LeBron will never be top 5

[2ball]

LeBron's game isn't top 5 due to weak jumpshooting skill and ball movement, which results in weak fits with various player types and a low ceiling on team offense.. ultimately, the overall team ceiling is lower - 0.400 teams on the championship level... aka the "clippers of the Finals"

For example, his Heat and Cavs super-teams should've been 70-win juggernauts, but his playground brand reduced them to longshot underdogs in nearly every Finals.

Ultimately, when you opt to cheat over compete, that's worthy of a banishment of sorts - and he isn't SO outstanding (significant holes to his game and resume) that he requires top 5 no matter what (regardless of the cheating)

So there's nothing he can do except the following miracle:

win a ring in a fashion that shows your holes (jumpshooting skill, ball movement) are fixed and now elite/all-time.. so basically impossible.

[warriorfan]

https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/warriors/steph-curry-could-replace-lebron-nba-mt-rushmore-stephen-smith-says


Bron is getting knocked off his Mount Rushmore

SAS is a low key bron stan too. He’s still not close to top 5 with more knowledged basketball guys.

[TheMan]

Wassup 3ball...I would argue that Bran does have arguments to be top 5. Best ever though? Lol, no.

[warriorfan]

Love stats Pre-LeBron - 26/13/2/59% TS

Bosh stats Pre-LeBron - 24/11/2/59% TS

Pau stats Pre-Kobe - 19/8/3/59% TS

It's safe to say that Kevin Love and Chris Bosh were better than Pau Gasol before they joined with their new teams

LeBron needed Bosh and Love as third options when he won

Kobe had Paul Gasol as a second option when he won

[Axe]

Stupid dumbocrats.

[Phoenix]

How is 'the Clippers of the finals' a thing when they've never made the finals?

[1987_Lakers]

Only a retard would have Curry ranked ahead of LeBron, even if Curry gets his 5th ring this year. Imagine if LeBron won 2 of his rings playing next to peak KD, and didn't FMVP in any of those title runs. This board would roast him non stop.

[tpols]

Only a retard would have Curry ranked ahead of LeBron, even if Curry gets his 5th ring this year. Imagine if LeBron won 2 of his rings playing next to peak KD, and didn't FMVP in any of those title runs. This board would roast him non stop.

Lebron won 3/4 of his rings with Wade and AD which is even worse. Imagine him winning with Wiggins as 2nd option.

What makes the comparison lopsided though is Curry never lost with KD while lebron lost with prime / peak Wade.

[3ba11]

How is 'the Clippers of the finals' a thing when they've never made the finals?

The Clippers are widely considered the worst regular season team ever, so being the "clippers of the Finals" means that your skillset yields the worst teams in Finals history (worst-ever record in Finals history for 3-point era)

Btw, everyone laughed when I said Curry is top 5 all-time along with other expert jumpshooters (the skillset that needs the least help).. Now Stephen A is saying Curry will be top 5 too, aka after the fact

[1987_Lakers]

Imagine him winning with Wiggins as 2nd option.

That was basically the case in 2013, except Wade wasn't locking down people like Wiggins was.

[tpols]

That was basically the case in 2013, except Wade wasn't locking down people like Wiggins was.

If you want to compare Wade to Wiggins as talents you've obviously lost your basketball mind. :oldlol:

Fit and chemistry matter.

[3ba11]

That was basically the case in 2013, except Wade wasn't locking down people like Wiggins was.


Lebron always needed all-timers at sidekick and no one needed to do much because the 13' Heat were a stacked super-team with 3 first options - Lebron only needed 25 ppg and Wade 20 in the Finals - neither guy needed to produce at an elite level to win the diluted East or beat the West

[1987_Lakers]

no one had to do much because the 13' Heat were a stacked super-team with 3 first options - Lebron only needed 25 ppg and Wade 20 in the Finals - neither guy needed to produce at an elite level to win the diluted East or beat the West

You called LeBron the GOAT in another forum in 2013.

[1987_Lakers]

If you want to compare Wade to Wiggins as talents you've obviously lost your basketball mind. :oldlol:

Fit and chemistry matter.

'13 playoff Wade & '22 playoff Wiggins were pretty much identical in production. Wade was the better playmaker of the two while Wiggins' defense was better.

[Spurs m8]

Apart from longevity stats, including most turnovers EVER, I fail to see how he's even top 10.

Anyone?

[1987_Lakers]

Apart from longevity stats, including most turnovers EVER, I fail to see how he's even top 10.

Anyone?

You fail to see it because you're a retard. I've been posting here for years and I've yet to hear you say anything insightful. It's quite embarrassing.

[3ba11]

You called LeBron the GOAT in another forum in 2013.


I never did but people lie so they can say that I fell for the fraud TOO... right? isn't that it?.. .you want to show that I fell for this beta, meltdown machine too.. Soon you'll claim that you never liked Lebron that much and never thought he was that good..

These Lakers would be a dominant favorite if Lebron could average 30 off-ball, which would allow everyone else to still play to capacity like Reaves, Hachimura, AD, and D-Lo - but instead, Lebron can only average 22 ppg off-ball in a wide open beginner format, so the Lakers are whimperinig underdogs like all of Lebron's teams.. Normally, it's his ball-dominance that yields a weaker brand and team, but this time it's his inability to dominate off-ball

[1987_Lakers]

I never did but people lie so they can say that I fell for the fraud TOO..

There is evidence that you did. 8ball posted it here. No matter how much you lie about it. We all know you did.

[3ba11]

There is evidence that you did. 8ball posted it here. No matter how much you lie about it. We all know you did.


There's no "evidence"

You're just a dumb liar that fell for a fraud

You actually thought Lebron was the greatest player of all time

[Phoenix]

The Clippers are widely considered the worst regular season team ever, so being the "clippers of the Finals" means that your skillset yields the worst teams in Finals history (worst-ever record in Finals history for 3-point era)

Btw, everyone laughed when I said Curry is top 5 all-time along with other expert jumpshooters (the skillset that needs the least help).. Now Stephen A is saying Curry will be top 5 too, aka after the fact

That's still a dumb analogy.

Btw, we also laughed when you said he was the most overrated player ever in the 2021 off-season, then called him a top 10 GOAT at the start of the 2022 season without him doing anything to add to his legacy to change the original retarded take.

https://i.postimg.cc/HLPJdt1m/3nutball3.gif

[1987_Lakers]

https://i.ibb.co/XCD6m9n/3-Ball-Le-Bron-is-the-GOAT.png

[3ba11]

That's still a dumb analogy.

Btw, we also laughed when you said he was the most overrated player ever in the 2021 off-season, then called him a top 10 GOAT at the start of the 2022 season without him doing anything to add to his legacy to change the original retarded take.

https://i.postimg.cc/HLPJdt1m/3nutball3.gif


You guys laughed when I said he was top 5

Now he's headed for top 5

So you were wrong and your childish cartoons signal your embarassment

I warned of the attrition battle, and now Shannon Sharpe does too - you guys are just way behind - accept it and change your mindset to one that's willing to learn

[FKAri]

This 3ball isn't the real/original 3ball. It's a troll posting as a gimmick. But the original was a moron too so nothing's really changed.

[Spurs m8]

There's no "evidence"

You're just a dumb liar that fell for a fraud

You actually thought Lebron was the greatest player of all time

He's certainly a dumb liar, you got that part right

[1987_Lakers]

You guys laughed when I said he was top 5

Now he's headed for top 5

So you were wrong and your childish cartoons signal your embarassment

You literally called Curry a spot up shooter in 2021. You've never even watched him play.

[Phoenix]

You guys laughed when I said he was top 5

Now he's headed for top 5

So you were wrong and your childish cartoons signal your embarassment

No, we laughed when you said he was the most overrated player ever. We then laughed at you calling him top 5 less so because of the claim, and moreso of the absurdity of such a 180 degree turn. You're an idiot.

https://i.postimg.cc/44Y4VV6C/3nutball1.gif

[Phoenix]

This 3ball isn't the real/original 3ball. It's a troll posting as a gimmick. But the original was a moron too so nothing's really changed.

It's one of the admins.

[3ba11]

https://i.ibb.co/XCD6m9n/3-Ball-Le-Bron-is-the-GOAT.png


That's a childlike, fake post and the mods didn't make it say Lebron was goat - they knew how ridiculous it was and couldn't come out and say it.

Lebron stacked his teams for over a decade and still couldn't get anywhere near Jordan's winning.. Lebron is a 1/4 guy - he's 1/4 with AD, Love or Wade (except the Ray Allen miracle), so 20 years of longevity confirms that he isn't capable of a dynasty, 3-peat or 6 chips with any lineup, aka objectively inferior to MJ

[1987_Lakers]

Dude now saying his 2013 post was edited by mods.

:roll:

[MrFonzworth]

It's one of the admins.

Nope its AirBoner/GrayGoat, the biggest freak on the forum since Simon left

[3ba11]

This 3ball isn't the real/original 3ball. It's a troll posting as a gimmick. But the original was a moron too so nothing's really changed.


I warned you against the media indoctrination of this fake goat debate.

But instead of thanking me for saving you from being a moron that thinks Lebron is GOAT, you're infact calling me moron for calling it out a decade in advance

[k0kakw0rld]

LeBron's game isn't top 5 due to weak jumpshooting skill and ball movement, which results in weak fits with various player types and a low ceiling on team offense.. ultimately, the overall team ceiling is lower - 0.400 teams on the championship level... aka the "clippers of the Finals"

For example, his Heat and Cavs super-teams should've been 70-win juggernauts, but his playground brand reduced them to longshot underdogs in nearly every Finals.

Ultimately, when you opt to cheat over compete, that's worthy of a banishment of sorts - and he isn't SO outstanding (significant holes to his game and resume) that he requires top 5 no matter what (regardless of the cheating)

So there's nothing he can do except the following miracle:

win a ring in a fashion that shows your holes (jumpshooting skill, ball movement) are fixed and now elite/all-time.. so basically impossible.
Stfu moron

[3ba11]

Dude now saying his 2013 post was edited by mods.

:roll:


That's what I said the whole time - look at the childlike language and how they tried to include every single point in there, aka he faced better comp, better prime, better everything.. it's absurd

[1987_Lakers]

That's what I said the whole time - look at the childlike language and how they tried to include every single point in there, aka he faced better comp, better prime, better everything.. it's absurd

It's more absurd saying your 2013 post was edited by a mod. You made the post. Deal with it.

[3ba11]

It's more absurd saying your 2013 post was edited by a mod. You made the post. Deal with it.


I didn't. Deal with it

You guys should be embarassed that you hated what I was saying so much that you would go to such lengths to ban me and make fake posts and handles about me for a decade - look at the OP - case in point..

The mods are even worse.. They've actually taken over the original 3ball account and make fake posts from time to time on it to pretend it's me.. for example, they pretended I was melting down during Lebron's record-breaking game to break Kareem's record..

TLDR: there's much more evidence that the post was edited and it's fake, than otherwise.

[Phoenix]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?497707-Top-50-All-Time-List-Shot-Clock-Era-12

Post #12, where I proposed that Curry was the 12th ranked player alltime while 3nutball was frothing from the mouth off his meds that Curry was the most overrated player ever. He ended up being voted 12th and then he went on win the title and finals MVP.

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/WetFirstGermanwirehairedpointer-max-1mb.gif

[3ba11]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?497707-Top-50-All-Time-List-Shot-Clock-Era-12

Post #12, where I proposed that Curry was the 12th ranked player alltime while 3nutball was frothing from the mouth off his meds that Curry was the most overrated player ever. He ended up being voted 12th and then he went on win the title and finals MVP.

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/AgedBestChuckwalla-size_restricted.gif


Yes the rankings have always been fluid - that isn't post-worthy

The record shows that I made Curry top 5 in 2021, which was a full 2 years before everyone else is doing this year.

I was 2 years ahead of everyone because I understood the best skillset that wins with the least help (expert jumpshooters) - Curry helped me see this light and my all-time rankings since my turnaround on Curry have been pretty consistent.

[Phoenix]

Yes the rankings have always been fluid - that isn't post-worthy

The record shows that I made Curry top 5 in 2021, which was a full 2 years before everyone else is doing this year.

I was 2 years ahead of everyone because I understood the best skillset that wins with the least help (expert jumpshooters) - Curry helped me see this light and my all-time rankings since my turnaround on Curry have been pretty consistent.

Yeah, no. You made a dumb take and tried to pivot with the 'Curry proved me wrong' bullshit. You weren't 2 years ahead of anyone. When I, and subsequently ISH, voted Curry was the 12th GOAT BEFORE he won the chip/finals MVP in 2022, this was the image of you saying Curry was the most overrated ever IN THE SAME TIME PERIOD:

https://media.tenor.com/n0HtTh9xN-MAAAAM/rocking-scared.gif

We have the receipts when you said what you said.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?493318-Curry-is-the-most-overrated-player-in-history

You created this in May 2021. Curry was voted 12th by insidehoops Sept 2021. You lose.

[Full Court]

Only a retard would have Curry ranked ahead of LeBron, even if Curry gets his 5th ring this year. Imagine if LeBron won 2 of his rings playing next to peak KD, and didn't FMVP in any of those title runs. This board would roast him non stop.

So you're not going to count Curry's rings, but you'll say nothing about Bronie playing next to peak Wade and AD. :roll:

Loooowwwwwwwwwwwww IQ.

[Full Court]

OP is right. LeShrivel's chance at top 5 flew away in 2011.

Truth hurts.

[ELITEpower23]

*yawn*

Let me know when ANYONE passes The King in playoff or regular season points.

[ELITEpower23]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?497707-Top-50-All-Time-List-Shot-Clock-Era-12

Post #12, where I proposed that Curry was the 12th ranked player alltime while 3nutball was frothing from the mouth off his meds that Curry was the most overrated player ever. He ended up being voted 12th and then he went on win the title and finals MVP.

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/WetFirstGermanwirehairedpointer-max-1mb.gif

:lol

F a t a l i t y

[John8204]

Apart from longevity stats, including most turnovers EVER, I fail to see how he's even top 10.

Anyone?

They once said of Ricky Henderson that he was such a great ballplayer that he was a Hall of Famer if you cut his career in half.

Well Lebron is a 4-time Hall of famer. He came into the league and led a basement dwelling Cav's teams to the finals...that puts you in the hall.

He then joined a "super team" that made 4 straight trips to the finals going 2-2 that alone puts you in the Hall.

He then returns to Cleveland goes 4 in 4 again including a comeback against the winningest team in NBA history when they were down 3-1.

And now he's a Laker at the twilight of his career win's a ring has a 30PPG season, leads the league in assists, and becomes Time's athlete of the year....oh and he's now making a run as a 7 seed,

Who are these five or ten players that have a resume that comes close to Lebron?

And the worst thing about this is you don't even bother defending your position. I don't agree with the group all the time but at the very least I'll justify my position. Why are you such a little bitch when it comes to Lebron?

[ELITEpower23]

https://i.postimg.cc/WbnyDtjW/clown_ball_1-9.png

[Overdrive]

Apart from longevity stats, including most turnovers EVER, I fail to see how he's even top 10.

Anyone?

There's 1 player that has more fmvps, 3 with more mvps, 5 with more career ppg, 23 with more career apg - none of the ones higher in ppg are above him in apg.

How could a player that fits these criterias not be top 10? I don't like Lebron, but that's just ridiculous.

[Full Court]

They once said of Ricky Henderson that he was such a great ballplayer that he was a Hall of Famer if you cut his career in half.

Well Lebron is a 4-time Hall of famer. He came into the league and led a basement dwelling Cav's teams to the finals...that puts you in the hall.

He then joined a "super team" that made 4 straight trips to the finals going 2-2 that alone puts you in the Hall.

He then returns to Cleveland goes 4 in 4 again including a comeback against the winningest team in NBA history when they were down 3-1.

And now he's a Laker at the twilight of his career win's a ring has a 30PPG season, leads the league in assists, and becomes Time's athlete of the year....oh and he's now making a run as a 7 seed,

Who are these five or ten players that have a resume that comes close to Lebron?

And the worst thing about this is you don't even bother defending your position. I don't agree with the group all the time but at the very least I'll justify my position. Why are you such a little bitch when it comes to Lebron?

2011 most epic choke job of all time.
22-33 career finals record.
Done more losing than winning.
He's Charles Barkley but with much more stacked teams.


Jordan, Wilt, Russell, Bird, Magic, Kareem, Shaq, Duncan, and Hakeem all had better careers than him.

By time all is said and done, Curry may end up ahead of him too.

[red1]

2011 most epic choke job of all time.
22-33 career finals record.
Done more losing than winning.
He's Charles Barkley but with much more stacked teams.


Jordan, Wilt, Russell, Bird, Magic, Kareem, Shaq, Duncan, and Hakeem all had better careers than him.

By time all is said and done, Curry may end up ahead of him too.

4 finals MVPs


championships on every franchise he played for.



I think he's doing alright :oldlol:

[1987_Lakers]

2011 most epic choke job of all time.
22-33 career finals record.
Done more losing than winning.
He's Charles Barkley but with much more stacked teams.


Jordan, Wilt, Russell, Bird, Magic, Kareem, Shaq, Duncan, and Hakeem all had better careers than him.

By time all is said and done, Curry may end up ahead of him too.

This dude has Wilt top 3 ever despite..

1969 most epic choke job of all time
16-19 Finals record
Done more losing than winning (2 titles which is twice as less than LeBron)

[John8204]

I'm confused which was the most epic choke job of all-time? 1969 or 2011

I have Wilt in my top three
-because he has more unbreakable records in NBA history
-he's the greatest athlete from his era
-he's the best center of all the great centers

Also fairly laughable to say Barkley played with less tallent than Lebron...Barkley played with Moses, Dr. J, Hakeem and Scottie three of those guys are ranked ahead of any player Lebron ever teamed with.

[Johnny32]

Fun facts: Lebron's game score vs the defending champion warriors is currently 18.7. Jordan's game score in the 96 finals vs sea was 18.5.