye getting pummeled by AD, Vanderbilt, and Lebron. Lucky the dubs won today so we at least can have a good viewing experience.

[Full Court]

Ridiculous odds. Lakers should be massive favorites. Lakers are stacked to the gills. Even if Curry balls out and Bronie shrivels, the Lakers should still win in 5.

[BallsOut]

Bron gonna win every series as dog.

:lebronamazed:

[tpols]

The reason the Lakers were +6000 odds like... a month ago, and are still undervalued today is because everybody knows theyre one big injury away from being irrelevant. And their top guys aren't exactly iron men. (Well lebron was... but he's old now)

That's baked into the odds. Their size and talent are undeniable. Imagine swapping Klay or Wiggins for AD. That's what curry is working against vs Lebron in this supposed legacy battle. It's a joke help wise.

[SouBeachTalents]

That's baked into the odds. Their size and talent are undeniable. Imagine swapping Klay or Wiggins for AD. That's what curry is working against vs Lebron in this supposed legacy battle. It's a joke help wise.
Keep this same energy when discussing 2015 & 18 :lol

[tpols]

Keep this same energy when discussing 2015 & 18 :lol

Kyrie ragdolled klay in 2016 so it about evens out.

[3ba11]

Keep this same energy when discussing 2015 & 18 :lol


Even without the 2007, 2015 or 2018 Finals, Lebron is 20-21 in the Finals, so his skillset yields a lottery record on the championship level (low team ceilngs) REGARDLESS OF CAST..

And unlike Kobe, Lebron lost series as 1st option that could be blamed on him shooting below 40%, such as the 2015 Finals, 2007 Finals, or 2008 ECSF.

[SouBeachTalents]

Kyrie ragdolled klay in 2016 so it about evens out.
:oldlol: Curry had laughable talent advantages those two years, and a clear one in 2017 to boot, yet you still make your "he's 3-1 against him" arguments. Not at all surprised to see you have a massive double standard here.

[3ba11]

:oldlol: Curry had laughable talent advantages those two years, and a clear one in 2017 to boot, yet you still make your "he's 3-1 against him" arguments. Not at all surprised to see you have a massive double standard here.


Klay/Dray hadn't been all-stars heading into the 2015 season, while Love/Kyrie were perennial all-stars, so the Cavs were the preseason favorite in 2015 and 2016

But per the usual, Lebron's weak brand of ball underachieved the on-paper talent, so his preseason favorite fell to underdog

[ShawkFactory]

The reason the Lakers were +6000 odds like... a month ago, and are still undervalued today is because everybody knows theyre one big injury away from being irrelevant. And their top guys aren't exactly iron men. (Well lebron was... but he's old now)

That's baked into the odds. Their size and talent are undeniable. Imagine swapping Klay or Wiggins for AD. That's what curry is working against vs Lebron in this supposed legacy battle. It's a joke help wise.

Which is exactly why this series isn’t a legacy battle.

Lebron is clearly past where he was and Curry isn’t. It shouldn’t really matter either way but people will make a big deal out of it regardless.

[3ba11]

Which is exactly why this series isn’t a legacy battle.

Lebron is clearly past where he was and Curry isn’t. It shouldn’t really matter either way but people will make a big deal out of it regardless.


5 > 4, so it's a legacy battle

4 chips in 20 seasons will be weak compared to Curry's frequency

[ShawkFactory]

5 > 4, so it's a legacy battle

4 chips in 20 seasons will be weak compared to Curry's frequency

Well this isn’t a finals so the ring doesn’t factor in here.

People on either side will claim things after this series and given that both guys are in different stages of their career that doesn’t make sense.

[LeGoat4Life]

That’s the chef dingo effect

Instantly turns lottery teams into championship favourite

Whereas Lebron takes super teams to th lottery

No AD no playoff

[3ba11]

Well this isn’t a finals so the ring doesn’t factor in here.

People on either side will claim things after this series and given that both guys are in different stages of their career. Trying to claim that one is better than the other regardless of the result doesn’t make sense.


As usual, Curry is expected to leverage his superior brand of ball/IQ to offset inferior on-paper talent (no preseason favorite status) just like 2016 and 2022 - so Curry must actually play great BASKETBALL, while Lebron has hypnotized the media into blaming losses on lack of supporting TALENT (talent-based winning.. all-star team strategy)

And Curry, Klay and Dray went to the Finals last year, so they're drained while Lebron and AD rested for 2 years..

[tpols]

:oldlol: Curry had laughable talent advantages those two years, and a clear one in 2017 to boot, yet you still make your "he's 3-1 against him" arguments. Not at all surprised to see you have a massive double standard here.

And Lebron had a clear cut better help in 2016 and now. His Cavs were also pre season title favorites in 2015 and 2016 so it's not Currys fault lebron couldn't build a 70 win dynasty or whatever. Lebrons teams have never had the ceiling Currys have despite more talent. Imagine swapping 2011 Dwayne Wade or 2020 AD for 2016 klay. Might have won closer to 75-77 games.

[ArbitraryWater]

Ridiculous odds. Lakers should be massive favorites. Lakers are stacked to the gills. Even if Curry balls out and Bronie shrivels, the Lakers should still win in 5.

the warriors have curry klay poole wiggins divicenzo GP2 draymond and looney, no?

[SouBeachTalents]

And Lebron had a clear cut better help in 2016 and now. His Cavs were also pre season title favorites in 2015 and 2016 so it's not Currys fault lebron couldn't build a 70 win dynasty or whatever. Lebrons teams have never had the ceiling Currys have despite more talent. Imagine swapping 2011 Dwayne Wade for 2016 klay. Might have won closer to 75-77 games.
Curry had 2 All-NBA teammates in 2016, so that's an utterly ridiculous statement to make, and even if you want to say LeBron's team is better now, it's MUCH closer than it was the majority of the time they were matching up in the Finals.

[Axe]

And Lebron had a clear cut better help in 2016 and now. His Cavs were also pre season title favorites in 2015 and 2016 so it's not Currys fault lebron couldn't build a 70 win dynasty or whatever. Lebrons teams have never had the ceiling Currys have despite more talent. Imagine swapping 2011 Dwayne Wade or 2020 AD for 2016 klay. Might have won closer to 75-77 games.
And curry's never been to the finals without the main core of his team. Hell, he's the first superstar to have lost b2b in the play-ins around two years ago for what i can remember.

A big part of that was klay being absent for a whole season still recovering from his knee injury even tho the team had won 39 games in the rs without him.

[3ba11]

And curry's never been to the finals without the main core of his team. Hell, he's the first superstar to have lost b2b in the play-ins around two years ago for what i can remember.

A big part of that was klay being absent for a whole season still recovering from his knee injury even tho the team had won 39 games in the rs.


Curry never got to dilute his conference by putting the top 3 first options in the West on 1 team.

So the West was always a real conference where Lebron was lottery with Ingram/Kuzma and needed AD to save his career and standing in LA

[SouBeachTalents]

Curry never got to dilute his conference by putting the top 3 first options in the West on 1 team.

So the West was always a real conference where Lebron was lottery with Ingram/Kuzma and needed AD to save his career and standing in LA
Yeah, he never went out and recruited the best player remaining in his conference from the team that nearly beat him the year before :lol

[tpols]

Which is exactly why this series isn’t a legacy battle.

Lebron is clearly past where he was and Curry isn’t. It shouldn’t really matter either way but people will make a big deal out of it regardless.

ESPN is hyping it as such right now.

[1987_Lakers]

And Lebron had a clear cut better help in 2016 and now.

Wtf is this bullshit? :oldlol:

[3ba11]

Yeah, he never went out and recruited the best player remaining in his conference from the team that nearly beat him the year before :lol


Curry did that after he was already a champion because he didn't have a super-team like Lebron did - he didn't have 3 first options on 1 team

But unlike Lebron, Curry showed that he win as the clear-cut leader of a non-super-team, while Lebron always needed super-teams or a teammate to lead statistically

[tpols]

Curry had 2 All-NBA teammates in 2016, so that's an utterly ridiculous statement to make, and even if you want to say LeBron's team is better now, it's MUCH closer than it was the majority of the time they were matching up in the Finals.

Dray would never be all NBA next to lebron... that's absurd. He came into 2015 an unknown second round bench player. Curry elevated his playmaking and whole game with his off ball play and shooting. Kyrie always smoked klay. And by a ton in 2016. Curry would've squeezed way more juice out of prime Kevin Love as well. There's a reason the cavs were the 2016 title favorites going into the season.

[SouBeachTalents]

Dray would never be all NBA next to lebron... that's absurd. He came into 2015 an unknown second round bench player. Curry elevated his playmaking and whole game with his off ball play and shooting. Kyrie always smoked klay. And by a ton in 2016. Curry would've squeezed way more juice out of prime Kevin Love as well. There's a reason the cavs were the 2016 title favorites going into the season.
Since you're so keen on preseason odds, the Warriors were +600 going into this year, the Lakers +1800.

[StrongLurk]

Warriors win for sure.

[3ba11]

Since you're so keen on preseason odds, the Warriors were +600 going into this year, the Lakers +1800.


The Lakers being -1800 with the best sidekick in the league is a knock on Lebron

You can't see that?

How could the GOAT yield perennial underdogs regardless of the stage in his career?... He was underdog to baby Westbrick or fossil Spurs despite having a veteran super-team

That's a knock on Lebron and the lower team ceilings that his skillset yields.. His teams are only favorites on paper (preseason)

[Axe]

Curry never got to dilute his conference by putting the top 3 first options in the West on 1 team.

So the West was always a real conference where Lebron was lottery with Ingram/Kuzma and needed AD to save his career and standing in LA
Stfu, you weirdo. Doesn't change the fact that he's the only superstar to have blown a 3-1 lead in the finals with a 73-win team. :no:

[tpols]

Since you're so keen on preseason odds, the Warriors were +600 going into this year, the Lakers +1800.

Yea but the Lakers have made a ton of moves since then. The warriors didn't change their personal much. If yall still had westbrick I guarantee you he'd have shot you out of game 4 and possibly the series vs the grizz.

[Walk on Water]

Davis had what two 20/20 games recently? How many players did that in the nba this season? Clearly the best player in this series. There are two sides to basketball not just offense.


Meh... Looney with 3-20 rebound games against Sabonis.

20 points? Eh. Only 3 players have had 3-20 rebound games in a series. Wilt Chamberlain, Nate Thurmond, and Kevon Looney.

[Hey Yo]

Yea but the Lakers have made a ton of moves since then. The warriors didn't change their personal much. If yall still had westbrick I guarantee you he'd have shot you out of game 4 and possibly the series vs the grizz.

You got slayed, chico.

[Full Court]

The Lakers being -1800 with the best sidekick in the league is a knock on Lebron

You can't see that?

How could the GOAT yield perennial underdogs regardless of the stage in his career?... He was underdog to baby Westbrick or fossil Spurs despite having a veteran super-team

That's a knock on Lebron and the lower team ceilings that his skillset yields.. His teams are only favorites on paper (preseason)

The poor preseason odds are a reflection of the ludicrous narrative about how Lebron had a bunch of scrubs for help. That narrative caught on and and a bunch of low IQ people bought into it. Hence the ridiculous odds.

Even back then though, I was saying the Lakers were the most talented team in the league, and if they could get it together they'd be contenders.

Once again, Full Court was spot on. :confusedshrug:

[ShawkFactory]

The poor preseason odds are a reflection of the ludicrous narrative about how Lebron had a bunch of scrubs for help. That narrative caught on and and a bunch of low IQ people bought into it. Hence the ridiculous odds.

Even back then though, I was saying the Lakers were the most talented team in the league, and if they could get it together they'd be contenders.

Once again, Full Court was spot on. :confusedshrug:

The poor preseason odds are because both Lebron and AD haven't shown the ability to stay healthy for a couple years now.

Same reason why the Clippers odds weren't great either. We don't know if Kawhi and PG are going to be able to play consistently.

Luckily Lebron and AD have been healthy the last couple months. We'll see if it stays that way but it's kind of a ticking time bomb.

[1987_Lakers]

Even back then though, I was saying the Lakers were the most talented team in the league, and if they could get it together they'd be contenders.

Once again, Full Court was spot on. :confusedshrug:

You're not fooling anyone dipshit. You said those things to try to make it look like LeBron had the perfect cast around him so you could blame him if the Lakers didn't make the playoffs. You are also the same dude who made a thread in March saying how the Lakers would finish in the lottery.

You literally said Westbrook was poised to make an All-star this year, why has this team played so much better once the "All-star" got traded?

[Full Court]

You're not fooling anyone dipshit. You said those things to try to make it look like LeBron had the perfect cast around him so you could blame him if the Lakers didn't make the playoffs. You are also the same dude who made a thread in March saying how the Lakers would finish in the lottery.

You literally said Westbrook was poised to make an All-star this year, why has this team played so much better once the "All-star" got traded?

:roll:

Man, this guy is RAGING. :roll:

So upset that I keep getting it right over and over again....while he keeps getting exposed as an idiot.

:lol

One question though: are you a mexi-can or a mexi-can't?

And as soon as LeShrivel got injured, I said the Lakers were a lock for the playoffs. You remember it too. Yet ANOTHER one that Full Court called to a tee.

:pimp:

Suck it, loser.

[1987_Lakers]

:roll:

Man, this guy is RAGING. :roll:

So upset that I keep getting it right over and over again....while he keeps getting exposed as an idiot.

:lol

One question though: are you a mexi-can or a mexi-can't?

And as soon as LeShrivel got injured, I said the Lakers were a lock for the playoffs. You remember it too. Yet ANOTHER one that Full Court called to a tee.

:pimp:

Suck it, loser.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?510654-List-of-superstars-who-led-a-superteam-to-the-lottery

"I'm always right" :lol

[Full Court]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?510654-List-of-superstars-who-led-a-superteam-to-the-lottery

"I'm always right" :lol

At the time of the post, they were in the lottery, as I said. You HATE me being right, don't you? :roll:

For a self-labeled "historian" you're not very smart.

You didn't even know Sabonis made the all star team. :roll:

I guess there's levels to IQ too.

[Bacchus]

The Lakers were 100-1 when their record was 2-8.

[LeGoat4Life]

At the time of the post, they were in the lottery, as I said. You HATE me being right, don't you? :roll:

For a self-labeled "historian" you're not very smart.

You didn't even know Sabonis made the all star team. :roll:

I guess there's levels to IQ too.

Full Court taking a dump on 1987 :oldlol:

#No AD No Playoff

[dankok8]

Tpols is right that the possibility of AD getting injured is baked into the odds here. If both teams are healthy I see the Lakers as favorites and they should take this in 6 games. Still the Warriors do have a fighting chance given their experience.

[bdonovan]

AD was tailor-made for the Grizzlies; that's a team that drives to the basket and scores inside with regularity.

During the regular season, Warriors scored the most 3 pointers per game at 16.6; meanwhile Grizzlies were only #16 (of 30) at 12 3 ptrs made/game.

~40% of Warriors points are from beyond the arc. I don't have a shot chart but I imagine a lot is mid-range and deep twos as well. It's a different offense than the Grizzlies.

AD will swat the occasional Wiggins drive, or Looney attempted put back. But he's going to have a lot less to work with.

It was kind of cool seeing LeBron and Davis humble the cocky Grizzlies who are a big, physical team but more then met their match. You just see Davis camping out in the paint waiting for Morant and the Grizzlies settling for 3's and outside shots which is not their game.

Lot of GSW/LA will come down to who forces the other team to play their game. Lakers should slow the ball down and Warriors will want to play an uptempo bomb-throwing contest. We'll see if the Lakers can slow the Warriors down with their physicality and length; but in the past that's been hard to do.

The Warriors are coming off a shaky regular season, but the team cohesion has improved with every playoff game and while shooters were off in Game 7, the ball movement and team defense (as well as gang rebounding) was there.

Should be an exciting series.

[r15mohd]

GSW favs as they should be...there is a very small handful of ppl on here who think the Lakers being underdogs are a crazy thought. ironically they are trolls or so lost in their own agenda, they come off as trolling

Dubs are deeper
homecourt
better coach
more experienced overall
etc.

[NBAGOAT]

this is tough. I would lean warriors in 7 just because of homecourt

[FromDowntown]

worriersssss in five

[kawhileonard2]

Lebron couldn't even make play in with Russell Westbrook.

[TheMan]

https://www.actionnetwork.com/nba/nba-playoffs-odds-warriors-vs-lakers-lines-odds-to-win-series-spreads

Lakers underdogs again. Will the Cinderella run continue?

No

[r15mohd]

Lebron couldn't even make play in with Russell Westbrook.

yet somehow made it without him, and now into the WCSF :confusedshrug:

[Full Court]

Here's the question: will Lebron and the Lakers pressure the league to suspend Draymond?

[Full Court]

yet somehow made it without him, and now into the WCSF :confusedshrug:

That's what happens when the super team get's to play over a month without LeDeadWeight dragging them down. They were in the lottery until he got "injured." That's a fun fact for ya.

[r15mohd]

That's what happens when the super team get's to play over a month without LeDeadWeight dragging them down. They were in the lottery until he got "injured." That's a fun fact for ya.

interesting take, however...



Originally Posted by AussieSteve View Post
Here are some facts from this RS

Pre post-trade-deadline lineup
LeBron was +111 (+2.5 per game)
AD was +47 (+1.4 per game)

Lakers were 21-23 when LeBron played and 5-8 when he didn't
Lakers were 15-18 when AD played (14-17 when he started) and 11-13 when he didn't

Post post-trade-deadline lineup
LeBron was +100 (+9.1 per game)
AD was +153 (+6.7 per game)

Lakers were 9-2 when LeBron played (9-1 when he started) and 8-6 when he didn't
Lakers were 16-7 when AD played and 1-1 when he didn't

Overall
LeBron was +211 (+3.84 per game)
AD was +200 (+3.57 per game)

Lakers were 30-25 when LeBron played (30-24 when he started) and 13-14 when he didn't
Lakers were 31-25 when AD played (30-24 when he started) and 12-14 when he didn't


Lakers are consistently better with LeBron on court than AD, and consistently win more LeBron plays than when AD plays.

You can stamp your feet and fume....but the Lakers were better with LeBron than AD the ENTIRE YEAR, and they have been playoff bound when LeBron plays and lottery bound when he doesn't the ENTIRE YEAR.

[Full Court]

interesting take, however...

Which is why Bronie fluffers are the only ones who care about +/-.

Catch up, man.

[r15mohd]

Which is why Bronie fluffers are the only ones who care about +/-.

Catch up, man.

yet you're in each one of those threads just as much as anyone else, and moreso if it was a (-) game...hypocrite much?

[Taurus]

Anyone confident in who's winning this series is lying to themselves

[Axe]

Anyone confident in who's winning this series is lying to themselves
League may rig this one again for the warriors as usual.

[Nb1]

The defending champs vs a 7th seed with their best player injured and being 38.
Odds should be even more in favour of the Warriors. Their 11th option has more playoff wins and experience than all of the Lakers players combined if you don’t count Lebron lol.

[Full Court]

yet you're in each one of those threads just as much as anyone else, and moreso if it was a (-) game...hypocrite much?

So cry about it lol.

"waahhhhhhh wahhhhhhhhh hypocrite!"

:roll:

Get a life.