If Lebron wins, he'll have 3 chips where teammates matched or led in PPG for playoffs

[3ba11]

How does that compare to averaging 10-20 more than all teammates for 6 titles and every playoff run?

Scoring is the biggest kind of help that everyone in history needed, except the GOAT.. Only the GOAT was forced to defeat maximum defensive attention (carry scoring load) for every chip

Can you imagine anyone saying "AD was a bum and not on the scouting report"... LOL... yet that's what all-time greats say about Jordan's low-producing sidekick and cast.

[8Ball]

38 year old Jordan was a big lump of dog shit.

38 year old Jordan plus Prime AD = 1st round exit vs Memphis.


Eat shit Jordan tards.

[3ba11]

38 year old Jordan was a big lump of dog shit.

38 year old Jordan plus Prime AD = 1st round exit vs Memphis.


Eat shit Jordan tards.


Old MJ would average more than 22 ppg against Desmond Bane and his T-Rex arms.

and his scoring would be a lot of jumpers, so teammates are assisting him and chemistry or strategic capacity/coaching would be much better..

For the 2 reasons stated above, this Laker team would be HEAVY favorites with many 20 ppg scorers to help MJ like Reaves, D-Lo, and Pippen, I mean Rui... and Kareem to lead the way.. I mean AD

[nineiron]

38 year old Jordan was a big lump of dog shit.

38 year old Jordan plus Prime AD = 1st round exit vs Memphis.


Eat shit Jordan tards.

when did MJ ever have a team mate come even close to his production during a championship run?

[1987_Lakers]

Bird won 2 Finals where he was 2nd leading scorer on the team. Yet, you have him top 3 along with Kobe who won 3 as the #2 guy.

[nineiron]

Bird won 2 Finals where he was 2nd leading scorer on the team. Yet, you have him top 3 along with Kobe who won 3 as the #2 guy.

ok, so Lebron should be ranked somewhere near Bird and Kobe. got it.

[r15mohd]

How does that compare to averaging 10-20 more than all teammates for 6 titles and every playoff run?

Scoring is the biggest kind of help that everyone in history needed, except the GOAT.. Only the GOAT was forced to defeat maximum defensive attention (carry scoring load) for every chip

Can you imagine anyone saying "AD was a bum and not on the scouting report"... LOL... yet that's what all-time greats say about Jordan's low-producing sidekick and cast.

no one says that about Pippen lmao

and the glaring scenario you're leaving out...Lebron is STILL continuing to be the leading (or at worst 1b) factor for a championship run at 38, his 20th season. spin it as much as you want, but this causes severe palpitations for you lol

[1987_Lakers]

ok, so Lebron should be ranked somewhere near Bird and Kobe. got it.

38 year old Jordan was losing to CEO Rogers.

[r15mohd]

ok, so Lebron should be ranked somewhere near Bird and Kobe. got it.

OP has kobe ranked top 3...you're finally getting it lol

[tpols]

Bird won 2 Finals where he was 2nd leading scorer on the team. Yet, you have him top 3 along with Kobe who won 3 as the #2 guy.

Kobe and Bird both won without elite offensive help. That's the difference.

[nineiron]

38 year old Jordan was losing to CEO Rogers.

what's your point? that MJ, at 38, should have stacked the deck like LeFraud?

[nineiron]

OP has kobe ranked top 3...you're finally getting it lol

ok, so Lebron is top 4-5 then.

[SouBeachTalents]

Kobe and Bird both won without elite offensive help. That's the difference.
So did LeBron in 2013.

[1987_Lakers]

Kobe and Bird both won without elite offensive help. That's the difference.

You're a retard. Peak Shaq & McHale/Parish isn't great offensive help? Kobe had the best supporting cast in 2009 & 2010

. Lakers were top 5 in offense every year from 2000-2002 (#2 in '01 & '02)

Boston was the same deal. Top 5 in offense in the years Bird was outscored.

[r15mohd]

ok, so Lebron is top 4-5 then.

hey, it's your own top list...but I'd wager there is much subjective views and hypocrisy in it.

[tpols]

You're a retard. Peak Shaq & McHale/Parish isn't great offensive help? Kobe had the best supporting cast in 2009 & 2010

. Lakers were top 5 in offense every year from 2000-2002 (#2 in '01 & '02)

Boston was the same deal. Top 5 in offense in the years Bird was outscored.

For the Celtics, McHale averaged 10 ppg in Larry Birds 1st ring and 15 ppĝ in the 2nd ring.

Pau averaged 19 ppg with the Lakers when they went back to back with Kobe leading the way.

And neither were on the defensive level of AD or Wade.

They simply did more with less.

[1987_Lakers]

For the Celtics, McHale averaged 10 ppg in Larry Birds 1st ring and 15 ppĝ in the 2nd ring.

Pau averaged 19 ppg with the Lakers when they went back to back with Kobe leading the way.

And neither were on the defensive level of AD or Wade.

They simply did more with less.

Pau averages 19 ppg, but ignores how Wade put up 16 ppg in the '13 playoff run. Pathetic.

[r15mohd]

For the Celtics, McHale averaged 10 ppg in Larry Birds 1st ring and 15 ppĝ in the 2nd ring.

Pau averaged 19 ppg with the Lakers when they went back to back with Kobe leading the way.

And neither were on the defensive level of AD or Wade.

They simply did more with less.

werent the Lakers top3 in defense during that 3 yr run? and wasnt Ron Artest on the all-defense teams too...man thats some bold lies there lol

[SouBeachTalents]

Pau averages 19 ppg, but ignores how Wade put up 16 ppg in the '13 playoff run. Pathetic.
2013 is a huge inconvenience for their "he only won with stacked" help claim, when Wade was literally one of the worst producing title winning 2nd options ever :lol

[tpols]

Pau averages 19 ppg, but ignores how Wade put up 16 ppg in the '13 playoff run. Pathetic.

Pau's ceiling was 20 ppg. That was his max. Wade's ceiling was 30 ppg or more. He was already a champion with little help before Lebron.

The only reason wade underperformed with lebron was because they were a horrible fit. I'm sure Kobe would've loved to have Dwayne Wade in his place when he was winning titles.

Kobe + Wade would have been far more devastating than Kobe and Pau.

[r15mohd]

Pau averages 19 ppg, but ignores how Wade put up 16 ppg in the '13 playoff run. Pathetic.

pretty sure there'll be a 'but' or 'becuause of ____' reason - hypocrisy has no limits for this side of the argument lol

[r15mohd]

Pau's ceiling was 20 ppg. That was his max. Wade's ceiling was 30 ppg or more. He was already a champion with little help before Lebron.

The only reason wade underperformed with lebron was because they were a horrible fit. I'm sure Kobe would've loved to have Dwayne Wade in his place when he was winning titles. Kobe + Wade would have been devastating.


more lies...the fit worked great when Wade was healthy. sadly he broke down and was no where near 30ppg player, and as you can see, more cemented as a 15ppg guy than even 20ppg.


Kobe + Wade would have been devastating

yes if healthy. and dont forget Kobe did attempt to do much the same in getting Dwight and Nash, but like Wade (even though you wont recognize it) were breaking down themselves and no longer the prime players they once were

[nineiron]

Pau averages 19 ppg, but ignores how Wade put up 16 ppg in the '13 playoff run. Pathetic.

and what did Kobe average while Pau was averaging 19?

[1987_Lakers]

Pau's ceiling was 20 ppg. That was his max. Wade's ceiling was 30 ppg or more. He was already a champion with little help before Lebron.

The only reason wade underperformed with lebron was because they were a horrible fit. I'm sure Kobe would've loved to have Dwayne Wade in his place when he was winning titles. Kobe + Wade would have been devastating.

Wait? Aren't you the same guy who always gushes about Drexler's '95 playoff run because he led the Rockets in ORTG in the playoffs?

Guess what, Pau led the Lakers in ORTG in the '09 & '10 playoff run.

You're nothing but a low IQ troll who provides zero logic.

[SouBeachTalents]

Wait? Aren't you the same guy who always gushes about Drexler's '95 playoff run because he led the Rockets in ORTG in the playoffs?

Guess what, Pau led the Lakers in ORTG in the '09 & '10 playoff run.

You're nothing but a low IQ troll who provides zero logic.
Well when you're still arguing Kobe > LeBron in 2023, all logic has to be thrown out the window :lol They have to resort to meaningless cherrypicked criteria, which even then, runs into serious problems when the 2013 title run gets brought up.

[tpols]

more lies...the fit worked great when Wade was healthy. sadly he broke down and was no where near 30ppg player, and as you can see, more cemented as a 15ppg guy than even 20ppg.



yes if healthy. and dont forget Kobe did attempt to do much the same in getting Dwight and Nash, but like Wade (even though you wont recognize it) were breaking down themselves and no longer the prime players they once were


From 2011



Not just on the end-of-game isolations, but the fact that Dwyane Wade and LeBron James really play next to each other not with each other most of the time.


link (https://nba.nbcsports.com/2011/03/08/chemistry-proves-difficult-for-dwyane-wade-lebron-james/)


From 2013



As you can see in the chart to the right, James is scoring much more efficiently with Wade on the bench, especially on shots close to the basket.

However, in the 194 minutes played this series with LeBron and Wade both on the court, the Heat have been outscored by 56 points.

link (https://www.espn.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/59960/should-heat-play-lebron-wade-separately)

You guys are trying to rewrite history.

[1987_Lakers]

You guys are trying to rewrite history.

The irony. Keep propping up Drexler's playoff run in '95 because of ORTG while ignoring Pau led the Lakers in ORTG in '09 & '10.

[ShawkFactory]

Pau's ceiling was 20 ppg. That was his max. Wade's ceiling was 30 ppg or more. He was already a champion with little help before Lebron.

The only reason wade underperformed with lebron was because they were a horrible fit. I'm sure Kobe would've loved to have Dwayne Wade in his place when he was winning titles.

Kobe + Wade would have been far more devastating than Kobe and Pau.

No they weren't. They both "cratered" numbers-wise from what they were truly capable of because they played with each other. Scoring 24-26 instead of 30 because you're playing with another guy who is capable of that doesn't mean you're underperforming. While together both got even better on the defensive side, both developed stronger off-ball games, Bron became a better shooter, etc.

Look past the numbers sometimes outside of when it specifically benefits you.

[tpols]

The irony. Keep propping up Drexler's playoff run in '95 because of ORTG while ignoring Pau led the Lakers in ORTG in '09 & '10.

I never said Drexler was the best player on the team. Just that Hakeem actually had some help, which most people act like he had none and carried bums.

Drexler wasn't as good as Wade as a talent although he was a great player.

Hakeem actually fit great with Clyde though and the two maximized their potential together.

[1987_Lakers]

I never said Drexler was the best player on the team. Just that Hakeem actually had some help, which most people act like he had none and carried bums.

Coming from a guy who acts like Bird & Kobe carried some bums.

[r15mohd]

From 2011



link (https://nba.nbcsports.com/2011/03/08/chemistry-proves-difficult-for-dwyane-wade-lebron-james/)


From 2013



link (https://www.espn.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/59960/should-heat-play-lebron-wade-separately)

You guys are trying to rewrite history.


no one's rewriting anything

2011 - 1a/1b approach was good to make the finals but never to win it out
2012-2013 - lebron 1, Wade and Bosh 2a/2b were pretty amazing and all while Wade was regressing before our eyes
2014 - Wade was almost a shell of himself at this point, injuries took over his journey full time.

2012 maybe early 2013 was the last time we saw the more consistent version of 'Flash' Wade, by end of 2013 and onward it was few and far between