Booker tonight 47/9/3 on 20-25 shooting, most points through 8 playoff games since MJ

[wagexslave]

(MJ's 1990 playoffs)

The Suns may be down in this series, but it sure as hell isn't because of Book. Dude's played his heart out this whole postseason so far

[hold this L]

He's having far and away one of the greatest scoring runs in NBA playoff history. Absolutely absurd. Suns need to trade soft as baby shit Ayton for 3 elite team players, or at least 1 starter, 1 bench. Not sure if CP0 stays but if he does, do the same with him. Booker and KD with a great team could definitely compete for a championship in the next 3 seasons.

[wagexslave]

He's having far and away one of the greatest scoring runs in NBA playoff history. Absolutely absurd. Suns need to trade soft as baby shit Ayton for 3 elite team players, or at least 1 starter, 1 bench. Not sure if CP0 stays but if he does, do the same with him. Booker and KD with a great team could definitely compete for a championship in the next 3 seasons.

As a Suns fan, Ayton might be the most frustrating #1 pick of all time because he's our only #1 pick in out 50+ year franchise history and he's not even unlucky being super injury prone or anything like some busts, and he's not completely talent-less like some other busts. He's just mentally soft as sh*t.

He would be a damn good all star center if he had confidence in his size and athleticism and played with 100% effort every time it's needed. No reason he should be standing flat footed letting dudes half his size box him out and out-fight him for rebounds, or shooting fadeaway jumpers when guarded by 6'3" dudes. And his defense has actually declined since 2021 simply due to not putting the same level of effort anymore. It's like he just doesn't care that much anymore.

And I do hope CP3 retires because he's guaranteed a minimum of 15 million next year and he's just not reliable especially at this age. Gonna suck trying to find a point guard to replace him, especially knowing we could have drafted Tyrese Haliburton who was the best player available and the obvious guy to pick to the entire fanbase, instead James Jones took Jalen f*cking Smith 20 slots earlier than projected only to give up on him after 1 season where he barely even got minutes. Unbelievably dumb top 10 pick.

Obviously it's also annoying knowing we could have had Luka over Ayton as well, but that was the previous GM + coach + entire front office + owner, so there's no sense in even dwelling on that as there's nobody left in the organization to even blame for it.

[hold this L]

As a Suns fan, Ayton might be the most frustrating #1 pick of all time because he's our only #1 pick in out 50+ year franchise history and he's not even unlucky being super injury prone or anything like some busts, and he's not completely talent-less like some other busts. He's just mentally soft as sh*t.

He would be a damn good all star center if he had confidence in his size and athleticism and played with 100% effort every time it's needed. No reason he should be standing flat footed letting dudes half his size box him out and out-fight him for rebounds, or shooting fadeaway jumpers when guarded by 6'3" dudes. And his defense has actually declined since 2021 simply due to not putting the same level of effort anymore. It's like he just doesn't care that much anymore.

And I do hope CP3 retires because he's guaranteed a minimum of 15 million next year and he's just not reliable especially at this age. Gonna suck trying to find a point guard to replace him, especially knowing we could have drafted Tyrese Haliburton who was the best player available and the obvious guy to pick to the entire fanbase, instead James Jones took Jalen f*cking Smith 20 slots earlier than projected only to give up on him after 1 season where he barely even got minutes. Unbelievably dumb top 10 pick.

Obviously it's also annoying knowing we could have had Luka over Ayton as well, but that was the previous GM + coach + entire front office + owner, so there's no sense in even dwelling on that as there's nobody left in the organization to even blame for it.

Honestly I get why your coach wanted to beat the shit out of him. He probably should have :lol As for Haliburton, yeah Warriors could have also gotten him. Instead, they got Wiseman. :facepalm

[wagexslave]

Small correction, I put 47/9/3 in the title but it was 47 PTS 6 REB 9 AST with 3 STL 1 BLK.

[Wardell Curry]

Didn't watch the game so feel free to call me ignorant but if it takes Booker shooting 20/25 from the field to barely win a game, how do the Suns win the series?

[tpols]

Just watched the highlights. Booker is an absolute masterclass throwback midrange player. His dribble setups, footwork, fakes and feigns to set these shots up are next level. Can't believe he shot on 20-25... that's nuts.

[Axe]

Just watched the highlights. Booker is an absolute masterclass throwback midrange player. His dribble setups, footwork, fakes and feigns to set these shots up are next level. Can't believe he shot on 20-25... that's nuts.
With such statement, i assume it may be safe to say now that he's better than kobe on the offensive end. :kobe: :lebronamazed:

[tpols]

With such statement, i assume it may be safe to say now that he's better than kobe on the offensive end. :kobe: :lebronamazed:

:oldlol:

He's a great player but the Nuggets coach should honestly be fired for not doubling him. Kobe was potent to the point he would see doubles all game long... I just watched every Booker bucket... I don't think I saw even one double team on any of his scores.

The nuggets defense is trash. Booker wouldn't be able to do this with Tony Allen hounding him, all game doubles and KG roaming the paint.

[Chuckbe]

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[DMAVS41]

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I didn't get to see the whole game, but to do what Booker did last night...a 91% TS and score 47 points on only 2 free throws, on paper, is one of the most impressive offensive games in playoff history from a purely numbers perspective.

[tontoz]

:oldlol:

He's a great player but the Nuggets coach should honestly be fired for not doubling him. Kobe was potent to the point he would see doubles all game long... I just watched every Booker bucket... I don't think I saw even one double team on any of his scores.

The nuggets defense is trash. Booker wouldn't be able to do this with Tony Allen hounding him, all game doubles and KG roaming the paint.


If the Nuggets defense is trash then what does that say about the suns offense that scored 87 points last game? :oldlol:

[tpols]

If the Nuggets defense is trash then what does that say about the suns offense that scored 87 points last game? :oldlol:

Paul getting hurt in the middle of the game derailed the sun's offense. Watching the game you would know that.

The nuggets defense though is objectively trash. Their defensive personnel is weak, and defensive coaching horrible. You know the sun's are a two man offense missing their starting point guard yet you don't put double team pressure on that?

Booker is an all time great scorer, but Denver is also trash on defense. Both things can be true.

[tontoz]

Paul getting hurt in the middle of the game derailed the sun's offense. Watching the game you would know that.

The nuggets defense though is objectively trash. Their defensive personnel is weak, and defensive coaching horrible. You know the sun's are a two man offense missing their starting point guard yet you don't put double team pressure on that?

Booker is an all time great scorer, but Denver is also trash on defense. Both things can be true.


Paul got hurt near the end of the 3rd. He already played 25 minutes so he was only going to play another 10-13 minutes. A washed 37 yr old playing another few minutes isn't going to get them to score another 20-30 points.

They just had their highest scoring game of the series by far in a game Paul didn't play. :oldlol:

[wagexslave]

Paul got hurt near the end of the 3rd. He already played 25 minutes so he was only going to play another 10-13 minutes. A washed 37 yr old playing another few minutes isn't going to get them to score another 20-30 points.

They just had their highest scoring game of the series by far in a game Paul didn't play. :oldlol:
Eh maybe not 30 but I definitely could see an extra 15-20. CP3 finished with the highest +/- on the team for a reason. Once he went out, more bench minutes were given to guys who clearly weren't expecting to play and not ready for prime time. Cam Payne shot like 1-7 and Damion Lee went 0-5. And the offensive game plan in general went down the shitter. Not to mention CP3 is the only dude who can seem to get Ayton involved.

I mean the Suns were kind of rolling in the 3rd looking good until the exact minute CP3 went out, then the Suns offensive momentum collapsed and suddenly Denver went on a run and climbed right back. CP3 definitely made a difference. But it is what it is... he just can't be relied on to stay healthy, even with the lower usage he's had this year especially once KD arrived.

That being said I think the Nugs aren't a bad defensive team overall, but I do think the Suns supporting cast has been flat out underperforming offensively even by their already low standards which makes Denver's def rating look better. I mean shit, the bench gave them 4 points in that game 2, and it's not like they didn't get open looks. Also the pace has been a bit slow and iso heavy which also affects the def rating.

I will say Aaron Gordon has done about as good of a job as most players could do on KD and when MPJ or joins in and doubles on KD it's quite effective. As far as Booker goes, they've been constantly switching from Murray to KCP to MPJ to Brown trying to find someone to stop Booker and he's cooking all of them alive though. I don't know if it's even their fault or if Book is just playing that out of his mind rn.

Jokic's lack of speed is definitely a liability on defense against a mid range team like Phoenix... luckily he's such an insane player offensively that it way more than makes up for it. I'll never doubt him again.

[highwhey]

I didn't get to see the whole game, but to do what Booker did last night...a 91% TS and score 47 points on only 2 free throws, on paper, is one of the most impressive offensive games in playoff history from a purely numbers perspective.

and those free throws only came in the last 7 seconds of the game as intentional foul since denver wanted to slow down the clock. kind of a pitiful the refs didn't call any fouls for book the entire game when he was being slapped on every shot and shoved on every drive.

[ArbitraryWater]

Im the only one who dared to say hes as good as Kobe.


I own all you retards.

[tontoz]

Eh maybe not 30 but I definitely could see an extra 15-20. CP3 finished with the highest +/- on the team for a reason. Once he went out, more bench minutes were given to guys who clearly weren't expecting to play and not ready for prime time. Cam Payne shot like 1-7 and Damion Lee went 0-5. And the offensive game plan in general went down the shitter. Not to mention CP3 is the only dude who can seem to get Ayton involved.

I mean the Suns were kind of rolling in the 3rd looking good until the exact minute CP3 went out, then the Suns offensive momentum collapsed and suddenly Denver went on a run and climbed right back. CP3 definitely made a difference. But it is what it is... he just can't be relied on to stay healthy, even with the lower usage he's had this year especially once KD arrived.

That being said I think the Nugs aren't a bad defensive team overall, but I do think the Suns supporting cast has been flat out underperforming offensively even by their already low standards which makes Denver's def rating look better. I mean shit, the bench gave them 4 points in that game 2, and it's not like they didn't get open looks. Also the pace has been a bit slow and iso heavy which also affects the def rating.

I will say Aaron Gordon has done about as good of a job as most players could do on KD and when MPJ or joins in and doubles on KD it's quite effective. As far as Booker goes, they've been constantly switching from Murray to KCP to MPJ to Brown trying to find someone to stop Booker and he's cooking all of them alive though. I don't know if it's even their fault or if Book is just playing that out of his mind rn.

Jokic's lack of speed is definitely a liability on defense against a mid range team like Phoenix... luckily he's such an insane player offensively that it way more than makes up for it. I'll never doubt him again.

So Paul playing another 10-13 minutes would have made them score another 15-20 points?

:oldlol:

CP3 played in the 4th quarter of game 1. How did that work out?

[ArbitraryWater]

Just watched the highlights. Booker is an absolute masterclass throwback midrange player. His dribble setups, footwork, fakes and feigns to set these shots up are next level. Can't believe he shot on 20-25... that's nuts.

where is your thread about the playoffs showing us who the real stars are?

[tontoz]

where is your thread about the playoffs showing us who the real stars are?

Get real Booker is OK but not on AD's level.









Sorry i couldn't resist :lol

[ArbitraryWater]

Get real Booker is OK but not on AD's level.









Sorry i couldn't resist :lol

:lol

but srsly where is that thread

[wagexslave]

So Paul playing another 10-13 minutes would have made them score another 15-20 points?

:oldlol:

CP3 played in the 4th quarter of game 1. How did that work out?

Obviously game 1 was a whole different game lol wtf. At least I made some valid points. Wtf does game 1 have to do with game 2? They didn't even play out remotely similar.

In case you didn't watch, in game 1 Denver got hot and built a big lead right before halftime and the whole 2nd half was just Denver maintaining with good overall team-wide shooting until the Suns eventually gave up and took the starters out.

[tpols]

Once Chris Paul went out, more bench minutes were given to guys who clearly weren't expecting to play and not ready for prime time. Cam Payne shot like 1-7 and Damion Lee went 0-5. And the offensive game plan in general went down the shitter. Not to mention CP3 is the only dude who can seem to get Ayton involved.

I mean the Suns were kind of rolling in the 3rd looking good until the exact minute CP3 went out then the Suns offensive momentum collapsed and suddenly Denver went on a run and climbed right back. CP3 definitely made a difference. But


Tontoz is not going to understand the context because he didn't watch the game. Not much else to it.

Respect to Booker though. It's refreshing to see a star dominate the midrange game and not just spam 3s or flop on drives.

[ArbitraryWater]

Tontoz is not going to understand the context because he didn't watch the game. Not much else to it.

Respect to Booker though. It's refreshing to see a star dominate the midrange game and not just spam 3s or flop on drives.


nice but where is your thread on playoff stars?

[tontoz]

Obviously game 1 was a whole different game lol wtf. At least I made some valid points. Wtf does game 1 have to do with game 2? They didn't even play out remotely similar.

In case you didn't watch, in game 1 Denver got hot and built a big lead right before halftime and the whole 2nd half was just Denver maintaining with good overall team-wide shooting until the Suns eventually gave up and took the starters out.

Think about what you are claiming. You are claiming that a washed 37 yr old CP3 playing another 10-13 minutes in the mile high air would mean an additional 15-20 points. Do you not realize how crazy though sounds?

They scored 42 points total in the first half. :oldlol:

[Wally450]

Didn't watch the game so feel free to call me ignorant but if it takes Booker shooting 20/25 from the field to barely win a game, how do the Suns win the series?

I was thinking the same thing. Outside of him and Durant, no one else did anything.

[tontoz]

Tontoz is not going to understand the context because he didn't watch the game. Not much else to it.

Respect to Booker though. It's refreshing to see a star dominate the midrange game and not just spam 3s or flop on drives.


I did watch the game. They scored 42 points in the first half with Paul playing. Dat impact :bowdown:

If he played an additional 10-13 minutes in the mile high air he obviously would be more tired than he was in the first half. That's just common sense.

CP3 just isn't that good any more.

[tontoz]

For the record the Suns were up 3 when Paul went out, then they immediately pushed the lead up to 8.

[highwhey]

I was thinking the same thing. Outside of him and Durant, no one else did anything.

umm yeah they did. relatively speaking that is. 22pts from the bench last night...compared to 4 points in game 2. no, that is not a typo. difference is the dumbass suns coach finally reached deep into his bench to play them. his dumbass stays playing landry shamet that is turnover prone, can't hit shots and is playing horrible basketball overall.

and people think this isn't sustainable...durant shooting 30% fg and 20%from 3pt isn't typical. if durant hit his usual numbers, it would have been a blowout. now that they got the bench involved and they figured out that pushing the pace is the achilles heel for the nuggets, they have a chance. won't be pretty, won't be easy...but it's a dogfight and we have maverick (devin booker).

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[highwhey]

For the record the Suns were up 3 when Paul went out, then they immediately pushed the lead up to 8.

in this particular series, payne is the better pg because he is much faster. paul slows down the suns. but overall i'd still take a healthy cp3, just not in this series. nuggets aren't good at defending a fast paced offense.

[tontoz]

umm yeah they did. relatively speaking that is. 22pts from the bench last night...compared to 4 points in game 2. no, that is not a typo. difference is the dumbass suns coach finally reached deep into his bench to play them. his dumbass stays playing landry shamet that is turnover prone, can't hit shots and is playing horrible basketball overall.

and people think this isn't sustainable...durant shooting 30% fg and 20%from 3pt isn't typical. if durant hit his usual numbers, it would have been a blowout. now that they got the bench involved and they figured out that pushing the pace is the achilles heel for the nuggets, they have a chance. won't be pretty, won't be easy...but it's a dogfight and we have maverick (devin booker).

https://media.tenor.com/lNwo_J9nGOMAAAAC/top-gun-cobra.gif


Pushing the pace isn't a good idea when Durant/Booker are playing over 40 minutes per game. :oldlol:

They can do that when they have 3 days rest before the game. With only 1 day of rest, different story.

[highwhey]

Pushing the pace isn't a good idea when Durant/Booker are playing over 40 minutes per game. :oldlol:

They can do that when they have 3 days rest before the game. With only 1 day of rest, different story.

hence the reference. in the movie, they are using an f-14 against a 5th gen fighter. odds are stacked against the suns still...but they have found a weakness to attack.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HF-saeywhcs

[dazzer87]

And plays zero defense……:sleeping

[highwhey]

imagine being jelous that a 26 year old is already better than any version of kobe. his defense is good, but i guess coping mechanisms.

[ImKobe]

imagine being jelous that a 26 year old is already better than any version of kobe. his defense is good, but i guess coping mechanisms.

How are you down 1 - 2 with a player better than peak Kobe, with KD on his squad? lol

[SaltyMeatballs]

Playoff Booker is most definitely a thing

[ImKobe]

Im the only one who dared to say hes as good as Kobe.


I own all you retards.

He's not. KB is a taller version who plays better D and has even a deeper bag. Don't let the numbers fool you vs. these weak ass defenses (Clips no PG & Kawhi, Nuggets bottom 10 defense) in an era that's breaking all-time scoring/ORTG records every year.

[FKAri]

He's a guy who's clearly watched Kobe tape and some of his motions are reminiscent of Kobe. It doesn't mean his game is like Kobe or he's the next Kobe. And no he's not as good as Kobe. Prime Kobe would be the best player in the league in 2023.

[RRR3]

He's a guy who's clearly watched Kobe tape and some of his motions are reminiscent of Kobe. It doesn't mean his game is like Kobe or he's the next Kobe. And no he's not as good as Kobe. Prime Kobe would be the best player in the league in 2023.
Kobe is absolutely not better than Steph Curry who is still in his prime.

[ImKobe]

Kobe is absolutely not better than Steph Curry who is still in his prime.

https://media.tenor.com/hI0X09h4MzEAAAAC/kobe-bryant-black-mamba.gif

[RRR3]

https://media.tenor.com/hI0X09h4MzEAAAAC/kobe-bryant-black-mamba.gif
You can’t even argue it like you usually do just had to resort to gifs. Sad.

[highwhey]

He's not. KB is a taller version who plays better D and has even a deeper bag. Don't let the numbers fool you vs. these weak ass defenses (Clips no PG & Kawhi, Nuggets bottom 10 defense) in an era that's breaking all-time scoring/ORTG records every year.

wow, you are very concise with your ignorance. in one sentence you managed to pack in so many false narratives.

book is the same height as kb, and very strong. he has a nice post up game. speaking about his bag, he has EVERYTHING. i know you're probably too busy watching the kardashians or whatever BS reality show you mouthbreathers in LA watch, but if you watch even a game, you'd realize Book is one of the most prolific scorers in the league. friday night he scored from everywhere and in every way possible.

[highwhey]

How are you down 1 - 2 with a player better than peak Kobe, with KD on his squad? lol

same way kobe ain't win a title his first year with shaq. OUCH.


imagine expecting booker to win a title with a depleted bench and KD after only playing 14 games together

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[highwhey]

He's a guy who's clearly watched Kobe tape and some of his motions are reminiscent of Kobe. It doesn't mean his game is like Kobe or he's the next Kobe. And no he's not as good as Kobe. Prime Kobe would be the best player in the league in 2023.

i'm sure he would, with his 32% 3pt shooting and 44% FG shooting while averaging 5 turnovers a game and 4 assists a game :oldlol:

[ImKobe]

wow, you are very concise with your ignorance. in one sentence you managed to pack in so many false narratives.

book is the same height as kb, and very strong. he has a nice post up game. speaking about his bag, he has EVERYTHING. i know you're probably too busy watching the kardashians or whatever BS reality show you mouthbreathers in LA watch, but if you watch even a game, you'd realize Book is one of the most prolific scorers in the league. friday night he scored from everywhere and in every way possible.


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KB was clearly a taller guy and he also had about 3 extra inches in wingspan.

Booker is a talented dude and benefits from the the lack of defense in today's league which has him putting up ridiculous numbers. I love his game but you don't have to disrespect one of the GOATs to give Booker props for his play in these POs.

[ImKobe]

You can’t even argue it like you usually do just had to resort to gifs. Sad.

There's nothing to argue lol. Steph's numbers in his prime aren't better than KB's in the POs and he's playing in an era where it's easier to score points. You can talk about Steph's gravity all you want but KB commanded that respect in the late 2000s as well and still put up 30 a game in the POs in a slower era with less spacing.

Steph's scoring numbers didn't really increase and his efficiency took a huge hit in the POs during most of his prime years. This is the first time he's sniffed 30 ppg in the Playoffs and it's because he played a horrible defensive team in the 1st round and both the Kings & Lakers are moving the ball at a ridiculous pace (5-10% difference from the pace the Lakers played at in the late 2000s in RS & POs) compared to what we saw during KB's prime. When you look at prime Kobe in the late 2000s ('08-'10), his ppg increased by almost 3 points while shooting a higher TS% in the POs than the RS despite the added volume. Steph's scoring during his prime years (15-19) barely increased in the POs while his efficiency numbers took a massive hit.

You factor all that in + KB's defense and there's no argument for Steph if we're just comparing them as players and how they performed in their prime, and you can make the dumb "FMVP & rangz" argument which favors KB since you love using the FMVP thing for Bran every chance that you get.

[aj1987]

There's nothing to argue lol. Steph's numbers in his prime aren't better than KB's in the POs and he's playing in an era where it's easier to score points. You can talk about Steph's gravity all you want but KB commanded that respect in the late 2000s as well and still put up 30 a game in the POs in a slower era with less spacing.

27/5/6 on 61% TS% isn't better than 29/6/5 on 55% TS%?

BTW, those are Curry's career numbers vs Kobe's absolute prime ('01-'10). If we take Curry's numbers from '15, then his PPG and TS% go up by one point each. :lol:

Also, are you really comparing Steph's and Kobe's gravity? :facepalm

[ImKobe]

27/5/6 on 61% TS% isn't better than 29/6/5 on 55% TS%?

BTW, those are Curry's career numbers vs Kobe's absolute prime ('01-'10). If we take Curry's numbers from '15, then his PPG and TS% go up by one point each. :lol:

Also, are you really comparing Steph's and Kobe's gravity? :facepalm

He averaged 30/6/6 on ~57%TS in '08-'10 Playoffs.

If we do Steph's best 3-year stretch in his absolute prime ('16-'18 Playoffs) he averaged 27/6/6 on ~62%TS in the Playoffs.

Difference here is that KB increased his scoring & efficiency while Steph's scoring essentially stayed the same despite added volume, while his TS% dropped by almost 4% in the Playoffs.

Also note that it's easier to score in today's era and the Warriors played at a significantly higher pace and vs. worse defenses.

Kobe constantly got double-teamed & made plays for his teammates and also played off-ball a lot where he would catch & shoot, which is why his shots are assisted at a similar rate (his shots ast% is higher for his career in both RS & POs) to Curry's despite the myth about him being a ballhog throughout his career.

[aj1987]

He averaged 30/6/6 on ~57%TS in '08-'10 Playoffs.

If we do Steph's best 3-year stretch in his absolute prime ('16-'18 Playoffs) he averaged 27/6/6 on ~62%TS in the Playoffs.

Difference here is that KB increased his scoring & efficiency while Steph's scoring essentially stayed the same despite added volume, while his TS% dropped by almost 4% in the Playoffs.

Also note that it's easier to score in today's era and the Warriors played at a significantly higher pace and vs. worse defenses.

Kobe constantly got double-teamed & made plays for his teammates and also played off-ball a lot where he would catch & shoot, which is why his shots are assisted at a similar rate (his shots ast% is higher for his career in both RS & POs) to Curry's despite the myth about him being a ballhog throughout his career.

They way you cherry pick is actually quite impressive. No matter how much you cherry pick or cry, it won't make what I say not factual.

Kobe's defensive coverage vs Curry's, is not even worth a discussion. Curry is also one of the GOAT off-ball players.

[StrongLurk]

Booker is a legit superstar, it can't be denied at this point. Same thing with Jimmy Butler.

Anyone who disagrees doesn't know basketball.

I just don't like Booker, his demeanor is really unenjoyable.

[highwhey]

Booker is a legit superstar, it can't be denied at this point. Same thing with Jimmy Butler.

Anyone who disagrees doesn't know basketball.

I just don't like Booker, his demeanor is really unenjoyable.

people still think of booker as a zach lavine type player where he is one-dimensional. yet he's had really good defensive games, chase down blocks, has taken over offensively through playmaking, shooting and driving to the basket all while playing along KD. imagine thinking he's a one dimensional scorer while he's playing point guard and leading in scoring in the playoffs next to one of the best scorers of all time. and doing it on insane efficiency.

[ArbitraryWater]

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KB was clearly a taller guy and he also had about 3 extra inches in wingspan.

Booker is a talented dude and benefits from the the lack of defense in today's league which has him putting up ridiculous numbers. I love his game but you don't have to disrespect one of the GOATs to give Booker props for his play in these POs.


https://cdn.nba.com/teams/legacy/www.nba.com/suns/sites/suns/files/kobebook777take2.jpg

maybe an inch taller


all you can resort to saying kobe was better is "defenses today!"

look at the shit defenses in 06 which resulted in anamolies for everyone, thats how kobe got his peak numbers.

[ImKobe]

look at the shit defenses in 06 which resulted in anamolies for everyone, thats how kobe got his peak numbers.



Well the scoring increase in today's NBA plays a part in the numbers, right? Teams average 4% higher TS% now compared to 2010 and 6.3% higher compared to 2001, and the Pace average has gone from 92.7 in 2010 to 99.1 in today's NBA. Why would I not take those things into account?

And yes, the scoring did increase in the mid-2000s due to rule changes, which is why I've always told you that you can't compare the TS% & scoring numbers, especially from perimeter players, in the early 2000s to the rest of that decade & beyond because it was that much harder to score, yet KB still had some great seasons and a title run averaging 29/7/6 55.5%TS (league average was 51.8%) on a 15 - 1 team at 22 years old.

[aj1987]

Well the scoring increase in today's NBA plays a part in the numbers, right? Teams average 4% higher TS% now compared to 2010 and 6.3% higher compared to 2001, and the Pace average has gone from 92.7 in 2010 to 99.1 in today's NBA. Why would I not take those things into account?

And yes, the scoring did increase in the mid-2000s due to rule changes, which is why I've always told you that you can't compare the TS% & scoring numbers, especially from perimeter players, in the early 2000s to the rest of that decade & beyond because it was that much harder to score, yet KB still had some great seasons and a title run averaging 29/7/6 55.5%TS (league average was 51.8%) on a 15 - 1 team at 22 years old.

Even if you reduce LeBron's numbers by 4% (efficiency) or 6% (scoring), his numbers still take a massive shit on Kobe's.

[ImKobe]

Even if you reduce LeBron's numbers by 4% (efficiency) or 6% (scoring), his numbers still take a massive shit on Kobe's.

They didn't play the same opponents and were not defended the same way at all.

[warriorfan]

27/5/6 on 61% TS% isn't better than 29/6/5 on 55% TS%?

BTW, those are Curry's career numbers vs Kobe's absolute prime ('01-'10). If we take Curry's numbers from '15, then his PPG and TS% go up by one point each. :lol:

Also, are you really comparing Steph's and Kobe's gravity? :facepalm

Do you understand era differences?

[aj1987]

Do you understand era differences?

So, you're saying Curry would be shit in the '00's and '90's? Gotcha, 3ball.


They didn't play the same opponents and were not defended the same way at all.

Yep. LeBron played significantly better competition than Kobe ever did and still, his numbers take a massive shit on Kobe's. :cheers:

[warriorfan]

So, you're saying Curry would be shit in the '00's and '90's? Gotcha, 3ball.



Yep. LeBron played significantly better competition than Kobe ever did and still, his numbers take a massive shit on Kobe's. :cheers:

No, but his numbers definitely wouldn’t look the same.

You are being either low iq or disingenuous when making cross era comparisons like that.

[DMAVS41]

No, but his numbers definitely wouldn’t look the same.

You are being either low iq or disingenuous when making cross era comparisons like that.

For sure.

However, I've made this point before...Ray Allen did 22 ppg on 58% TS from 00-04....17 shots a game. Even in the hardest defensive years in the modern era...if Ray Allen took 2 more total shots per game...and upped his 3's from roughly 7 to roughly 10 a game...I'd imagine he averages like 25 on 59% TS.

Curry, who I think is a significantly better player...has done roughly 27 ppg on 64% TS for his prime and roughly 27 ppg and 61% TS in the playoffs. Would the efficiency dip? Yea, for sure...but I'd imagine something like 26 ppg on 60% TS would be the floor.

[tontoz]

people still think of booker as a zach lavine type player where he is one-dimensional. yet he's had really good defensive games, chase down blocks, has taken over offensively through playmaking, shooting and driving to the basket all while playing along KD. imagine thinking he's a one dimensional scorer while he's playing point guard and leading in scoring in the playoffs next to one of the best scorers of all time. and doing it on insane efficiency.


Who is saying that other than trolls or idiots? He showed far more than that prior to this season.

In the playoffs he is in video game territory. He is currently leading the playoffs in ppg and TS which is practically impossible.

[dankok8]

Modern players are facing far worse defenses and playing at a much faster pace. It's so much easier to put up numbers that it's not even funny.

Of course what Book is doing is still very impressive...

[aj1987]

No, but his numbers definitely wouldn’t look the same.

You are being either low iq or disingenuous when making cross era comparisons like that.

Why? We've had insane numbers in the past as well. Some, significantly better than anything that we see today.

[hold this L]

For sure.

However, I've made this point before...Ray Allen did 22 ppg on 58% TS from 00-04....17 shots a game. Even in the hardest defensive years in the modern era...if Ray Allen took 2 more total shots per game...and upped his 3's from roughly 7 to roughly 10 a game...I'd imagine he averages like 25 on 59% TS.

Curry, who I think is a significantly better player...has done roughly 27 ppg on 64% TS for his prime and roughly 27 ppg and 61% TS in the playoffs. Would the efficiency dip? Yea, for sure...but I'd imagine something like 26 ppg on 60% TS would be the floor.
People always assume Steph's numbers would drop because of tougher defenses. Teams didn't know how to defend the 3 point line in that magical scenario. Players would subconsciously give him all the space in the world until he would start driving. It might take two full seasons for the entire league to kind of adjust. If you put him there, he would break the game.

That's why it's difficult to copy and paste players from different eras.